English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

2:00 PM

I didn't make up facade.

What is FF saying here? That you can use began in past perfect?

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A: past perfect tense with the conjunction "and"

Both versions (began and begun) are perfectly normal and valid. Technically speaking, begun here should be preceded by had, but in fact there's no need to repeat it, because there's implied repetition of OP's preceding HAD anyway... I had drawn my gun and [had] started shooting before I reco...

I'm sure he doesn't mean that, but it sounds like he didn't read the question carefully.

tchrist

façade /fəˈsɑːd/.

Etymology: a. Fr. façade, f. face, after Ital. facciata, f. faccia face sb.

1. a. The face or front of a building towards a street or other open place, esp. the principal front. Also attrib. or as adj., of an architectural design concerned with elegance, etc., in the façade of a building alone. Hence faˈçadism, such a practice or principle.

1656-81 in Blount Glossogr.
1717 Berkeley Tour in Italy Wks. 1871 IV. 534 ― We observed the façades of many noble buildings.
1756-7 tr. Keysler’s Trav. (1760) II. 397 ― The inner façade was repaired by Bernini.

@Robusto He’s wrong.

There is no "technically you should have had here" business.

> I had already drunk and swum and sung and run, all before the firing squad came for me.

Robusto

AFK while cleaning out my trunk. And no, I'm not an elephant.

tchrist

You’re unpachyderming.

possible duplicate of Double negation. Technically speaking, "I dont know nothing" is a "double negative", often thought to be "uneducated". Much the same applies to using pretty to mean quite/very/significantly. Using lower-case "i" for first person singular also looks "ignorant" in all but the most informal contexts (it looks pretty bad here! :) — FumbleFingers 18 mins ago

He’s apparently caught a “technically speaking” meme this morning.

Cerberus

2:27 PM

I like FF.

I usually agree with his intuitions and/or way of thinking.

tchrist

Ok.

His last two thingies had “technically speaking” things in them, used in ways that seemed oxymoronic.

I think he probably should have just used supposedly or allegedly or some say, or some such.

I’d rather go picnicking than nitpicking.

RegDwight АΑA

I don't understand the "technically incorrect" part. What does "technically" even mean? — RegDwight АΑA May 23 at 10:37

Cerberus

He appears to mean 'strictly (speaking)'.

Perhaps not the most appropriate word.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Technically speaking, technically is a high-tech word that means "in reference to the technique displayed" (but only in a technical sense).

Hope that clears it up for you.

tchrist

Caesar technically addressed Brutus as he died.

καὶ σὺ τέκνον

Cerberus

2:39 PM

How is Germany today?

Robusto

As Brutus died? I thought it was the other way around? Silly English!

@Cerberus Same as usual. Oh, were you talking to @Reg?

Cerberus

Don't post Greek when I'm on my mobile!

Robusto

And Caesar didn't speak Greek! Especially after being stabbed!

Cerberus

@Rob I was expecting something like 'hot, but thanks.

Robusto

You want "hot butt thanks" — well, you'll not get that here. At least not from me. Maybe @Reg will oblige.

Cerberus

2:41 PM

He is said to have uttered the sentence in question in Greek.

Projection.

Robusto

Is he now? Qualis artifex pereo!

A bit pretentious for someone who was stabbed, like, 25 times.

Cerberus

Are you pereunt? Do tell us how that happened.

tchrist

@Robusto “Caesar didn’t speak Greek”???? WTH? Caesar was no uneducated booby-boy, you know!

Robusto

@Cerberus No, not me. My name is Nero. I mean Nemo. I mean ...

@tchrist I kid.

Cerberus

You mean Odeis-slash-Odysseus.

*Oudeis

tchrist

2:45 PM

Tempus est jocundum, o virgines
Modo cum gaudete vos juvenes!

Oh, Oh, totus floreo!
Iam amore virginali totus ardeo!
Novus, Novus amor est quo pereo!

RegDwight АΑA

And then a Nero comes along
With the strength to carry on,
And you cast your fears aside,
And you know you can survive.
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong,
And you'll finally see the truth
That the Nero lies in you.

