English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

The Three-Date Rule is a dating rule of thumb which states that the third date is a milestone in determining whether a woman or man will consent to sexual intimacy. The Blink-182 song "Wendy Clear" talks about the three date rule being stale (by the 90's). A columnist at msn.match.com claims there is no 3-date rule for people over 50. An anonymous poll carried out by msn.match.com among 5,237 singles suggests that in general there is no such rule, judging from the answers to the question, "How many dates does it take before you become intimate?" *One: 12.74% *Two: 24.94% *Three: 21.48...

EnglishMaster

That Wiki doesn't explain much =D.. I want to master this topic

Matt Эллен

well, there isn't a dating.se and I'm not the person to ask

RegDwigнt

1:13 PM

Wow. I could write a better wiki on that. I could write a better wiki on anything. Come to think of it, I have.

Matt Эллен

!!urban three-date rule

KitSox

@MattЭллен three date rule guideline imposed by fabulous wannabe modern single women regarding timeline for having sex with prospective boyfriends/husbands. Akin to the mandatory waiting period required for gun purchases. Allows women an evaluation period to checkout said husbands to evaluate their worthyness and future potential while simultaneously assuaging their own guilt about slutty behavior if they sleep with prospective husbands too quickly

RegDwigнt

Much better.

And the spellings are a nice touch, as always.

Damkerng T.

I'm sure this infographic is not advanced enough.

EnglishMaster

So it takes approximately 3~4 dates

RegDwigнt

1:15 PM

Dress code: dressy? Who wrote this turd?

Damkerng T.

Definitely not by me. :-)

EnglishMaster

Does time it took to go on a next date matters?

RegDwigнt

@DamkerngT. another utterly useless statistic.

EnglishMaster

Shoot, I'm kinda influenced by Aus too, so I guess that statistic applies to me too

RegDwigнt

"50% of people do X!" Well guess what, that means that just as many people do not.

EnglishMaster

1:20 PM

When she asked me about my six pac existance, I should have cracked a joke saying "You wanna check it out tonight?"

RegDwigнt

That is only a joke if you are fat.

Otherwise it's just an invitation.

EnglishMaster

crap

+ Kim Jung Un

Matt Эллен

well... that's only true in so far as some dead woman doesn't want you

RegDwigнt

Hitler was also a vegetarian. You are literally more bloodthirsty than Hitler.

tchrist

god

won

RegDwigнt

1:26 PM

WB is back up.

EnglishMaster

So those extraterrestrial life forms called "woman" will let you make love if she believes you are a prospective BF or husband

and you don't have to be in BF status

g'morning everyone

Helloes.

Herro!

i like how the wiki on "three date rule" jumps from "four dates" to "marriage"

because obviously, after four dates you marry

RegDwigнt

1:30 PM

And then have sex.

Matt Эллен

always. this is why I'm a convicted bigamist seven times over

JSBձոգչ

i have standards. i don't put out until you've married me and had my children.

RegDwigнt

Hence, married with children.

Matt Эллен

@EnglishMaster or you could meet a woman who just wants to have sex without the romance.

EnglishMaster

What?

Matt Эллен

1:31 PM

what?

RegDwigнt

Whore?

Matt Эллен

Only if she asks you to pay up front

RegDwigнt

If she doesn't, she ain't much of a whore.

I wonder why people bother titling their questions "American English". Why not simply "Question Title".

I should do that some time. I don't think either word is blacklisted.

Matt Эллен

question-title

RegDwigнt

Nonono, you're thinking of question-tag.

Matt Эллен

1:36 PM

Oh. I thought there was somethng more in the title. my mistake

RegDwigнt

doubt-word-language-english

My favorites are still people who literally ask "what is the difference in meaning between X and Y", and then tag it with anything but difference and meaning.

JSBձոգչ

i am thinking of writing a bot that deletes bad tags

RegDwigнt

It's like they really take their time to go to great lengths to tag it with onomatopoeia morphology dog-breeding.

Matt Эллен

:D

tchrist

fox-language animalalia youre-it

RegDwigнt

1:40 PM

I mean, nothing wrong with that, it's just that the rest of the question, and the followup comments, always invariably suggest that "difference" and "meaning" are the highest register they have ever heard of.

