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abt
1:22 AM
@StanShunpike most likely because if you post an image then it is not searchable. for example if I need help understanding an equation, i may search it in latex form, and if your answer contains the latex form of the equation, then i will be able to find it.
also images may not display properly for everyone.
 
@abt That makes sense.
Okay, I buy it.
I haven't been doing it, but I didn't get why it mattered. That's a good reason. Although I thought search engines could search images...
 
 
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4:34 AM
@StanShunpike search engines can search images based on some attributes, e.g. the color pattern, so that given one image you can find other URLs where the same image occurs; they can also search by keywords given in the HTML close to where the image is embedded.
But I don't believe search engines do OCR on images. And even if they do, I don't think they can handle math.
Besides searchability, having text as text, not as an image, is important for accessibility measures, like screen readers, and also for the ability to copy and paste.
And this is an SE-wide thing. The whole system is designed with these factors in mind.
BTW @StanShunpike mind if I give you some feedback here on a flag of yours?
 
@DavidZ no plz do. The flags are meant to be helpful
@DavidZ I eventually typed out my whole question. No image :)
@DavidZ how can I flag better? I'm all ears.
I have been trying to actually look for questions I can answer. And as I read through, I just flag as I see stuff since you said volume wasn't an issue.
 
5:22 AM
whoops sorry, got carried away with some other stuff
@StanShunpike actually this is about the flag you cast for copyright infringement, on that question where someone was asking to get a PDF of an article. We don't/can't handle flags for copyright violations.
Certainly it was fair to close the question, but the reason is that it's off topic to ask for a free source for a paper which the OP already knows how to get at some cost.
It's not off topic because of anything to do with copyright, because (1) that question doesn't actually infringe anyone's copyright, and (2) even if it did, we moderators don't handle that.
I guess the point to take away is that it makes things a lot easier for us if you never mention "copyright" in a flag description.
 
 
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6:32 AM
@DavidZ fine. I will be more careful in the future that was sloppy. I agree.
I should have just said off topic.
That would have been sufficient.
 
@StanShunpike don't worry about it; this is not one of those things anyone would necessarily know without being told.
 
 
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11:24 AM
is there anything one can do about comments getting deleted? I replied to some and the OP just keeps deleting and posting new ones.
 
11:41 AM
@MarcelKöpke yes, stop replying. But, if you insist on continuing to engage the OP's comments, quote the OP's comment in your reply.
 
 
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1:28 PM
SE down?
 
@MarcelKöpke Not for me
 
hm strange. i can navigate to other sides, but not SE
 
What kind of error do you get? Or does it simply not load?
 
no ping response
ping on google and stuff works though
it's just not loading
 
Hm, I get a 100 ms ping for SE. Must be something with your connection
 
1:32 PM
seems something wants me to study instead of surfing on SE ^^
 
I once saw no imgur images on SE for days because my provider had some problem connecting to stack.imgur (not to imgur itself, strangely).
 
ah well working again
 
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Q: Vacuum Systems, Vapor Pressure, and Machine Damage

Candy ManWhen operating a vacuum pump, after we have pumped it to its (almost) limit, and want to pump it back down, we normally Turn off the Turbomolecular Pump first Turn off the rotary vane pump next But we do not do the reverse. So I have a few questions/ideas on the reason why we do this. I thin...

^too engineery?
 
dunno. an experimentalist would call this real physics ;)
 
That's why I'm hoping for an experimentalist to tell me whether this is engineering or experimental physics ;)
Since I tried to close this question because I thought he wanted to make his fridge less noisy, I've gotten a bit more careful.
 
1:47 PM
:D
that experimentalists, always tweaking their fridges ^^
 
2:21 PM
is this:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/174708/75518

a duplicate of this:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/174566/75518

or should they be handled differently since the one is asking for electric-field while the later for its potential
 
Note sure whether they're duplicates, but they sure are both off-topic as homework-like
@MarcelKöpke You're actually giving the full solution to the latter one, which is discouraged by the policy.
 
oh well, I didn't knew that. thought this site should be some archive of answers to certain problems. I just gave an universal answer, since that can be reused
 
abt
though if you don't give the full solution they will ask questions further to the point where you are giving the full solution anyway.
 
also it illustrates how an rigorous way how to solve the problem
most questions like this try to solve these EM-problems with some special cases for wires or so
thought that woud be usefull
 
@MarcelKöpke This site is meant to be an archive of answers indeed, but we don't really want to solve problems like "calculate the electric field of this charge configuration".
It's a continual debate on Physics Meta, but the current community stance is that we don't really want such homework-like questions, and we don't want them answered, either.
 
