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9:00 PM
@IceLord : yep. I hope you're looking forward to the election:
LOL!
What a way to run a railroad!
 
@ACuriousMind I tried weighting the velocities, but I got the wrong answer (it's the evil webassign platform I'm using). The question itself is vague about it. That's all I know. I have 100 attempts, though, so I guess I can just try as many as needed...
 
Eh, well, I'd say that's a rather crappy question, then.
 
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@0celo7 my first year physics prof actually derived lorentz transformations in 1d properly (like in tong's notes) and made the distinction between minkowski space and spacetime.
 
user218912
I like this prof.
 
I like where these elections are going :3 hahaha
It's like the perfect storm
 
9:06 PM
@Danu You have weird taste :P
 
Hey @Shog9, see Danu's post above. Note that his name is in blue.
 
@JohnDuffield Please refrain from overzealous flagging.
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Wheeeeeee! *crash*
so.. what's the flag?
 
Ah, it's been a while since we had a 10k stampede :P
 
4 mins ago, by Danu
I like where these elections are going :3 hahaha
 
9:09 PM
@IceLord what is the distinction?
 
@ACuriousMind It's a symptom of the entire platform.
 
@JohnDuffield If you have a problem with a moderator use the contact us form to reach out to the stack exchange team. Don't create a mod flag asking for a moderator to be removed because they cracked some joke about elections.
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Who flagged?
 
@0celo7 ...
 
Oh JD flagged
@Danu currently in a lab
 
9:09 PM
Read before you ask :P
 
Yes but what did he flag
 
Let's drop this subject.
 
@JoshuaLamusga Sorry, what is a symptom?
 
See below :)
 
Oh, you mean the crappiness of the question is a symptom of the online platform
 
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9:11 PM
@0celo7 minkowski space is spacetime with some extra structures. it's explained in gourgoulhon's SR book.
 
Sorry, I wasn't prepared for such an innocent remark ;)
 
@IceLord wtf?
 
@Wipqozn : I used the available options.
 
No one says that, stop sounding like a crackpot
 
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@0celo7 lol
 
9:12 PM
Give me a page and I'll look at my copy when I get home.
I haven't had an excuse to use that book in a while.
 
user218912
page 25 @0celo7
 
user218912
have a lot of reading to do, bye
 
@JohnDuffield If you want to lodge a complaint about a moderator, use the contact us form. However, if all you're going to contact the SE team about is that @Danu made some fairly innocent comment about the elections you'll likely be ignored.
If you do think his message is offensive then use a 10k flag, not a mod flag. IF you're asking for a moderator to be removed, which is what you did, don't use a flag at all but use contact us as I linked there.
 
@Danu Instead of you filling the nomination comments trying to re-obtain Kyle Kanos' comment, I might as well tell you that his list was: Me, tpg, you, and Jim.
 
However if your complaint doesn't go beyond @Danu comment about the elections please don't waste the SE team by reaching out to them.
 
9:16 PM
@ACuriousMind For people he expected to nominate themselves?
 
@Danu Yes
And actually, his comment saying so is still under my nomination
 
@ACuriousMind oh, lol
when I clicked the notification it didn't take me there so I assumed...
 
@ACuriousMind I think Webassign is just being anal about significant figures. But anyway, the approach (which was super simple) was correct. Which is good, because it's really basic to me!
 
that could be. I never had to submit any exercises to such a system, luckily
 
Also TIL History of Mathematics and Science SE exists, which is pretty rad.
 
9:20 PM
I've never heard tad as an adjective before.
 
It says rad
 
@0celo7 I originally said tad, due to typo.
 
@ACuriousMind How does being a mod feel?
 
@Wipqozn Super rad!
 
9:21 PM
@0celo7 ?
 
@ACuriousMind you're a mod now
 
the election hasn't even started yet
 
Oh please
 
Also being a mod doesn't feel much different than being a regular user
 
You lose if, well, you can't. Even if you die you'll get elected.
 
9:22 PM
You just get to see all the super secret things other users don't. Also you can use mod abuse.
And, as any mod will tell you, mod abuse is the best part of being a mod.
 