"Breeding" is not a word in their vocabulary.

Yet it is a word in their tags.

Really curious.

JSBձոգչ

for tags, they just hit the keyboard randomly and accept whatever suggestions come up

did TPTB finally kill dating-advice?

it appears that they did

RegDwigнt

As long as they didn't touch mating-advice...

Matt Эллен

yeah. I think it was Simchona, in point of fact

JSBձոգչ

some of my favorite questions were under that tag

sheds a single tear

Damkerng T.

"The notion that phrases like any book which you would want to read are ungrammatical is so utterly in conflict with the facts that you can refute it by looking in... well, any book which you would want to read." -- Umm... Sorry, it was posted in a wrong place. But I think it fits here too.

RegDwigнt

1:42 PM

Just use favorite stars. Noöne can take those away from you.

tchrist

hipponyms

RegDwigнt

@DamkerngT. then again, Martha Stewart.

Which is not to say I would want to read her.

But millions upon millions.

EnglishMaster

Do you know which Reddit category has less disgusting posts but similar to WTF page ones?

JSBձոգչ

@DamkerngT. what are you referring to?

RegDwigнt

@EnglishMaster Watch People Die?

Actually, it is less disgusting... Seriously.

Damkerng T.

1:45 PM

@JSBձոգչ I was noting down some nice sayings in itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001461.html

EnglishMaster

That sounds super disgusting but I'll try

tchrist

@RegDwigнt It’s a cleverness contest.

RegDwigнt

I've been a subscriber for a long time.

Mitch

@tchrist successfully trolled

RegDwigнt

To both.

Mitch

1:45 PM

I looked that up.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist yes. Contest. Not Q&A.

As I said, why is there nothing like that for poems or pix.

tchrist

There can be no objective measurement of those.

JSBձոգչ

aha. language log.

tchrist

But one can count strokes in code golf.

JSBձոգչ

always a treasure trove

Damkerng T.

1:47 PM

Yep

RegDwigнt

@tchrist it's subjective as hell, too, because everyone can use any language.

Mitch

and do.

tchrist

Strokes count only within the same language.

RegDwigнt

Oh?

Ok.

tchrist

Well, if you’re sorting.

RegDwigнt

1:47 PM

Well. Off I go submitting Java, then.

tchrist

No no no. The goal is the fewest strokes.

Not the greatest number of them.

Selecting Java automatically FAILs the stroke-count studliness metric.

Never trust a language without a macro processor.

At one job I wrote some Java code that ran through cpp first from its Makefile to get some stuff done.

I relish what became of it: given over to Java Windows programmers to try to maintain, who didn’t understand the C preprocessor to save their lives.

Mitch

@tchrist what if it is just a macro processor?

tchrist

@Mitch I’ve done systems programming in m4.

And I don’t mean sendmail configs, either.

Although there is that.

Mitch

I wrote a event handler for a satellite heat exchanger in LaTeX.

KitFox

I forgot all about the dog breeding question.

JSBձոգչ

1:51 PM

@Mitch i am impressed

KitFox

@Mitch That's hawt.

tchrist

@Mitch Impossible. Latex breaks down under heat-stress.

Matt Эллен

But have you programmed cisterns with Pb204?

Mitch

IKR! Chicks dig that shit.

@MattЭллен Does it count if not everyone died?

Matt Эллен

yes

Mitch

1:53 PM

Nice.

@JSBձոգչ hmmm...how hyperbolic can I go and still have people think it is even possible

KitFox

Have you ever pounded a six inch spike through a board with your penis? A girl's gotta have her standards.

Mitch

I've seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion....

Matt Эллен

I wrote an adding mechanism in HTML and CSS

tchrist

JSBձոգչ

i once wrote a multitasking operating system with excel macros

KitFox

1:56 PM

I once sent a space probe off in the wrong direction because I failed to convert to metric.

Mitch

@KitFox I mean really...that's like asking if you've ever shot yourself in the face. Impressive if you're still standing there, but not much to follow up on even after surgery.