2:31 PM
hm. so what is this page for if not also for students struggeling on a certain point of study? (even if it is just calculus)
 
abt
is the differential forms form of maxwell's equations useful for calculations?
 
well they have the same value as the integral forms, if you say that they should hold for every volume
 
@MarcelKöpke Conceptual questions like: "What is the reason for X?", "Why do we assume X in this derivation?", "Why is this not a contradiction?" [Then presenting two different, but superfically correct ways of looking at something], "What is X?" [if not answered easily by Wikipedia], etc.
Answers may involve calculation, but the question shouldn't be about how to carry out the steps of the calculation.
 
abt
can you link to a calculation using the differential forms?
 
Essentially, look at all the questions not tagged .
 
abt
2:35 PM
I haven't seen it used.
(not differential form, differential forms form)
 
@abt I think most calcuations "by hand" use highly symmetric situations, and so use the integral forms to arrive at the result. You mainly use the differential forms when you want to numerically solve for the fields of more ugly charge/current distributions, I think.
Or wait, are you asking about $\mathrm{d}F = 0$?
 
@abt: $\varphi \propto \int \frac{\varrho}{|r-r'} d^3r'$ is not the integral form, it's the solution of the poisson-equations, which in turn is the differential form of some maxwell equations
for some boundary condition
 
abt
@ACuriousMind yes
 
@abt Ah, yes. No, you don't use that for explicit calculations.
 
Hi. @abt Differential form is derived from gauss law. We don't have to use it here, as question says
 
2:46 PM
@abt: this are coordinate independent formulations of the maxwell equations, just like using $\nabla$ instead of $(\partial x, \partial y, \partial z)$ in cartesian coordinates. one can proove things without reference to a coordinate system. but usually it's more easy to just stick to one and transfrom to another one afterwards
@abt: this things come in quite handy if you think about it in differential geometry terms, since most math-textbooks stick to the coordinate independent formulation of diff-geometry
@abt: for a lagrangian approch to electrodynamics one usually sticks to the EM-field-tensor instead of E and B fields, since the tensor transforms under Lorentz-transformations "correctly", while E and B cannot be extended to 4-vectors in this sense
 
2:59 PM
@abt: are u from germany?
if so I suggest you this book if you wanna see coordinate independent stuff applied to EM-dynamics or relativity
I'm not sure if there is a translation around
 
@MarcelKöpke students struggling on a homework problem are not our target audience
 
hm. and what is target audience?
 
@DavidZ Often it seems as if they're our actual audience, though :P
 
3:14 PM
@ACuriousMind yeah, because there are simply so many of them they overwhelm everyone else :-P
@MarcelKöpke in no particular order: (1) students who are actually interested in learning concepts, not just passing classes (2) as many researchers as we can convince to contribute
so I believe we have a chat session coming up soon
 
Daylight saving has confused me again, but I think it's less than an hour away.
 
@DavidZ: that would exclude students with interesst in understanding calculus concepts? e.g. how to solve a specific integral. those tricks applied are concepts too I'd say
 
Mathematics covers solving integrals.
 
@MarcelKöpke that's what Mathematics is for
 
well they'd say it the other way round I guess :D
 
3:21 PM
ah, well, maybe no SE site is for those kinds of questions
we only really decide what our own scope is, other sites can do their own thing
 
@MarcelKöpke No, they won't^^ math.SE is full of questions like "How to solve this integral?", "How to solve this equation?", and so on.
 
I think it's a question of how "high" one sets the threshold for question, that is which semesters one excludes from this site
now it's like semester < 6 are excluded
 
Careful, there's a big difference between defining our target audience and setting thresholds
 
@MarcelKöpke Nah, we also (often) close "higher-level" questions if they're just about solving an equation.
And I think even most of the conceptual questions (or at least those not closed as homework-like) come from the undergraduate or layman level
I wouldn't have so many QM answers if there weren't so many rather basic QM questions, for example.
 
hm, so specific problems are in general not allowed? or is it just specific calculus?
 
