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F.E.
F.E.
5:34 AM
. . . scratch . . .
 
user116848
-------------> Arrowfar is here!
 
user116848
:)
 
user116848
Hello! pal
 
F.E.
F.E.
5:47 AM
What's up? :)
 
user116848
Hi!. Thanks, I am good. You?
 
F.E.
F.E.
Taking a break . . .
 
user116848
From?
 
F.E.
F.E.
Editing
 
user116848
Oh, that.
 
user116848
5:50 AM
So you are a editor or something?
 
F.E.
F.E.
Or something
So, anything grammar related?
 
user116848
touche :D
 
user116848
No today I have no grammar question. Good thing you are sparred from answering me :)
 
user116848
Whenever I write touche I miss the accent mark :)
 
user116848
Because I don't feel like using any symbols software on my PC.
 
user116848
5:55 AM
touché
Oh, I got it. Yay!
 
user116848
From windows character mapping tool :)
 
user116848
I didn't realize I was talking to myself all this time :)
Bye! dude. See ya. I gotta go get some tea and stuff.
 
user116848
Oh, you wrote something? I missed I guess. I had just left.
 
user116848
@F.E. So what did you post, c'mon post it again :)
 
F.E.
F.E.
It was a link to a recently posted question in ELL. Nothing really worth it--so I deleted it.
 
user116848
6:02 AM
Yeah, okay.
 
F.E.
F.E.
Yanno, a backshift preterite can also be found in mandative clauses:
> "They demanded [that the park remained open]." (CGEL page 995)
 
user116848
Let me look....,
 
F.E.
F.E.
When the matrix clause is headed by a preterite, or when its situation is in the past time sphere, then the subordinate clause can almost always be backshifted.
To see the difference between mandatives and non-mandatives, the info on top of page 996, [7], is pretty good, imo.
Also, the part about [8] on page 996.
 
user116848
@F.E. Matrix clause is same as the main clause? Which is "They demanded" in the ^ e.g.
 
F.E.
F.E.
@Arrowfar Yes.
It's the superordinate clause.
 
user116848
6:11 AM
@F.E. I see. And the embedded clause is "that the park remained open", right ?
 
F.E.
F.E.
yes.
 
user116848
okay.
 
F.E.
F.E.
The main clause is actually everything that is integrated (in that main clause), which actually will include the subordinate clause. But context will usually make clear how that term is being used.
When we're looking at pieces of a clause, often you'll see the terms "matrix clause" and "subordinate clause".
Generally, when backshift can occur, then that is usually the safe choice.
If backshift can occur, but the speaker/writer chooses not to use it, then that can often be risky.
 
user4550
user4550
@F.E. hey
I have to stay healthy and not eat fatty food.
 
F.E.
F.E.
@user4550 hey back :)
 
user4550
user4550
6:16 AM
What does this mean?
 
F.E.
F.E.
@user4550 What, that which you just wrote up above?
 
user4550
user4550
yeah
 
user116848
@F.E. Yeah I am listening........You can continue what you were saying when you are free.
 
user116848
Or was that it? I guess.
 
F.E.
F.E.
@user4550 So what is it that you want explained? The syntax? Or are you having difficulty in understanding the meaning of that example sentence?
@Arrowfar I was just rambling . . . :)
 
user4550
user4550
6:23 AM
it means "i gotta stay healthy so I mustn't eat fatty food?"
 
user116848
@F.E. I see. haha. It's okay. Thanks anyways :) Bye
 
F.E.
F.E.
@user4550 Pretty close. Perhaps more like: I want to remain in healthy condition, and that is why I am not eating fatty foods.
 
user4550
user4550
why close? Am I wrong? have to means mandate
 
F.E.
F.E.
@user4550 It seems that your understanding of that example sentence is good enough. :)
 
user4550
user4550
6:45 AM
thank you
 
Choko
Choko
7:42 AM
何このすきかた！
sorry wrong room
 
 
2 hours later…
user116848
9:47 AM
@snailboat Hello! Ms Boat. How are you today?
 
user116848
@Stan Hello!
 
