English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

4:01 PM

If I change my email in the edit profile page, what exactly am I changing? Does that also change the email with which I login?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think it is only about healthcare costs. But I think longer lives are more expensive, because the most expensive part is cut off for smokers. In addition, they pay huge amounts of taxes on tobacco.

@Robusto It's just to counter the cost argument. It's basically less relevant, the financial costs, as opposed to the social cost of people dying.

terdon

@Alraxite No. That's only the email that stackexchange can use to contact you. Your OpenID email is separate.

Alraxite

@terdon Oh, OK. Thanks...

I just tried removing my email.

It worked.

Except now I have a horrible gravatar.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Alraxite you can upload a photo

Alraxite

I know. But I wanted it to be the old fashioned way.

Cerberus

4:07 PM

@Robusto Except that smoking makes you die from less expensive diseases, they say, on average. Like heart attacks.

Alraxite

Now I have to read up all the MSE posts to understand how gravatars work.

Damnit.

Cerberus

So the last two years of a smoker's life are less expensive than the last two years of a non-smoker, on average.

Johan Larsson

get a real pic if you are a chat reg imo, hard to remember default gravatars

tchrist

Purple is the best.

Alraxite

@JohanLarsson thanks. I might have to resort to uploading that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:13 PM

@Alraxite Your gravatar is generated based on some random factors including your email address. Or you can upload an image to gravatar.com if you have an email address; it will automagically appear. Or you can upload an image to SE and skip gravatar.

KitFox

I gorged myself for lunch.

Robusto

@Cerberus Hey, while you're here . . . what are the formulaic tropes like "wine-dark sea" and "rose-fingered dawn" in Greek called? In OE they're called kennings. I thought there was a term for the Greek ones, but I can't recall it if there is.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Better than gorging on yourself.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 or gouging yourself.

Cerberus

@Robusto "Rose-fingered" is an epitheton ornans for "dawn".

Just like "cow-eyed Aphrodite".

Epithets in Homer

A characteristic of Homer's style is the use of epithets, as in "rosy-fingered" dawn or "swift-footed" Achilles. Epithets are used because of the constraints of the dactylic hexameter (i.e., it is convenient to have a stockpile of metrically fitting phrases to add to a name) and because of the oral transmission of the poems; they are mnemonic aids to the poet and the audience alike. Epithets in epic poetry from various Indo-European traditions may be traced to a common tradition. For example, the phrase for "everlasting glory" or "undying fame" can be found in the Homeric Greek as kléos ...

Robusto

4:28 PM

@Cerberus Not the most alluring of descriptions for a goddess of beauity.

Johan Larsson

have you read any good books lately?

Cerberus

On the contrary! Cows have beautiful eyes!

Mitch

["Cancer incidence, except for lung cancer, was the same in all three groups. Obese people had the most diabetes, and healthy people had the most strokes. Ultimately, the thin and healthy group cost the most, about $417,000, from age 20 on.

The cost of care for obese people was $371,000, and for smokers, about $326,000."](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html)

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Who, me?

Mitch

starts eating more now

KitFox

4:29 PM

@Cerberus Doe-eyed is more common these days.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto how should I phrase the question so it means all of you? have any of you...?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch how generous of you, leaving the rest of the health-care tax dollars available for me!

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Better.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 but I won't be hungry and miserable.

Robusto

Or address it like "Hey, anbody seen any good movies lately?"

Cerberus

4:31 PM

@Mitch Right! You can't have multiple paragraphs.

> "We are not recommending that governments stop trying to prevent obesity," van Baal said. "But they should do it for the right reasons."

@KitFox Aphrodite disagrees.

Robusto

The King Must Die

The King Must Die is a 1958 bildungsroman and historical novel by Mary Renault that traces the early life and adventures of Theseus, a hero in Greek mythology. Naturally, it is set in Ancient Greece: Troizen, Corinth, Eleusis, Athens, Knossos in Crete, and Naxos. Rather than retelling the myth, Renault constructs an archaeologically and anthropologically plausible story that might have developed into the myth. She captures the essentials while removing the more fantastical elements, such as monsters and the appearances of gods. The King Must Die was lauded by critics, with New York Times...

