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A: Why are answers being posted in the comments on the question?

Many if not most questions posed here contain false presuppositions, and therefore can't be answered as stated. Generally one has to correct those before addressing the information that's actually needed; that's best done in a comment, rather than an official Answer. As for points, it's not worth...

@KitFox You could make reaching 20k next year your target. Almost there!

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A: Answer was already posted as comment by someone else - recommended action if any?

When I post just a Comment it's generally to ensure that OP gets some sort of an answer even if the question is closed. I may choose, if I have the time and the interest and enough to say, to create a real Answer; but if I don't choose to do so, what I have posted as a Comment is free for anyone'...

For the record, I think I disagree with the Prof. Whatever was corrected in a comment could be written in an answer, along with the real answer.

"what even is that?" is that right? lol

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Images, DOM elements and windows are obviously 2-dimensional. A vector has a size because its elements each have a size - in bytes. Same goes for an ext4 filesystem (which can also be thought of as taking area on a disk). So, these examples are not relevant. None of them is like a one-dimensiona line. — einpoklum 2 hours ago

like, there's no other place for the even

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

9:09 PM

So the OP doesn't like my answer of "resize" when applied to lines

@clinch even is used as an intensifier there

yup

it's just that i just said that and it felt silly, but yeah, i guess i was just overthinking stuff

Anonymous

@AndrewLeach ELL inherited its culture of comment-answers from ELU, I think

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@clinch It seems to have gained some new uses lately, but it's quite old

Anonymous

It doesn't seem like every SE site is like that

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 what is old? using even as an intensifier?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

9:13 PM

@clinch yes

ah, kk

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=7521

@snailboat No. I wish it weren't here.

«What does 'even' even mean?» haha

Anonymous

@clinch "What is that even?"

9:22 PM

hmm, yeah, could be

i'm starting to like "what even is that?" tho :3

Anonymous

It sounds unnatural to me.

it did to me at first as well, that's why i joined the chat

Anonymous

I wonder how many speakers think it sounds normal

Matt Эллен

Well... if you'll excuse the vulgarity, "What the fuck is that" works

which is not so dissimilar to "What even is that"

watch your profamity :P

yeah, agreed

i dunno, it really felt a bit awkward when i first said it, but now it seems fine

then again, once you start overthinking stuff, it can get messy

Matt Эллен

9:32 PM

yeah

semantic satiation sets in and you brain can't even remember if while is a word

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rofl, exactly

Anonymous

@clinch I can only kind of make it work in my brain

where are you from?

Anonymous

Me? Illinois.

@snailboat yeah, you, hah. I was just asking cause it's just maybe one of those things that only some dialects allow

Anonymous

9:36 PM

Are you a native speaker?

kinda... i lived in the US for a while when i was a kid

me not being sure probably means i'm not a native tho

Anonymous

Eh, well, there are cases where the dichotomy breaks down. It's an idealization, not a real thing.

Anonymous

And in those cases, there's no sense in trying to force a yes-or-no answer

yeah, i never really gave it too much importance

Anonymous

I recently discovered Stephanie Hackert's The Emergence of the English Native Speaker

Anonymous

9:41 PM

books.google.com/books?id=GNFKU9yI9CcC&pg=PA1

whoa, this seems like a good read

is there a way to PM people on SE?

Anonymous

Not really, no

Anonymous

That functionality is missing by design

All chat rooms are public.

Anonymous

Moderators can contact people privately, but regular users can't.

9:52 PM

You can ask for their email and discuss private affairs via email, like I do, lol.

but then everyone would see their email address :/

What's an email address for if it is not going to be used?

tho i guess scammers don't lurk these chatrooms :P

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Q: Who are some linguists who have an "essentialist" view?

I have to write an essay which looks at the way the study of gendered differences in language changes over time but I'm struggling to find any linguists who write with the view that language is determined by our biological sex rather than societal influences.. Any help will be greatly appreciat...

linguistics gender

Belongs on Linguistics.SE.

...which is where it is. We'll see if it stays there.

10:07 PM

it just got moved

> migrated from english.stackexchange.com 1 min ago

damn, the linguistics chat is really dead (last message was 13d ago)... i had a silly question to ask but i guess i'm gonna have to actually create the question on the SE

i don't think it merits its own question hah

Anonymous

What silly question?

well, something interesting happens in some spanish dialects (and i've noticed it in some english dialects as well) where sounds just sort trade places or shift. There's a word "denle". den is a conjugation of the verb dar and le is an indirect object. In spanish the object gets attached to the verb and they're written together. now, the order of those two morphemes make perfect sense, but then you have people saying delen hehe

i want to know if that phenomenon has a name or if it's common

Anonymous

Metathesis.

awesome, that seems to be it, thanks

you a linguistics major?

Anonymous

I'm just a snail boat.

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10:18 PM

you're a pretty okay snail boat ^^

Anonymous

Thanks. :-)

hm, you're also learning japanese

imma stalk you :D

Anonymous

No thank you.

kay :(

10:38 PM

You can stalk me if you like.

I stalk people all the time.

10:50 PM

> As former CIA officer Bob Baer explained in disturbing detail, “If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear—never to see them again—you send them to Egypt.”

> How many detainees met such fates? The Post reported that more than twice as many prisoners were rendered by the CIA to foreign governments as were held by the agency.

11:11 PM

Whoopi Goldberg Doesn’t Think Obama’s Being Mistaken for a Valet Is Racist

I love her! She gets it.

11:30 PM

> “I’ve been black for 60 years,” Goldberg insisted.

Limerick Machine: Can one be allergic to pain? Or am I just being insane Being hurt hurts Sometimes blood spurts So...

posted on December 19, 2014 by sgdi

Can one be allergic to pain? Or am I just being insane Being hurt hurts Sometimes blood spurts So from pain I must refrain

wow, she turned black ages ago!

I have not spoken for a while, so there.

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