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Færd

4:21 AM

cleaner

> 1.2 (the cleaners) A shop where clothes and fabrics are dry-cleaned:

> ‘my suit's at the cleaners’

Why, not cleaner’s?!

I smell an anti-apostrophe rat.

Cf: oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/… , macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/dry-cleaner-s

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curiousdannii

7:48 AM

Is this the kind of question we should now be marking as spam? english.stackexchange.com/questions/362502/…

This one seems to be following the same pattern: english.stackexchange.com/questions/362492/…

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Dan Bron

10:25 AM

Did the spam wave that just started seem to start abruptly stop? I hope I didn't let the spammer know we were on to him...

curiousdannii

11:50 AM

@DanBron They're still coming I think

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terdon

12:24 PM

Hmm. . . english.stackexchange.com/q/362528/25030

> I don't know if this sentence is grammatically incorrect or vice versa

Vice versa? So maybe this grammar is sentencically incorrect?

Martin AJ

12:38 PM

Which one is correct?

- X is nothing to do with Y

- X nothing to do with Y

- X has nothing to do with Y

Boris_yo

12:56 PM

Hello there

How was your Black Friday?

Cyber Monday?

US folks.

I need correction about the following:

- "Could you share your impression **about** chair"?
- "Could you share your impression **of** chair"?

Which one is correct? Would it be different if it was spelled like the following?

- Could you share your impression **about** this chair"?
- Could you share your impression **of** this chair"?

terdon

1:12 PM

@MartinAJ That one.

Cerberus

X is to do with is is also possible, but much less frequent.

terdon

@Boris_yo If you're talking about an actual, physical chair, then yes, you need the this. I'd go for "Could you share your impression of this chair"?

Martin AJ

1:27 PM

@terdon thx

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1:59 PM

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Boris_yo

@terdon Thanks.

terdon

You're both welcome.

tchrist

2:37 PM

It's one degree here right now in real money.

That "feels like" sure is comforting.

terdon

2:51 PM

@tchrist The above seems quite close to yours until you notice the different units.

tchrist

@terdon Hence, "real money". :)

Anonymous

3:12 PM

It's 11°C here right now. I'm happy, it's raining! :-)

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Anonymous

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Anonymous

I managed to upload a screen shot from my phone. I like how wunderground has a bunch of untranslated strings mixed in.

Anonymous

I got rained on yesterday too. It was nice.

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Færd

6:29 PM

> It's freakish, is what it is.

> It's none of your business what it is, is what it is.

> that's fires in the mountains and smoke is what it is.

(from COCA)

Is this use of is what it is common in speech?

I mean with the triple use of is.

Anonymous

Common enough. I don't know precisely what you're characterizing as a triple use of is, though.

Færd

> It is freakish, is what it is.

Anonymous

Yeah, but those aren't all the same.

Anonymous

There's only a doubling that's remarkable.

Færd

Yes. The first two.

Anonymous

6:38 PM

On the other hand, there really are triple-is constructions in natural speech.

Anonymous

The thing is is, is that . . .

Færd

Due to stammering?

Anonymous

No.

Robusto

@tchrist: Do you think you could see your way clear to undeleting the following post? I'll allow that it was never on topic, but it had some decent answers and I don't think it deserved deletion.

english.stackexchange.com/q/6147/2303

Færd

So what are those "is"s?

Anonymous

6:39 PM

Arnold Zwicky says that the extris construction cannot be characterized as a dysfluency.

Anonymous

extris < extra is, isis, intrusive be, double is, etc. Lots of names.

Anonymous

I think isis might be out of fashion now as a name for obvious reasons, but you can find it in the literature.

Færd

Ah, OK. I think my examples were different though. There weren't consecutive iss.

Robusto

Well, I've always construed "The problem is, is that ..." as a deletion of "[What] the problem is, is that ..."

That seems like the kindest interpretation.

But I ain't no linguist, so ... I shall leave my $.02 in the poor box and make my getaway.

Færd

That seems to work well.

@snailplane Could you tell me what those iss are doing?

Anonymous

6:43 PM

Nope. I have no idea.

Anonymous

Wait, which ones?

Anonymous

Oh, I see. Nope, no idea :-)

Færd

@snailplane All of them. Do they have distinct functions or it's just simple repetition?

Anonymous

web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/NWAV06.abst.pdf

Færd

Thanks!

Anonymous

6:46 PM

There's a references section there.

Anonymous

casasanto.com/laura/documents/isis_BLS_2006.pdf

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Anonymous

This second link discusses whether it can be considered a dysfluency.

Færd

And it refers to it as ISIS!

Well, thanks again.

Anonymous

Yes, of course this was from before that name was used for ISIL.

Shafizadeh

6:53 PM

Are "going to" and "will" synonymous? anyway, can you please fix following sentence for me? (English perspective)

> I will go to X restaurant tomorrow, who comes with me?

Færd

@Robusto The validity of that interpretation depends on the intonation pattern of the sentence, I guess. If there's a stress on the first is, and a slight pause after it, or something of the sort.

Anonymous

@Shafizadeh They can often both be used. There are a number of differences between them.

Shafizadeh

Really?! I didn't know that

Anonymous

@Shafizadeh I'm going to go to Applebee's tomorrow. Who's coming with me?

Anonymous

(Oh no, Applebee's!)

