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tchrist

7:00 PM

Und jetzt?!

Weiß nicht.

Noch einmal!

@Reg Did you do something funky with tag feeds?

@terdon @Cerberus ’Fraid I couldn’t resist:

@CyberGuy That’s totally alright, honest. There are indeed subtle patterns going on here that native speakers internalize, but to sieve them out of The Chaos would be harder than just looking up the word. — tchrist 4 mins ago

terdon

@tchrist Heartless, just heartless.

I was wondering who/when would bring up that poem.

tchrist

Word beginning with hear- are also wicked.

hear hearse heartily

terdon

hearse being the first that comes to mind

Yup

tchrist

You just gave me a great idea.

Mahnax

Hiya, folks.

tchrist

7:15 PM

hearable (adj.)                /ˈhɪərəb(ə)l/
heard (ppl. a.)                /hɝːd/
hearer (v.)                    /ˈhɪərə(r)/
hearken (v.)                   /ˈhɑ˞ːk(ə)n/
hearkener (v.)                 /ˈhɑ˞ːk(ə)nə(r)/
hearkening (vbl. sb.)          /ˈhɑ˞ːk(ə)nɪŋ/
hearsay (v.)                   /ˈhɪɚseɪ/
hearse (n.)                    /hɝːs/
hearsy (adj.)                  /ˈhɝːsɪ/
heart (n.)                     /hɑ˞ːt/
heart (v.)                     /hɑ˞ːt/
heart-ache (n.)                /ˈhɑ˞ːteɪk/

@Mahnax Hi, sorry to splooge.

Mahnax

@tchrist Oh, no problem.

They asked me to come into work today. On my first day off after six days in a row totalling 48 hours of work and about a million phone calls. No sir.

tchrist

Typical.

Mahnax

We've had two people quit with no notice in the past week and I've been on cleanup duty.

Oh well. enjoys day off

@tchrist I like your answer to the "re" question.

tchrist

Thanks.

I guess I could have included the unassimilated French pronunciation of rendezvous, since I gave both US and UK versions, and Dieu only knows what native French speakers in Québec say when speaking English.

/rɑ̃devu/ or some such.

Mahnax

It's a pretty good list as is, I think; it gives the reader a very clear explanation.

tchrist

7:24 PM

> rendezvous /ˈrɒndɪvuː/, /ˈrɛn-/, /rɑ̃devu/, sb.

Who the heck says it like wren?

The middle one in the OED list.

Matt Gutting

@tchrist Sounds like a name: Ren deVou.

Mahnax

@tchrist No kidding! I've never heard that, and I can't imagine an accent in which it might be pronounced that way.

tchrist

Me neither.

Mahnax

Wait, people pronounce it with ɪ?

Like the i in hit?

I've said it out loud a few times and I guess I can see it, but it sounds weird.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ron day voo

There is no other way

Mahnax

7:28 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exactement.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The OED has gone too far

tchrist

@Mahnax Fixed.

> rendezvous (n.) /ˈrɒndɪvuː/, /ˈrandəvu/, /rɑ̃devu/

Matt Эллен

I can imagine ron day voo, or ren dez vows.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Or not far enough. They aren’t reducing it to a schwa as the three of us clearly do.

Mahnax

@tchrist But the first one still has an ɪ, which sounds so strange to me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:30 PM

@tchrist I don't think I have a schwa in it.

tchrist

@MattЭллен Matt, do you have the BIT sound there?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well... maybe if I'm speaking quickly it turns to a schwa

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If I were to write the phonetics instead of the phonemics, I might use a schwi.

Mark berg

hi

thanks

tomorrow

Matt Эллен

@tchrist bit? like binary digit?

tchrist

7:31 PM

@MattЭллен Right.

Matt Эллен

I guess

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Markberg You can edit your previous chat message by pressing the up arrow. You have two minutes. (like this)

Matt Эллен

people say bit

Saladin

hello

anyone home?

tchrist

@Markberg Just what it says.

Mahnax

7:32 PM

@Markberg It means you will be going out with someone for something like drinks, or coffee, or for a meal, as the first step in a romantic process.

Saladin

I need help applying job with IBM

Matt Эллен

@Saladin nope. we're all out

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Markberg And "date" means appointment, but usually a romantic appointment.

Saladin

:(

tchrist

> I shall be having a date with someone come the morrow.

Mahnax

7:32 PM

@Saladin Don't mind him, there's people here :)

Saladin

:)

Mahnax

Hm.

Oh, doesn't exist, that's why.

Saladin

wait

tchrist

@Saladin Sorry, you’ve come to the wrong place: this is persnickety.SE not careers.SE. :)

Saladin

I need some logical understanding and reasoning not big consultant view

tchrist

7:33 PM

Then that is not English.

It is logic and reasoning.

And career advice.

Saladin

tchrist

And I just remembered I’ve forgotten to eat my @Saladin the fridge again.

Saladin

no can someone please view the screenshot.

Mahnax

@Saladin What's your question about it?

Saladin

its that simple I'm confused how to show my experience i.e I got total 5 yrs experience but When i fill the above menu it add to more then 5 years...infact there are part I have done in parallel like threat analysis reporting and ids/idp threat analysis occurrences...does this menu expects me to enter dedicated experience?

Mahnax

7:37 PM

Oh, I don't know, I'm afraid. Are there detailed instructions somewhere on the application form?

Saladin

detailed instructions not as such

Matt Эллен

if you have been doing each of those things for more than 5 years you should put that. Put the amount of time you have been doing each of those things

Saladin

the job add says

Required

Associate's Degree/College Diploma
At least 1 year experience in IDS/IPS Threat Analysis experience
At least 6 months experience in Trending/Threat Analysis reporting
At least 1 year experience in Security Log Analysis
Certified in Industry standard security certifications (CISSP, GIAC, GSEC, ...)
English: Fluent
French: Intermediate
Dutch: Fluent

Preferred

Bachelor's Degree in Information Technology
At least 2 years experience in IDS/IPS Threat Analysis experience
At least 1 year experience in Trending/Threat Analysis reporting

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yes, what Matt wrote

Mahnax

If you do two things at once for a year, then you've been doing both for a year, so I agree with the others.

Saladin

7:42 PM

so if i add the fields in years if it mounts to time greater then 5 years I shouldn't be worried ....

like if i add up the current selection it take upto 6 years which is beyond my professional experience

Mahnax

@Saladin But you've been doing things simultaneously, so that's not really a good way to measure things. I think it's fine.

Matt Эллен

For example:
I have been in my job for 4 years. I started learning python when I started. I had been programming in c# for three years prior to that.
So if I was asked how long I had been using python professionally, and one option was "less than 5 years and more than four years" I would pick that
If I was asked similarly about c#, I would say More than 7 years and less than 8
I would not combine the two together.

I have not been programming in python and c# for 11 years

*numbers not actually representative of my experience

Saladin

Got it that's excellent explanation:)

@MattЭллен thanks a lot

Matt Эллен

no probs :)