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2:00 PM

But every one will expect to win back at least $80.

I have never gambled in a casino, nor bought lottery.

But since I have lost almost everything in life, now I really hope to strike it rich the easy way.

I think life owes it to me to compensate me for all the suffering I have endured the past 33 years.

Dude. Dude. Just print your own money. 3D printers are a commodity these days.

So other than getting well soon, I really hope that there are other miracles waiting to happen.

Yes, the miracle of 3D printing.

For example, Maria would be a miracle.

2:02 PM

Nah. Those are a dime a thousand.

I am making some progress with someone who could be Maria, so I am quite happy.

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I think maybe later I will have some fish soup noodles at the food court. It costs about 6 USD.

@SmokeDetector Free flags for all!

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A: He has been banned or He is banned

I would normally read those two phrases to mean the same thing, but they are slightly different. "She is banned" means that the person is currently in a state of being being banned. "She has been banned" implies the same thing, but could refer to the act of being banned at a certain point in time...

wut

In my neck of the woods, "she has been banned" cannot possibly be used if the ban is no longer in place. Only "she was banned" can. — RegDwigнt ♦ 40 secs ago

Since when is Present Perfect not connected to the present?

It is the reason why it at all exists. It has no other legitimation.

I now have a habit of converting all currency in this chat to USD. That way, people know the exact price of the item I am talking about, and I don't reveal my location.

2:08 PM

@RegDwigнt There are situations...

I no longer feel safe revealing my location. The authorities may spy on me...

> Have you ever been banned from a website? Yes, a couple of times.

@Cerberus yeah yeah yeah. So why do rules exist if there are situations where they don't apply?

@Cerberus bah go away with your logic.

> I haven't seen her in ages. — Oh, I have seen her, but it wasn't a pretty sight. I think it was a few months ago.

The "indeterminate past".

Anyway, that situation is obviously very different from the one in the question.

2:10 PM

Next Sat is Nov. I am very excited. I think I will start running in Nov, lol.

As indicated by the other possibility's being "is banned".

I agree.

In other news, I have decided to use lol and not LOL in this chat.

@RegDwigнt Without a marker of time, you have to assume she is still banned.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> She has been banned several times this week

^ does not mean she is currently banned

2:10 PM

We already went over that.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 again, as I said to Cer, it also does not mean that "is banned" is an option.

The spam is gone, very fast.

At any rate, it's a dupe of a dupe, so wevs.

@JasperLoy Have you considered using neither lol nor LOL?

@Cerberus No. I think lol is a good thing to use.

2:12 PM

@Cerberus stop giving him ideas. He'll use lOl now.

In fact, Maria has been infected by me to use lol as well.

Are you happy now?

Does it make you proud?

Now, I learnt to use lol from an ex-Maria.

You should have taught her to use amaranthine or something.

@RegDwigнt Arg!

2:13 PM

Or Fedora. The best distro ever.

Or...Wapple.

What is that?

Sounds like a disease.

It is sad that Apple does not have a full office suite.

Doctor doctor make these wapples go away.

A distro that combines the best features of Windows and Apple.

2:14 PM

Haha.

I'm sure you know what those would be.

Just like Hungary combines the best features of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?

If Apple had something like Office, I might consider using a Mac. Yes, I know there is Microsoft Office for Mac.

Yay!

I read about how Jobbik is probably partly funded by Russia.

With that name...

It basically means "Fukker" in Russian.

2:15 PM

"The Right Choice" is what it means, right?

Huh?

Though of a much more offensive register.

@Cerberus uh in Afrikaans perhaps.

I struggle to think of a language where I'd parse it that way.

Now that Ubuntu Mate 14.10 has been released, they might go back and produce Ubuntu Mate 14.04 LTS, since many people like the LTS.

@RegDwigнt Hungarian?

I don't even know who the LTS is.

> The word Jobb in Hungarian has two meanings, the adjective for "better" and the direction "right"; the comparative Jobbik therefore means both "the more preferable choice" and "more to the right". This is similar to the English phrase "right choice", which could mean both "a choice on the right side of the political spectrum" and "a correct choice".

2:17 PM

@Cerberus oh.

From Wikipaedia.

Well. It still means Fukker in Russian.

Haha.

What would be fucker?

You can drive around in your Pajero all you want, the name still means what it means.

Who's your Pajero?

2:18 PM

I considered learning Russian a few days ago, but gave up the idea. I will just try to learn French and German.

@Cerberus I am not saying that. Or writing. Or transcribing.

Is it like your pajamas, but singular?