Reading it now. Which is why I asked @Cerb about the epithets.

Johan Larsson

is it good?

Robusto

Cerb should read this, too. Great historical novel.

@JohanLarsson It is great in so many ways. If you like historical fiction, you can't do better than this.

I'm sure her works must be translated into Swedish by now.

Cerberus

Right, I have heard of it, I think.

Johan Larsson

reading it in English is probably better

Cerberus

4:34 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So anyway, it's very complicated, but it is at the very least contested to say that smoking costs society money.

KitFox

> did not take into account other potential costs of obesity and smoking, such as lost economic productivity or social costs.

Robusto

It's about the Theseus story, and she works it in such a way that it becomes an illumination of how the Hellenes supplaned the Minoans, and why Athena became the principal deity of Athens, and yet it's an exciting exploration of the whole shift from matriarchal to patriarchal society, etc.

Mitch

Or the smoking helping reduce weight or making you more alert.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Anytime you can read something in the original it's better.

terdon

@KitFox Nor did they take into account the potential gains such as jobs (from tobacco pickers to factory workers, through lawyers to doctors). Not saying they should mind, but that's the same argument.

Cerberus

4:36 PM

5 mins ago, by Cerberus

> "We are not recommending that governments stop trying to prevent obesity," van Baal said. "But they should do it for the right reasons."

KitFox

Increased entertainment revenue from more people playing soccer.

Mitch

@Robusto I've heard that The Rubaiyat was mediocre in the original Persian, and the Fitzgerald was a mediocre English poet, but together it's like Reese's or chicken & waffles.

KitFox

omg chicken and waffles.

Robusto

@Mitch I heard that Burton's translation was stunning, but that his wife burned it for being too racy.

Mitch

@terdon all the dentists going out of work because of fluoride!

terdon

4:37 PM

@KitFox Ugh, we have quite enough of a soccer obsession already thank you.

@Mitch Exactly!

Mitch

all the shoemaker's gone because of the assembly line!

Hunting out of fashion because ... um ... Neanderthals!

Robusto

*too racy

Mitch

@KitFox Wait, what? Because they smoke more?

@Robusto That to!!

KitFox

@Mitch No, because they have nothing else to do to stay fit.

Robusto

Neanderthal -> a Netherland

Cerberus

4:40 PM

Just the one?

Robusto

Yes.

Cerberus

Oh.

Mitch

@KitFox Oh. We could have hunger games? entertainment + food savings + exercise +...

Cerberus

@Robusto This.

Robusto

@Cerberus Sorry, one to a customer. I think you've already had your allotment.

Cerberus

4:41 PM

Sometimes I wish I could read Russian.

Mitch

... and eat the fat ones?

Robusto

@Cerberus Let's not get crazy.

Cerberus

But we could read @mahmax!

@Robusto We uses to have seven.

De Republiek der Zeven Provinciën.

Robusto

The days of Dutch freeloading are over.

Cerberus

But but!

Robusto

4:42 PM

No buts.

Mitch

@Cerberus beware of what you wish for rumpelstiltskin thinking up a good one

Cerberus

I wish I could read Russian, but not at the expense of anything else.

Robusto

@Cerberus Like your sanity.

@Mitch That has to be because thin, healthy people live longer.

Cerberus

What sanity?

Mitch

@Robusto what? I can't hear you over the sound of the bottom line.

Robusto

4:48 PM

I said, THAT HAS TO BE BECAUSE THIN, HEALTHY PEOPLE LIVE LONGER!

I don't like that thin, healthy people have more strokes. I'd rather have cancer.

KitFox

Just because you live long enough for strokes.

By the way, you are at increased risk. Drink more alcohol.

Isn't this a duplicate?

