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6:00 PM

mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/…

@Oddthinking I think you should include at least some of the OED’s citations for its sense 6, notably including the one from Neil Armstrong.

skullpatrol

@JohanLarsson propaganda is alive and well :-)

Oddthinking

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Q: Does North Korea propaganda falsely claim 2014 World Cup participation?

This video is being spread on Facebook. It purports to be a North Korean television segment that fraudulently tells the North Koreans that they are participating in the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, and that North Korea have defeated USA, China and Japan. Everyone is spreading this as a genuine piec...

tchrist

@Oddthinking Also, your mouse hiccupped on the etymological history.

Johan Larsson

@Oddthinking nice, could be bs.

tchrist

6:04 PM

OED has:

> ad. L. nōmināl-is, f. nōmin-, nōmen name. So Fr. nominal (1521).

The silly-frilly Free Dictionary is using GIFs for non-ASCII, which are not really amenable to murine snarf-n-barf.

Oddthinking

@tchrist Great, no my mouse needs new batteries too?

@tchrist Ah, will try to fix.

tchrist

@Oddthinking Or fewer kitties.

‭ ā 0101 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH MACRON
* Latvian, Latin, ...
: 0061 0304

‭ ō 014D LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH MACRON
* Latvian, Latin, ...
: 006F 0304

There is no precomposed character for LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH MACRON AND BREVE.

Oddthinking

@tchrist Yeah, already fixed those. Still hunting the indo-european one that's the problem.

@tchrist Sigh

tchrist

I can trivially make one for you if need be, but I don’t really understand what it is intended to indicate.

Oddthinking

I'll just replace it with a question mark. I've provided the reference to the original.

tchrist

6:09 PM

macbook# perl -Mcharnames=:full -le 'print "\N{LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH MACRON}\N{COMBINING BREVE}"'
ō̆

macbook# perl -Mcharnames=:full -le 'print "\N{LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH MACRON}\N{COMBINING BREVE}"'
ō̆

Gosh, those all look horrible.

That’s how it is supposed to look. But the web sucketh typographically.

That’s the best you can do, I’m afraid.

I don’t know that most people have an incarnation of Georgia that groks COMBINING BREVE, alas.

user116848

@Oddthinking Hi

Oddthinking

@tchrist Okay, I have stolen that - thank you - and also incorporated your OED3 quotes. I hope it is in shape now.

@Arrowfar Hi

tchrist

Sure, thanks.

user116848

Hi tchrist and others :)

Zoe

@Arrowfar Hello, from the other.

user116848

6:14 PM

@Zoe Hello :)

Oddthinking

@Arrowfar Are you just saying hi, or did you have a question for me? I am just on my way out. It is rather late.

user116848

@Oddthinking No your avatar seemed cool. So I said Hi :D

Oddthinking

@Arrowfar Cheers. I put it together the first time I saw the "new" (well, it was at the time) Skeptics.SE logo.

user116848

@Oddthinking I don't see you here often?

user116848

Yeah so you on skeptics SE I see

user116848

6:16 PM

:)

Oddthinking

Very, very occasionally in English.SE chat.

Anyway, it is 4:15am here, so I should go to bed. Good night.

user116848

Good night :)

Zoe

@Oddthinking Do you live in Australia? Anyways, GN!

tchrist

Wah, the metametacity question is up to a dozen votes!

I fear this lily may well be gilded ere the morrow.

Zoe

The english one? If yes, I up voted it too

tchrist

6:18 PM

Whereas I would that it were gelded.

It’s not really asked in good faith. It does not describe an actual problem.

Alraxite

Well, it should ultimately be closed I think.

tchrist

@Alraxite Ultima Thule is a long ways from here.

KitFox

I haven't figured out why it should be.

Alraxite

Even though it's a good question in the sense that it draws attention to the problems on the site.

But not an actual question.

Zoe

The answer to that question might be "Laziness" or something. or "Overcompensation"

tchrist

6:22 PM

What kind of question is it, though? Surely there is a word for that.

