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12:01 AM
@Mahnax Good good. Then you should not spend too much time here.
 
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12:19 AM
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Q: "These sort of things": is it grammatical? (2,670,000 hits on Google)

Régis RouxI was interested in the following sentence which appeared in an article titled “Colorless, Tasteless but Not Dangerous" by Dwight Garner in The New York Times (November 15, 2010). People who do gravitate toward these sort of things, he warns, sotto voce, might be “the wrong kind of white pe...

 
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I'm really surprised at the answer.
 
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Do you people recommend reading that Swan book?
 
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Q: Is it acceptable to copy prior answers?

Andrew LeachI found a previous question on similar answers and how downvotes should be used. I'd like to ask whether it's acceptable to give answers based on prior answers at all. A question on plagiarism would indcate that it isn't, but that generally focuses on enhancements to prior questions. A side note...

 
user19161
Geezis, things are getting serious!
 
user19161
Sometimes while I'm composing an answer, someone posts first. I just don't want to waste my efforts just because that person clicked a couple of minutes earlier.
 
user19161
12:30 AM
So I don't load that answer and continuing typing and posting only about 5 min later, which is OK I think.
 
user19161
Anything more than 5 min, I would say the answers would have to be substantially different to warrant two different posts.
 
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But if it is a one-word answer like a single word request, then the one posting later should delete his answer obviously.
 
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@MattЭллен I buy nothing second hand, because I buy almost nothing at all. :-)
 
@JasperLoy sticks out tongue
 
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@Mahnax Wow, I realized I just created a huge rectangle in chat!
 
12:39 AM
@JasperLoy Congrats!
 
user19161
@Mahnax If it's too huge, JA may step in and see what's going on.
 
@JasperLoy He's taking a break.
 
user19161
So it's better not to talk too much rubbish at one go.
 
Or rather, he's quit.
 
user19161
But clearly, everything I say is interesting. QED.
 
12:41 AM
chuckles
Getting a little arrogant here, are we?
 
user19161
@Mahnax Nope, only me, not you.
 
@JasperLoy It's an expression.
 
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@Mahnax Oops, right.
 
@JasperLoy Yes. How are you this evening?
 
user19161
@Mahnax Same. It's morning here anyway. When is your first paper?
 
12:43 AM
@JasperLoy Hm, one week from today.
Actually, scratch that.
That's my oral French exam.
 
user19161
@Mahnax So this exam is part of the IB?
 
My first paper is in eight days.
@JasperLoy No, I don't have any of the IB papers this year.
Those start next year.
 
user19161
I'm not saying Andrew is accusing Barrie of anything, but does he really think that Barrie would copy?
 
Hm?
 
user19161
See above meta post.
 
12:45 AM
Oh, that.
I'll read it now, I suppose.
I think that Barrie's answer is worse than Andrew's.
He shouldn't be concerned.
 
user19161
@Mahnax Well, that is not the issue.
 
@JasperLoy I know.
 
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Also see my comments above.
 
But I don't wanna.
No offence, I'm just too uninterested to care at the moment.
 
user19161
Talking about meta I always find the vote a little misleading. For example, if someone posts a feature request, should one downvote because he does not want that feature or should one upvote because that request shows research effort?
 
12:50 AM
Downvote if you disagree.
Votes on Meta are different.
 
user19161
I actually think it should be the latter.
 
user19161
There should then be two answers, one for and one against.
 
user19161
Then people can vote on the answers for or against, just for example.
 
Nah, I don't think so.
 
user19161
Now I will say that again it seems there are different voting patterns if you see enough questions.
 
user19161
12:52 AM
So I guess we just have to guess on a case basis.
 
It's fairly well-established that votes on Meta are different.
Up = agree, down = disagree.
 
user19161
Yes, but they can be diff in diff ways.
 
I still don't see what you're saying.
You want to use the regular Meta system for some and the Main system for others?
 
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I guess I need examples to illustrate, well nvm who cares!
 
OK.
Well, I'm leaving for awhile.
I'll get tea, then study Biology.
 
user19161
12:56 AM
@Mahnax I am going to bed. See you in my dreams!
 
@JasperLoy Uh, alright, I guess!
Sleep well!
 
 
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6:16 AM
@MattЭллен I think it would be very cool to have a chess set where the pawns were, well, prawns.
 
 
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user19161
8:40 AM
@DavidWallace I won't be surprised if there already is such a chess set.
 
The rooks could be big scary black birds.
Apart from the white ones, of course.
 
user19161
I was thinking that they could all be marine animals.
 