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Q: "Would have not" vs. "would not have"

That would not have happened if John had completed his work. That would have not happened if John had completed his work. The former seems correct. The latter doesn't seem incorrect. Are there any cases where one ought to use the latter instead of the former?

I could only find the infinitive one, but I thought there was at least one more.

Mitch

@Robusto rumpelstiltskin gets an idea

Cerberus

Okay, I have more complete figures.

Mitch

I think that's part of the paradox, that the longer you live healthily, the more likely you are to get long term illness that is only marginally treatable (like Alzheimer's or long term cancer).

If you die from a stroke right away that's money manageable, and if you get treated really quickly (like within 4 hrs) that's also recoverable, but if you have a stroke that doesn't kill you, you're kind of debilitated for a while.

@Cerberus So you're not wearing a corset?

Cerberus

@Mitch Haha tsk! Not today.

Mitch

4:56 PM

@Cerberus argh too many words to translate!

Cerberus

Costs of smoking:
- Research 14 million
- Healthcare 2,100 million
- Business 350 million
- Cleaning 59 million
- (Trying to) quit 20 million
---------------
Total €2,542 million

-------------------------
-------------------------
Benefits of smoking:
- Employment 231 million
- Taxes 2,000
- Saved costs on healthcare 600
- State and other pensions 1,190
-----------------
Total: € 4,021 million

Mitch

saved costs by dying early of smoking?

you get a state pension for smoking?

Cerberus

You get a state pension when you turn 65.

Mitch

a cost of not dying by smoking before 65?

Cerberus

What?

You die before you get a pension, so that saves society some money.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So on balance smoking benefits Dutch society financially by €1,5 billion a year.

Johan Larsson

5:02 PM

do you smoke cerb?

Cerberus

No. I hate it.

Everything about it.

And I am in favour of most smoking laws we have so far.

Mitch

@Cerberus I bet you're one of those kind of people who don't like football. spits

Cerberus

...which isn't related to smoking, but OK!

Johan Larsson

@Mitch :)

Cerberus

Do you guys smoke?

Mitch

5:04 PM

no. what a waste of money.

Johan Larsson

sadly yes

Cerberus

And health.

Mitch

nicotine gum... that's where it's at.

KitFox

I hated the gum.

Mitch

or nicotine patches.

get a whole box and put them all on at the same time.

Cerberus

5:05 PM

Fun!

Mitch

woo hoo!

stoked!

if only that were through smoking that'd be 'literally'

KitFox

'Saved' costs. Hahaha. Think how much money you saved. Love that gimmick.

Mitch

@KitFox what about the flavor?

KitFox

Man, I miss smoking.

@Mitch Gross. Like chewing on pepper.

terdon

Electronic cigarettes, all the flavor (almost) none of the harm.

Mitch

5:07 PM

@KitFox I know this is simplistic but why didn't they just fix that? Strawberry, watermelon, bubblegum flavored? Or better schnapps flavored!

terdon

That "almost" should be in tiny tiny print. As far as I know there is absolutely no evidence that they cause any harm whatsoever. And on this I've read the FDA report and every article printed in peer reviewed journals about them.

KitFox

@Mitch It's gross. They made them in many flavors. I tried orange as well. Gross. Mint. Gross.

Mitch

@terdon seems like a lot of trouble to go to to look uncool.

@KitFox but mint already is gross. so no loss there.

That's why I suggest peppermint schnapps flavored nicotine gum.

terdon

@Mitch Huh? Quite the contrary, it is very little trouble to go to in order to enjoy your nicotine without the harmful effects of combustion.

Mitch

ooh ooh or cinnamon cayenne?

@terdon so why not patches?

KitFox

5:09 PM

@Mitch Because sucking on a stick is half the enjoyment.

terdon

@Mitch Huh? Where's the fun in that? I don't get my regular hit on demand, I have nothing to do with my hands (which is a huge part of the addiction) I don't get to play with smoke (well, vapor in this case but a gas anyway)

Mitch

with the vapor gun thing you have to pull out all this machinery. and you're so in your face like a segway or google glass.

terdon

Patches are no comparison.