@RegDwigнt Sure you will.

@Cerberus You misspelled pyjamas, since you use BrE.

I needed to, in this context.

@Cerberus Mitsubishi called one of their 4x4 jeep models that. It means "wanker" in Spanish.

2:20 PM

Ah, cute.

Mazda called one of their models Laputa, which means "the whore".

In other news, I have decided to stick to using BrE spelling for life, instead of AmE, unless I change my mind again, lol.

@RegDwigнt I actually wonder whether that made any difference in sales. Probably not.

@JasperLoy I will remind you of it.

Most recently, Audi named an electric vehicle of theirs "e-tron". Which in French means "pile of shit".

@Cerberus they changed the name for those markets.

@Cerberus I think I should be able to use BrE even in the US.

2:21 PM

Well, everything always means something obscene in some language.

Not "Cerberus"!

@RegDwigнt Tsk.

@RegDwigнt It means "spotted" in Greek...

@JasperLoy Of course, why shouldn't you?

And then there's Chevy Nova, which means "does not go".

Basically, in Spanish no car works at all.

It's about an hour left till the last bus or train leaves. I should get going soon. Need to shit and shower and then go to town, lol.

@Cerberus which is about as offensive as "daffodil".

2:23 PM

@JasperLoy By the way, it is always better to write it out in full rather than abbreviate it, especially if there is a lower-case letter before an upper-case one in the abbreviation...

@RegDwigнt Hilarious.

@Cerberus Have you typed this into the wrong window? I'm missing the context.

@RegDwigнt How dare you daffodil me!!

@RegDwigнt In the wrong window =~ to Jasper.

Same difference.

Yeah.

At any rate, at least Poland seems to have become more moderate.

One of the crazy twins died in the Russian plane accident.

Well. They lost half their government.

Jinx.

2:26 PM

That helped, perhaps.

Нет худа без добра.

But I think they were still slightly better than Fidesz currently, constitution-wise?

But pehaps worse in other areas.

At any rate, they seem to have been marginalised.

@RegDwigнt Nyet chuda byez dobra?

Dobra = good?

Yeah.

Nyet = no?

There is no bad without good.

2:28 PM

Ahh.

Every cloud, silver lining, yada yada.

Yada indeed.

Or Yetta, even.

Even double edged swords are double edged swords.

@Cerberus do you mean Yalta? Your Yeltsin is showing.

The other side of the medal, in Dutch.

Two sides to every coin, still yada.

2:30 PM

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Oh that Yetta.

I've been meaning forever to look up what that actress actually looked like.

She was obviously like fifty years younger than the rôle.

Probably!

Hm. Okay. Today she actually does look like the rôle...

But Sylvia is my favourite, with her insatiable appetite.

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2:33 PM

> Referral Denied

google.de/…

@Cerberus stupid imdb.

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She looks younger.

That's not the first photo I posted.

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I know.

Yes, she does look a bit like the real one...

@JasperLoy start slow. and not long.

2:38 PM

Slart stow, and lot nong.

That is, don't try to run too far at first or too fast.

and then build up slowly.

I've discovered an easy way to make Viet nam ease.

also, don't worry about having to run the whole way, you can alternate running and walking.

yesterday, by RegDwigнt

But I've killed enough time for today. Let me do something else. Lators.

user116848

I used to run far without proper warm-up. And it would give me bad cramps.

2:39 PM

also, more unaskedfor advice, alternate days, run, not run, run. etc

user116848

yeah

user116848

I think sometimes running is more fun than driving a good car.

user116848

Although I never drive.

@Arrowfar yep. at least do some light stretching, jumping around for a couple minutes first.

user116848

I use public transport.

2:41 PM

@Mitch crappy pic, tasted ok.

user116848

@Mitch Yeah that helps a lot.

@JohanLarsson neat stove. the bright lights obscure the looks of the bread. so I won't judge. As long as it tastes good. What goes in the oven next? !

@Arrowfar also, don't try to start off too fast, it makes you want to give up a lot sooner.

No pizza today, it is ~40 Celsius in here now

Hey babe - I've never been sarcastic in my life! what the hell! :O Also DROLL ?!! DROLL !!! — Joe Blow 4 mins ago

What the

@RegDwigнt Can you just edit out all the crap and put it in a comment?

user116848

2:47 PM

@Mitch Yeah. So I used to like doing sprints, but I lost that habit. Because sometimes it was too crampy afterwards if I didn't stretch properly.

@JohanLarsson Why!

user116848

I think sprints are fun!

user116848

But it takes a toll on the body :-)

@Cerberus We used the fire powered oven to make bread.