That'd be cute.
 
user19161
Maybe the king is an octopus or something.
 
user19161
8:43 AM
These sets look beautiful but are useless for serious play.
 
You're very creative.
 
user19161
One cannot identify the pieces easily. It is too distracting.
 
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@DavidWallace Maybe she was referring to my octopus.
 
@DavidWallace Good to know.
 
user19161
8:48 AM
1k more to go to reach 20k. It is the last lap.
 
You must be very excited.
 
user19161
Yes. I am wondering what will happen then, other than the notification bar appearing
 
user19161
And if you are observant, you will notice that I did not end the previous sentence with a full stop.
 
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Any guesses why?
 
Because you're awesome like that?
 
8:52 AM
You did, if "and" had the appropriate case, which it didn't.
 
It isn't true, but I'm pretty sure that was your intention.
 
user19161
It's because there is a bug in Chrome maybe that did not allow me to type anything else, so I had to press enter.
 
You had to?
 
I can't believe you played with us.
 
user19161
It has happened twice so far. When the line is of some exact length, one cannot press spacebar or full stop or anything.
 
8:53 AM
@DavidWallace yes! exactly what I meant yesterday - prawns for knights :)
 
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Of course I can rewrite the sentence in another way so that that exact length was not reached.
 
No, but the prawns have to be the prawns.
 
user19161
Another bug I notice in Chrome is that sometimes I cannot click on a link. I have to click elsewhere first before anything is clickable.
 
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I always wonder about the difference between prawn and shrimp, just like octopus and squid. Sea animals are awesome like that.
 
8:55 AM
then I guess those should be sea horses
 
Absolutely. I want to make one now.
But I have nary an artistic bone in my body.
 
@DavidWallace all the more reason to try, I find
 
You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
 
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You also can't teach a new dog old tricks.
 
I think you can.
The point is, that if at no point in my life I've ever been able to create anything artsy, I'm hardly likely to be able to start now.
Anyway, it's the sort of thing my sister would do.
 
user19161
8:59 AM
Do any of you experience the two Chrome bugs above?
 
@DavidWallace that's what I say about my brother :) he's the arty one, I'm the programmer. I still try regardless :D
 
@MattЭллен I enjoyed your edit to the "dimples" image for the single-word request question ;-)
 
@JasperLoy not a chrome user
 
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I am very bad at drawing, worse than a kindergarten kid.
 
I am a kindergarten kid :D
 
user19161
9:00 AM
I often wonder why artists can draw the way they do.
 
@JasperLoy practice, talent and desire
 
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@MattЭллен Well said.
 
Which can be said for anything :-)
 
@JasperLoy I do.
 
user19161
9:02 AM
@Gigili Ah, welcome to the Chrome bug club!
 
I need to scroll up to be able to click on a link at the top of a page or something
 
user19161
The only reason I chose it over Firefox is the flash which is supposed to come later this year.
 
@JasperLoy Thank you. Any special feature?
@JasperLoy I guess you said it a thousand times by now.
 
user19161
@Gigili Yes, I like to make small talk like that.
 
@skullpatrol I thought it was just as illustrative, without being... distracting ;)
 
user19161
9:05 AM
But it seems that IE is improving so much that if I use Windows I might use IE.
 
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Although I would use IE, I would almost never use ie.
 
user19161
Latin abbreviations are a perversion of the English language!
 
user19161
Now I am just trolling Cerb.
 
Run away, while there's still hope!
 
You can't troll @Cerberus without @-mentioning him - he doesn't normally read the transcript
 
9:08 AM
I can troll him without @-mentioning him.
 
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I know what downvoting answers are good for, for keeping one's rep at multiples of 5.
 
trolls Cerb without @-mentioning him
 
@Gigili well, if he's here, I suppose you can :p
Is it a troll if the one you intend to troll doesn't know you're doing it?
 
user19161
That is a troll of the first degree!
 
user19161
The amazing thing is that there is almost no info on the internet on how to install from an ISO without USB or disc.
 
9:12 AM
so where would you install it from if not external media?
 
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I once posted a question on askubuntu and got an answer but I never really tried it out.
 
user19161
Download the ISO, make changes to your existing Linux installation so that you can boot into the ISO, and proceed as usual.
 
user19161
This is useful when one's USB and optical disc drives are all damaged for example.
 
so you get your computer to treat an iso on a hard disk as a disk separate from the disk it is stored on?
I've not seen that done at boot
can installation work when your computer's already running?
 
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I don't know the details, but it seems possible. I just found a blog post on it just now.
 
