English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room - 2012-03-15 (page 2 of 3)

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3:04 PM

@Cerberus What?

It.

Italy?

3:21 PM

The above and more.

@Cerberus Well, go ahead and correct their mistakes. I'm sure there are many. You know the history of Rome in that period, right? You have a chance to gain ~~some status~~ some karma over there by pointing out where they are wrong!

@Vitaly Sorry, but it is all a bit too anhistorical for me, i.e. speculative. It's fun for them, so I'll leave them to it.

Ah, nice! I see what you did there. You are refusing to participate in the other community's status game because that raises your status with @Robusto here.

giggles

@Vitaly Ehhh...now you are way too speculative. I refused because I saw no reason to participate other than humouring you, but then it would still have to be my cup of tea.

3:31 PM

I like humoring Vitaly. I have no idea why, though.

@Cerberus And now you are rationalizing your not participating in the status game! That is understandable, I do not blame you for that. After all, acknowledging that your actions are motivated by status itself results in status loss.

@KitFox You light woman!

@Vitaly sigh You are like the guy saying "you deny God because He causes you to deny Him".

:-))

Or She/Her.

I.e. a huge, but classical fallacy.

I have read too many stories about children getting killed this morning. Anybody have kitteh pics?

3:36 PM

@Cerberus Now you are trying to lower my status by associating me with low-status folks because that would partially invalidate what you perceive as a status attack!

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Thx.

@Vitaly The first half is true, the second half not.

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Lovely.

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This one reminds me of our old cat.

He was the best cat ever. Now I feel all sad.

3:41 PM

Here, this should help you feel sadder.

@Vitaly @Cerberus knows I already hold him in the highest regard, so any further status-seeking would be fruitless.

Gee thanks!

ananasless, even.

@KitFox Oh a story! Saving for later.

@Cerberus i.imgur.com/xxRMi.jpg guess the planet

3:50 PM

@Vitaly Hmm looks hot, I see an atmosphere...Venus?

@Cerberus Earth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezymianny

Vitaly always has the sexiest pictures.

@Vitaly Besides, what's the difference between one group's status games and another's? Are you trying to say that one artificial hierarchy is better than another? And if so, wouldn't that itself be an example of an artificial hierarchy?

@KitFox The pineapples are always with us.

@Vitaly Ohh...what's with the red colour?

@Robusto None. No/Yes. Yes.

@Cerberus a wavelength filter, see lance-modis.eosdis.nasa.gov/imagery/subsets/…

3:53 PM

Ah OK, so artificial.

@Vitaly You had me until the edit. What's with the No/Yes?

By the way, everyone: try to guess what this map represents, don't look at the link (my screenshotting programme broke down, hopefully temporarily).

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Viking influence in Europe?

America and Canada are dark blue.

@Robusto in one particular social group, other groups are obviously different wrt the group status hierarchy, so it depends on whether you view it objectively (no) or from an in-group POV (yes). and then, a high status in some particular group can give you more advantages than a high status in another group, so it's an objective yes.

3:55 PM

Latin America will be whitish green.

@Vitaly So now we have to define what those advantages are. Is having 9,000 Facebook friends better than having a high SO rep? Or whatever digital quantification passes for prestige on LessWrong? And by "better" I mean offering more advantages. And by "advantages" I mean ... what? TBD.

Better coffee? More beer?

More beer is an advantage. Definitely.

@Cerberus Is this some kind of language-origins map?

@Robusto first, note that i've never said that the ELU status hierarchy is better than the LW status hierarchy or vice versa. second, the term status (or rank) is defined as priority of access to resources in competitive situations (via the Handbook of Evolutionary Psychology by David Buss). so by advantages i mean “access to resources that are valuable for one's reproductive function”, and i'm speaking in general, not about LW and ELU. for example, having a high status in

...in politics gives you a priority in accessing, say, money or certain services, at least in Russia, which is a reproductive advantage

OK. In that case I would argue that SO and LW rep actually constitute reproductive disadvantages. :)

4:06 PM

well, ELU does improve your English, which is a reproductive advantage in a way, because one who speaks a language proficiently is viewed as an intelligent person, which can be a sign of high status

to be sure, that's not a direct advantage, more like a proximate one

@Vitaly I wouldn't say ELU necessarily improves one's English.