@JohanLarsson Gah! And I'm guessing winter will that much worse?

2:50 PM

@JohanLarsson Ohh I see.

That's cool.

No windows?

@Mitch can't parse

It is snow outside though. We are in the north end of Sweden, well north of the arctic circle.

Rain tomorrow according to the forecast. Hope they are wrong, snow > rain.

@Cerberus the opposite in fact.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt That's an urban legend. nova != no va

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@JohanLarsson Oops I missing a word. "And I'm guessing winter will be that much worse?"

I like the winter. I like all seasons except the one between autumn and winter, the one after the leaves fall off the trees, I cal it the black darkness.

svartmörkret in Swedish.

3:01 PM

@JohanLarsson Hah. Hah.

Where I live that season can be ~5 months some years.

@JohanLarsson I agree in general, except that it really sucks when there is a slippery ice plaque on the sidewalks and bike lanes.

@Cerberus sry about the lame.

@JohanLarsson Is that an existing term, or did you make it up?

I made it up

3:03 PM

@JohanLarsson No need to apologise, it was funny enough. But the required answer is "hah. Hah".

Think I have heard it used but can be a boomerang.

Hmm OK.

google.se/…

a few hits

hey ho

this is freaking hilarious: bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168

do the EU think they can get away with slapping a 2 billion euros bill on us with the current UK political situation?

they're either delusional or want the UK to leave

not sure which

@JohanLarsson That link is weird: the # doesn't work for me.

3:11 PM

@JohanLarsson what's the swedish view on europe? still pretty europhile? and what's the level of knowledge of the uk political situation?

3:22 PM

I start with the second question: I have very little idea about the situation in uk.

But then I don't watch news nor do I read newspapers. My only exposure to the world is from lurking in chats.

@JohanLarsson Low hangs your tired old sun in the sky there, for even at noon she can barely lift herself two hands above her bed of night, and though it be wan her light is in this season ever golden and beautiful, commending all it touches to the photographer’s eye.

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@Jez They're billing us another €650 million. It is very strange.

@tchrist Your words?

Of course.

nice words

3:25 PM

Thank you.

One view I have on EU is that it must be extremely inefficient to have that many politicians in one place.

user116848

@tchrist Yeah, nice words. Starred!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> "If people think I am paying that bill on 1 December, they have another thing coming," the prime minister said in Brussels

Another think.

Not another thing

geez

He's lost my vote

Maybe he will send them another thing instead.

@Cerberus they're going to push the UK out of europe. lol.

what with that and making it very clear there is no budging on open doors migration

this is like 2 big slaps in the fact to the British voter

and we were already skeptical

3:27 PM

what is the situation in the uk?

@JohanLarsson I don't know, I think they have fewer officials than the government of a large country. The EU budget isn't that large, all in all.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You only get to vote for Lizzy anyway.

Reykjavík

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I don't get to vote for her. I'm stuck with her despite not wanting her.

@JohanLarsson Recent polls showed 56% in favour of staying within the EU.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really!

I thought monarchs were voted in.

And I thought you loved the monarchy.

By the way, until yesterday I was sure Canada had 50 million inhabitants. Why did I think that??

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Were you including the moose population?

3:30 PM

Is it that large?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Or maybe you lumped in some of the northern blue states that would probably be happier here anyway

Perhaps I was including the population of language quibbles in Québec.

@Cerberus question then is how much do they produce :)

@JohanLarsson How much of what?

of useful stuff

3:34 PM

Probably about as much as most central governments!

Good morning!

Good morning Canada!

applauds

I turned eighteen yesterday.

So now I can vote, drink, smoke, buy lotto tickets, etc.

@Mahnax Happy birthday!

@ProgramFOX Danke!

Dank, rather.

3:37 PM

Happy dri...I mean, voting!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax Happy Birthday! Finally, we can talk to you like an adult, instead of condescending to you like a child.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right? I'm so excited to finally be a part of the club.

@Cerberus stern look

Last night I responsibly consumed one alcoholic beverage.

How very responsible!

I have school today, but I still wanted to celebrate, so I had one St. Ambroise Pumpkin Ale.

The people at the liquor store didn't ID me, though. So what's the point, really?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Aw, that's too bad.

3:40 PM

Hah, you look old already!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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It might have been because I walked right in and requested something very specific.

But fear not! My friend still has to show her ID sometimes when buying cigarettes. She is exactly twice the smoking age.

user116848

@Cerberus No way! :D

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I still think it's gone too far.