Robusto

@Cerberus Speaking of which, the chorus in David Bedford's The Odyssey pronounce Odysseus as "Oh-day-sooss" — is that the correct pronunciation?

tchrist

Welcome to the Poetry Chat

@Robusto IPA me, Bob.

Cerberus

@Rob No, I'm afraid not.

Robusto

@tchrist Mirus mirus mirus amor est quo pereo! (IIRC).

tchrist

2:46 PM

Upsilon as eɪ? Nah.

Robusto

@tchrist You need to be over 21 to drink IPA in this state.

Cerberus

I don't recognize that pronunciation at all, never heard anything like that.

tchrist

@Robusto No, it’s novus novus novus novus est quo pereo.

Robusto

Ah, that's right.

tchrist

quo pereo, quo pereo, quo pereo.

Robusto

2:48 PM

One of my favorite carmina of that burana.

Cerberus

/o.dy.seys/ or /-sews/, rather.

Robusto

Maybe it's impossible to stretch the upsilon in a choral work? Or at least unseemly?

Cerberus

/y/ being French u.

I don't think anyone ever used classical pronunciation in such works.

tchrist

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Cerberus

French/Italian, rather.

tchrist

2:51 PM

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Cerberus

I'm not clicking any videos on my mobile, sorry.

tchrist

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Don’t worry. They won’t scandalize its socks off.

Unless it speaks Latin.

Robusto

I played in Carmina Burana back in the day, btw. I love the flute solo in the Dance. So simple and joyful.

Cerberus

It does...

Nice.

I'm sitting in the coolest room of the house, where my great-great-grandfather used to sit, probably.

Robusto

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Cerberus

2:57 PM

Do I see Aafje Heynis there?

I guess not.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I found that exchange very interesting and thought-provoking.

Robusto

David Bedford. That's a complete live performance of The Odyssey.

Cerberus

@corn Which one? Not the Stack one?

Robusto

We've talked about him before.

Jun 25 '11 at 17:56, by Robusto

@Cerberus: Here's a link: http://wolffifth.blogspot.com/2011/03/va-two-poems-for-chorus-lux-aeterna.html

Cerberus

Ohh I can edit my last line!

Robusto

3:00 PM

Actually, if you do you can never speak again. Otherwise it won't be your last line.

Cerberus

Relativity, dear Watson.

cornbread ninja

@Cerberus the one between tchrist and Mitch.

@tchrist !!

Cerberus

Hey I can see all JSB's special characters! Too bad @Reg doesn't have any.

@Corn Noted.

cornbread ninja

@Robusto carmina.ytmnd.com

Robusto

@cornbreadninja ¡Y tu mama tambien!

cornbread ninja

3:05 PM

salsa cookies

windmill cookies

tchrist

@cornbreadninja Well, that’s what it said. I fixed it though.

@Rob I think you were right that he misread the question.

@tchrist: Rubbish. In your examples, you need at least one initial instance of "had" that can be assumed to have been "deleted" before the later verb forms. Otherwise you'd end up with "I already sung before they shot me", which I suggest is indeed "technically incorrect" even if not everyone recognises it as particularly bad. But no-one endorses "I taken my sleeping tablet before I went to bed" - OP confuses the issue by citing a verb that people are often unsure about. — FumbleFingers 42 mins ago

cornbread ninja

@Robusto I've sung the Habanera.

tchrist

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Q: Is $z/z$ holomorphic in $z=0$?

To be holomorphic require to have derivative at $z\to0$ but $f(z)$ is undefined. Does it mean $z/z$ is not holomorphic at $z=0$?

complex-analysis

Awwwww

No purdy mathy bits in chat.

Robusto

Hava Nagila

“Hava Nagila” () (lit. Let us rejoice) is a Hebrew folk song that has become a staple of band performers at Jewish weddings and Bar/Bat Mitzvahs. History The melody was taken from a Ukrainian folk dance-song from Bukovina (a variant of Hora). It uses the Phrygian dominant scale, common in music of Romania and Western Ukraine. The commonly used text was probably composed by Abraham Zevi (Zvi) Idelsohn in 1918 to celebrate the British victory in Palestine during World War I as well as the Balfour Declaration. Lyrics {| ! align="left" | Transliteration ! align="left" | Hebrew text ! ali...

cornbread ninja

@Robusto Sung that too, but only in my living room.