3:28 PM
Yeah... one of our guiding principles is that there is no threshold of particular subfields in physics, or particular semesters.
@MarcelKöpke anything asking "solve this problem for me" or "is this solution right" or the like is not allowed
 
"Could dark matter be [yet another string of made up crap]?". ::sigh::
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Good day to all the community of the h bar
 
::welcoming grunts from the assorted regulars at the bar::
 
@beginner or good night! (it's midnight for me)
 
3:34 PM
let me introduce myself, I'm from Colombia, I'm chemist and in my country I don't have a lot of referenced people to ask for, maybe, silly questions ... and this is why I come to this nice group to ask for help ... The first question I would like to ask is how to ask help from you?
 
@beginner: by not making fun of that germanwings accident I suggenst, glad you deleted that comment
 
ok and I agree with you that is why I delete, if this is ok, I excuse myself. I get upset because I ask for help to people, no to the ego of the people
 
@beginner (Assuming you mean on the site, you can ask anything in chat) Read through the homework policy and DanielSank's guide to question titles. After that you should have a good enough idea of what kind of questions we want, I think.
 
@beginner keep in mind that as long as you learn from your mistakes, we're usually pretty forgiving.
 
ok, I read it, I will have it in mind for next questions. But, How a person learn if that person does not receive some type of mentoring?
 
3:40 PM
You can learn by reading
and, in this case, by looking at examples of good questions and bad questions
Another thing to keep in mind is doing prior research. If you ask a question where the answer can be found by a simple web search for the title of the question, for example, people will not take it well.
(this is similar in spirit to what it says in the homework policy)
BTW @ACuriousMind since you brought it up, maybe today we can discuss -ifying the guide to question titles
 
@DavidZ What would...-ifying it involve? (Other than everyone saying: Yep, sounds good.)
 
@ACuriousMind changing the tag
or, I guess, I don't really know what it involves :-P (other than the obvious changing of the tag, of course)
I was hoping if I bring it up during the chat session someone would remind me if we have a procedure for these things :-P
Ah, it's "time"
Welcome to the chat session, everyone! It's been a while since I've been here to kick one of these off
Who's here?
 
4:03 PM
here
^^
what's a chat session?
 
hi @MarcelKöpke
it's just a time when we try to get people into the chat room
because nobody can be here 24/7, but chat sessions are the designated times when we try to make sure there is some activity for people to participate in (or at least follow along with)
Sometimes there is a specific topic to discuss, but usually it's whatever is on people's minds
 
Like Laura Mersini-Houghton's theory of black holes?
 
Hey there, @TerryBollinger, this time you're here at the correct time! ;)
 
Yep, I started Googling the UTC time to help my poor brain!
 
@TerryBollinger why not :-P
 
4:07 PM
what's this theory about?
(except for black-holes ^^ )
 
She has horizon bounces, not true holes. No singularities.
 
@TerryBollinger also if you register for the chat session you will get email reminders... though come to think of it they have been less than helpful for me. The email says "chat session in 3 hours" but it's sent 3 and a half hours ahead of time
 
Big holes, very slow bounces, they look just like what we see in galaxy centers.
Small ones, boom boom, fast fast, I like that, small ones make more sense to me.
... because hair-pin curved space = super hot space = rapid pair production, not just at the surface of the black hole, but also near it (is that heresy? don't mean it to be...)
 
so is there a paper on this? (a link would be nice)
 
Argh, it's from the Einstein edition of Discover, I was about to look it up myself. She's on like the next to the last page.
 
4:11 PM
yeap, there is always a point to start diffusing to the suburbs, best way (I though) is doing step by step with light
 
Hi @beginner, I so seriously started to interpret that as an event horizon comment... :)
... and maybe it is?
 
Here's a paper from her: arxiv.org/abs/1406.1525
 
eheh ... yes, I'm trying to see how beautiful is the parallel yard with all my respect of its own roots
 
@ACuriousMind, thanks! I've seen it before... the Discover article was a reminder.
Hmm, maybe a good topic for a future session, none of us know what's in it yet...
 