Shafizadeh

6:57 PM

@snailplane now I'm curious where is "Applebee's" :-)

Anonymous

One of the biggest differences, when both be going to and will can be used futurively, is that be going to has as its first word be, a verb with a complete set of forms.

Anonymous

So be going to can appear in a wider variety of syntactic contexts than will.

Shafizadeh

ah :-)

and can you please make the order of words fix for me in this?

> I'm going to go to Coffe-Time (a free English friendly two-hour community) tommorrow ..

Anonymous

There are lots of other differences.

Shafizadeh

Just tell me are the order of this correct?

> a free English riendly two-hour community

Anonymous

7:01 PM

@Shafizadeh The word order looks fine. I'm not sure what a "two-hour community" is, and it looks like you misspelled Coffee and friendly.

Anonymous

I would write English-friendly.

Anonymous

I think your sentence is understandable, though.

Shafizadeh

yes, friendly was a typo, I've edited it.

and two-hour means that celebration takes 2 hours long

Anonymous

Also tomorrow and the punctuation at the end.

Anonymous

@Shafizadeh Oh, sorry, I should have phrased my response somewhat differently.

terdon

7:03 PM

" two-hour community" isn't very clear. I think you mean something like I'm going to go to Coffee-Time (a free, two hour meeting of an English-friendly community) tomorrow.

Anonymous

There we go :-)

Shafizadeh

great ... yes exactly I meant was this ^^ .. thx @terdon

terdon

You're welcome.

Shafizadeh

@snailplane and thx you :-)

Anonymous

@Færd I think I might link to this site next time the topic comes up: microsyntax.sites.yale.edu/double-is

sumelic

7:06 PM

@Robusto Is it possible to migrate it to Linguistics and merge it with the question there?

Robusto

7:48 PM

@sumelic I'm not sure why it couldn't. Better than having it deleted, I should think.

tchrist

@Robusto Missa est.

Mitch

8:21 PM

@tchrist Alia jacta est

What a mass

Færd

8:41 PM

Is there a reason why we have two suffixes cede and ceed coming from the same Latin root?

I think you will find that history oft supersedes any simplistic rule. — tchrist ♦ Oct 22 '12 at 20:57

Hmm..

Anonymous

@Færd They're suffixes? What can you affix them to?

Anonymous

And are they actually two different thingies, or are they two different spellings of one thingy?

Færd

@snailplane That was a slip-up.

Mitch

@Færd There's a third, '-sede'

Færd

@snailplane Prolly the second.

@Mitch I know a -sede that are from sedere (sit).

Mitch

8:50 PM

proceed - _go_ forward
precede - _go_ before
supersede - _sit_ above

so ceed and cede are basically the same.

-ceed is the 'mis'spelling

Færd

What was the -sede about?

@Mitch Appealing theory!

Mitch

and there's de'cide' - cut off

I feel like there was a week worths of this in 7th grade English when I was a kid

without the latin

@Færd from etymonline it seems clear that the french these were all derived from were consistently '-cede'

Færd

I doubt that they teach kids this kind of nonsense anymore.

Anonymous

But I don't think there's anything strange about ending up with multiple thingies from one root, when it does happen.

Færd

They get to be taught other kinds of nonsense.

Anonymous

8:53 PM

Like glamour, glamour, grammar, and grimoire for example.

Mitch

@snailplane I'm having troble distinguishing the first two

Anonymous

I like thingy as a technical term. Thing whose actual type I have not specified.

Anonymous

@Mitch Can you distinguish the from the?

Færd

@snailplane Yeah. Is it a dumb question to ask where the difference arose from?

Anonymous

What about bear and bear?

Færd

8:56 PM

@Mitch ODO says that's from caedere, which, as you said, means cut.

@snailplane I can't.

Robusto

@tchrist Gracias.

Mitch

@snailplane If I squint.

@snailplane Those are the same in my accent

Færd

BTW, this question

1

Q: Why is "proceed" spelt "-ceed" and not "-cede" like "precede"?

Possible Duplicate: Origins of the “‑cede/‑seed/‑ceed” suffix The pronunciation of proceed is exactly like that of precede with the only difference being the o instead of the e. What rules of the English language dictate that it be spelt with the ending -ceed instead of -cede?

is not at all a dupe of the one mentioned.

Mitch

@snailplane OMG they are manuals of magical incantations! To change how one looks! Transmogrification!

@snailplane but grim, glimmer, clamour, clamber, and enjambement are surprisingly not related.

Færd

I used to make lists of these surprises.

Mitch

9:04 PM

But then it's not a surprise any more.

Færd

Not to me no more, yeah.

But there are always new ones.

Mitch

like why dont people say 'dinder' for the meal they eat in the evening?

Færd

Mmm.. why should they?

Mitch

They say thunder and timber and gender and limber

Færd

And dinner and manner and hammer and bummer.

Mitch

9:07 PM

fambly. some say fambly for family

Færd

Sticky lips.

Mitch

haha

Anonymous

@Mitch Well, they might be pronounced the same way, but aren't they still two separate thingies? Is their independent thingydom in question?

Mitch

well everything is different. those two words were located in two different locations in the sentence, but beyond that...

Matt E. Эллен

I'm not

Cerberus

9:39 PM

Hello.

Has Jasper deleted his account? The starboard has been cleaned up.

Anonymous

@Cerberus Unfortunately, yes.

Anonymous

I hope to see our friend again soon.

Cerberus

Oh, he does so several times a year.

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Mitch

11:11 PM

@MattE.Эллен Oh you.

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