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Jez
10:00 AM
Wordnik!
got it
:-P
 
user19161
Oh Reg seems to be online now as well.
 
@Jez Only one of those examples actually uses the word. o_O
 
@FallenAngelEyes very good point
 
user19161
@Jez Hmm, I am thinking of dating her myself, but I am fine with fair competition.
 
and that's merely stating what's already in the main article
 
user19161
10:03 AM
@FallenAngelEyes What does o_O mean?
 
@Jez why is this a problem? ambiguity is ubiquitous in language. if they is our new GNP, we can live with the singular/plural ambiguity, as well
 
@JasperLoy It's eyes. One eye is opened wider to imitate an expression of incredulity or befuddlement, akin to raising one's eyebrow.
 
after all, the entire purpose of the GNP is to allow you to be ambiguous about gender! might as well be ambiguous about number while you're at it
 
user19161
@FallenAngelEyes Ah I see, you're obsessed with the eyes!
 
@JasperLoy I do use many Eastern style smileys mixed in with Western. ^_^
 
10:06 AM
@FallenAngelEyes Oh, now I look at your avatar, I see the eyes. I just assumed it was a mighty tash!
moustache that is
 
user19161
@FallenAngelEyes And what does ^_^ mean?
 
user19161
@MattEllenД I thought they were wings but they are actually eyes.
 
user19161
@matt Of course I do know your email address since it is written on your website, so there is no need to investigate in this case!
 
user19161
It's probably lunch time for Reg.
 
Jez
@JSBᾶngs Webster's, and Funk and Wagnall's. illinois.edu/db/view/25/31097
 
10:11 AM
the opening quote of that article makes me want to scream
 
user19161
@JSBᾶngs Scream!
 
> Do you know how many paragraphs I've had to tear down and rebuild because you can't say, "Somebody left their cheese in the fridge", so you say, “Somebody left his/her cheese in the fridge”, but then you need to refer to his/her cheese several times thereafter and your writing ends up looking like an explosion in a pedants' factory?
 
Jez
Charles C. Converse was a great man. :-)
 
of course you can say "Somebody left their cheese in the fridge". THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SINGULAR THEY
 
@JSBᾶngs but would it feel right to point at a single person of indeterminate sex and say "them"?
 
user19161
10:12 AM
@Jez I only heard of Converse the shoe brand.
 
Jez
@JSBngs clearly wrong. Somebody left thons cheese in the fridge. ducks
 
@MattEllenД yes, but i expect that to go away with time
 
Jez
also i disagree with some commentators who say 'thon' doesnt fit well into English. are you kidding? it fits in beautifully.
 
user19161
I will wait and see if I get +30 again tmr. This person is very patient to do it two consecutive days...
 
Jez
it feels like an English word, similar enough to 'they', 'this', 'that', etc. heck, it's MADE from English words 'that one'
zee, now that sounds like an alien from the planet Zorg
 
10:15 AM
zhe?
zhis or zhers?
 
Jez
that's just ... how do you pronounce it?
it looks like a typo
 
> Despite this wealth of coinage, there is still no widely-accepted gender-neutral pronoun. In part, that’s because pronoun systems are slow to change, and when change comes, it is typically natural rather than engineered.
 
user19161
@MattEllenД That's a sound in Chinese.
 
Jez
'thon' is also easy to figure out how to pronounce
 
10:15 AM
finally, some sense in the article
actually, the article writer seems plenty sensible. it's the GNP inventors who are irrational
 
user19161
@JSBᾶngs pretty or plenty?
 
@MattEllenД i think it's zhe/zher/zher/zhers, although i'd also accept zhim for the accusative
 
@JSBᾶngs ah!
 
Jez
@JSBngs actually, as you have alluded to, it is we who are rational. it's the language that's irrational.
thon has it ass-backwards
 
@Jez i suppose i can do with that. viviat irratio then
 
10:20 AM
@MattEllenД Bwahaha
 
^ probably bad latin. can't remember the subjunctive properly
 
user19161
The only Latin I know is: Auspicium Melioris Aevi.
 