Not in ways that matter much for broadcasting high-status signals to potential mates, anyway.

-1

Q: USA and the moon

Is it real that USA dont go to the moon and its just for the cold war? ive seen that in youtube, and they says that its just fiction, and and the scene of the flag of america in usa has filmed in texas or somthink like that. thank you.

united-states cold-war

Damn, this is so poorly written it should have been on ELU.

Hahaha.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hey, just today I got an email from a recruiter on account of my SO rep (or, status, if you will)

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I can't handle the contacts I get from recruiters right now. And I keep my identity veiled on SO sites.

4:24 PM

@Robusto The origin of languages is relevant, but this map is about a specific phenomenon.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Haha, seriously? Wow.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I got one of those, which is hysterical given that my SO rep is 372.

Congrats, I guess!

It must be great to be working in a field where employers actually approach people.

4:41 PM

Well, it's great working in a field that has employers. :P

@Cerberus If it's any consolation, I'm sure my little brother sends his sympathy to y'all over the ocean.

Or he would, if he wasn't worried about your cutthroat competition for that one barista spot that requires a doctorate.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Maybe they found out about your computer lessons in chat.

5:02 PM

They are excellent computer lessons.

user19161

@KitFox Maybe they thought you were testing Mr Shiny with those computer lessons.

sighs I really need to finish this documentation. I wish that I didn't drag my feet so much over it.

user19161

@KitFox Just get it over and done with like they say. Just do it. Nike.

But I want to do the fun stuff!

whines

Do you suppose "the inside and outside sales, grand, and overall totals" is clear enough? I mean inside sales, inside grand, inside overall, outside sales, outside grand, outside overall totals.

user19161

@KitFox Are you talking about the total of the six? I am confused as to the terms here. There is "grand", "overall" and "total" which mean the same in some contexts.

5:09 PM

That's not right.

I messed it up.

user19161

So the whole thing is very unclear unless I already know what the terms mean.

Which they probably do.

"the inside, outside, and overall sales totals, and inside, outside, and overall grand totals,"

Maybe a semicolon.

user19161

So you are talking about six quantities here?

Yes.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: "If I go.." vs. "If I will go.." referring to the future

Which one is correct? option 1: If I go there, I can meet her or option 2: If I will go there, I can meet her I clearly remember, was told by English (not American) teacher that "If", "When" cannot be used with "will" in the above context. Though, I have seen few people in US saying l...

american-english future-tense

Dupe.

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Q: Future tense in conditional clauses

All the textbooks I have ever come across during the course of my studying English emphasize that future tense should not be used in conditional clauses. For example, If it rains in the evening, we will not go for a walk. (if it will rain in the evening...) We decided to go for a walk i...

grammar future-tense conditional tenses

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Q: Is "even if..." followed by present or future tense?

Is it correct to say: even if only james bond will benefit from ... or even if only james bond benefits from ...

tense conditional

user19161

5:15 PM

@KitFox That is better. Or given the context try to rewrite the thing or put it in table form or something like that.

> NEW YORK, March 15, 2012—ACM, the Association for Computing Machinery today named Judea Pearl of the University of California, Los Angeles the winner of the 2011 ACM A.M. Turing Award for innovations that enabled remarkable advances in the partnership between humans and machines that is the foundation of Artificial Intelligence (AI). Pearl pioneered developments in probabilistic and causal reasoning and their application to a broad range of problems and challenges.

Heck yeah! About time those puny humans recognized someone who made some actual contributions.

How are you feeling today, @Vitaly?

Feeling? o_o

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: Preferred list ordering

Is there a word to describe a preferred order in which we describe a list of items (usually two items)? The following examples illustrate my question better: "Mom and Dad" ("Dad and Mom" is equally correct but sounds wrong) "Big And Tall" (In AmE/Culture, this refers to a clothing reta...