And here's the follow-up: arxiv.org/abs/1409.1837
 
4:15 PM
I'm late! Sorry :-(
 
Here's what I really like though: When I first read Kip Thorne's book, one reaction I had was to wonder whether the true (?) horizon that forms as a point at the center might repel matter (just a postulate). That would result in... well... a boom. So, when I found LMH's paper shortly after that (this was a refind), I was intrigued...
The nicest features of such a boom, which I don't know if LHM addresses or not, is that it would hugely simplify supernova explosions. They are just very short black-hole bounces in that scenario... rebound problem solved.
 
Has anyone had a look at phys.org/news/2015-04-physicists-method-variations.html ? "Physicists propose method to measure variations in the speed of light". As in, light used to do more than one light-second per second?
 
Have I mentioned that I'm not a physicist, so please ignore everything I say, seriously? :)
 
I guess there's some actual physics behind it, but I'm having trouble disentangling it.
 
I'm very cautious about all this semi-classical Hawking radiation business. It seems to me to be comparable to working with the old quantum theory ala Bohr-Sommerfeld and making confident predictions with that.
 
4:19 PM
@EmilioPisanty, that seems like an area that always leaves burns, sometimes small, usually huge.
@ACuriousMind, apt comparison!
Hi @GlenTheUdderboat, nice name!
 
@TerryBollinger Well, at face value, the paper (journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.114.101304) is just meaningless unless you're very careful with what you mean by "speed of light" (i.e. what you mean by length and what you mean by time). Which they don't do.
 
@TerryBollinger Hi Terry, don't remember seeing you here.
 
@EmilioPisanty I like the idea of measuring the rate of time...
 
Please, I would like to ask some bibliography to study quantum mechanics approximations (HF, RSPT, MPn, CC) in some easy way, like to beginners, thank you so much in advance for any reference
 
@GlenTheUdderboat, goodness, where have you seen me?
 
4:22 PM
@TerryBollinger On the question and answer site. But, if indeed you are new to chat: WELCOME!
 
@EmilioPisanty From that article: "But in some alternative theories of cosmology, the speed of light is not actually constant, but varies throughout time and space." Do you know a (serious) theory where this is actually the case? (The experiment probably still remains a good thing to do even (or especially) if there isn't, I'm just asking)
 
@EmilioPisanty actually I'm serious, the idea of time having a variable rate is easy pickings for computer types like me, but it requires introducing multiple levels of time. Of course I also like the latter idea -- of multiple time levels -- because I think you can come up with some really nifty resolutions of entanglement under SR. That really is a paper I'm trying to write, need to get around to it.
@ACuriousMind, @EmilioPisanty, it does seem like any theory like that needs to be reduced down to extremely quantitative predictions first.
After that, you might find that variable time is needed... or not. The predictions, even if true experimentally, might have simpler ways to formulate them in singular time.
There is also a synchronization issue with variable time ideas, as with SR when frames collide...
... and I will now, er, shut up and at least look at the paper...
 
They have a hefty reference section - 10 theory works. And also 7 works on the "controversy" on whether it means anything, which they heartily ignore, "while there is still much
controversy about them [4],".
 
@TerryBollinger Is chat where you try out the, you know, 'crackpot' thing? :)
 
@GlenTheUdderboat, you've got it sir, but with the very strong admonition to all that "I am not a physicist, listen to me at your peril!" But mostly I like to ask oddball and/or annoying questions from the perspective of information structure self-consistency.
 
4:31 PM
@TerryBollinger Well, that is exactly what we at chat aim for. Good.
 
@EmilioPisanty, $25 bucks from this locale, not on our internal list of free access. I must alas pass on that one. Couldn't make heads or tails of that abstract.
 
@GlenTheUdderboat, the paper I mentioned on two-level time for reconciliation of entanglement is serious though. There are some just delightful symmetries in SR that I don't think you can pull out fully until you present them from a computer-ish event modeling perspective.
@EmilioPisanty, thanks, bless be arXiv, they give me hope in a world of insanity!
 