@JasperLoy It's like 2 eyes closed because you're smiling.
 
Jez
I suspect you know a lot of Latin through English, eg. ie., ps., etc.
 
user19161
@FallenAngelEyes I see, since there are so many I shall guess the meaning from now and invent my own too!
 
10:23 AM
u_u;
 
user19161
I have a feeling Matt will be the first to blog.
 
@JasperLoy I doubt mine will be the first article posted. The first article will be an "about this blog" article to let people know what to expect
 
user19161
After all you wanted to go to Japan to teach English.
 
that I did
 
Jez
you could start in England.
 
10:25 AM
you've read my website I see, not just visited!
@Jez :D I'm not wonder woman!
 
user19161
@MattEllenД Of course, I know more than you think about everyone here!
 
Jez
around here, people seem to be incapable of using the part tense of 'do' properly, too.
 
simchona already has a draft on the blog
 
Jez
god knows why, but you hear people saying "i done this", "you done that"
it's seriously grating
 
user19161
But I am sorry I have not checked out JSBangs website, no offense!
 
10:27 AM
@Jez er, that's a pretty typical feature of many dialects. i'm not sure why you find it surprising
 
Jez
really? news to me.
 
user19161
@Jez Short form of I have done this.
 
Jez
i always associated it with poor literacy.
 
american dialects. i forgot that you're rightpondian
 
Jez
no, "I've done this" is the short form
"I done this" is wrong
 
user19161
10:28 AM
@Jez I always say off the fan instead of switch off.
 
Jez
especially when the word "did" exists
 
user19161
@Jez Now you can go teach English in UK!
 
Jez
@JasperLoy then you say it wrong
 
@Jez in particular, it's associated with african-american vernacular in the US, as well as certain rural southern dialects
 
Jez
:-P
@JSBngs yes, and I always think it sounds frankly stupid
@JSBngs but the reason it sounds weird here is because this is middle England and it's quite rare
afro-american vernacular is saturated with atrocious English
for example, the inability to use the adverb
 
10:30 AM
well here it's common. it strikes the american ear in probably the same way that a yorkshire or cockney accent strikes the british ear: low-status, but familiar
 
user19161
I always wondered why steak is pronounced as stake.
 
Jez
@JSBngs I'm surprised... even in the US I'd associate it with Cletusville.
"Ah done theyt yestuhdey"
 
I tend to dislike cockney, but like Yorkshire accents. I don't know why.
 
Jez
if an intelligent speaker said it I'd personally be surprised
 
in the absence of other context, i associate it w/ AAVE more strongly than rural whites
 
user19161
10:31 AM
@MattEllenД you prefer cocktail
 
@Jez you're surprised at a lot of things that don't fit your prejudices of what intelligent people should do :P
 
@JasperLoy no, I prefer hen tail!
 
Jez
@JSBngs well that, and my experience
 
user19161
@Jez sometimes smart people invent their own way of talking
 
Jez
@JSBngs I just haven't heard most well-spoken americans saying "I done that yesterday", or what have you
well, I haven't heard any say it
but hey, let's not worry about proper grammar
 
10:33 AM
i had a jamaican professor in college. she spoke unaccented, mainstream american english most of the time... but once i heard her drop into an incomprehensible jamaican english creole, which was actually her native language. if you had heard her speaking that first, you would probably have considered her unintelligent (and you would have been completely wrong)
 
user19161
intelligence is also not well-defined.
 
Jez
who gone to cinema recent? there is good movies on soon or recent.
 
user19161
@Jez me just watches captain america
 
Jez
@JSBngs there is a strong correlation between unintelligence, and afro-american vernacular, is there not?
 
@Jez wow racism fail
 
Jez
10:35 AM
i mean when you see these documentaries with them "speaykin lahk dis", you wonder how they get any kind of professional job
@JSBngs not racism, no
maybe unintelligence is the wrong word. bad education
i just can't imagine that level of English being used in a job interview for a professional job
i think that may well be a factor in the relative poverty of the south
 
user19161
Sometimes I feel that education makes people stupid. They learn all the wrong things about life and so on.
 
