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12:02 AM
I hate that after my close-votes on NS evaporate, I am not allowed to re-close-vote it. I wonder if it were to eventually get closed, it would report more than 5 closers?
 
12:34 AM
Kitty cuisine festival, and not in a good way.
 
1:11 AM
@tchrist Norton edits it back out and an edit war ensues which forces the post to become community-wiki, thus denying Norton the rep.
 
He can’t edit. He’s banned.
Or do I not understand?
 
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Q: The current review system encourages faux reviews: some people upvote everything rather than actually fixing it

ЯegDwightI went to a Late Answers review queue that had 4 items in it and started reviewing the first one by editing it into shape rather heavily. By the time I was done, someone else had reviewed the same post simply by upvoting it. So I only got a "Next" button, not an "I'm done" button. My edit still...

 
Nice tags. :)
 
I spent quite some time on those, actually.
I have no idea about tags on MSO.
 
We’ll see what they make of it. If they don’t like them, they can change them.
 
1:15 AM
So I went all stream-of-consciousness on the tag field, trying to get it to return something meaningful.
 
@tchrist Well, I haven't kept up-to-date on Norton. But his MO was to use a sock-puppet account to post questions, which would eventually get merged with his banned account once the sock-nature was discovered. But merging accounts preserves rep, so sock rep was being added to the banned NortonnS account.
 
He has 1 rep.
Because he's banned.
 
The rep comes back once he's unbanned.
and FF was editing Norton Sock account posts, not already-merged posts. At least, he was. dunno about now.
 
I guess I really have to ask FF to know.
It just seems like he has some discrete purpose.
I just can’t divine it.
@reg and @wai and @sim Do you know why FF does that?
 
Yeah if I weren't lazy I would dig up the comment in which he said he would always do that.
Actually I already did that once in this room, but I can't even be bothered to dig up that.
Anyway, no real reason other than to alert people to possible Nortonn socks.
 
1:24 AM
I see your MSO post has garnered quick upvotes.
 
And of course exactly nobody gets alerted and exactly everybody keeps wondering what the heck that exclamation mark is supposed to mean.
 
I can’t believe I’m going to bed before you tonight, but I’m on my way up now.
 
@tchrist yes, the first two thanks to this room.
 
You aren’t supposed to be able to know that. Are you a closet dev? :)
 
@tchrist I'm waiting for my wife to return from a paper chase game.
 
1:26 AM
It was originally to drive the posts into CW.
 
Is a paper chase game something having to do with Russian bureaucracy? :)
 
So that he would never get points from it.
 
@tchrist I just saw the count get up from 0 to 2 within five seconds of my mentioning the question here.
 
Suuure. :)
@simchona Ah, thanks.
 
Paper Chase (also known as Hare and Hounds or Chalk Chase) is a racing game played outdoors (best played within a wood or even a shrubbery maze) with any number of players. At the start of the game, one person is designated the 'hare' and everyone else in the group are the 'hounds'. The 'hare' starts off ahead of everyone else leaving behind themselves a trail of paper shreds (or chalk marks in an urban environment) which represents the scent of the hare. Just as scent is carried on the wind, so too are the bits of paper, sometimes making for a difficult game. After some designated time, th...
 
1:27 AM
Never heard of it.
 
It's fun.
 
Better than a snipe hunt? :)
 
I never played as a ground soldier, I'm always the HQ guy.
 
@Sim My current approach is to close all but actual good questions of his as not constructive, then delete. Am I doing the wrong thing?
But isn’t it dark out?
 
It is. That's the fun in it.
 
1:28 AM
Are you below freezing?
 
Well, I just spelunked into the transcript to find the conversation about the ! thing but I see that sim is here to answer straight from the cat's mouth, so, I guess my work here is done.
Jul 21 at 3:21, by simchona
Trying to force him into another edit war to make his latest post CW
 
Oh.
I doubt that is very productive.
Since as soon as merged, he can’t edit.
 
Whoa!
Wuzzat?
 
That's deep in the woods. At night. And one of the code snippets was hidden in the rock somewhere.
My people had to look for it, to find out the next location where to look for the next code.
 