@Mitch Huh?

KitFox

So I'm in two-page view mode with MS Word, and when I cursor-down, it moves me to the page directly below. Thanks, Microsoft, you f-cking douchebags.

Mitch

@terdon learn knot tying or magic coin tricks?

terdon

5:11 PM

encrypted.google.com/…

^^ That's what they look like. Some look like normal cigs even.

Mitch

@KitFox ha ha. that's the reaction they want you to have.

KitFox

Are they like the Eclipse cigs? Those things were horrible.

I was a test marketer for them.

Mitch

So here's a compromise: use patches (nicotine, adderall, whatever), then bubblegum cigarettes (puffs out powdered sugar like smoke, doesn't taste horrible). Everyone wins!

terdon

@KitFox Dunno. Never used those. I was using one of these for a while:

The taste depends on what you put in them, some of the ones available were really great.

@Mitch But, but, I need to twiddle it!

Mitch

@terdon The bubblegum cigarette is twiddleable.

Cerberus

5:16 PM

@terdon My friend switched to that.

Mitch

and you can take bites off of it to chew.

Cerberus

For the first time ever, it seems to be working.

She did smoke a few cigarettes last week, but she threw away the rest.

I'm so glad I am not suffering from that debilitating addiction...

No offence intended, hehe.

terdon

@Cerberus None taken. It's an idiotic habit but one I enjoy.

user116848

Hey all :D

Cerberus

Haha.

Hello.

user116848

5:18 PM

I don't get why women love reading 'sixty shades of grey' novel?

user116848

Guys don't

user116848

I hear its all about money and shallow stuff in life.

KitFox

Fifty shades of Grey.

user116848

Yes

user116848

Oh I wrote sixty. My bad

KitFox

5:20 PM

It's fanfic by a woman who thought Twilight needed more sex.

user116848

I see :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox well, it was, originally

KitFox

And the only person I know who has read all three of them is my MiL's boyfriend, who is a 70 year old perv.

user116848

haha

Cerberus

I love Sixty Shades.

user116848

5:21 PM

Yeah the novel sucks

user116848

@Cerberus "Sixty"?? :D

Cerberus

So grey.

Yeah, it's lovely.

Or at least so far as I know it, the cover.

KitFox

"The first one was awful, just smutty sex, but the second one..." he says as I vomit a little in my mouth.

user116848

So what does "shades of grey" mean here?

Cerberus

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:23 PM

next year they're going to go high-def and it will be 16384 Shades of Grey

Cerberus

Only that few?

KitFox

'A thousand shades of gray' is a common phrase to describe how situations can be complex and subtle.

Cerberus

Not "4K"?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus 4K is the hilariously wrong number used to describe the number of columns of resolution.

user116848

@KitFox So it should be "thousand shades of gray". Why "fifty"?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:24 PM

Not the number of colours.

KitFox

As opposed to 'black and white' which means clear-cut and straightforward.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Arrowfar the number of shades isn't as important as the idea that it's not just black and white

KitFox

@Arrowfar Because she wrote it for National Novel Writing Month, which is 50,000 words in thirty days.

So it's "clever".

user116848

I see :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

!!wiki 50 shades of grey

Jarvis the Bot

5:26 PM

Fifty Shades of Grey (film)

Fifty Shades of Grey is an upcoming American romantic drama film directed by Sam Taylor-Johnson with a screenplay by Kelly Marcel, Patrick Marber, and Mark Bomback, based on the best-selling novel of the same name by E. L. James. It is set to be released on February 13, 2015 by Michael De Luca Productions, Trigger Street Productions, Focus Features, and Universal Pictures. Charlie Hunnam and Dakota Johnson were initially cast in the leading roles of Christian Grey and Anastasia Steele, respectively, with Hunnam departing the project the following month and being replaced by Jamie Dornan. ...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

film?