Jez
Apparently the head of Faux News and Rush Limbaugh are best buddies.
 
user19161
And perhaps we become more foolish as we age because we learn more wrong things from this world.
 
Jez
i'm not a violent person, but if those two got trapped in a kind of giant blender, and it got switched on, the world would be a better place
 
@Jez this statement is true, but that's transparently a matter of cultural markers and context rather than intelligence
 
Jez
10:40 AM
@JSBngs you ought to mourn the death of the adverb. it's part of what makes english so wacky
using the adjectival form is normalization
reduction of the number of words
i did it good. he ran quick. I eat greedy.
 
on this side of the pond i don't see the adverb disappearing. i think that's a brit dialect thing
 
Jez
i'm referring to southern American really
 
@Jez i don't mind these.
 
Jez
so you don't mourn the death of words. :-)
let's normalize! newspeak
 
organic language change isn't my problem. i just oppose the engineered type
well, "oppose" is the wrong word. i think it'll fail, and don't particularly mind that it does
 
10:42 AM
@MattEllenД I mean, use he is you really have no clue.
 
Jez
well, i oppose language that sounds grating to my ear.
 
@Cerberus aye, that's what I was trying to get at.
 
@MattEllenД But when I see this person, there's usually a clue, one way or the other.
 
@Cerberus yes. but there will be times when you can't tell
 
Then I will probably have some first intuition.
 
10:46 AM
@Cerberus but if you were in doubt, would you say he anyway?
 
Probably not: visual contact makes me always follow my first intuition, until I get new information that changes my perception.
 
I've seen people where I think "hmmm, those could be moobs, or that's an particularly unattractive woman, I just can't tell"
 
Yeah I know those types.
I think I'd say he because I rather expect someone to male in certain situations.
You know, there's nearly always some subtle context that makes you think of one sex or the other first, somehow.
 
@Cerberus nearly
 
For example, if I have just been talking to women, then get in the bus, and see this ambiguous-looking person, I may assume intuitively that she's a woman, however irrational that may be.
 
10:50 AM
yeah
that's probably what I'd do
 
How do I wake up into a discussion that involves moobs? How?!
 
It is like two-sides dice, making visual contact: it somehow always lands on one side or the other.
 
@GraceNote it's the magic of the internet
 
morning @Grace. welcome to the incomprehensible room!
 
@GraceNote Not (merely) my fault!
 
10:51 AM
G'mornin ♪
 
hiya!
 
@Cerberus ...wouldn't that just be a coin?
 
@FallenAngelEyes Right! You're always ahead of me.
By the way, what are you doing up this early?
 
@Cerberus I managed to flip my sleep sched about to something somewhat normal for this timezone
 
10:56 AM
Yeah, isn't this very much not early for the Netherlands?
 
@FallenAngelEyes How did you do it? What is your magic?
I am trying to take two short naps today instead of a full night, see if that will change my schedule.
 
@Cerberus I stayed up for 22 hours straight
@GraceNote It's 1pm. That's uh, quite early in comparison to how late I've been sleeping the past few weeks. <_<
 
@FallenAngelEyes Ah so you basically forwarded a cycle. I am sort of trying to do that too, but with naps in between.
 
@Cerberus Yep! I end up having to do this way more often than is theoretically healthy. :P
 
@FallenAngelEyes That's missing half the day!
 
10:59 AM
@GraceNote Or I could look at it as you're missing half the night when you go to sleep early. ;)
 
@FallenAngelEyes I've done that only a few times in my life, and I must say it works. For a week or so, until I am back at my old schedule, hehe.
@FallenAngelEyes Second that!
 
@Cerberus Yeah. It's so hard for me to keep a normal rhythm. :(
My therapist says she thinks it's unhealthy though due to biological/brain chemistry reasons, so I'm trying it because of that.
 
@FallenAngelEyes do you not have a job? This is how I keep my rhythm
I have to be up at 6:30, so I go to bed around 22:30
 
@FallenAngelEyes Yeah, why exactly unhealthy?
 