@TerryBollinger 'Crackpot' theories are almost always serious. (Only pointing out the fact that seriousness is not really a criterion, perhaps unless reversed.)
 
@GlenTheUdderboat, seriousness is very much akin to certainty, and certainty is, alas, nothing more than an emotion. The emotion of certainty proves only that the person who has it is going to be very difficult to talk to, unless they realize it is an emotion and are willing to discard it in favor of detailed elaboration of their arguments.
 
4:38 PM
Although my history isn't good enough to give you examples of successful theories that started out as jokes.
 
@GlenTheUdderboat plate tectonics, meteor impact craters.
 
@Jiminion Really? Even by the people who proposed them?
 
@GlenTheUdderboat Feynman and Wheeler's one-electron idea might kind of qualify... not exactly, but it's the closest I can think of
 
well i guess special relativity wasn't quite elaborated when einstein proposed it first. he had to make some serious persuasion on conference to get it started
 
@GlenTheUdderboat no, just by everyone else. Maybe the flying spaghetti monster?
 
4:41 PM
@EmilioPisanty, interesting. Comments: (1) It's a deep-in astrophysics article, with lingo not known to other classes of mere mortals, and so hard to decipher. (2) It looks very much self-consistent, so I think it's real and specific, just hard to read due to the lingo...
... (3) What I think they are saying seems to be that if you postulate that large regions of space, without being in motion relative to your own frame, can have SR-like time dilations for any activity taking place within them, then you should be able to detect it through some sets of distance-related ratios.
I'm not instantly convinced that "SR-like time dilation in a region of space for which the objects are not on average moving in a different frame" is logically self-consistent, but it does seem like a plausible construct.
It would for light traveling through it be a bit like a region of space with a higher index of refraction... only of time, "time refraction"?
 
vzn
hi all ... like this regular chat session idea ... have a book for you all ... wrt some earlier discussions re bells thm etc ... just bought/ finished reading it.
written by an MIT prof. meticulously researched. cites many top physicists & their connections to the ~1970s "counterculture". found some amazing items in there. eg historically the (QM) no-cloning thm was formulated in response to the "counterculturalists" so to speak. also BB94 crypto was inspired also by their musings. etc
conterpoint for those who continue to dismiss/ devalue focus on QM "interpretations".
there are many blurbs by top physicists & scientists/ writers endorsing it.
a wild, previously hidden story!
 
user54412
@TerryBollinger Be careful. Supernovae are very complex beasts, and many of them leave behind neutron stars rather than black holes, so any exotica black hole physics can't be necessary for them.
 
Sorry to change the topic, butwhile people are still here, I wanted to bring up the guide to writing good question titles. I'd like to make it an official FAQ; any thoughts before we do so?
I think I might leave it for a couple weeks and finalize that during the next chat session.
 
If this question is allowed: Please, I would like to ask some bibliography to study quantum mechanics approximations (HF, RSPT, MPn, CC) in some easy way, like to beginners (I'm chemist), thank you so much in advance for any reference
 
So no rush to come up with thoughts now.
@beginner we have several questions for book recommendations for QM on the site.
Let me find you a link...
 
4:54 PM
@ChrisWhite, agree, very much. This is a rare forum where I'll mention chain-of-thought ideas, but for me they are exploration heuristics, nothing more. They led e.g. to my interest and curiosity about LMH's ideas, which otherwise I would have not noticed.
 
This is so far what I have done with Rayleigh-Schrödinger Perturbation Theory
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/174614/rayleigh-schr%C3%B6dinger-perturbation-theory-how-to-find-2nd-order-pertubation-to
 
@DavidZ How about improving its title?
 
@GlenTheUdderboat :-)
 
which is the basics to MPn (Moller Plesset)
 
user54412
I haven't done more than skim the work of Laura Mersini-Houghton, but my surface impressions are (1) sure, there are subtleties with defining true horizons and whether or not black holes really "exist" and (2) I can't really believe this has any macroscopic observable effect.
 
4:56 PM
@EmilioPisanty, BAO, wow, it's just the "patterning" of matter in the distant universe, e.g. the sizes and forms of galaxies would give some sale of how far they are if that patterning is consistent.
 
@GlenTheUdderboat :-P
 
user54412
@DavidZ I like it.
 