KitFox

Oh god.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

see, the bot is out to get me at every turn

user116848

Yeah the film has "Matt Boomer" in it

KitFox

Who is Matt Boomer?

user116848

5:26 PM

Girls like him :)

user116848

Matt Bomer

Matthew Staton "Matt" Bomer (born October 11, 1977) is an American actor, known for his role on the USA Network series White Collar, which premiered in 2009. Making his television debut with Guiding Light in 2001, Bomer received notice with his recurring role in the NBC television series Chuck as Bryce Larkin. Bomer has featured in supporting roles in such films as the 2005 thriller Flightplan, the 2011 science fiction thriller In Time, and the 2012 comedy-drama Magic Mike. He starred in the Dustin Lance Black play, 8, on Broadway and at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre as Jeff Zarrillo, a plai...

user116848

Some dude :)

user116848

He is originally gay though

KitFox

I have a hard time empathizing with a main character who likes salad with ranch dressing and Diet Coke for lunch.

Mitch

@KitFox That's gross.

Cerberus

5:28 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I keep forgetting what resolution it actually refers to, because it is so stupid.

I think it is 4,000 megapixels?

KitFox

@Arrowfar Originally?

user116848

@KitFox Yeah

KitFox

And now he isn't?

I recognize him from Guiding Light.

user116848

He is I mean. :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus no. it stands for the number of columns of resolution.

The 4k resolution is 1920x1080 * 2, or 3840x2160

user116848

5:30 PM

@KitFox So what's the correct word if I may ask? Instead of "originally"?

user116848

:)

KitFox

Good thing he's an actor then. Otherwise, a vapid teenage girl selling off her virginity wouldn't do it for him.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so the old HD is retronymed to 2k and the new HD is 2x that.

But the rounding error gets huge.

KitFox

@Arrowfar I don't know. "He's gay." Originally implies he was and now isn't.

user116848

I see :)

KitFox

5:31 PM

I suppose that could happen.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Huh??

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox I read an article that talked about how some women found their sexual orientation changed in late adulthood.

Cerberus

That's not even 4,000.

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right. Older women tend to become lesbians.

terdon

@KitFox Yeah, apparently being gay is "treatable". Ain't that somethin?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:32 PM

8 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus 4K is the hilariously wrong number used to describe the number of columns of resolution.

KitFox

@terdon Treatable? I wasn't thinking of it that way.

terdon

I know you weren't (at least I assumed so)

user116848

@Cerberus What 'pixels' and 'resolution' you guys are discussing?

terdon

Still, some people do consider it so.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@terdon You can treat it, but the treatment won't actually work.

@Arrowfar TV

KitFox

5:33 PM

@terdon More like, you're in chat one day and some guy says something about glazed donuts and you think, wow, that's really gross, I don't think I ever want to have sex with a woman ever again.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I can only repeat my "huh? No! That's stupid! It doesn't make sense" 4,000 times more.

Mitch

@KitFox obviously he was cured.

terdon

@KitFox Donuts are the cure!

I knew it!

user116848

@KitFox Again?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Because you mentioned 60 shades of grey and asked why it wasn't 1000. I said in the HD version it'd be 16384 shades of grey. Cerb mentioned 4K and I corrected him that 4k is resolution, not colour depth. And now you're caught up.

Cerberus

5:34 PM

@Arrowfar About the name "4K" for a certain resolution in television screens.

KitFox

You know, sometimes people just try stuff and then decide it's not really their thing. It's allowed.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's fine to conflate colour depth and resolution! People won't understand anyway.

Mitch

@KitFox Krispy Kream!

Cerberus

@Arrowfar So do you know any gay people in India?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox For the record, they weren't just glazed donuts, they were pumpkin spice glazed donuts, which I think everyone agrees is worth losing your sexual orientation over.

KitFox

5:35 PM

@Mitch Kreme

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus apparently not.

user116848

@Cerberus No I don't :)

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really not, but it was for the best considering it made me realize that I wasn't getting anything else out of the relationship except pain.