@MattEllenД I do not, hence the difficulty.
 
11:02 AM
@MattEllenД Wowsers.
 
@Cerberus Brain chemical levels of stuff like dopamine and serotonin being more regulated if you have a regular schedule and normal circadian rhythm, exposure to daylight, etc.
 
@Cerberus i got used to it. Also it's how my dad was when I was growing up
 
@FallenAngelEyes I don't sleep through 12 hours of it. Just 4.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Hmm OK. I suppose it makes some sense. Though I object in principle!
 
@MattEllenД Aye, that always helps a lot. I'm a 5:00 waker myself.
 
11:04 AM
@Cerberus Haha me too.
 
@GraceNote Out of free will or obligation?
 
@GraceNote Flurglehork. I'd die if I woke up that early every day.
I can't stand being awake that early unless I've been up the night before.
 
Half the people are just early birds, the half night owls.
 
@Cerberus Both. I technically only need to wake up at 6:00.
5:00 gives me another hour to do stuff and be comfy.
 
@FallenAngelEyes The secret is if you wake up all by yourself, no alarm clock, no noise; then you feel OKish even at that hour. Provided that you did het 8 hours of sleep.
 
11:06 AM
@Cerberus Aye, though society has this idea that being a night owl is "wrong"
 
Being a night owl is functional and appropriate.
I just don't understand it much like most night owls don't understand how I can be a morning person, haha.
 
@Cerberus Even if I get a full night's sleep, when I have to wake between 5am-9am, I feel horrible.
 
@GraceNote You, my friend, are definitely an early bird. And an interesting species at that. You mind if I check the white tuft at your left wing?
 
And am also very bitchy. >_>
 
I mean, daylight! Sunshine!
 
11:07 AM
@GraceNote But nighttime! Moonlight! :D
 
You can use less electricity because daylight is stronger than starlight
 
@FallenAngelEyes I have to say: being up at 6:30 is not pleasant. I'd prefer to get up at 8:00, and then I guess I'd prefer to be up at 10:00 after a while
 
Early morning sunlight makes me grumpy as all get out.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Yeah sort of; and society basically forces the early schedule on people. Then again, the rotation of the earth might be part of the conspiracy too.
 
@GraceNote This assumes I light my surroundings. <_<
 
11:08 AM
@FallenAngelEyes There's a bit of irony in that I'm the most morning-person of my household, yet I'm the only one who can see in the dark.
 
Also, I have a bedroom painted black with black curtains so I can keep out the evil daystar.
 
@FallenAngelEyes No no, no "have to". But once, say, every two years, it happens that I had plenty of sleep AND wake up all by myself, and early. Only then don't I feel the terrible horror of getting up early.
 
@GraceNote I have crazy lemur-pupils so my night vision is quite good.
@Cerberus Hahaha
 
@GraceNote checks other wing Are you God?
 
@Cerberus I just eat enough carrots, I s'pose
 
11:10 AM
Our bedroom faces north so we don't really get direct sun and with it being painted black, it's nicely cool and dark. <3
 
@FallenAngelEyes That sounds decidedly dark.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Huh? I heard some people talk about a radiating ball hanging in the sky (yeah right!) when I am asleep. This cannot be true. Outside = dark.
 
It's awesome. When we moved out and got our own place, I said, "I have always wanted a black bedroom, so now I'm getting it."
 
I never figure out what direction is what from my house.
 
@GraceNote I know very well because our living room faces south and gets the sun the entire bloody day.
 
11:11 AM
I think I'm in the westerly direction, though.
 
Which can get very hot in summer because the wall is mostly glass because of the balcony doors.
Speaking of which, @Cerberus, we've had such a crap summer.
 
@FallenAngelEyes The only thing is that getting up is slightly less painful if you're already half awake by the time the alarm goes off, as opposed to the shock of waking up from deep sleep.
 
@Cerberus I can't wake up immediately from alarms.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Yeah I am enjoying it very much.
 