@DavidZ I thought Daniel's post looked good, but I think poor question titles are amongst the least of our worries.
 
@DavidZ, @GlenTheUdderboat, I see no intros are needed for you two...!
 
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Q: Book recommendations

David ZEvery once in a while, we get a question asking for a book or other educational reference on a particular topic at a particular level. This is a meta-question that collects all those links together. If you're looking for book recommendations, this is probably the place to start. All the question...

 
4:58 PM
Hi @JohnRennie!
 
@JohnRennie true, but the post is just sitting there, if there's nothing more that needs to be done with it we might as well faq-ify it
Not something we have to put much thought into
 
@DavidZ Agreed, and I think it's an excellent post.
 
@JohnRennie is this out-of-stream? Which post?
 
@TerryBollinger the "question titles" post by David
6 mins ago, by David Z
Sorry to change the topic, butwhile people are still here, I wanted to bring up the guide to writing good question titles. I'd like to make it an official FAQ; any thoughts before we do so?
 
user54412
@TerryBollinger Neither the phys.org review nor the arxiv paper seem to mention it, but this looks like a variation on the Alcock-Paczynski test (a good keyword, though it seems wikipedia has no entry on it)
 
5:01 PM
@DavidZ Good example David Z, I think Feynman thought Wheeler was 99% nuts... but he still took the weirdness and tried to quantify it... and it worked! Also, plate tectonics, wow, is there ever a great quote in the old Earth book by Life-Time.
@JohnRennie Ah, got it, thanks! Good topic. Bad title and all is lost...
 
@TerryBollinger Yes, though I fear a bad title often means the question is bad as well
 
Wow, that's not bad at all as an initial FAQ. For whatever it's worth, I'd agree with the idea of FAQifying it and letting it evolve as needed (the Linux Torvalds model).
 
@TerryBollinger Can you stop referencing CS stuff?
 
@GlenTheUdderboat Er... yes? Do I want to? Hmm! Linus Torvalds created Linux. He did it by quickly posting his first hack at a free Linux kernel, which he though would never go anywhere. Instead, it gave a starting point for improvements, and sort of took off.
 
5:08 PM
@DavidZ : As I have also mentioned to @DanielSank before in a comment, I think the meta post should be CWed before it could become a FAQ. Also It would be nice to have a TL;DR on top with the bare essentials and nothing more for the users that couldn't bother to read the whole post.
 
@TerryBollinger No, I asked you to stop. Maybe a bit early, but still.
 
rggrrg ... I feel more groggy that blind chicken
 
@DavidZ Is there any expectation that people who write bad titles read a FAQ?
 
Gotta go folks, always delightful talking with this group. I'll dig into LMH and maybe have more to ask later. @GlenTheUdderboat, I'll get that long list of random and anecdotal CS refs ready for you and sent it to you (just kidding, just kidding...)
 
@TerryBollinger Bye Terry
 
vzn
5:22 PM
@TerryBollinger just read that einstein discover issue also, great stuff
had a nice simple article on "applications/ verifications of SR/ GR" etc
very similar to this question, nearly a direct answer...
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Q: What experimental proof has been found of Einstein's theory?

user3764As a casual science reader, I've always found the implications of relativity (inconsistent clocks after near-light-speed travel and various space-time paradoxes) to be confusing and magical-sounding. Yet I know it's accepted as foundational to modern physics. What are some of the experiments tha...

 
Hi @Phonon
 
5:48 PM
@Qmechanic The TL;DR I like. What would be the reason to make it CW?
@GlenTheUdderboat no, but it's something to point to when someone does express an interest in improving their question
I think that could be said of the FAQ meta posts in general; they're intended more for us to show people after the fact, not as things someone should read in advance.
Sorry for my absence by the way. Bad internet.
(needless to say the "official" chat session is long closed)
 
@DavidZ Good points.
 
(not that that means anything)
 
@DavidZ : To e.g. encourage improvements from other editors. Like it is a site-owned post (where all have equal saying) rather than a specific user's post.
 