@KitFox That'll work as long as the universe wraps around.

@tchrist One would normally expect so, but this was from NASA, basically another failed Dupont experiment, repurposed.

KitFox

►

Oh yeah, I went there. Kit's calling out the old school.

RegDwigнt

Ohai Kit.

KitFox

Ohai @Reg!

RegDwigнt

Twas but a minute ago that I missed your sock in Gaming chat.

KitFox

2:02 PM

You were in Gaming chat?

RegDwigнt

The Bridge

General Arqade Chat. We tried to leave once, but the door lock...

5

Yes, because of a flag.

Then people started pinging me.

KitFox

You can call her over there. From any room where she resides, use !!summon [room number]

RegDwigнt

And I was telling them to stop.

KitSox

HAMMERTIME!

RegDwigнt

@KitFox but she no resides there?

KitFox

2:03 PM

She's here and maybe four other rooms.

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

KitFox

This is her primary residence.

But she will go there if you summon her.

RegDwigнt

Now I'm confused.

KitFox

You just have to do it from where she is listening.

RegDwigнt

Ah!

KitFox

2:03 PM

She's not in the Bridge now, right?

RegDwigнt

OKAY!

Lemme try, then.

!!summon 35

tchrist

@KitFox That sends her to that room?

RegDwigнt

It has wurked. Thank you Kit.

tchrist

come/go, teach/learn, bring/take, summon/?????

RegDwigнt

Kill.

Matt Эллен

2:05 PM

facinate

RegDwigнt

Rid.

tchrist

Banish?

Abjure?

Dismiss?

Matt Эллен

probably dismiss

unsummon

!!define unsummon

KitSox

@MattЭллен My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.

tchrist

Summon seems a hither thing, not a thither thing.

RegDwigнt

2:06 PM

Unsummen is German for "huge amounts of money".

tchrist

Haunt?

Fork?

RegDwigнt

The repo.

Matt Эллен

summon means "come here" so the other would be "go there"?

RegDwigнt

There is too specific.

Go away. Get lost.

tchrist

@MattЭллен Yes.

Although I think she only forks.

Rather, she projects herself there as well as here, being like a god in two places at once.

Matt Эллен

2:09 PM

!!

KitSox

@MattЭллен I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean. Use the help command to learn more.

tchrist

Manifest!

Inhabit.

Matt Эллен

!!is it that time of day again?

KitSox

@MattЭллен No

KitFox

@tchrist unsummon.

Mitch

2:10 PM

@KitFox Sounded familiar...um...as a movie line.

KitFox

@tchrist Yes.

JSBձոգչ

"dispatch" in place of "summon"?

KitFox

@RegDwigнt You are welcome.

JSBձոգչ

"goto"

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Too much like 'kill'

Mitch

2:11 PM

"come from"

I didn't write it.

@JSBձոգչ sure

!!goto

that's no excuse.

@JSBձոգչ I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean. Use the help command to learn more.

tchrist

2:12 PM

God helps those who help themselves.

KitFox

grumbles

Matt Эллен

!!listCommands

KitSox

@MattЭллен help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, lego, legopart, nuke, nsa, nano, wordwar, listcommands, parentuser, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, afk, awsm, color, convert, define, findcommand, fuckable, get, github, google, hang, inhistory, learn, keister, mustache, nudge, spec, stat, summon, unsummon, timer, todo, undo, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd, youtube (page 0/0)

KitFox

Someone has been playing with my bot.

RegDwigнt

I need a comment uptick here and here to get another hat.

tchrist

2:12 PM

muy interesante

KitFox

!!help keister

KitSox

@KitFox keister: User-taught command: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/keister

RegDwigнt

I almost got there all by myself.

tchrist

!!help fuckable

KitSox

@tchrist fuckable: Calculates the lower boundary according to age/2+7 rule. /fuckable age

KitFox

2:13 PM

Who did that?

Mitch

@KitFox We didn't have excuses when we were welding nand gates repairing an ALU on an oil rig 5 miles under water...left handed.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox noone in this room

possibly in another

KitFox

Hmm.