Alraxite

@KitFox Because it's not a legitimate question. It's clear it was intended to poke fun.

tchrist

adds meta humor is-it-a-question

Zoe

@tchrist The word is lazehhhh

tchrist

@Zoe I though ze was masculine.

Zoe

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Q: A word for one who loves only one girl throughout his life

Just like one wife man is called : monogamous. Is there any word for one who loves just one girl throughout his life time. For him one life, one girl matters. History has seen such people. Are such people's action(of loving just one) also described in words ?

meaning word-choice single-word-requests word-usage vocabulary

tchrist

6:27 PM

adds sardonic mordant biting satire acerbic taunting mocking scorching carping querulous unanswerable self-referential needle-poking silly-willy

user116848

@KitFox Hi Ms Fox. So I was ignored by Robostu yesterday. May be he was busy or not in the mood to chit chat.

user116848

:)

KitFox

@Arrowfar Probably.

user116848

Yeah.

user116848

So there is a fairly new genre of music of 'Hardstyle Hardcore'. I have listened it and kinda liked it :)

user116848

6:34 PM

Hardstyle

Hardstyle is an electronic dance genre mixing influences from hardtechno, hard house, hard trance, and hardcore. Hardstyle typically consists of a deep, hard-sounding kick drum, intense faded or reversed basslines accompanying the beat, a synth playing a melody, and detuned and distorted sounds. It bears some similarities to hard trance. Many hardcore artists produce hardstyle tracks as well, and many newer Hardstyle tracks are written in compound time. History Origins Hardstyle was influenced by hard trance, gabber, and hard house. Hardstyle has its origins in the Netherlands where a...

user116848

But it's very youngsters music I guess.

KitFox

Haven't heard of it, but I'm pretty musically ignorant.

user116848

@KitFox So you only read novels and literature?

KitFox

Oh yes. I am very hoity toity.

Nothing but Ayn Rand and Umberto Eco.

user116848

You ever read Stephen King?

KitFox

6:38 PM

A few.

user116848

But his novels are kinda gross.

KitFox

Depends on the novel.

user116848

yucky :)

KitFox

Some of his short stories are not.

user116848

Yeah like IT and one story about frogs

KitFox

6:39 PM

I used to walk past his house every day.

user116848

Oh, you live near him?

KitFox

Used to.

Then I moved and he moved.

I went to school with his son Owen.

user116848

Cool. You yourself a writer too Ms Fox?

KitFox

Working on it.

user116848

With his son? So you can't be 38?

user116848

6:41 PM

Sorry I looked in your profile :)

KitFox

I am 38. Owen was a year behind me.

I was his editor in elementary school.

user116848

I see

KitFox

My best guy friend was good friends with him. I think they still hang out.

user116848

Cool :)

KitFox

Joe went to school with my older brother.

user116848

6:42 PM

Have you met the KIng?

Mitch

@tchrist They didn't even mention the meaning of 'nominal' as 'a very small amount, just enough to pass'.

KitFox

@Arrowfar Yes, on several occasions. He frequented my best friend's convenience store.

user116848

@KitFox Right :)

KitFox

His wife Tabitha was a librarian as was my mother, so they knew each other too.

user116848

So quite a family I guess haha

KitFox

6:45 PM

Yes, quite.

user116848

I mean you guys and them.

KitFox

He's weird.

user116848

@KitFox Who?

KitFox

Weirder after getting hit by that car.

Stephen.

user116848

He got hit by a car? I didn't know that I guess.

Mitch

6:47 PM

@KitFox Ayn Rand and Umberto Eco should get married.

user116848

He used to be poor I guess. I mean before his publicity, yes?

Mitch

He's been public forever.

user116848

I see.

KitFox

@Arrowfar A long time ago.

When he got his first book deal, he rushed out to Walgreens and bought a waffle iron (I think it was) because it was the only store open and it was the most expensive thing in it.

So he could surprise Tabitha when she got home from work.

user116848

I see

KitFox

6:52 PM

Now I'm off to play with my boys. Later!

user116848

@KitFox So Ms Fox can you give me some good alternatives of 'I see'. Always writing 'I see' seems weird I guess.

user116848

See ya!