I have Connie Francis Sings Jewish Favorites.

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tchrist

3:10 PM

@Robusto Did you see that movie?

Robusto

@tchrist ¡No!

tchrist

¡Y tu mamá también!

It is . . . interesting.

Robusto

Wevs. I Anglicize all foreign words now, whether in their original gibberish or not.

tchrist

U fergot furrin then.

Robusto

I not fergit nuthin.

tchrist

3:13 PM

Non-Oxonian Brits consider Anglicize an oxymoron.

Robusto

And we Can't, er, bury them?

tchrist

What’s that, Cantur?

Robusto

Cantwaraburg. Only updated for Oxonian ears of the present.

cornbread ninja

How is gouache pronounced?

Robusto

Douche, of course.

cornbread ninja

3:15 PM

-_-

go-ash?

Robusto

No, like "gwash" ...

cornbread ninja

k.

Robusto

Actually, either way. But smart people use the first pronunciation. The rest don't even know the word.

tchrist

@Robusto Au contraire: Smart people use IPA.

cornbread ninja

The Google Translate robot made the second noise.

Robusto

3:17 PM

Au contrariment: Smart people drink IPA.

cornbread ninja

Actually it was kind of like goo-ATCH.

Robusto

And we all know how good synthesized voices are at pronunciation.

tchrist

ǁ gouache /guːˈɑːʃ/, /gwaʃ/.

Etymology: Fr., ad. Ital. guazzo.

A method of painting with opaque colours ground in water, and mixed with gum and honey so as to form a sort of paste. Also, a painting executed in this way, and the pigment itself.

1882 Artist 12 Feb. 53/2 ― The next step was the exact reproduction of gouache, or water body colour.
1892 Nation 13 Oct. 279/2 ― The title is decorated with allegorical designs painted in gouache.

cornbread ninja

@Robusto You're both wrong. Smart people speak IPA over the radio.

tchrist

Voilà. Por favor.

Robusto

3:18 PM

I rest my case. Also, drink it.

tchrist

@Robusto 👀 𝄽 🚻 🍷

cornbread ninja

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

JSBձոգչ

heh. now i have people talking back to me about my delete votes.

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ Gettin’ lippy are they?

JSBձոգչ

that's okay. i ignore them here from my ebony tower

tchrist

3:22 PM

Awwwww

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A: What is the longest word you can come up with that the letters are all in alphabetical order?

OK, well another Friday, another Perl script. Here’s this week’s: #!/usr/local/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my @alphas; while (<>) { chomp; my @words = split /\s+/; foreach my $word (@words) { $word =~ s/[^A-Za-z]//g; next unless $word =~ /^[A-Za-z]{2,}$/;...

JSBձոգչ

^ the lair from which i cast my close votes

tchrist

That doesn’t look like Minas Morghul to me.

Looks more like Dol Guldur.

JSBձոգչ

who said anything about minas morghul?

this is chrono trigger, not tolkien

tchrist

@Rob, you really are falling behind you know.

Oddly, it disagrees with itself.

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Q: How to make the genitive of a person's name with "OF"?

We built an engine for the boat of Mr. Sander or We built an engine for the boat of Mr Sander's ?

genitive

NS sock?

I am out of review votes.

I am out of delete votes.

I am out of close votes.

I am out of votes.

I am out of NS socks to flag.

My work here is done.

I am out.

cornbread ninja

4:37 PM

howdy @MattЭллен

I started writing my blag post last night. 0_0

Matt Эллен

Excellent!

I've spent today entertaining my parents. They've gone now

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен Couldn't hold their attention, eh? ;)

Matt Эллен

@cornbreadninja no, sadly they got bored and left. something about dinner or some such

I didn't think parents needed food

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен that was a lie; they sustain themselves on our failings!

Matt Эллен

Phew! Mine will never run out of food :D

cornbread ninja

4:48 PM

On an only slightly lighter note, I think my blag post is too academic compared to existing posts, or is that forgivable? The issue of course being that I am under-qualified to bloviate academically about typography.