Mitch

@KitFox dangit! they're too clever for me!

tchrist

@KitFox Help, vampires!

KitFox

5:36 PM

Where?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You just have to eat the pumpkin-spice donuts in pairs. One makes you gay, the next straight, or vice versa.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 When you lose your sexual orientation, does your needle point into many directions at once?

tchrist

@KitFox Chez nous.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It gets complicated if you're eating the timbits/donut-holes.

Mitch

@KitFox there's always cake-style donuts, right?

Cerberus

5:37 PM

@Arrowfar Do you think it would be difficult to be openly gay where you live?

Mitch

wait that doesn't sound right.

KitFox

@Cerberus Or closedly gay?

Cerberus

?

user116848

@Cerberus Yes it would be difficult :)

Cerberus

OK I thought so.

Mitch

5:38 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is that what they're called at Tim Horton's? Timbits?

user116848

@Cerberus People are usually very conservative around here :)

KitFox

So it's not difficult to be closeted?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch yes. That's what they're called everywhere in canada, colloquially

tchrist

@Kit I’m completely out of breath just reading all of Mr Forefeeling’s “questions”.

KitFox

munchkins = timbits

Cerberus

5:39 PM

@Arrowfar Yeah I figured...probably a bit less so in the capital or in Bombay?

tchrist

I think I may be missing some blood, too.

@KitFox The past tense of timbits is tombits.

user116848

@Cerberus Yeah :) haha

Cerberus

Right.

KitFox

@tchrist It's already in process.

tchrist

Ok, thanks.

Regarding missing blood, Randy brought in a garter snake while I was in sleeping and bit its head off.

And this morning there was a baby robin flying around my kitchen.

terdon

5:40 PM

@tchrist Oh, you have a son?

tchrist

@terdon If so, he must be a geek.

KitFox

@tchrist I suspect that he might be the same as the last uesr who asked lots and lots of questions about Victorian texts he was reading.

tchrist

@KitFox Now, that would be something else, wouldn’t it?

I don’t know. His questions suggest he needs to find some other resource.

KitFox

@tchrist Probably not, but feels the same.

tchrist

Like the subjunctive one. There are so many EME and even Victorian uses that are not normal in casual speech today, although are sometimes found in literature or of all places in contemporary math papers.

Alraxite

5:43 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah. I'll just upload my image directly to SE. There seems no other way.

Except the gravatar.com way, which I'm not adopting.

tchrist

@terdon Randy is now officially a cat, having had his first birthday on July 1st.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Alraxite well, yeah. There are only two ways. That's already one more way than most sites offer :)

tchrist

> 1. A mental impression or feeling of a future event; a vague expectation resting on no definite reason, but seeming like a direct perception of something about to happen; an anticipation, foreboding (most commonly of something evil).

Mitch

@KitFox I don't even call them munchkins, just donutholes.

user116848

@Cerberus So do I look like an Indian or Spanish or Mexican or Arab?

tchrist

5:44 PM

Certainly a foreboding screen name.

terdon

Happy birthday Randy then!

KitFox

@Arrowfar I'd answer, but I wouldn't want to offend you.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 He's giving you presents for his birthday.

user116848

@KitFox Please do tell Ms Fox. I don't mind.

user116848

:)

KitFox

5:47 PM

I'd have guessed you were Persian or thereabouts.

user116848

Yeah that is correct. "Thereabouts" :)

user116848

But it doesn't matter, right?

user116848

Here I mean.

KitFox

It's the thereabouts I was worried about offending you for.

It doesn't matter to me. Might matter to you if I got it wrong.

But you look a lot like my friend Umar, and he was Persian.

user116848

I see :)

user116848

5:50 PM

Yeah we are pretty much same people.

KitFox

Oh, Pakistani then?

terdon

What does Persian mean today? Is it even used? Can one be an Iranian and not Persian or a Persian and not Iranian?