9:15 AM
interesting
 
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9 hours ago, by Jasper Loy
But clearly, everything I say is interesting. QED.
 
@JasperLoy I just found just a blog post just on it just now.
 
I hate FF. I see Jez each time I open a new tab.
 
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@Gigili Why? You use his addons?
 
9:21 AM
 
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@Gigili I see it still shows my old avatar. I changed just a while ago.
 
@JasperLoy wow, that's really interesting. I might try that at home...
 
@JasperLoy That's not my point.
 
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@MattЭллен For me, it's TLDR!
 
user19161
9:23 AM
@Gigili I just love to make small talk like that.
 
@Gigili you could delete that shourcut
 
Ah yes.
 
I hate FF too. Every time I use it, it wants to upgrade.
 
@DavidWallace maybe they're strictly adhering to the breaking change rule - i.e. when changing a public interface makes a breaking change you go up a major version
 
Actually, it's been behaving itself better lately. But I still prefer IE. Call me a cretin.
 
9:30 AM
I should maybe upgrade to IE 10 for testing. IE 8 is still a pile of poop
 
IE ?!?!
 
Internit Exploder
 
Internit?
 
an international nit
 
nit?
 
9:32 AM
yes
 
Nit is what you pick.
 
IE8 is OK. I have IE8 on my laptop and IE9 on my desktop. I can't go 9 on my laptop because it runs XP and is probably not grunty enough for Win7.
 
that nit gets abbreviated to nt is somewhat obtuse
it's already three letters, why shorten it?
stupid scientists
 
What possible use is a nepit? What can you do with 1.44 bits?
 
@MattЭллен So the egg is international? How so?
 
9:46 AM
@Gigili That's a Microsoft trade secret. I don't know for sure but it probably has something to do with being irritating, sucking blood and laying eggs.
 
user19161
10:18 AM
@MattЭллен shortcut
 
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Q: Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia - a real word?

Hi AllIs "hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia" a real word? What does it mean?

 
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NR
 
putting a greeting as your name is an interesting way to do things
 
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Q: what 'if anything' means?

GnijuohzI watch TV series Glee to learn English and came across this phrase : if anything. It's in a sentence Rachel said: "if anything, she is gonna kill all of our chances to achieve that elusive goal(she means nationals by that)" The context is that Mr.shue, the teacher wants to recruit Sugar Mota, ...

 
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I am voting to reopen this question because the dictionary definition is not too clear. Also, David Schwartz has provided a brilliant answer there.
 
10:23 AM
I am sorry to say that I regard both your points as irrelevant.
 
user19161
It's OK.
 
If you have consulted a dictionary and find the definition confusing, be my guest and ask.
 
Hey @Reg, I think I am joining IFS. They are Level 16 and that gives me a higher Artemis drop rate.
 
But if you haven't so much as tried, that's gen-ref.
@Vitaly cool, they have a spot for you?
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Yeah.
 
10:25 AM
They must be desperate!
Accepting someone from a top 70 faction. Tsk tsk tsk.
 
Haha.
 
@JasperLoy I disagree with David's interpretation
I agree with skyline
 
Oh yeah. And that.
But of course I would agree with my sock, so.
 
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@MattЭллен One would need to read all the answers and comment carefully to see if they are equivalent. I have not done so, but it seems to me that David's answer gives the best explanation, but that's just me. Actually I like most of his answers. I declare myself a DS fan!
 
user19161
10:31 AM
I wonder if hi all is just trolling.
 
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I also wonder if the three breast and one testicle OP is just trolling.
 
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@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Yeah, now I know why most of your messages get starred!
 
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Hi!
 
Have you changed your name?
 
10:34 AM
@JasperLoy orly?
 
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@Meysamرهادربند Yes, to what it's supposed to be.
 
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@MattЭллен I forgot the definition of orly.
 
oh, really?
 
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Really? Only?
 
10:35 AM
I will vote for you
 
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Ah!
 
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@Meysamرهادربند What? There is no mod election. I am also not running for mod. What are you talking about?
 
I would vote for you if you were one of the nominees stackoverflow.com/election
 
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@Meysamرهادربند Haha, I am not even on that site!
 
user19161
Deputy badge? Wow, that's a serious requirement!
 
10:38 AM
I've exactly 4000 reps at SO, because I got 2 downvotes yesterday. Unexplained down votes at that.
 
So when is the election held here on EL&U?
 
good question. no one knows
 
user19161
So far I have raised only 42 helpful flags.
 
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And I have capped only 23 times.
 
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I am not even halfway to being epic, let alone legendary.
 
user19161
10:40 AM
I am slightly more than halfway to deputy.
 