I'm afraid ACM will abuse me :(
And not in the good way
 
@0celo7 I don't think that's clear. For example, both tpg's and Jim's questionnaire answers are currently higher voted than mine.
 
Oh really? Who is tpg?
 
@ACuriousMind Jim is getting more sympathy from da h4t3rz
 
talking about elections is so boring that the good ol' chat conversations seem interesting in comparison ;-P
 
9:27 PM
hah
 
@yuggib Not sure whether that's harsher on the elections or on the chat conversations :P
 
@ACuriousMind that is left to the reader's own judgement
 
@yuggib Exercise to the reader
 
9:42 PM
@Danu classify the simple finite groups ;)
 
Is k in $y(x,t) = \sin(kx - \omega t)$ supposed to be $\frac{2\pi}{\gamma}$ such that $\gamma = $ wavelength?
it's the angular wave number
ya it is. thanks google
 
10:01 PM
@MAFIA36790 These books are beautiful.
 
10:21 PM
@DanielSank Congratulations!
@JoshuaLamusga Bloody WebAssign uses the bloody sliderule-one convention even when the textbook you've selected doesn't.
 
@dmckee Hmm?
Webassign is terrible
 
And yeah, that leads to endless errata and complains from students who are doing it the way the book says.
 
Do they make you use it?
 
@0celo7 No, but for a while I needed some kind of on-line homework system to keep up with my teaching load.
I've also tried ExpertTA, which is cheaper and I suspect will be great when they get the bugs ironed out, but wasn't ready for prime time when I tried it.
 
How would I add something like people.reed.edu/~mayer/math112.html/html1/node16.html to my LaTeX bibliography?
 
10:27 PM
Don't. Just plagiarize.
 
@IceLord You can see a conversation between Shog9 and one of those who's nominations were nixed (something that can only be done at the highest level) in the election chat.
 
Depends what you mean by "more useful", I suppose.
 
Thoughts?
@dmckee Given his answer pretty much anything lol
 
10:38 PM
@Wipqozn That's the first time I've heard HSM referred to as "rad". But thanks! I hope you'll pop by at some point.
 
@HDE226868 Well I got a computer science degree, and was originally studying for a math degree so yeah, love both those things :P
plus history is awesome too
 
@Wipqozn Ooh, we need more comp sci questions.
 
^
 
Actually, we just need more non-math questions. But I find comp sci history particularly interesting, especially the early years.
 
The physics aspect of compsci that interests me is related to 3-d rendering engines. But I have other things I want to study first.
I'm sure in a few years or so I'll probably post a question like that and lessen the math : non-math ratio
 
11:15 PM
@DanielSank So, waves?
@Qmechanic Did you officially change your avatar or is the thing still being silly?
 
@0celo7 : I did nothing.
 
@Qmechanic Ah, ok. You look happier now.
 
@0celo7 : :)
 
Light green! :)
 
@ACuriousMind I have a proof of my locally compact subspace thingie.
It's inelegant, but elementary.
 
11:30 PM
@0celo7 Halp
 
@ACuriousMind Yes, this proof is GOOD!
haha
inb4 he says Banach's theorem is off limits :(
@BernardMeurer yes, my child?
 
yo how did you make that ncie list
I can't TeX very well
 
What is a proper way for me to describe that? I.e how to show my axioms for a field on one side and it's counterpart for my algebra on a another to demonstrate that my algebra forms a field
Which list exactly?
 
section 1
 
11:34 PM
If a toroidal equipotential is oriented in the $z$, does movement around the torus ring itself in the "radial" direction correspond to a symmetry/invariance? Is there a symmetry in this equipotential other than rotation around the $z$ axis?
 
the former example doesn't change the potential because you're moving around the equipotential, but unlike linear transformations it's unclear to me if the lagrangian is being changed by perhaps a total time derivative in this case
At first I had assumed movement along equipotentials would always correspond to an invariance but now I'm not so certain
 
cool
so what is the issue @BernardMeurer
 
@GPhys I'm not sure what exactly the issue is. You have a toroidal potential and you're wondering whether it's invariant under rotation around the z-axis?
 