Matt Эллен

It's fine. I think the blog could do with a wide range of styles

plus you've got time to work it into something you prefer too, if you don't like the first draft

cornbread ninja

k.

@tchrist The blog header looks different from that of main and meta. Is it just bold?

It's more tightly kerned.

Cerberus

Hello English people.

cornbread ninja

Time to break fast!

howdy @Cerberus!

Cerberus

We're playing croquet very Englishly.

Matt Эллен

4:53 PM

@cornbreadninja yes, it is more squat and the border is closer in

cornbread ninja

@Cerberus Brilliant!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus good show old sport!

cornbread ninja

@Cerberus tea and scones?

Cerberus

Is there a good English word for the typical seating area in a circus or stadium?

Beer and crisps, alas.

Matt Эллен

the stands?

(ironically)

cornbread ninja

4:55 PM

Flag Question is grayed out for me for custom flag. :(

Cerberus

Stands? What does that mean exactly in this context?

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus > 4a large raised tiered structure for spectators, typically at a sporting venue: United’s manager watched from the stands

Cerberus

Ah! That actually sounds good.

Matt Эллен

glad to be of service my liege

Cerberus

How come I don't often hear this word? Perhaps because I never watch sports...

Would you say it is common?

Matt Эллен

4:58 PM

that probably has a lot to do with it

@Cerberus it is the word for it, I can't think of another. Other than seating. Yes, I would say it is a common word in sports

when I did my sponsored cycle we set of from the west stand of the rugby club.

Cerberus

Ok thanks!! So each ehm structure is a stand?

Matt Эллен

yes. Plurality is somewhat odd in that you might get away with saying "they're sitting in the stands" if there is only one stand. I'm not 100% on that.

What would you call it in Dutch?

Cerberus

Tribune.

Matt Эллен

:D Google translate gives me stand!

Cerberus

You could say they're sitting on the tribune even if there are several structures, and mean the collective; or you could say there are several tribunes.

Good!

I'm in the country on my phone.

Matt Эллен

5:11 PM

Congrats. You seem to have good reception

Cerberus

On the not-really-a-stand, watching the croquet.

Matt Эллен

you're not playing croquet?

Cerberus

Yes, Vodafone has three bars H, T-Mobile only 1G. No I'm not playing, it's extremely hot and they're mainly playing in the sun.

What you're doing?

Matt Эллен

it's quite hot here too. you need to keep your complexion pale, else people will think you a common worker, eh?

@Cerberus well, I'm deciding about going to a gig. I also want to write some blogs

so, just sitting really

Mahnax

Hello everyone.

Cerberus

5:20 PM

What kind of gig? If you can handle the heat, go!

Hello western hemisphere.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus Reel Big Fish are playing. I haven't seen them in years.

Mahnax

Oh, @Cerb, I have a question for you!

Cerberus

5:32 PM

Ask away!

RBF sounds familiar.

I may have listened to them in the past.

Mahnax

Is that thing that you have that converts imperial to metric an addon/extension/plugin?

Or is it AHK?

Cerberus

By the way, there is this very English game where you throw balls, like jeu de boules: what is it called again? Balls? @mahn I use a greasemoney script, and it only does temperatures; for the rest I search Google for '3 inch in cm'.

'4 USD in cad', etc. etc.

Mahnax

I totally know that game, but I can't think of the name right now.

Bocce ball?

Hm, maybe not.

According to Wikipedia, it's bocce in Italy.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus bowls

anyway, I'm go to the gig. CYA!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

good afternooooooon!

Mahnax

5:46 PM

Hello @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

how are things

Mahnax

I'm alright. I have to look after my siblings today while my parents go out and taste wine.

How are you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

not bad. painted some trim. now I'm procrastinating by doing a writers.se exercise. except I'm procrastinating that by reading programmeryangosling.tumblr.com

Mahnax

Hahaha, I love that site.

Cerberus

@Matt Thanks! Have fun!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:58 PM

so @Cerb, you've had the GN for a while now, what are your thoughts?