She's only in a few rooms.

tchrist

A fossil of yesteryear.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I was wrong

RegDwigнt

2:14 PM

You should have a log.

Matt Эллен

it was @Robusto

Dec 28 '13 at 18:38, by Robusto

!!learn keister http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/keister

RegDwigнt

One reason more to keep a log.

KitFox

I'm sure there is a log.

Matt Эллен

!!keister

KitSox

@MattЭллен merriam-webster.com/dictionary/keister

KitFox

2:14 PM

Pretty sure.

I never took her all the way apart, but...

Matt Эллен

!!log

KitSox

@MattЭллен I don't understand. Use the help command to learn more.

tchrist

►

KitFox

Oh shit. Coffee with the VP in ten minutes and it's across campus. Also, like -10 here.

bbl

tchrist

Bai!

RegDwigнt

2:15 PM

@tchrist a solid start.

You are helping.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox cu

!!help inhistory

KitSox

@MattЭллен inhistory: Grabs a historical event from today's date or a date given in MM-DD format. /inhistory [MM-DD]

KitFox

@tchrist Remind me, I'll put that in.

Matt Эллен

!!inhistory 02-12

KitSox

@MattЭллен undefined

@MattЭллен That format confuses me! See /help inhistory

@MattЭллен undefined

RegDwigнt

2:18 PM

!!has Arperum been drunk?

KitSox

@RegDwigнt Were you trying to invoke me? Use the help command to learn more.

RegDwigнt

Hm. How do you ask her questions?

Used to be possible.

tchrist

@KitSox What is your name?

@KitSox What is your favorite color?

RegDwigнt

Exhibit A.

And B.

tchrist

You can still ask her questions.

I just did so.

RegDwigнt

2:19 PM

!!how many years has Arperum not been drinking?

KitSox

@RegDwigнt I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean. Use the help command to learn more.

RegDwigнt

Nope.

So question words are not the key, either.

!!ask how much is 1+1?

KitSox

@RegDwigнt I'm not so sure anymore. It can go either way

RegDwigнt

!!ask is Apperum seeing things?

KitSox

@RegDwigнt Probably

Matt Эллен

2:22 PM

!!will the bell toll for thee?

KitSox

@MattЭллен All signs point to yes

RegDwigнt

Interesting. "Ask" isn't it, either.

She only answers one question in two.

For the other she suggests to use "afk" instead.

Matt Эллен

!!are you trying to confuse Reg?

KitSox

@MattЭллен Probably

Matt Эллен

!!Can you stop?

KitSox

2:24 PM

@MattЭллен Impossible

HAMMERTIME!

RegDwigнt

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by Blem-ba Fett

This is something @JohanLarsson.

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by Blem-ba Fett

Cute until you realize which legs are real:

Johan Larsson

hmm, not sure what to say

RegDwigнt

You're under no obligation to comment.

Mitch

Don't tell him that.

MετάEd

Morning.

Matt Эллен

2:36 PM

Thursday.

RegDwigнt

Hello!

MετάEd

@MattЭллен A.D.

Or C.E. Whatever you like.

Matt Эллен

2:49 PM

2014YSAAZY

RegDwigнt

I think I'll go shopping. CU lators.

Matt Эллен

CU

I think I'll stay in work for a couple more hours

Noah

Hi

What's the difference between "disclose to" and "disclose with"?

Matt Эллен

I'll disclose this to you

I'll disclose this with my fists

I'll disclose this with accompanying documentation

Noah

so saying "you cannot disclose this with anyone" is wrong?

Matt Эллен

2:59 PM

yes

"you cannot discuss this with anyone"

"you cannot disclose this to anyone"

Noah

Then why do we have many many examples of disclose with on Google Books?

Matt Эллен

I don't know

Noah

I don't know either.

But I have heard the wrong version often.

But your explanation does make sense.

Matt Эллен

ngrams yields 0 results for "disclose this with"

Noah

what about simply "disclose with"

Matt Эллен

3:06 PM

that would throw up red herrings, because "disclose with" is valid

Noah

But the accompanying part should not be a direct object, right?