What I used to do in high school was set my alarm to 4:30am so I could get up at 7am.
Then hit the alarm every 8 minutes until then.
 
11:13 AM
@FallenAngelEyes Haha I like it.
 
I had to do it that way to kind of wake gradually, otherwise I couldn't get out of bed.
My sister hated it because my alarm was set to highest volume on the radio combined with obnoxious beeping.
 
I never hit my alarm. I often just fall asleep again while it's still going off, a very loud beep every second.
 
So she could hear it and my parents could hear it, but I'd often sleep through it.
I sleep really heavily.
 
Haha. That sounds so familiar.
 
@Cerberus I somewhat am. I can't take heat and humidity very well but July was just kind of a crap month for weather.
 
11:14 AM
@FallenAngelEyes That reminds me of some of my college friends. Namely, an issue where two roommates had the same model of alarm clock.
 
@GraceNote Obnoxiousness in stereo!
 
@GraceNote Oh my God... that is impossible! In either sense.
 
That, or the early morning PT guy bolts up to the wrong alarm clock.
 
@Cerberus I slept through fire alarms in university. :x
 
Nothing gets you up like jumping to hit the snooze button and nothing happening
@FallenAngelEyes Oh my
 
11:17 AM
Though they also happened so often that one time I was naked and in the middle of playing closed beta for an MMO I was really into, so I said sod it and stayed in.
 
@FallenAngelEyes That is way cool.
 
At least you weren't hit by the fire drill while showering.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Priorities!
 
@GraceNote Uuugh that would have sucked. I have really long hair, so it takes forever to rinse.
@Cerberus Exactly!
 
The fire would have dried it.
 
11:18 AM
@FallenAngelEyes Now make it night time in winter when this happens, too
 
>_>
@GraceNote Guh. Frozen hair != good.
 
If the alarm goes off so often that you don't fear it any more, that defeats the purpose kinda.
I'm assuming Grace is speaking from personal experience?
 
Yeah, they were overfond of fire drills in my university.
 
@Cerberus Or you could be confident in the fire trucks that pass by all the time.
@Cerberus Not my own, thankfully. But hallmates.
 
@FallenAngelEyes That is really dangerous. If you make people numb, they die in a real fire.
 
11:19 AM
Yeah. :/
I swear they sometimes did it as an excuse just to see what they could catch students in the middle of :P
 
@GraceNote They did? Well, I don't know, getting out a few minutes earlier might save your life.
 
When I was in college, there were two truths about Troy: It either raining, or it is on fire (a fire truck siren is blaring). Often it is both.
 
Troy?
 
I became immune to police sirens at Syracuse because I heard them all the time.
 
A city in New York.
 
11:21 AM
Syracuse is such a crap city.
 
By the way, why don't they announce those fire drills?
 
We only ever did one or two fire drills a year there, but they always like to pick the coldest day of the year.
 
Ah OK.
 
@Cerberus Then people'd cheat and just be out of the building at the time.
 
No, I mean, announce them the day before, or something.
 
11:22 AM
And you wouldn't get the authentic experience of telling people online "Be right back, house allegedly on fire"
 
They'd still flee.
 
Right, a serious disadvantage.
How does the government test public sirens?
Or whatever they're called.
 
I think those are coupled with public service announcements to warn just what the hejudas is going on.
 
@Cerberus In the village that I was nearest to, the fire siren went off at noon each day.
 
Here, they go off every first Monday of the month at noon. So when the siren goes off, I think "is it Monday 12 pm?"; if yes, just a test.
 
11:24 AM
@FallenAngelEyes That seems a bit too common to be of use.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Yeah exactly.
 
So if you heard it at noon, you knew it was the test siren.
 
I mean, what if there's a fire at noon?
 
@GraceNote Right, you could do that.
 
@GraceNote This is exactly what I always wondered.
But I presume the fire department would know that.
It was a very small village, so only... uh...
 