Stan
Stan
Hey, just checking out the chat on stackex
 
user116848
Hmm
 
user116848
@snailboat http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16797240#16797240
I know ^ I used present conditional here, but is it easy to understand?
 
user116848
10:08 AM
So long guys! Ping me anytime :)
 
Anonymous
@Arrowfar It's not entirely clear to me what it means
 
Anonymous
Had … wouldn't might be better
 
Anonymous
You shouldn't say more better. That's a double comparative, and double comparatives are nonstandard
 
user116848
@snailboat But is there any way I could use 'present conditional' here?
 
Anonymous
What does the sentence mean?
 
user116848
10:13 AM
Let me look there....
 
Anonymous
I don't know what the "mods" and "too" parts mean
 
user116848
in English Language & Usage, 24 mins ago, by Arrowfar
@MattЭллен I think if they have a more better search option we don't have to use mods for that too, right?
 
user116848
@snailboat I meant to say that the search option in SE chat sites is not great. I had to get Matt's help to find my old entries. This is what I mean in ^ sentence.
 
Anonymous
What is too there for?
 
Anonymous
> I think if they had a better search feature, we wouldn't have to rely on mods to find stuff for us.
 
user116848
10:18 AM
@snailboat By that I mean they have other duties to the site too. And occasionally they help us clear some of our bad stuff etc.
 
Anonymous
Ah, I see.
 
Anonymous
Matt Ellen was acting as a regular user when he helped you find those things. It didn't have to do with being a mod or any duties he might have as a mod.
 
user116848
@snailboat No? So how come I couldn't find my old "I didn't know" entries.
 
user116848
He helped me get this--->http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/15975/i-didnt-know-instances
 
Anonymous
Mods use the same chat search interface as everyone else.
 
Anonymous
10:21 AM
So all I can guess is that he's better at searching :-)
 
Anonymous
It's a lousy interface.
 
Anonymous
Almost as bad as the main site search.
 
Anonymous
Like he said in that room, he searched for "know" then looked through the results for "didn't"
 
user116848
Try searching for "I didn't know". I couldn't find it, but he managed to. I don't know how except for his privilege as a mod.
 
Anonymous
Like he said in that room
 
user116848
10:24 AM
Anyways..............
 
Anonymous
he searched for "know" and looked through the results for "didn't"
 
Anonymous
Like I said, he has no special privileges re: search
 
user116848
Yeah. I guess you are right :)
 
Anonymous
Nothing at all to do with being a mod
 
user116848
Hmm
 
Anonymous
10:25 AM
Everything to do with trying to be helpful
 
Anonymous
Since mods don't have anything to do with search, when I read your original question I thought you might be using 'mods" in the other sense (of "modifications")
 
Anonymous
I don't think you can use what you call the present conditional there
 
user116848
I see. Or real condition if you may
 
user116848
@snailboat So Ms Boat I thiiiiink that..........I am not sure how to put this...erm.....
 
user116848
@snailboat That you are hot tempered. There I said it.
 
Anonymous
10:33 AM
Well, you do try my patience a bit.
 
user116848
Meaning?
 
Anonymous
You make me repeat myself a lot.
 
user116848
Oh, that. So that makes you tick and go mad?
 
Anonymous
I'm not mad.
 
user116848
@snailboat So seriously I ask again and again? Do tell.
 
Anonymous
10:35 AM
You often do ask me, immediately after I answer, pretty much the same question
 
user116848
Hmm. I'll try to improve myself. Good thing you pointed it out.
 
user116848
Yeah it looks like OCD on my part I guess :)
 
Anonymous
@Arrowfar And for example here, you ignored what I said and what Matt Ellen said, and then used the dismissive "Anyways..." as though to change the subject
 
user116848
@snailboat No you interpreted it wrong. I meant to use Anyways---> Yes to change the topic (because it almost looked like I was arguing about the search function), but No, I didn't mean to sound it like I was dismissing what you guys were saying. There you go!
 