1:31 AM
Looks fun.
 
My job here was to figure out that they had to go to a cave, and which cave, and then navigate them there, and then enter the code they found.
Rinse, repeat.
 
This isn’t a GPS game though, right?
 
Some clues are given as coordinates. Most aren't.
 
Guess you won’t be going to sunrise services at church tomorrow. :)
 
It's just a collection of riddles.
Solve a riddle, get a place, look there for a code, enter the code to get the next riddle.
 
1:33 AM
I like to see grownups playing games. It’s good for you.
 
Ah! There she is.
Lators, or perhaps not, and you're going to bed anyway.
 
Did she win?
 
We won, yes.
Last time we came in second.
 
Yes, I’m off.
Congrats.
 
Thanks.
And CU tomorrow!
 
1:34 AM
See you at oh-dark-thirty.
feels like Bilbo and Balin saying goodbye to each other
 
I will look them up tomorrow.
I only know Bimbo and Palin.
Poufff!
 
Some days this room really lives up to its a.k.a.
 
2:27 AM
Hi.
 
3:06 AM
@Cerberus Hi!
 
@Mahnax Yo!
 
@Cerberus Hey! How's things?
 
I'm posting +1s to many suggestions on the Swype forum.
 
Ooh, Swype.
 
It seems most users agree about the top 3 things that should be changed in Swype.
Swype is terrific, by far the best keyboard.
But...
 
3:08 AM
I know just about nothing of Swype.
 
Ever used it?
 
Nope.
 
It is like super fast magic.
 
Haha.
That's not very appropriate.
 
Oh shit, I missed that.
Was it obscene?
 
3:12 AM
Nope.
Just the ravings of a lunatic.
Nothing important, either, so don't fret.
 
Possibly important to your aunt!
 
Oh, shush, you!
 
Ow, too bad.
 
See, now the esteemed dog is just replete with curiosity. Lucky he's not a cat
 
Hmm. Did I come in here last night?
 
3:16 AM
Oh yeah, do you feel lucky, hmm?
@Mahnax I...think so.
Yes.
 
Yeah, just found it. I couldn't remember.
 
Define last night.
 
22 hours ago, ish.
 
You seem to have been here about 24.5 hours ago, talking only to Cerberus.
 
Hm, OK.
 
3:19 AM
Not quite sure what he did to deserve it.
 
Ouch.
 
Well.
I must have done something!
I was not in a state to create memories, but still.
 
Oh, were you intoxicated?
On a Friday night?!
What would your mother say?
 
She would...probably be intoxicated too?
Hey, Friday night!
I'm completely sober now.
And this is a Saturday night.
So.
 
Aww.
 
3:27 AM
How was your get-together, or whatever it was? Was it today?
 
It was last night. It was… mostly fun.
 
Ah OK.
Why not wholly so?
 
@Mahnax Actually, I was here too. And you didn't talk to me at all.
 
Was it because of some people?
 
@Cerberus Erm, I don't want to talk about it.
 
3:28 AM
Everything happens because of some people.
 
@Mahnax OK.
 
@DavidWallace I said hello, and you didn't say anything.
 
@DavidWallace Yeah, well, not everything. But a lot.
 
@Mahnax I wasn't here then.
 
> Note that hardware can have bugs too. The programmer's intention is rarely "the computer now explodes." So if the programmer writes a program and the computer explodes, that's probably a bug in the hardware. There can be other, less dramatic bugs in the hardware, too.
From the Swype forum.
 
3:29 AM
@DavidWallace Oh. Well, I left shortly after saying anything anyways.
 
@Cerberus Hmm, that reminds me of a competition I read about.
 
Oh, dear.
That is a naughty competition!
 
Back in the days of Commodore 64s (about 30 years ago), Commodore wanted to write in their manual that there was no way you could permanently damage your computer by typing the wrong thing on your keyboard. But to make sure it was true, they ran a competition, with a big prize for anyone who could write a program that would cause permanent damage to the hardware running it.
 
That sounds like a good time.
 
Ohh great.
And I presume somebody destroyed it?
 