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@MattЭллен And you don't know why?
 
I've 105 helpful flags and I've capped 3 times
 
user19161
@MattЭллен But what is it that you flag?
 
@JasperLoy nope. it was a question I asked and answered. a down vote on the the question and another on the answer
@JasperLoy answers, mostly
I guess I flagged questions before I got close votes
 
I have a serious problem.
 
10:43 AM
What is your problem, @Gigili?
 
The structure I learned is: "You really love him, don't you?"
 
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@Gigili Correct.
 
But recently I've seen different structures.
 
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Such as?
 
10:44 AM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, is it?
 
yes, the question tag goes at the end
A question tag or tag question is a grammatical structure in which a declarative statement or an imperative is turned into a question by adding an interrogative fragment (the "tag"). For example, in the sentence "You're John, aren't you?", the statement "You're John" is turned into a question by the tag "aren't you". The term "question tag" is generally preferred by British grammarians, while their American counterparts prefer "tag question". Uses In most languages, tag questions are more common in colloquial spoken usage than in formal written usage. They can be an indicator of politen...
 
Shouldn't it be "isn't it?"?
 
oh, I see
 
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@Gigili The second question mark should be omitted.
 
Let me read the WP article then.
 
10:46 AM
@Gigili the question is a contradiction, presumably, of a statement along the lines of "As you know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
 
@JasperLoy You need to be more careful.
 
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@Gigili Hmm but there might be different rules, I don't know.
 
@MattЭллен So it's correct? It's not the same structure?
 
I would use *isn't it* when I'm unsure, e.g.
A: This is absolute beauty
B: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
 
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@Gigili Well, I would not even write such a sentence. I would say it is not a real sentence.
 
10:48 AM
Say hi to your son for me
 
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@Meysamرهادربند Who are you talking to?
 
@Gigili It seems like it's a rhetorical remark to me, trying to make fun of or criticise the reasoning behind the idea. It is correct.
 
@JasperLoy @DavidWallace
 
@MattЭллен Yeah, that's why the sentence doesn't make much sense to me.
@JasperLoy To me.
Oh.
 
user19161
@Gigili You have a son? That is new.
 
user19161
10:50 AM
I only have a sun. It's outside the window.
 
@JasperLoy I have a potential son.
 
user19161
I have a real sun.
 
But he's not talking to me, as you've probably noticed.
 
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Now you are just confusing me.
 
@JasperLoy You know what's interesting about sun?
 
10:51 AM
as an example:
A: Vanilla is my favourite!
B: Oh vanilla is your favourite, is it? Last week it was chocolate!
 
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@Meysamرهادربند It's round.
 
@JasperLoy Exactly!
 
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@MattЭллен You really say that shit?
 
it is really said.
 
user19161
Sounds strange to my incompetent ears.
 
user19161
10:53 AM
It might sound unstrange on another day.
 
@MattЭллен Is B a normal person? He just repeated himself.
 
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@MattЭллен Well, for one, people can say any shit they want in speech.
 
@JasperLoy No, it's yellowish orange.
 
@Gigili he's quite normal, for an imaginary friend
 
10:58 AM
@JasperLoy The interesting point is that you can never say whether sun is alive when it's shining in the sky. Because it might have already been dead, and what you see are just rays that were sent toward earth 8 minutes ago when sun was still alive.
 
@Gigili with the isn't it tag the question is asking for confirmation with a refutation. With the is it tag the question is refuting a claim by asking for confirmation.
or sometimes it's not
bah
 
@Meysamرهادربند That's a very non-Einsteinian way of looking at it.
 
I hate linguistics
 
@MattЭллен I see, that makes sense.
Thank you.
 
@DavidWallace And what's the Einsteinian way?
 
11:02 AM
@Gigili "It's true, is it?" said in a despondent way, is sadly accepting a truth.
so that's an exception
 
@Meysamرهادربند Space-like and time-like intervals. Four dimensions. Lots of fun.
 
This is getting complicated.
 
so sometimes is it? is asking for confirmation outright
@Gigili yes, sorry
 
@DavidWallace Have you studied general relativity?
 
@MattЭллен Hmm, so depending on the tone of voice, it can mean the complete opposite. What a language!
@skullpatrol It depends what you mean by studied.
 
11:04 AM
Hey Gigili, that book which you recommend me for TOEFL is bouncing.
 
@DavidWallace I'm quite bad at explaining linguistics :D I can always find counter claims to my ideas
 
@DavidWallace Taken any university level courses on it?
 
as opposed to primary school level courses on it?
I have taken courses where it was briefly mentioned, but no courses specifically on general relativity.
@MattЭллен But that's good.
 