KitFox

Ah. Interesting. Remarkable. Please do go on. Or you could always ask a pertinent follow-up question.

user116848

Yeah thanks. Bye bye :)

skullpatrol

7:04 PM

in The Clubhouse, 3 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

The game begins!

Which game?

World cup

Oh, cool. Good luck!

@Alraxite :)

Hope you win.

You're playing right?

Robusto

7:11 PM

@Johan: Watching it now.

user116848

@Robusto Hello

skullpatrol

@Alraxite No I'm not actually playing, I'm watching.

Alraxite

@skullpatrol I would be watching it if you were there!

skullpatrol

@Alraxite :-)

Mitch

@KitFox Interesting.

Alraxite

7:19 PM

@Mitch Pertinent follow-up question.

Mitch

@Alraxite Clever pun by taking misunderstanding question.

@Alraxite I'm here right now. Do you see the guy in yellow and green? The guy next to those other guys and that girl? That's me.

No not that guy, the other guy.

Alraxite

So many of you.

@Mitch Statement refuting cleverness of pun.

Mitch

sigh section R, row G, seat 22. (excellent seat!) See me? I'm waving right now. 25:53

Alraxite

Oh, I can! You look just like you look here.

Like a plot of a beautiful function!

Mitch

Oh!!!!!

offsides.28:00

Alraxite

7:30 PM

What are these numbers that you speak of?

Time?

Mitch

Times in the game.

Alraxite

I see

I'll set an alarm to remind me of these moments.

Mitch

You should!

Johan Larsson

7:50 PM

@Robusto surprisingly even, ger has trouble penetrating the defense with six args ~in~ the box

oerkelens

Just got this link from elsewhere... @KitFox prolly knows them :)

earthporm.com/22-photos-will-make-fall-love-foxes

KitFox

oh my god you found me.

user116848

Nice pics

oerkelens

@KitFox No reason to hide such cuteness :)

KitFox

OMG you are cute.

But who is that feeding you?

oerkelens

7:55 PM

@KitFox Just some tourist

KitFox

You look quite a bit like my husband.

Actually, like the love child of my husband and the head cook at the local diner.

oerkelens

mmmmmm....

That explains why I like cooking

KitFox

I'm not an English teacher, so you must just be a relation.

oerkelens

web-based genealogy is tricky at best :)

user116848

@KitFox So the head cook is girl?

KitFox

7:58 PM

No.

I'm off to play vids with my kids. Later!

user116848

Later!

oerkelens

Later!

user116848

@JohanLarsson I guess you and oerkelens know each other, right?

Johan Larsson

nope, not really

user116848

I mean here

Johan Larsson

8:02 PM

we have not chatted much yet

user116848

@JohanLarsson I mean you are also Dutch , right?

Johan Larsson

I'm Swedish, Cerb is Dutch

second half starts now afk 45'

oerkelens

@Arrowfar: European countries may be quite small, but they are still not all the same :P

user116848

@JohanLarsson Oh, my bad. I hadn't seen you profile. I thought you were from Amsterdam.

user116848

Yeah sorry guys. I mixed it up.

Johan Larsson

8:05 PM

no need for sorry man :)

user116848

:)

oerkelens

No biggie. For many Europeans China and Japan are the same, so honestly, Sweden and the Netherlands, no big difference. Except Sweden is colder :(

user116848

Yeah :)

user116848

At least there were schengen countries some time ago.

oerkelens

They still are - or did I miss the memo?

user116848

8:08 PM

No I mean some countries are plus minus , right?

user116848

Schengen Area

The Schengen Area is the area comprising 26 European countries that have abolished passport or any other type of border control in-between their common borders, also referred to as internal borders. It functions as a single country for international travel purposes, with a common visa policy. The Area is named after the Schengen Agreement. Countries in the Schengen Area have eliminated internal border controls with the other Schengen members, and strengthened external border controls with non-Schengen states. The Schengen area encourages the free movement of goods, information, money an...

oerkelens

I'm not sure what you mean with plus minus... Shengen is quite stable actually, and as far as I know, no country ever left.

user116848

Yeah you are right. I just read. I was misinformed I guess :)

Alraxite

@oerkelens I see that you've betrayed our kinship.

oerkelens

@Alraxite I was coerced

Alraxite

8:14 PM

You do look handsome.