Matt Эллен

yeah, I think so

> disclose with regard to the late murder

> The written reports shall call for sufficiently detailed information to disclose with reference to a vehicle accident the cause, conditions then existing and the persons and vehicles involved

MετάEd

Last year I decided to add new gender neutral pronouns to my vocabulary. Having failed so badly at that, I think I'll also revise my spelling of there, their, and they're. From now on it's theiyr're.

Matt Эллен

just use "theiyr're" when you're in doubt

Tweeted by Azhar_Lakhani on June 11, 2013 at 4:45 AM

he clearly misspelt your're

Johan Larsson

3:23 PM

Abandoned project, starting new one that is perfect for F#, gonna write it in C#

Noah

Write it in Ruby

Seems like a perfect language with all the gems.

I don't know why anyone would even think about C# or F# or whatever#.

Write it in Ruby

@JohanLarsson Do you see my new glasses? They are cool aren't they?

Johan Larsson

yes indeed

I don't speak any non MS language at all, I'd expect leaving VS to be very painful.

Noah

Oh, I see. you are one of those handcuffed guys who cannot really seem to walk without autocompletion.

:)

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson i believe there is an IronRuby out there

not that I'd ever use Ruby

Noah

MS sucks and and building software on it sucks big time.

Johan Larsson

3:32 PM

@Noah If there ever was one it would be me, my pic should be on the wiki page :)

Noah

I am not a programmer myself, but have played with Python and Ruby a bit.

Johan Larsson

I secretly like MS, not proud of it of course

MετάEd

@JohanLarsson How about B♭ minor.

Noah

I don't know what @MattЭллен's specialty is. But I think he is a Java guy.

Matt Эллен

I'm a C# and Python guy

I've avoided Java for now. I do wonder what it would be like to write an Android app, though

Johan Larsson

3:34 PM

@Noah whoa, easy with the j-word imo

Matt Эллен

:D

I'm slowly getting into node.js

KitFox

3:55 PM

Hi.

Just a reminder to help out with views every so often:

12

Q: What does the fox say?

It is true that as a fox, I should know this, so consider this a spoilers warning. In a recent post, Geek Girl mentions that the mating call of the fox is a series of sharp, eerie barks and that this is called gekkering. This is supported by a citation in Wikipedia, but the reference is not one ...

Last day to help me with this hat.

Kthxbai.

!!define BPMN

KitSox

@KitFox No definition found.

KitFox

!!wiki BPMN

KitSox

Business Process Model and Notation

Business Process Model and Notation (BPMN) is a graphical representation for specifying business processes in a business process model. It is also known as Business Process Modeling Notation. Business Process Management Initiative (BPMI) developed BPMN, which has been maintained by the Object Management Group since the two organizations merged in 2005. As of March 2011, the current version of BPMN is 2.0. Overview Business Process Model and Notation (BPMN) is a standard for business process modeling that provides a graphical notation for specifying business processes in a Business Proces...

KitFox

Oh. I guess I should have known that.

Mitch

4:19 PM

@JohanLarsson jinger?

worse

ooooh. JBoss.

Jables?

Jazz hands? That's the worst I can think of.

Johan Larsson

it is even worse but let's stop here

Jasper Loy

4:34 PM

I am downloading Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 now, there are only 2 mirrors, so it is very slow.

Note that Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME are 2 different distros.

@MattЭллен Are you back at work today?

Matt Эллен

yes

tchrist

@KitFox I’m up to 397 views on my MSO question. I’ve given up on getting that hat on ELU, sigh.

Jasper Loy

I just read the three date rule, lol.

tchrist

@KitFox Meanwhile, you keep going up too fast on illude for me catch to catch you (well, without temporary downvoting) for a Populist, and the Weefil is still 14 from Great Question.

So no gold for me, I fear.

Funny that I don’t care about the badge, just the hat it brings.

Matt Эллен

People don't care about the sun, but they love the aurora

tchrist

4:44 PM

@MattЭллен It’s her rosy-orange clawing fingers that always send shivers up my spine.

Matt Эллен

coronal mass ejections?

MετάEd

The sun can't have nocturnal emissions, sort of by definition.

Matt Эллен