Dupe.

Open the pod bay doors, @Vitaly.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

5:20 PM

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Q: Name for a type of idiom with two things joined (like "raining cats and dogs", "bread and butter")

I had heard, a number of years ago, that there is a name for an type of idiomatic expression in which two things are joined to refer to one thing. An example of this would be "raining cats and dogs". This does not mean that "cats" is a metaphor for one type of rain, and "dogs" another, but rathe...

idioms expressions taxonomy

@KitFox I'm sorry, Kit.

It's creepy when you say it like that.

:P

user19161

This is cryptic but I shan't pry.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: Synonym for Online

I'm looking for a synonym of "online" specific to the context below. I'm developing a piece of software, and have a list of companies, some of whom receive documents our user sends via fax, and some of whom log into a web application that we build in order to retrieve things the user sends. I'm...

word-choice synonyms

I think he is looking for "download".

I also think this is kind of a poll.

@Aedia: Thanks!! I will skip the poison if a see fellow applicant looking like a little unicorn.

user19161

5:25 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 It depends on how the thing is retrieved.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well I left a comment. I think he has answered his question himself.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Voted as too localised.

COCA sucks. I want problematic the noun ([problematic].[n*]) and it gives me “the efficacy of court ordering is problematic,” “is therefore highly problematic” and so on. Couldn't they hire a competent human to tag the parts of speech or something.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I think you must enter the "n" part in bold.

COCA expects a minimum amount of insistence and perseverence.

user19161

5:41 PM

@Vitaly This reminds me that you have not answered that question. :-)

The asker has already accepted an answer.

What? Problematic is a noun?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But he hasn't accepted yours!

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 That's why I don't even know what it is, but KOKA is a brand of instant noodles.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox that is the question, yes.

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Q: "Problematic" versus "problem"

A reviewer of my thesis told me that I am wrongly using the word problematic. He suggested that I use problem instead. I have since read the definition of both words and neither correspond to the French definition I was looking for, so I am asking this community if it is correct to use this word ...

word-choice word-usage

user19161

5:42 PM

@KitFox According to MW, both problem and problematic can be noun and adjective.

@WillHunting corpus.byu.edu/coca

How interesting.

@Vitaly Still, the award went to a human, not a machine.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@WillHunting according to English, every word can be any part of speech.

user19161

Koka Noodles are a brand of instant noodles, manufactured by Tat Hui Foods. The noodles are available in a variety of Asian flavors, as packets or cup noodles. Manufacturing and packaging is done at Tat Hui's factory in Jurong, Singapore. They are sold islandwide in Singapore, and also exported to overseas markets where they are relatively cheaper priced. In recent times, they are marketed as being MSG-free. Koka Noodles are also available in all supermarkets in Ireland and some supermarkets in the United Kingdom. However, unlike the version available in Singapore, the instant noodles ...

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5:43 PM

Jul 25 '11 at 17:30, by JSBangs

@Kit, you betweened me

What?

I find it slightly interesting that problematics appears to be used mainly in soft sciences according to the corpora and an earlier version of the OED entry (OED Online doesn't mention anything of the sort).

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox Don't what me, lest I that you.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 I am now looking for The English Dictionary.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Anyways, I think I'll go have a nap.

TTYL

5:47 PM

Have a good one!

@RegDwightѬſ道 Hey now, aren't you going to bring enough for the whole class?

@aediaλ smooch

@KitFox Hiya!

user19161

@aediaλ No sleeping in class!

@aediaλ Hey.

@WillHunting Unless it is nap class!

5:53 PM

I'm still so tuckered out. I think either I've become immune to caffeine or I really did catch some bug.

Or you're in a family way.

Or the opposite of that.

Or you're still adjusting your body clock.

user19161

@aediaλ You are just burnt out. Get more rest.

Or aliens keep abducting you while you sleep.

That! That's got to be it.