11:24 AM
Yeah every day seems way too often.
 
check wikipedia
 
People'd be all "Meh", they'd go back to sleep. Everything'd be all nice. Then they wake up, they're on fire.
@FallenAngelEyes Was it the village of Menands?
 
@GraceNote I am glad you are assuming now that people should be asleep at noon.
 
2,000 people.
 
@Cerberus I still think it's crazy but I figure it seems plausible for a sleepy village.
 
11:26 AM
@GraceNote Nay, I grew up more in Central NY than there, in the Finger Lakes area.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Ah. I only know Menands because we pass a sign for "The Village of Menands" every time we head to Troy.
My brother and I always like to concoct typical RPG stories about the villagers of Menands.
 
@GraceNote Haha nice try.
 
@GraceNote Ahaha, that's great.
Wow. I just found out Justin Bieber put on a concert at my high school from Wikipedia. o_O
They apparently won a contest in 2010. I was completely unaware of this.
 
Haha
 
11:48 AM
au revoir!
 
 
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1:35 PM
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Q: chat words while chating with buddies

Muhammed Rauf KMy mother tongue is not English.Let me know some good sentences while using chat with people whose mother tongue is English.

^ the very definition of "not constructive"
somebody other than me should give him a nice comment explaining why
 
Jez
what is chating
 
@JSBngs why some other than you?
 
@Alenanno i have neither patience nor time right now
 
eheh
just wondering
 
@JSBᾶngs I commented, then voted NARQ
 
1:42 PM
And closed. ♪
 
@GraceNote you like notes eh? :D
 
@Alenanno It's a thing I do, aye.
 
@Alenanno Grace Note is always singing.
 
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Q: Use of "compute" and "calculate"

Baby Dolphin Speed is calculated/computed as distance per time. Speed is a quotien ratio of distance and time. "Calculated" and "computed" can be used interchangeably, can't they ? In the first and the second sentences, which one is correct? Thank you

Dupe.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 More of a hum.
 
1:46 PM
@GraceNote Sadly Unicode doesn't seem to have a grace note character.
♩♪♫♬
 
@GraceNote humming is good as well, but saying the actual words it's better
:D
 
@Alenanno A lot of the music I hum doesn't have lyrics.
 
@GraceNote I agree then.
 
@Martha!
 
@KitΘδς Yes, hon?
 
1:54 PM
Hello there, you two.
 
G'morn, @Kit, @Martha
 
Sis!!!
 
@Marthaª Baby!
 
Cute!
@JPmiaou! Possible boyfriend for niece!
 
1:55 PM
Your niece's garment claims you love her. It's all soaked in milk, though, so it's not going to last long.
 
s/neice/niece
(Hit the up arrow to edit)
 
I haven't had enough sleep to spell correctlyl.
 
@JPmiaou As the attached diagram shows.
 
I'm going offline, later everyone!
 
See, proof. I'm going to leave that one unedited.
 
1:56 PM
Bye, @Alenanno!
 
:) waves
 
@GraceNote Morning!
 
So what's with the superscript, anyway?
 
So, anyway, @Kit, in case it's not obvious, @JPmiaou is my sister.
 
1:57 PM
Baby ambush!
 
@KitΘδς Aw!!!!
 
@Marthaª You've mentioned that before.
Hi @JPmiaou!
 
@KitΘδς It's just that she rarely shows up in chat these days.
 
I can't remember who's red and who's blue though.
 
hey guys, i just have a happy announcement: yesterday I sold a story to Beneath Ceaseless Skies!
 
1:58 PM
I'm red, she's blue.
 
@JSBᾶngs Yay!
 
@JSBᾶngs Congrats!
 
thanks @Kit @Martha
 
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Q: What's up with the strange characters in some display names?

drɱ65 δI assume it's not just me: Why have some users added special characters to their usernames? The list includes: Kit (now KitΘδς) z7sg (now z7sg Ѫ) JSBangs (now JSBᾶngs) Martha (now Marthaª) aedia (now aedia λ) Alain Pannetier (now Alain Pannetier Φ) Rhodri (now Rhŵdri) RegDwight ♦ (now RegDwight...

 

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