Cerberus

I love it! The battery sucks, of course, but that's what I expected. You?

It's 8 pm and I will soon need to charge again.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

my battery life is pretty good. Better than my old phone, I suspect

Cerberus

I don't think any phone with a comparable screen and weight will do better.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but I am usually at home where I have wifi on

and a cell signal

so it doesn't spend lots of time scanning

I think the GSIII is probably better. It has 2x ram and 2x cpu

at least, the one in Europe does

stupid US/CA version is dual-core

and now that my old Nexus S is unused, i've been flashing the hell out of it

it's perfect for testing software

I discovered that if you have a QR scanner installed, you can scan a QR code for a WIFI network and the phone prompts you to join

no need to enter a passphrase

Cerberus

I'm not sure more cores help a lot outside games? Do you ever see any lagging?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:04 PM

now if only the QR reader was built-in...

Cerberus

Yes, you are using this special QR Wi-Fi application? I have heard of it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Load time is sometimes an issue. Granted, you don't notice it until you get a faster phone and then you're surprised that you used to wait so long for stuff to happen

No... well, sorta. There was a QR generator for generating the wifi QR codes. But on stock android phones all I needed was "Barcode Scanner" by zxynga (or whatever)

Cerberus

Does a cpu like this help for loading times?

Yes, that's what I meant.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

more cores can help whenever the OS is multi-tasking. So if one core is loading your app, another can be doing something else, like memory management, while another can be doing background-sync, etc.

so if only the barcode scanner was built-in, I wouldn't need to set up the wi-fi to download it.

Cerberus

Still, I wouldn't expect all that to be very significant when loading a game, but who knows.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:08 PM

well, when loading Angry Birds, the Galaxy S II was much faster than the Nexus S.

I should compare the GN to the Nexus S... I'd have to install some games first.

One thing that annoys me is that the home-screen icons are slightly smaller than on the Nexus S, which leaves more space around the outside, and more space between... but why didn't they just make the grid smaller, so that I could have more than 16 icons??????

Heck, on CyanogenMod I can change the grid size, and get 25 icons on the Nexus S and it looks fine. WTF goog?

Also I'm not happy with how the GN fits in my pocket. I hope phones don't get any bigger than this.

Cerberus

Oh, I should join the others. We'll talk about this more some other time; in any case, I was rather thinking of 2 cores v. 4: the step from 1 to 2 I would expect to be huge.

RegDwight АΑA

@Cerberus for the OVER 9000th time, I do.

Cerberus

You're so easy.

RegDwight АΑA

Ey naugh, reyed.

Cerberus

@Mrs I don't have a real problem with my pockets, except that it feels a bit right while cycling.

RegDwight АΑA

6:14 PM

Just copypaste and google.

Cerberus

Okay, now I have,to go. Later!

RegDwight АΑA

CU

I'm off as well. Lators.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

welp. I've reached the end (or beginning, depending on your point of view) of programmerryangosling. time to get some other stuff done

skullpatrol

7:58 PM

RegDwight АΑA

Jul 27 at 18:43, by RegDwight АΑA

skullpatrol

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cornbread ninja

8:33 PM

omg omg

@Cerberus skee-ball? :D

@simchona, any idea why the 'Flag Question' button is greyed out for me for custom flags only?

Jez

ampersands.

why?

cornbread ninja

@Jez they're lovely.

@Jez they combine surviving Latin with surviving ligature.

user19161

8:50 PM

@cornbreadninja Have you used up your flags for the day?

cornbread ninja

no sir.

It's only grayed for custom.

user19161

Now everyone is calling me sir, strange.

user19161

@cornbreadninja Very strange, madam.

Mahnax

Could we, perhaps, get the "and" in this room's title changed to an ampersand?

RegDwight АΑA

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: aka The Incomprehensible Room (no tags)

Mahnax

9:03 PM

Thanks @Reg!

RegDwight АΑA

Aye.

cornbread ninja

@RegDwightАΑA cheers

Mahnax

Sorry, I should use the sandbox.

cornbread ninja

Aw.

user19161

As I have to say over and over again, it all depends on context, on the effect the speaker is trying to achieve! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 45 mins ago

user19161

9:14 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Thank you for the standardization. Now the internet is a better place.