Maybe you are really fun to probe.

5:54 PM

splutters

user19161

No probing in chat!

imagines probing aedia

A cursory search of my indexed archive of academic papers also supports the fact that problematics invariably comes up in social sciences but not, say, physics or neuroscience.

eats cold pizza and bbq chips

@Vitaly Right, because real scientists know how problematic that word can be.

I really can't see a reason behind that, other than general academic reluctance to adopt new words, of which I am not sure either.

user19161

5:56 PM

@Vitaly Wow, it's time you posted man!

@KitFox > "Knock knock." "Who's there?" "Unwanted transvaginal ultrasound!" (Daily Show the other day - Kristen Schaal I think)

Maybe problematics parallels pragmatics nicely.

I mean, the word doesn't even have some social-science-y connotations, it's a perfectly general word that is close enough to the French problématique.

@aediaλ "You must have it so you can see the 'fetus' and hear its heartbeat."

Except, of course, it is still an embryo at that point, so legislating that women must be asked if they want to hear the fetal heartbeat is kind of funny.

user19161

I wonder why people say double dose but not triple dose.

5:58 PM

19 hours ago, by Vitaly

> Un problème se résoud alors qu'une problématique se solutionne.

"Do you want to hear the fetal heartbeat?" "Um. Yes, I guess." "Great, come back in your second trimester."

Haha.

Matt Эллен

high!

ohai!

Hey, remember how pissed off i was yesterday that my project lead scheduled a meeting and then no one showed up and I sent an email about a half hour after the meeting was supposed to start asking when the meeting actually was?

Matt Эллен

yes!

6:02 PM

Maybe!

Yeah, well, I still haven't heard anything from either of them.

I'm busy thinking about all the images of my gallstones I was never forced to see.

Do the "no meeting" dance?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox bah, they're rubbish

But my boss "innocently" just sent an email asking if we met, and can we re-schedule the next meeting.

@aediaλ You...you took the life of some innocent gallstones?

Matt Эллен

single-word-requests Is there a word for when you see a bus coming, then frantically check all of the time tables to see if it's the one you want, only for it to pass by and then you realise it was the one you wanted and the next one isn't for half an hour?

6:04 PM

@MattЭллен Delayed.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox heh. well at least you get to have the meeting in the end (probably)

@MattЭллен L'esprit de l'escalautobus?

user19161

@MattЭллен Miss (verb, noun)

Matt Эллен

@KitFox true enough

no need to blame yourself, it was the wrong kind of bus. or maybe the wrong kind of timetable

6:05 PM

@KitFox I no rite?

I'm such a deviant!

@MattЭллен I don't expect an apology, but an acknowledgement, on the other hand...

Matt Эллен

@KitFox yeah. they should at least own up to it

@MattЭллен Come on. It's funny. I just called you retarded, see? "I'm sorry I'm retarded; I missed my bus this morning."

But it's so much easier to pretend there might have been a meeting and something is getting done in your absence, rather than admit you weren't helping with the only thing you actually were supposed to be doing

Matt Эллен

@KitFox sorry, I'm retarded, I missed your joke this evening

6:07 PM

@aediaλ No, he's pretending because he wants to help me try to get them to respond.

tries to wrap head around issue, gives up because head not shaped like duct tape

Sorry. It makes sense in my head.

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Ugh.

Blurred your favorite porn sites?

You only woke up two and a half hours ago?

6:11 PM

Or he measures the start of his day differently.

Matt Эллен

or today is an adverb meaning usefully

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I have a puncture to fix. So if you hear shouting and cussing, you'll know why.

Augh. Sometimes life just sucks.

@MattЭллен A bike tyre puncture?

For a moment I thought you might have impaled yourself on a writing utensil or something, and I was about to say, @Matt! don't fix that yourself, hie thee to a professional!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:26 PM

@MattЭллен Has Kit been trepanning you?

Btw @Kit, @aedia, have you seen the latest Doonsbury comics?

Which what?