3 mins ago, by Bernard Meurer
What is a proper way for me to describe that? I.e how to show my axioms for a field on one side and it's counterpart for my algebra on a another to demonstrate that my algebra forms a field
 
11:37 PM
Isn't it invariant by the definition of "toroidal"?
 
@ACuriousMind No, the other rotation. If it was a donut, rotation around the part of the donut that only contains donut dough
 
@0celo7 Look at Sec 3
 
Oh, @BernardMeurer use \usepackage[margin=1in]{geometry} to fix the margins.
 
@GPhys Which other rotation
 
mm, let me write it
 
11:38 PM
I'm not exactly sure what transformation you're envisioning here
 
@0celo7 Fixed. Nice suggestion
@ACuriousMind Any ideas?
 
If I rotate the donut around a doughy part, it moves - it's not invariant. I don't see any rotational invariant except the z-rotation here
 
@BernardMeurer well
stuff like this is not usually written down
 
@ACuriousMind In cylindrical coordinates $z\rightarrow z\cos(\epsilon)-r\sin(\epsilon)$
 
one scribbles it down somewhere and writes "the proof is trivial"
 
11:39 PM
and $r\rightarrow z\sin(\epsilon)+r\cos(\epsilon)$
 
@GPhys that's tilting the cylinder to the side, right?
 
I think that's right
 
Okay, I think I know what transformation we're talking about, but I don't get why this should be a symmetry
 
@0celo7 Well, yes, but say I want to show it explicitly. What would be a nice way to do so?
 
There is no "nice" way. It's a tedious proof
 
11:40 PM
Just repeat the field axioms and add a sublist proving them for $B$?
 
Worthwhile for a beginner.
 
@0celo7 nice graphically
 
@ACuriousMind I messed up the transformation some, but it's that transformation but translated so it's around torus (so that the potential is constant)
 
Oh...you could do a table, yeah
like
FIELD AXIOMS
and the other column BOOLEAN ALGEBRA
then list all of the properties I guess
 
@GPhys So that the potential is constant where?
 
11:41 PM
then work out all the proofs below
 
@0celo7 Seems fair. Let's try that
 
or omit those because they're probably easy
 
@ACuriousMind I don't want to beg but I really want someone to check my local compactness proof...
 
@0celo7 Will every element of $B$ be invertible under $\cdot$?
 
11:49 PM
I dunno anything about $B$
 
@0celo7 Read section 1
 
@ACuriousMind Okay, ignore the scale problems, but if that's the equipotential ^
I was thinking that movement around those circles would be an equipotential, but I think now I realize my idea of a toroidal equipotential is wrong because those aren't perfect circles
that rotation I drew is the transformation I meant to be talking about
 
I'm too tired...I keep reading "elections" as "electrons" and "positions" as "positrons". Damn you, i's and r's.
 
@BernardMeurer Ok, here's something you might want to know
how many elements are in the boolean algebra?
 
the potential probably actually looks something like that ^
 
11:55 PM
@GPhys Are you Secret?
 
what?
 
What is unclear?
@BernardMeurer what is a unary operator?
 
@0celo7 2
 
@BernardMeurer It seems to me that the Boolean algebra has just two thingies
@BernardMeurer Ok
THEOREM
 
@0celo7 An operator that only needs one operand
binary operator + -> a+b
 
11:59 PM
Up to isomorphism, every finite field is isomorphic to $\Bbb Z/p\Bbb Z$, for some $p$ prime.
 
unary operator - -> -b
 
@0celo7 Wrong.
 
@ACuriousMind I hate you
 
@ACuriousMind At any rate, I can generalize my question beyond this example. Let's say there's a potential that's constant along a helix (a helical equipotential) (say, with $z=a\phi$ in cylindrical coordinates). Is $z\rightarrow z+a\epsilon$, $\phi\rightarrow \phi+\epsilon$ a transformation that corresponds to a symmetry?
 

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