And the guy you're sitting on.

oerkelens

@Alraxite KJitfox beat you to that one :P

21 mins ago, by KitFox

OMG you are cute.

Alraxite

That's unsurprising. My jokes are never original.

Well, it's always my idea. But then they steal it and go back in time.

And make that joke...

oerkelens

Sad story

Mitch

@Alraxite When I get my time machine, that's the first thing I will do.

Listen to Alraxite's jokes, go back in time, bask in the adulation of my cleverness.

2nd on my list is to go back in time and stop all those people trying to kill Hitler before '33 because science fiction tells us that things will end up much worse.

Alraxite

@Mitch Joke's on you. My jokes, though always original, are always shit.

@Mitch You will kill the guy who killed Hitler?

Mitch

8:24 PM

3rd... forward in time, let's say a month for financial reports. Tomorrow will be too obvious.

Alraxite

Now someone will go back in time and make an image out of it which will then go on to circulate the web.

Mitch

@Alraxite nope, just trip him up or mess with impersonate him and cancel his credit card.

... uh... the one that I will bring them from the future.

@Alraxite It's all in the delivery.

Alraxite

Oh, wait you said stop all those people trying to kill Hitler...

Mitch

Yeah?

@Alraxite The ones going back in time.

Not regular 1933 people

I'l have the list of all the people who bought the same time machine from Amazon as me.

Uh oh. I think I've given away too much from the future. I'll stop now.

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Q: When and where did saying "nice" become so popular?

When one person tells another something good or shows off something they like the other person will often say "nice". For example, "Check out my new car it has so many bells and whistles" -Person one "Nice" -Person two. It seems this is relatively new as I don't remember everything good being...

idioms

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Alraxite

@Mitch You should try to stop them before they decide to go back in time and stop you from getting your machine.

And also stop you from stopping them not have their machine

Mitch

8:38 PM

@Alraxite hm...I think going back in time to stop the people from making the time machine would do it. Or is it forward?

Alraxite

@Mitch Well, clearly you will fail since you currently possess a time machine.

Or perhaps it was you who created it in the first place.

Mitch

goes forward in time to modify my next comment

nothing to see here. move on. no secret plans for time machines were touched

Alraxite

Hah

You should also tell your younger self how to make time machines. In that case you'd be in possession of one much sooner.

Mitch

Isn't that how 'back to the future' did it? Seems like cheating.

Alraxite

Do you remember about a man in your childhood to teach you about how to build time machines?

Mmm, I didn't watch it.

Mitch

8:44 PM

Classic

Alraxite

Clearly, they took my idea.

Mitch

You should start writing the screenplay. So they'll have something to steal. from the future. All your good lines are in there.

Alraxite

I will

I was looking for this time machine related story that I saw months ago, but can't find it.

Robusto

@Johan: Germany seems to have had the better chances.

Alraxite

8:59 PM

Ah, yes.

All You Zombies

'"—All You Zombies—"' is a science fiction short story by Robert A. Heinlein. It was written in one day, July 11, 1958, and first published in the March 1959 issue of Fantasy and Science Fiction magazine after being rejected by Playboy. The story involves a number of paradoxes caused by time travel. In 1980, it was nominated for the Balrog Award for short fiction. '"—All You Zombies—"' further develops themes explored by the author in a previous work: "By His Bootstraps", published some 18 years earlier. Some of the same elements also appear later in The Cat Who Walks Through Wall...

A verbatim version: abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/grandfather_paradox.html

Johan Larsson

@Robusto yeah they are better but only slightly, the blitz is not as effective vs arg.

great game to watch imo

user116848

9:18 PM

@Robusto Germany, how?

Johan Larsson

NICE!

user116848

Yay!

Johan Larsson