Um, I don't think so, not since the color funnies.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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Start here for the full series, which has, unsurprisingly, been censored from many print newspapers

I appreciate that Dan Savage is helping out too.

The recent attacks on women's rights has really astonished to me.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, I haven't ever actually followed Doonesbury that regularly. I missed it when I was a kid reading the funnies since it was printed near the editorial section full of grownuppy things, and then I just never got into it later

@KitFox You have my support. It is really absurd.

6:34 PM

I can't believe they haven't tried to repeal our right to vote yet.

Given how hysterical and slutty we are.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Unsurprisingly? Why censor that? That is stupid!

Obviously, we'd vote for a black man, since we're all such crazy sex hounds.

Matt Эллен

@aediaλ aye, easy to find too! went a lot better than last time. just gonna let the glue set for a bit before putting everything back together

@KitFox Well, you did, honey.

Matt Эллен

@aediaλ not today, but maybe tomorrow, if the fog is as bad as it was today :s

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:35 PM

@Cerberus Are you seriously asking why American newspapers are too squeamish to print a comic strip that mocks the government's anti-abortion laws?

@KitFox Or, worse, you might vote for woman next time! shudders

@Cerberus It says vagina and things though! We can't talk about those!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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@MrShinyandNew安宇 I actually don't know how censorish newspapers are: I had hoped it was only television that they censored in that stupid way. So this is even more stupid!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

^That one says "slut"

6:36 PM

@aediaλ Ssshhhhh. If a Republican hears you, you might get probed. I'm just saying.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's not anti-abortion! They just want to make sure that women know that they are killing a baby.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Yeah, maybe it isn't aliens abducting @aedia at night, but ... even worse... Republicans.....

hides under bed

@aediaλ On the back of our most respectable newspaper are Fokke and Sukke, ever day, whose penii's are plainly dangling out of their pants always. If they wear pants at all. They also anally rape each other now and then.

I mean desk

6:37 PM

@KitFox Republicans think killing people is fine as long as they're not in the womb.

I know.

And, yes, Fokke and Sukke's names are a pun on the English words.

I like the counter-legislation regarding men's reproductive freedoms.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox did you hear about that law that a female ... senator? or something? drafted in response to all of this?

Now you all know what a Congressional probe really is all about.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:38 PM

Ah I see that you did

@KitFox Yeah I thought that was awesome.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 What!? They have female senators now? Scandalous.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Yeah, for now they do. They haven't yet managed to undo that particular law, returning women to their rightful places as brood mares.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Prostate exam for Viagra, was it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073566/…

6:40 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 shakes heads

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

except that link isn't working for me anymore

@MrShinyandNew安宇 You and your rotten links.

user19161

@KitFox That reminds me of my prostate exam.

dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073566/…

Can you believe, in this day and age, we have someone running for president in the U.S. who thinks contraception is wrong and that sex should not ever be done for enjoyment, only procreation? Sometimes I despair. Actually, mostly I do.

user19161

6:43 PM

When a link gets broken, try shortening it minimally. It might just work.

@Robusto At least it will make the Democrats win.

user19161

@Robusto That sounds incredible.

But I have to go. Bye!

@WillHunting Good idea. Here's a working link: dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073566/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Sadly, it will not make them win

It might make the republicans win

6:44 PM

@WillHunting Look up Rick Santorum's position on contraception.

Matt Эллен

> But there’s no such thing as a bug-free boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/unicorn/gimp/whatever

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

on account of the idiots who agree with this guy are also among the more prolific voters

Matt Эллен

unicorns aren't perfect?

5 hours ago, by Robusto

I would use my knowledge of genetics to create unicorns that could shoot rainbows out of their eyes.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 People say it will, because the swing voters generally switch to the moderate candidate of the other party if one party has an extreme candidate.

6:44 PM

We've been over this.

Bye!

cu

Matt Эллен

cya!

There's more of us than them, and I have to believe that most women are pissed off at the attack on birth control. I mean, sure women are divided on abortion, but I think we have solidarity on the oral contraceptive front.