@MattЭллен So it's always asking for confirmation?
 
@DavidWallace Well, high school could count.
 
11:07 AM
If you can find counterexamples to things that are false, then you have an immediate gauge of what's true and what isn't. It's almost like having @Vitaly hovering permanently in the background.
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@Gigili yes, but sometimes the request for confirmation is genuine, and sometimes it is sarcastic.
 
@skullpatrol What high school has courses on GR?
@MattЭллен Not sarcastic. Ironic, maybe, but not sarcastic.
Sarcastic implies a degree of nastiness.
 
ok, ironic, and potentially sarcastic
 
My God, why would anyone choose to speak this language?
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@DavidWallace How could we know something is false before finding counterexamples to them?
 
11:10 AM
@DavidWallace The book "Relativity: The special and general theories" claims the subject can be understood with only a high school education :D
 
@Meysamرهادربند There are unicorns in Tasmania.
@skullpatrol I disagree completely.
 
There are unicorns in Tasmania, are there?
 
@DavidWallace You would have to argue that point with the author :-)
 
@Meysamرهادربند Can you find a counterexample to this assertion?
@skullpatrol GR requires hefty mathematics, beyond the grasp of all but a minuscule quantity of teenagers.
@skullpatrol and I have neither the time nor the energy to argue with every crackpot that I disagree with.
 
@DavidWallace Hmm, I don't think it's possible.
 
11:14 AM
@DavidWallace Are you saying the author is a "crackpot"?
 
@Meysamرهادربند and yet you know that the assertion is false, right?
@skullpatrol I would put him/her in the same bucket as the likes of Velikovsky.
 
Immanuel Velikovsky () (17 November 1979) was a Russian-born American independent scholar of Jewish origins, best known as the author of a number of controversial books reinterpreting the events of ancient history, in particular the US bestseller Worlds in Collision, published in 1950. Earlier, he played a role in the founding of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel, and was a respected psychiatrist and psychoanalyst. His books use comparative mythology and ancient literary sources (including the Bible) to argue that Earth has suffered catastrophic close-contacts with other plane...
 
Yes, him.
 
I'm not familiar with his work :(
 
@DavidWallace If I can't see or find any unicorns in Tasmania, it does not mean that there is no unicorn there. So I can never say it's a false assertion.
 
11:18 AM
@skullpatrol The WP page to which you have linked describes his work in far more detail than I ever could.
@Meysamرهادربند I can, because I know a thing or two about unicorns. And a thing or two about Tasmania.
 
@DavidWallace Fair enough. BTW the author of the book "Relativity: The special and general theories" was Einstein :D
 
Then I can't possibly argue with him, as he died before I was born.
However, I'd like to know if he ever managed to FIND a high school student who was capable of learning GR; or whether he was just making unfounded claims.
 
@DavidWallace It's like the Russell's Teapot example. Can you say that there is no teapot orbiting the Sun? Can you?
 
I can.
 
I put one there, so I can say there is!
 
11:23 AM
Because I know which planet teapots were invented on, and I know what would be involved in getting one to orbit the sun.
 
I didn't really
 
@DavidWallace He believes, in the book, that the two theories: special and general relativity can be taught in one course.
 
And has he actually taught the two of them in one course?
 
He claims that this can be understood with no more than a high school education.
 
by whom? Other geniuses?
Don't forget the famous Eddington quote.
 
11:29 AM
only 3 people understand it?
 
That's the one.
The "I am wondering who the third might be", or whatever he said.
 
The book itself is a thin little thing well worth a look, if you're interested :D
 
11:50 AM
@Gigili just to beat a dead horse, I think this books search shows what I'm getting at.
 
12:08 PM
@MattЭллен Now I think it all depends on the exclamation mark/question mark at the end.
 
in writing, that could be the case. the exclamation mark could indicate incredulity
 
12:23 PM
@Matt: "I didn't really" - how can you say that , I believed you.
 
12:45 PM
Pfft, Russel's teapot. Put a frickin' coffeepot up there, though, and it will have millions of worshipers.
 
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I have heard of teapots but not coffeepots and coffee mugs but not tea mugs, though I remember we discussed that all four exist.
 
@JasperLoy how could you not have heard of a coffeepot? What do you think they put the coffee in?
 
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 In a teapot?
 
@JasperLoy Blashphemy! Your teapot will smell like coffee, forever tainting any tea it pours. No! No! Bad Japser! Keep them separate.
 

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