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12:28 AM
@snailboat Ah, thanks for the correction. I should've looked it up.
A good lesson for me. I should've insisted on my intuition. Not to be swayed easily, even after being insisted on choosing (from unsound choices).
@snailboat Maybe it's related to one of my questions!
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Q: Wow! Nice! I smelled you baking cake!

Damkerng T.Which one is grammatical? "Wow! Nice! I smelled you baking cake!" "Wow! Nice! I smelled your baking cake!" Both of them are acceptable, maybe?

It's nominative vs. possessive, though.
@snailboat I like of! (Though I think the sentence must've been a bit different, to allow the sense of of.)
@snailboat That makes two of us!
(I like Electricman's avatar, too)
 
 
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2:03 AM
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A: What does "cause" mean in many music lyrics?

Yohann V.It is an abbreviation of "because".

Yay, short answers can exist on ELL!
 
 
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Anonymous
4:43 PM
@DamkerngT. In the traditional set of case labels, it's nominative vs genitive
 
Anonymous
Rather than nominative vs possessive
 
Anonymous
But in this example, I'd suggest it's really accusative vs genitive
 
Anonymous
You doesn't have distinct nominative and accusative forms
 
Anonymous
But he/him does, and if we swap that in, we find him
 
Anonymous
Non-traditional case labels: subjective, objective, possessive
 
Anonymous
4:49 PM
Traditional case labels: nominative, accusative, genitive
 
Anonymous
They're just labels, and it doesn't really matter which system you use, but it's just a teensy bit weird mixing and matching :-)
 
Anonymous
In my experience, linguists almost universally use the traditional system
 
Anonymous
So I do too, just out of habit
 
Anonymous
I noticed some folks on ELU got a bit bent out of shape on seeing terms like accusative or irrealis
 
Anonymous
Interestingly, Wikipedia asserts that "most grammarians" now use the non-traditional system, but I've never seen a serious academic publication that did. I think the non-traditional system is often used by language educators, though
 
Anonymous
4:59 PM
I've grown skeptical of "most linguists" and "most grammarians" on Wikipedia
 
Anonymous
6:05 PM
@DamkerngT. I remember upvoting that answer! :-)
 
Anonymous
I do think it's possible to elaborate on it a little bit.
 
Anonymous
'Cause is short for because, true. It would help to talk about it's normally spelled with an apostrophe, and how if you leave it out, you might confuse people.
 
Anonymous
That might not be obvious to learners.
 
Anonymous
They could also point out that it's not limited to lyrics―it appears in all sorts of informal speech!
 
Anonymous
It isn't used much in writing, unless you're trying to making your writing resemble informal speech (like in dialogue or informal chat)
 
Anonymous
6:08 PM
And likewise, it isn't used at all in formal speech
 
Anonymous
So sure, it's a short answer. It's correct and it answers the question.
 
Anonymous
But there's certainly room to write a long answer.
 
Anonymous
6:23 PM
So I wrote one.
 
Anonymous
8:27 PM
And it got downvoted, interestingly! I can't see any mistakes, though, so unless I'm missing something, the downvoter is wrong.
 
Anonymous
10:07 PM
I down-voted it. I down-voted it because the only thing it contributes is unimportant details. It makes the overall question a bit harder to consume for casual readers. — Sam I am 13 mins ago
 
Anonymous
Well, now we know!
 
Anonymous
They didn't downvote because they found a mistake. They'd actually rather the answer be only one line
 
Anonymous
So @DamkerngT., now we have even more support for the idea that an answer can be one line long on ELL!
 
Anonymous
Not only is it possible―some users prefer it! :-)
 
11:10 PM
@snailboat It looks like so!
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Well, I was at least a little bit worried there was a factual error I didn't notice
 
Anonymous
Sometimes it's easier to find other people's errors, harder to find your own
 
nods -- It's not the case this time, though. :-)
 
Anonymous
So in a way I'm glad to read their comment, since now I know the downvote didn't signal a problem with the answer :-)
 
@snailboat Oh, interesting! So traditionally we should say it's accusative in you baking case. Oh, I see. Thanks!
 
Anonymous
11:15 PM
Or objective, if you like. The important thing isn't the label, it's just the distribution of forms: I saw him baking cake, but not *I saw he baking cake.
 
nods
It's strange that I didn't see it clearly until I analyzed it.
 
Anonymous
11:44 PM
Well, you and you are awfully similar.
 
nods -- Especially when I processed the sentence outside-in, not inside-out. (That is I didn't think of it and speak.)
 
Hi
"We have used the tight approximate formula" or "We have used a tight approximate formula" which one is correct
Or which one is better in this sentence
 
@barznjy I think the most important reason to choose one over the other is that, when your reader reads that line, do they (does he or she) know what "tight approximate formula" you're talking about?
 
11:59 PM
@DamkerngT. Yes they know
 
If they know, then go with the.
 

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