3:32 AM
Somebody wrote a program that made the head of the disk drive (which was a separate unit) track very rapidly back and forth from one end of its range to the other, making the disk drive jump rapidly up and down a tiny distance. The disk drive slowly made its way across the desk and eventually fell on the floor.
Either that, or it was an urban legend; I don't know.
 
Haha seriously?
Oh.
 
I strongly suspect it's true though. This hardware was seriously skodey.
 
I would imagine the drive would have damaged itself quite a bit by then.
Even by just going back and forth rapidly.
And what is skodey?
 
Yes, quite likely. Umm, I have to disappear for 10-15 minutes.
 
3:47 AM
Well guys, don't feel you have to stop talking, just because I'm not around to listen!
 
Sorry, won't happen again sir.
 
@Cerberus of very poor quality.
 
Ah.
 
Maybe the Commodore contest was an urban legend; I can't find any reference to it online. Maybe I'm not googling the right things.
 
I can't find it either...
 
3:58 AM
Perhaps I made it up!
 
I would prefer it to be true.
 
Hey, I asked my very first question today. There has been just one answer. How long should I wait for a second answer, before I accept it?
 
Where did you ask a question?
Ah, OK.
 
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Q: Does halal meat become haram when prepared by a non-Muslim?

David WallaceI was reading The Issue of Halal Meat, which is linked to in an answer to this question. Towards the end, it claims The law concerning meat is so strict that even if the meat leaves the sight of a Muslim into the care of a Kaafir at any time after slaughtering till the time of consumption, ...

I'm just new to this. I've never asked a question before, anywhere. Except on April Fools' Day, which doesn't really count.
 
Oh man, that was so fun.
 
4:05 AM
Time to start planning for next year, I reckon.
I think we need a theme.
 
Hahah!
 
Hmm… A theme, you say?
 
@DavidWallace You could give it another day?
 
Yes, that's probably fair enough. That site seems to move fairly slowly.
@Mahnax Ssh! There's a mod watching us!
 
@DavidWallace Eeek!
 
4:38 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You may find this interesting:
> Is This A Nexus LG HTC Samsung Apple Patent Key Lime Pie 5.0 10 7 4G LTE Google Lawsuit Galaxy?
> The rumor mill churns and, having churned, moves on. The big story today is that according to sources familiar with the matter, reports have leaked that lead us to believe that an employee who asked to not be named has told Digitimes that sources say the next Nexus may have already been patented by Apple as the subject of the latest lawsuit to come out of Cupertino.
 
We need a new chat room. One for talking about smart phones.
 
Hehe.
Sorry.
 
No, it's not a joke.
 
I thought you were Away...
 
Liar!
 
4:40 AM
It'll have a Cerberus-bot that posts every half hour.
 
We could use such a room.
 
It will say only one thing: "Iphones are gay."
 
@DavidWallace I did! You weren't talking.
@Mahnax Of course.
 
It would make at least as much sense as "penthousing".
 
@DavidWallace Penthousing makes triple latte sense.
 
4:41 AM
The article above doesn't make sense.
It is a parody.
 
And it would keep some of the inanity out of this room and the linguistics one.
 
> English Language & Usage - aka The Incomпrehensible Room
As long as no comprehension is introduced here!
 
Don't make me write more rude limericks.
 
doesn't
 
Oh dear. All of the people from my church are going through their "halloween = Satan" phase again.
sighs
 
4:44 AM
I thought you had left your church?
 
Oh, dear indeed.
What kind of church is it?
 
I'm still forced to go.
 
By whom?
 
A Baptist church.
@DavidWallace My parents.
 
How common is it for people in Canada to look at Halloween as Satanic?
 
4:45 AM
Do they know that you have stopped believing in God?
 
No, they don't.
 
How would they react if you told them?
 
Badly.
 
@Mahnax Is that a rather strict church?
 
@Cerberus Yes, but as far as Baptist churches go, this one is fairly moderate.
 
4:45 AM
Compared to the average Canadian church, I mean?
@Mahnax OK.
 
My mom said the word atheist at the dinner table tonight, and she said it with such venom in her voice.
I can tell that she would be horrified.
@Cerberus Average, probably.
 