Robusto

I don't trust people who can't afford a custom-made avatar. Generic is such a cheesy way to go.

user19161

@Robusto Who are you talking about now?

skullpatrol

@RegDwightАΑA How about the "&" in the title of this chat room?

Robusto

I'm hard-pressed to think of a comment XVH makes that doesn't have an exclamation mark or three in it.

user19161

Why does he speak so authoritatively when his English is not excellent?

RegDwight АΑA

9:19 PM

Jul 27 at 11:12, by RegDwight АΑA

Sicheres Auftreten bei völliger Ahnungslosigkeit.

user19161

@Robusto Fortunately, my steelblue is custom-made. Phew!

Mahnax

Hmm, I have had my current avatar for quite some time.

user19161

@Mahnax How did you make it?

Mahnax

@JasperLoy I didn't.

user19161

@Mahnax I made mine, definitely.

Robusto

9:26 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Genau.

RegDwight АΑA

Oh. Now I'm getting flagged as offensive.

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA Where? I want to see...

RegDwight АΑA

This is nonsense. -1. — RegDwight АΑA 28 mins ago

Well I'm not married to it.

Just wanted to provide a reason for my downvote, unlike the three other downvoters.

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA It sounds harsh but it is acceptable.

RegDwight АΑA

It wasn't my intention to sound harsh.

It was, however, my intention to label nonsense as nonsense.

user19161

9:31 PM

I usually don't flag too many things myself, since I believe people should be given more room to express themselves.

user19161

I usually dislike people who flag too much though, because I consider them as overly intolerant.

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA However, there is no reason there really. It is just an unconstructive expression of disagreement.

user19161

Saying "this is correct, +1" or "this is wrong, -1" does not say anything meaningful.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Wofür?

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto read on.

user19161

9:36 PM

@Robusto RTFT.

RegDwight АΑA

@JasperLoy which is precisely why I didn't say "this is wrong".

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA No you!

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Who has time to read anymore?

But this one still makes me laugh:

Apr 8 '11 at 3:13, by Robusto

And my ALL-TIME, NO SHIT, FAVORITE MUSICIAN JOKE EVER:
A young child says to his mother, "Mom, when I grow up I'd like to be a musician." She replies, "Well honey, you know you can't do both."

user19161

@Robusto What's so funny?

Robusto

whoosh

Mahnax

9:39 PM

@JasperLoy headdesk

user19161

Can't one be grown up and be a musician?

Robusto

Stop trying to ruin the joke.

If you don't get it, keep that sad fact to yourself.

user19161

Actually I really don't get it.

user19161

Please explain to me...

Robusto

17 secs ago, by Robusto

If you don't get it, keep that sad fact to yourself.

No explaining jokes in chat.

RegDwight АΑA

9:43 PM

Not sure why everybody's downvoting the OP as well.

That is perhaps a tad harsh.

Robusto

In politics it's called "corpse-fucking."

user19161

I know the joke. The joke is that there is really no joke at all. QED.

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto Politics rules.

@JasperLoy you don't know jokes. Not personally, not from hearsay.

Oh, sorry. QED.

Robusto

Just because you don't know a joke doesn't mean you can't be one.

user19161

@Robusto OK OK. You win.

RegDwight АΑA

9:46 PM

When I grow up I want to be a politics. Also, a joke. I know I can be both.

Robusto

The political term comes from the practice, in Congressional hearings and investigations when a witness completely screws himself on the stand, of senators and representatives on the committee having to put their own opprobrium in the record, often at great length — grandstanding for the cameras, hoping theirs is the indignant outrage that drives a stake through the (now dead) poor idiot's heart. Or nether regions.

RegDwight АΑA

Well yeah. That's what politicians do best. In fact, that's their whole job.

user19161

Now I will be trying to figure out the joke the rest of my life, you guys are so cruel.

RegDwight АΑA

How's that cruel? If you don't figure it out, you'll live forever.

Robusto

We were going to explain it to you, but then you asked us to explain it to you.

user19161

9:56 PM

OMG, I just committed a sin!

Robusto