Anonymous
Ah, I see
 
user116848
10:43 AM
Happy now. Like I said hot tempered :)
 
user116848
Anyways.............
 
Anonymous
Maybe so.
 
user116848
Me too. May be I am like that to. haha
 
Anonymous
No comment.
 
user116848
@snailboat Please do comment. I want to hear your thoughts, if you don't mind!
 
Anonymous
10:45 AM
@Arrowfar Hmm.
 
Anonymous
I think you try to control the conversation, to flip people's on/off switches. "I want to hear from you now." "I'm done hearing from you now. Please be quiet."
 
Anonymous
That's the impression I often get.
 
user116848
Nah. That's not true. I don't believe it.
 
Anonymous
Well, you asked.
 
user116848
But I think you 'mind' easily. That's what I have noticed.
 
user116848
10:47 AM
It's okay. Thanks for telling me.
 
Anonymous
Fair enough.
 
Anonymous
I will do my best not to trouble you again.
 
user116848
@snailboat So I wanted to ask you that when people use this expression "at snail's pace" it is almost considered a negative thing. So have you had any problems with this idiom with you liking snail and all?
 
user116848
@snailboat No it's okay, I basically like this and ELU chat sites, because users can interact here too apart from asking questions on the main site.
 
user116848
11:06 AM
Bye! then I guess. See ya.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
> Love is something that even by satisfying, comes back to you.
Hmm... Sometimes it's best to be left anonymous.
:)
 
user116848
A very strange sentence.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
:)
 
user116848
@DamkerngT. So Damks have you noticed what Ms Boat said about me controlling the conversation and telling the other person to repeat themselves
 
user116848
I don't think that's true, right?
 
user116848
11:12 AM
I am not a jerk kinda person, am I?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Hmm... I wouldn't like to be too nosy. :)
 
user116848
@DamkerngT. That's very wise of you :)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
:)
 
user116848
But I like all of you guys here. Seriously, good people :D
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
I think you aren't really a jerk, though. Then again, sometimes I think your exchanges in chat are a little too abrupt.
But that might be because it's a chat.
 
user116848
11:15 AM
Yeah. Please give me any e.g. because I want to correct myself that's why I thought I should ask only reputed users here.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Hmm... Like, I sometimes feel something similar on the main site too. The OP mightn't intend it, but it seems like sometimes they assume that it's a must that answerers must answer their questions, in the way that they like.
 
user116848
Yeah, meaning? I don't seem to follow.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Hmm...
 
user116848
You mean OPs want to get answers in a way that only they think are correct?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Sometimes it happened.
 
user116848
11:20 AM
Yeah but it is true. We all want answers that suit our context etc. Nothing wrong with it I guess.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Or sometimes I felt like their try to squeeze the answer out of the other. :)
 
user116848
Yeah that is my policy hahaha
 
user116848
:)
 
user116848
But not always. Only when I am in a hurry etc.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
There is nothing wrong with that (the desire to know), but I think it's better to assume that answerers on most stacks do what they do (answering) because they opt to.
nods
 
user116848
11:23 AM
Hmm.
 
user116848
Damks have you watched the film "Bangkok Dangerous"?
 
user116848
Bangkok Dangerous (2008 film)
Bangkok Dangerous is a 2008 crime thriller film written and directed by the Pang Brothers, and starring Nicolas Cage. It is a remake of the Pangs' 1999 debut Bangkok Dangerous, a Thai film, for which Cage's production company, Saturn Films, purchased the remake rights. Known by its working title, Big Hit in Bangkok, and also as Time to Kill, it began filming in Bangkok in August 2006. The film was financed by Initial Entertainment Group, with Lionsgate Films acquiring its North America distribution rights. The film was released in North America on September 5, 2008. == Plot == After completing...
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Oh, I remember that one!
 