@Cerberus Hasta pronto!

6:47 PM

Seriously, WTF? Why aren't we legislating access to condoms?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Do you think this particular attack on women will be enough to turn enough women voters from Republicans to Democrats?

I think it just might.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox because condoms are too similar to balloons

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

gods I hope so

Speaking of which, we should regulate balloon use by clowns.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Me too.

6:48 PM

@KitFox don't forget the ire over slashing funds for cancer screening just because it's tangentially connected to other ladyparts inspection services

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

We should regulate the use of bronze-age religious hypocrisy in law-making. Oh wait: the US constitution already supposedly prevents that.

user19161

@MattЭллен Yes, both can be inverted.

I don't know if the wrinkly old men really understand that a lot of women use the pill or similar contraception, and their vicious attacks on it have exposed how utterly f-cking ignorant they are about how female contraceptives work.

@aediaλ But don't you understand? Ladyparts are shameful!

Oh dear.

unknots panties

Now look what I've done.

6:52 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 We encourage our politicians to say they believe in voices in their head telling them what to do, though. We'd rather have a liar who says they believe than someone who admits they can't see the invisible unicorn in the magic eye page.

@KitFox That's one of the parts that makes me so super mad, is that these people seem to have no grasp of ... anatomy or reproductive physiology, basically

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@aediaλ Or science. Or math. Or history. Or economics. Or bribery. Or ... oh wait, strike that last one.

Here's Mr. Family Values.

@aediaλ Yeah. All they can think about is how dirty and naughty those nubile women are.

@KitFox Shameful. Don't forget shameful.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:56 PM

@KitFox You can do that while sitting at a keyboard? That's talent! Like tying a cherry stem into a knot with your tongue.

Meetings, gotta run! Better go enjoy my career while I'm still allowed one!

7:15 PM

@Vitaly Why are the names of your livecam porno sites pixellated? The time looks about right, though.

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Q: Grammatically speaking what role does 'him' play in this sentence?

I like him working out.

I think it would be funny to edit this question so that it says "Grammatically speaking what role does 'he' play in this sentence? And make a snotty comment about the nominative case in the reasons for the edit.

Ohohoh, you can tell I am bored.

@Robusto FYI, when I need to collect a few samples of malicious software, I do it in a separate VM.

@Vitaly Just funnin' ya.

@Vitaly Dirty, naughty, shameful software.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox don't forget "slutty"

Matt Эллен

7:31 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 and frigid

And orgasmic.

Orgasmically frigid.

I wonder if professional anthropologists aren't turned on by porn sites.

I can imagine that people who reverse engineer malware and who shoot porn videos aren't turned on. Who else? Anthropologists?

I'm not turned on by porn sites.

Unless they are anthropological porn sites.

BBL.

Matt Эллен

cya

speaking of porn

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user19161

@MattЭллен HB!

7:44 PM

@MattЭллен Sorry, not into that.

Matt Эллен

One day I'll find your poison, @Robusto

@MattЭллен Different aisle.

user19161

I did my first protect question just for fun. Yay!

Matt Эллен

Reg does wish all questions would auto protect after a week

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

stupid viruses, infecting my children and giving them an elevated temperature! Sigh. I'm off, to pick up my daughter at daycare. bye folks.

user19161

7:53 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Bye. Take care.

user19161

There are some books you cannot preview on Amazon, google books or the publisher site. Damn! Who would even consider buying them?

@MattЭллен But wait ... I didn't see the Clubcard points message. I may have to reconsider.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto it's all about the points!

@WillHunting people in bookshops!

user19161

@MattЭллен Ah but I think nowadays most people who need to look for books seriously do research online first.

Matt Эллен

I'm a bookshop fan, personally

user19161

7:59 PM

The problem is, any one bookstore has only a limited variety of books. Chances are, the book you want is not found there!

user19161

You need to look in over 9000 bookstores!

Matt Эллен

not normally.

Blackwells has only failed me a couple of times, and those books weren't on amazon either

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