@Arrowfar nods

3:42 PM

@Cerberus There's a sign at the local corner store (where most people buy their cigarettes) that says "If you don't look like Gord, you'll be asked for identification." The sign has a picture of an obviously elderly dude. So even middle aged people should be IDed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I posted that for you

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I feared as much.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax The policy is usually that they intend to card anyone who looks under 30

@Mahnax But of course you know people are too lazy!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah. This specific store seems to be really religious about it, because "Gord" looks more than double the usual thirty years of age.

3:44 PM

@JohanLarsson we're highly euro-sceptic, probably the most in the EU

we have 250,000 a year net immigration

we want to control EU borders because that's half our immigration, the EU says "hell no"

now today they charge us £1.7 billion LOL

what is the population of uk?

62 million or something?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax Where I used to work people would get annoyed when I asked for ID, so I posted a sign that said EVERYONE had to present ID for cigs. Then I carded this guy who was probably twice as old as Gord just for giggles.

@JohanLarsson Right around a baker's dozen, probably.

comparing land mass, i reckon it's like the USA having a 15-20 million increase in population per year. except that the USA is much less densely populated than we are

3:46 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You monster.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

He deserved it

@Jez I think Sweden had 120k immigrants last year. Population still < 10M I think.

well Swedish immigration is a basket case too

i feel sorry for you guys, you don't even have much in the way of euro-sceptic political parties. The Sweden Democrats, maybe?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Immigration is great! Bring 'em all in!

@Jez I don't know much about it really.

3:47 PM

Anyway, off to class with me. Thanks for the b-day wishes. Passez une bonne journée!

fwoof

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is that a joke?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jez No.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well try living in an already-overcrowded country with large ghettoes that dont speak your language anymore and saying that

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The city I live in is 51% foreign born.

but do they integrate? and what city is that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:49 PM

@Jez oh, "don't speak your language"... I'm sorry. Learn a few more languages, then.

@Jez Toronto

like 200?

ahhh, well Canada invented multiculturalism. god help us. i hope we can get back to an integrationist policy over here. do what you want.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jez oh please. You are exaggerating. There is no way you would find practical use for more than half a dozen languages in your daily life, even if you tried really hard.

as far as im concerned, it's the best way to destroy your own culture

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 speaking to various people in london. anyway, even learning 6 languages is ludicrous

1 or 2 during childhood is practical, for the vast majority

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jez And do you not think that the children of those immigrants will learn English? hint: they do.

nope, not with multiculturalism. there's also the issue of overcrowding. Canada is massive. England is not.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:53 PM

Lol, "massive". As if people are in a hurry to live in the great plains or the tundra.

even the habitable regions

still masssive compared to the uk

(not that global warming isn't increasing their size)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jez The evidence does not support your idea that the children aren't learning the local language. It's been studied. They learn it.

we're perfectly within our rights to want to control our borders

your view is a small minority one in the uk. good thing too. :-)

we're going to get out of the EU

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah, you're perfectly okay to be xenophobic.

it's your right

Frankly the only argument you've made that's not based on fear is "overcrowding".

and you're perfectly ok to throw the standard insults

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:55 PM

I'm not sure the UK has reached any sort of "overcrowded" status.

i'm also a bigoted racist, you forgot those

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I didn't say that because "race" isn't the issue here, it's foreigners.

England is the 2nd most densely populated region in Europe, and one of the most densely populated countries in the world, especially if you excluse micro-states

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You're afraid that your "culture" will be "Destroyed" by "immigrants" who "dont' speak English".

foreigners not wanting to integrate, yes, and sheer numbers and crowding.

yeah. basically.

and in many areas, it already has been.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:56 PM

All arguments to emotion.

LOL

try visiting London, Peterborough, Luton, or Slough sometime

you might get some idea.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah I'm sure those places are exactly like Bombay or Hong Kong now.

I don't think anyone think it is desirable to have large numbers of uneducated immigrants in a very short time.

The question is, is that what will happen to England?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, now you're raising the issue of the education level of immigrants.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Bombay? that's still got mostly an Indian culture.

3:58 PM

And, if so, what would be a proportionate response?

@Cerberus it's what HAS happened.

we have two. hundred. and. fifty. thousand. net increase per year. thru immigration.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That is the core of the issue.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus If it's core, why didn't Jez mention it?

we have five. hundred. thousand. immigrants per year

for the love of god.

immigration has increased tenfold since the early 90s, when it was about acceptable

(given the size of our country, it's about what the US gets now)

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