user116848
Yeah? Good one, right?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
(I'm pretty sure that Nicolas Cage called his sidekick's name almost incorrectly all the time through the movie. That's what I remember. :-)
 
user116848
11:29 AM
:)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
I also remember that it was fun enough to watch.
 
user116848
He is Thai actor, right?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Yes. A well-known one.
 
user116848
Hmm
 
user116848
Ms Boat is very quiet. I wonder why?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
11:32 AM
She must be busy with something else. I'm sure.
 
user116848
I even pinged her twice before.
 
user116848
Yeah
 
user116848
Like Japanese and stuff :)
 
user116848
Well I am gonna be afk for a while. So long guys!
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Ahh... Have a nice day!
 
Anonymous
11:44 AM
@DamkerngT. A search on Google comes up with only the OP's question
 
Anonymous
Besides which, I don't see a relative pronoun…
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
@snailboat Ahh... That's what an anonymous aphorism is. :)
> Your poor examination result is due to the problem that you do not want to learn about grammar.
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/30004/object-complement-after-due-to
The problem (for me) is to find a good definition of the term object complement!
 
Anonymous
The title of the question is a little bit confusing
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
(When I search for a term and Wikipedia doesn't even show up in the top three, I usually doubt that term.)
 
Anonymous
I think in traditional grammar there are "subject complements" and "object complements"
 
Anonymous
11:52 AM
An object complement, then, is a complement that follows an object of some sort
 
Anonymous
I'm not convinced it's a useful term in this case
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
It sounds like an umbrella term for relative clause that modifies a noun, along with some other things.
 
Anonymous
But from the question body, it seems that they're asking about when it's appropriate to use that-clauses
 
Anonymous
Their first example gives "the problem [that …]"
 
Anonymous
A complement
 
Anonymous
11:53 AM
Their second example gives "units of property [that …]"
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
It's similar in the second example, too.
 
Anonymous
But this is an adjunct
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Oh, I parsed the second one differently!
> units of [property that were sold in 2013]
I think your parse is better.
 
Anonymous
The first that-phrase is not a relative clause. There's no gap for you to fit the head noun problem into.
 
Anonymous
The second that-phrase is a relative clause. It has a gap in subject position which is logically filled by the head noun
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
11:56 AM
nods
 
Anonymous
So the two examples are different from one another grammatically.
 
Anonymous
Neither strikes me as an object complement, if we're to use that term
 
Anonymous
But!
 
Anonymous
If we say that a preposition has an object
 
Anonymous
Then it makes more sense.
 
Anonymous
11:57 AM
(I would normally talk about the complement of a preposition rather than an object, but we're not in my personal terminological world here)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
nods
When I read object complement, I wasn't sure if it means a phrase that completes an object, or a phrase that is headed by an object, or something else.
 
Anonymous
It should mean "the complement of an object"
 
Anonymous
Likewise, there is the concept in certain grammars of a "subject complement"
 
Anonymous
In that framework, for example, when you say "A is B", A is considered the subject and B the subject complement
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Is it really useful to have both object and subject complements?
 
Anonymous
12:04 PM
It's not a concept used by any of the modern grammars I've read
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
I think both object complement and subject complement would amount to the same thing.
 
Anonymous
Complement? :-)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Exactly! :)
 
Anonymous
If you search online for subject object complement or such you can probably find webpages describing that other approach
 
Anonymous
I don't know details, I am only vaguely familiar with it
 
Anonymous
12:06 PM
It's possibly the same framework that brings you "attributive clauses"
 
Anonymous
Other people here are likely to know more
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Hmm... An example might be helpful.
 
Anonymous
I don't really want to explain this terminological framework myself because I don't use it and don't feel I'm familiar enough with it to do so precisely
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
That's fair. :-)
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Q: "Proof" meaning in maths and society

MadhuWhen we ask students to prove a particular result in a math class, students often reply with examples. For example, if I state: if a number is even its square will be even, and ask the students to prove it, they will reply with an example (such as, "The square of two is four, and both are even")....

concept-motivation mathematical-pedagogy terminology-and-notation
A strange question from someone who seems to be a math teacher (I guess).
 