Cerberus

@Arrowfar Hmm I'm not good at gauging people's origins.

user116848

@KitFox From Sindh yeah. I guess you guys won't talk to me again :)

Cerberus

Hmm what's wrong with Sindh?

terdon

5:52 PM

@Arrowfar Why would we do that?

KitFox

pish posh. I'm surprised you are talking to me at all.

user116848

Yeah a province of Pakistan.

KitFox

But I'm the only American present at the moment.

terdon

I'm half!

RegDwigнt

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Q: A thread asking a grammatical question has been closed twice

I think this thread should be re-opened: "You owe a duty to persons whom it is foreseeable are likely to be harmed" — why "whom"? The "duplicate thread" doesn't seem to have an answer to the OP's question. I think that "closed" thread poses an example that is grammatically interesting, and m...

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Cerberus

5:52 PM

What does America have to do with it?

KitFox

I have a different friend from Hyderabad, but you look less like him.

terdon

I got the passport but almost none of the prejudices :P

user116848

You know people label us as the bad guys sometimes

Cerberus

Who?

user116848

:)

Cerberus

5:53 PM

All Pakistanis?

KitFox

Not us.

user116848

@Cerberus I can't say it here

terdon

@Arrowfar Don't worry, everyone is a bad guy for someone or other.

Cerberus

That would be stupid, discrimination.

terdon

And anyone who assumes you're a bad guy just because you're from country X is an idiot and not welcome here.

Cerberus

5:53 PM

We don't even label all Americans as bad guys, can you imagine.

terdon

Unless, of course, you're from San Marino, I hate those guys.

:)

tchrist

I need to make a meta post about encouraging properly attributed citations.

Please always cite, in plain text not just via some hyperlink, precisely the source of any quoted material. — tchrist 37 secs ago

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus speak for yourself.

user116848

@KitFox How did you know the exact country? :) I am curious.

KitFox

smiles tolerantly at the hellhound

Cerberus

5:54 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That was pluralis majestatis.

tchrist

Or rather, about encouraging the proper attribution of citations.

RegDwigнt

It's already encouraged. Improperly attributed == deleted on sight.

KitFox

@Arrowfar You mean Pakistan? I didn't know there were Persian other places besides Pakistan and Iran, so maybe lucky ignorance.

RegDwigнt

Thanks to Dubya, no less.

KitFox

@tchrist I was working on that.

user116848

5:55 PM

@KitFox I see :)

Alraxite

The hash that SE sent to gravatar.com when I first created my account was generated using just my email. For security reasons, they now salt the email before sending it to gravatar.com. So, when I tried to fiddle with my profile info, they salted my email address and created a new hash off of it and gave me the new identicon. So, there's no possible changing to my email that can bring back that avatar back.

RegDwigнt

You could hack their server. Totally possible.

tchrist

@KitFox Far be it from me to get in your way. I figure whatever I write on it will need about five revisions for customer-facingness.

RegDwigнt

You could ask the NSA. Totally possible.

The possibilities are endless!

KitFox

@tchrist You are welcome to do it, just tell me so, so I don't waste my effort. ;-)

Alraxite

5:56 PM

I'm only considering uploading my old image to SE. I'm modest like that.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist Oh, I see it's the pellet user again.

tchrist

Yesterday I found about 100 unattributed citations before I gave up.

RegDwigнt

Then I withhold any judgement and let others handle it.

Cerberus

@terdon National Brotherhood Week is very ambitious, if I am to believe Lehrer!

RegDwigнt

@tchrist I am not seeing 100 flags.

terdon

5:58 PM

@tchrist Why are links not enough? I often give a link for a dictionary definition (especially since these are online dictionaries) and don't give the dictionary's name in the answer body.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I reneged. Look at my comment history, for the deleted ones.

Decided that was going too far.

terdon

@Cerberus Oh, I love that one :) Manages to offend everybody!

tchrist

@terdon A link is not enough for a bunch of reasons.

terdon

link rot?

tchrist

Which is what has to be discussed in the meta posting.

That’s only part of it.