OK, for how many years are you planning to continue deceiving them?
 
Two.
Then I'll move out.
I doubt I'll last that long though.
 
What if they insist that you keep coming to church with them on Sundays, even after you've moved out?
 
Haha, already figured that one out.
I intend to go to university in Toronto.
 
4:48 AM
@Mahnax Probably...but it is always easier to comment on things you don't like from a distance. Once someone close to you gets involved with them, you will usually react strongly at first, then start thinking and mellow down.
@Mahnax Hmm OK. That Halloweed/Satanic things sounds rather silly and extremist, I must say.
 
So you choose a long period of lying over a short period of dealing with your parents' wrath?
 
Hrrm. That's the thing, I refuse to lie to them outright about this.
 
@DavidWallace Can you blame him?
 
So if they ask me directly if I believe in god, chances are I'll say no.
 
I would probably do the same, not mention it, but not lie to them either when asked directly.
Jinx.
 
4:50 AM
Right.
 
Just see how it goes.
 
@Cerberus No, I can't. My father went nuts when I told him, aged 14, that I had stopped believing in God.
 
Unless you have a very strong reason to keep it a secret, if they would kick you out or something (which I think they certainly won't, right?).
 
They won't kick me out.
 
@DavidWallace Ah, I see.
 
4:51 AM
And coming to church, and participating in the prayers and hymns and so on when you don't believe in God is lying outright.
 
I disagree with you there.
 
@DavidWallace I don't sing or pray.
 
Have your parents noticed that?
 
Praying and singing is not outright lying.
 
@DavidWallace Yes.
My mom has, at any rate.
 
4:52 AM
You have every right to take part in such things if you don't believe, under the circumstances.
 
So, chances are, they've discussed with each other the fact that you've suddenly stopped singing the hymns, saying the prayers, the creed and so on.
 
@Mahnax Hmm but she doesn't ask you why?
@DavidWallace Or they could be unwilling to confront the issue.
 
@Cerberus She did, but I sort of shrugged it off.
 
And she didn't persist?
 
You should credit your parents with some intelligence. I suspect they know the truth, but they're not sure whether they should bring it up with you, or wait for you to come to them.
 
4:53 AM
@DavidWallace Or they don't want to know.
 
I would love to credit them with intelligence, but I am 95 % certain that they don't know.
 
The venomous intonation of the word "atheist" over dinner may have been a passive-aggressive attempt to get some kind of reaction from you.
 
Or they may think it's just a phase and stirring things up will only make it worse.
@DavidWallace Possible.
 
@Mahnax No. I can promise you that parents always know what's going on with their children. But we don't always know what to do about it.
 
@DavidWallace That's a likely possibility, but it doesn't fit with their MO.
 
4:54 AM
My son is not THAT much younger than you.
 
@DavidWallace Umm you can't.
Parents think they always know. But they often don't.
They know some things that you really think they don't know, and vice versa.
 
Yep. I know some unfortunate things about them.
 
Heh.
Unfortunate in what sense?
 
@Cerberus If Mrs Nax asked Mah why he had stopped saying the prayers and singing the hymns, and he shrugged it off, then she knows. Trust me.
 
@DavidWallace At some level, probably.
@Mahnax Ah, yes.
That's always fun.
 
4:56 AM
I mean, obviously parents are still going to have sex.
 
Fun as in, the most horrible thing whose existence you would not even contemplate.
Aww.
Horrible, but cute.
Well.
You will laugh about it in ten years.
Or possibly even sooner.
 
No he won't.
 
Sure he will.
 
If my parents knew, for example, that sometimes I drink, then they would talk to me about it.
They always talk to me about things.
 
That's not as difficult a subject.
But OK.
 
4:58 AM
Right. So if they did know, then they would talk about it, yes?
 
@Mahnax Most likely, they know.
 
If you feel they always talk about things...
But this could be the first truly difficult issue for them?
 
Maybe.
It's possible that I'm wrong, I'll freely admit that.
 
You can't exactly be well-practised at hiding drunkenness.
 
I would just go on and see what happens.
 

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