Anonymous
@user4550 You could cite the actual source, then (the book you found it in)
 
Anonymous
12:20 PM
It can't be a really common saying if the only Google result is your question
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
What if I use shoot? Russia shot missiles at or on then? — Maulik V 23 hours ago
^It's nothing. I just want to bookmark that. That's all.
 
Anonymous
Ah
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
I'm not sure who upvoted this, but this sounds extremely unidiomatic to me - if someone said this to me, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I would assume that they are a non-native speaker. — jimsug 4 hours ago
To avoid any possible confusion, I didn't upvote that. :-)
But, hmm..., X are some of those that ... doesn't sound that bad, I guess. -- confused
(I guess I haven't used it before, though.)
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I think the answerer is a native speaker and was trying to fix the major problem they saw with the original
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
That crossed my mind too.
 
Anonymous
12:27 PM
The answer's text is grammatical
 
Anonymous
> Traffic laws are an example of laws that are difficult to enforce.
 
Anonymous
(Look! I'm violating the "subject-complement agreement" rule again! ;-)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Yay! :-)
 
Anonymous
4
Q: Can an “if-clause” be used as an extraposed subject?

AprilWhen a subject is a whether-clause, it can be extraposed: [Whether (or not) he comes] makes no difference.　　(basic version) It makes no difference [whether (or not) he comes].　　(extraposed) The logical subject is "extraposed", pulled out of its basic position and moved to the end of the s...

subject if-clause extraposition
 
Anonymous
Do I have to answer this? :-)
 
Anonymous
12:37 PM
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Q: Could someone PLEASE suggest to me ( other than GOOGLE TRANSLATE ) how I might perform such Fundemental & Vitally important

user3384768activities, like The ability to Navigate and Understand the Words Symbols & Meanings of the Site: TAOBAO.com? // ANYONE ??! I can't come up w/ a Solution.. I have asked in several ( 3 or 4 ) logical and sensible ways/places .. equal in caliber to this Forum +- 8% , The soluti...

translation websites
 
Anonymous
Is this a question?
 
Anonymous
> I have asked in several ( 3 or 4 ) logical and sensible ways/places .. equal in caliber to this Forum +- 8%
 
Anonymous
How precise!
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
I wonder how they measured that!
 
Anonymous
A logicosensibilitometer?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
12:48 PM
LOL
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. By the way, I think mightn't is now marginal in AmE
 
Anonymous
Most other contractions tend to sound more natural in regular speech, but might not sounds more natural than mightn't in AmE
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Ahh... nods -- Thanks!
 
Anonymous
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Wow!
 
Anonymous
12:57 PM
It's actually a starker contrast than that
 
Anonymous
If you look through the results, you'll find that many of the mightn't results are actually from speakers of BrE
 
Anonymous
So probably the real ratio is greater than 200:1
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
1:37 PM
hi
 
user4550
user4550
1:59 PM
@snailboat I am just interested in the grammar of it
by satisfying ... is the object not necessary>?
is nt it supposed to be "by satisfying it"?
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
 
Anonymous
2:16 PM
@user4550 I don't know, the original quote sounds kind of off to me
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
2:26 PM
@skullpatrol Thanks for the .gif!
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
@DamkerngT. np :D
like I said, his physique inspired me as a teenager
 
user4550
user4550
@snailboat i see thank you
What makes me embarrassed in being known will forever be kept in my heart.
I should say,
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
3:21 PM
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Q: What is this esoteric construction?

username901345What may make me embarrassed in being known will forever be kept in my heart. (Dangerous Love) BY EMILY WHITE What is this "in being known " part? What does it mean grammatically?

grammar
> (Dangerous Love) BY EMILY WHITE
Who is this Emily White and what is this Dangerous Love?
A poem? or something else?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
> It was the most helpless I have ever felt in my life.
An interesting sentence. I think this kind of pattern gives rise of the use of adjectives as noun. Can we think of it as an adjective? Let's try... It was helpless I felt. -- That's probably better with helplessness.
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
3:54 PM
there is someone from you understand french , because I have always some word in french I want to translate it in english and I don't want use a translater because they are always wrong
 
Anonymous
4:16 PM
@DamkerngT. "The most <adjective>" is definitely interesting.
 
Anonymous
It's another case where H&P suggest a word has two functions at the same time, something they call "fusion"
 
Zhanlong Zheng
Zhanlong Zheng
@DamkerngT. is a night owl. :-)
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
4:39 PM
if I want to get some idea from someone, i say to him for example :
in your opinion what's the difference between Integer and int Types in Java ?
here "in your opinion" it's true or no ?
 
Anonymous
@fahdijbeli You can say "What's the difference between the Integer and int types in Java?", but adding "in your opinion" is a little strange because it seems like a matter of fact rather than opinion
 
Anonymous
It's grammatical, though
 
Anonymous
(Remember that English doesn't insert spaces before tall punctuation)
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
@snailboat thanks but my goal isn't the question "What's the difference between the Integer and int types in Java?"
I mean how I employ in your opinion
but I found a solution I think "according to you"
it's true
 
user116848
@snailboat So you didn't reply me. About that idiom I was talking about!
 
user116848
5:10 PM
@snailboat What? Are you mad at me or something?
 
user116848
@snailboat Fine then. I am not talking to you either.
 
Anonymous
That's fine, it's just a strange question to ask
 
Anonymous
You could say something like
 
Anonymous
"What would you say is the difference between the Integer and int types in Java?"
 
Anonymous
That sounds more like an interview question
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
5:34 PM
@snailboat thanks freind :)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
@snailboat Fusion is a nice name!
@ZhanlongZheng Hee.
@fahdijbeli Another rather safe phrase is probably, "What is your idea about/on/of/for ...?". If that sounds a bit too terse, "I'd like to know your idea about/on/of/for ..." would also work.
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
ah excatly what I mean , thanks :) @DamkerngT.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
You're welcome. It's just an alternative to snailboat's choice. :)
If you want to make it a bit more formal, you could also use opinion instead of idea.
 
fahdijbeli
fahdijbeli
ok :)
 
Anonymous
5:52 PM
@DamkerngT. Opinion makes it more subjective
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
nods -- It sounds like it's what fahkijbeli wants.
 
Anonymous
Sure, that's the way to say it if that's what you want to communicate
 
Anonymous
I've just been assuming that it's not since it doesn't make sense
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
I think it depends on the situation and relationship. (Your version is more idiomatic, imo. My version is something I might use if I were going to ask someone I just met.)
 
Anonymous
(Similar to: "What's your opinion on 1 + 1?")
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
5:55 PM
^ That's probably not what I would say. :D
 
Anonymous
Well, that's the strange thing when you ask someone what their opinion is on a matter of fact
 
Anonymous
It doesn't appear to make sense
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
nods
 
Anonymous
It's not that you can't do it.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
"What's your opinion about the proof our professor used for 1 + 1?" makes a bit more sense, though.
 
user8153
user8153
5:57 PM
@snailboat Be it pride or pretense, I still think you are a lowly man.
 
Anonymous
@user8153 Uh… thanks? :-)
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Probably a quote. :-)
 
user8153
user8153
Is this the same as "whether it be pride or pretense, I still think..."?
 
Anonymous
Yeah, in Modern English we'd say "Whether it's pride or pretense"
 
user8153
user8153
i see. but why is this "be it..."
?
 
Anonymous
5:58 PM
I mean, you can still say it the other way, it's just old-fashioned
 
Anonymous
Subjunctive
 
user8153
user8153
i see
so "be it...or..." is more formal?
and fustian
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
It's something I imagine the villain in The Da Vinci Code would say. :)
 
Anonymous
It's archaic.
 
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