6:10 PM
@Self-MadeMan Hi, answered your 2nd question in comments
 
@Qmechanic The CW thing still bugs me. The only material difference is that users with really low rep would be able to edit.
I don't see that as a good thing.
The other change is that I lose my pretty octopus face stamped on the post, which is also not a good thing IMHO.
What happens when it's FAQified?
 
6:40 PM
@Qmechanic I guess that makes sense... it's really more of a symbolic marker than anything else though.
@DanielSank I was just going to change the tag
 
Thanks. But I can't upvote you twice. Sorry for that :) @Phonon
Stay tuned I may need you again :) @Phonon
 
 
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7:55 PM
@ACuriousMind Can you give a hint for this exercise please? Let $P(M,G)$ be a principal bundle and $\pi$ the projection. Let $X\in V_uP$ be an element of the vertical subspace of $P$. Show that $\pi_*X=0$.
 
@0celo7 You there?
 
@FreeMind Distracted by other things, but yes.
 
@0celo7 Do you know anybody in the chat room from Harvard University? I just want to know if anybody has some useful information about the Harvard Physics program.
 
@FreeMind Can't say I do.
 
@0celo7 Are you seriously 17? :)
 
8:02 PM
@FreeMind Yes.
 
@0celo7 And you are reading string theory? when did you learn calculus? Let me guess, when you were born? :)
 
@FreeMind I took calculus at my local community college after my sophomore year during summer.
 
@0celo7 The nice thing is there won't be any space for Quantum and Relativity in your age period.
 
@FreeMind Huh?
 
@0celo7 Probably it is weird for me. Can you tell me when you exactly started learning this all and how you handled it? I don't want to troll, just want to know how you managed these stuff, if you are really 17, you have been successful and I want to learn from you!
 
8:05 PM
@FreeMind How old are you?
 
I am 20
 
@FreeMind What do you know already?
 
@0celo7 I am just stuck in the first few chapters of QM!
 
@FreeMind Whose book?
 
@0celo7 QM-> Griffith, I am also reading Nakahara but the first chapter is walking on my nerve! Variational calculus in not tangible.
@0celo7 But the point is, you are 17 and you have read both SR and QM, probably GR and now you are working on your string theory knowledge!
:O
 
8:08 PM
@FreeMind Ok, Griffiths is a soft intro to QM. (Or so I'm told. I've never done more than leaf through it.)
@FreeMind Also QFT ;)
 
@0celo7 Just tell me how you managed through all of these stuff. In addition, when did you finish Electrodynamics? :O
 
@FreeMind Hah, never really did that.
 
@0celo7 Then how are you dealing with String theory?!
 
All you need are general concepts of electrodynamics.
 
@0celo7 Can you tell me what you've already covered?
 
8:10 PM
@FreeMind In what?
That list is pretty huge, and I'm not even that well read.
 
Both math and Physics
 
Jesus.
@FreeMind I made this for another user a week ago.
I know I'm missing stuff, but that should give you a decent idea.
@FreeMind What specific things don't you get right now?
 
@0celo7 You know, for instance, knowing GR without knowing Electrodynamics sounds hilarious. Because the main ideas which formed SR & GR have been rooted from the Electrodynamics, specifically, Electrodynamics of moving bodies ( Einstein's Paper )
 
@FreeMind When I say I don't know electrodynamics, I mean I couldn't calculate the current through a wire or the charge on the surface of the sphere. I know Maxwell's equations...and that's about it.
You don't need anything more than broad concepts.
 
@0celo7 Oh, I see right now.
 
8:25 PM
@ACuriousMind 180 to go. Hopefully, I will get this bounty, but I'm worried it will run out.
@ACuriousMind Ok, some thoughts. Since there is an isomorphism $\sharp:\mathfrak{g}\rightarrow V_uP$, I think that every vertical vector $X$ can be written as a fundamental vector field $Y^\sharp$.
Since $\pi:P\rightarrow M$, I think $\pi_*:T_uP\rightarrow T_pM$ where $\pi(u)=p$. We also have the general rule $(f_*V)(g)=V(g\circ f)$.
 
8:52 PM
@ACuriousMind Let $Y\in\mathfrak{g}$. Then Nakahara defines the fundamental vector field generated by $Y$ as $$Y^\sharp f(u)=\left.\frac{d}{dt}\right|_0 f(u\exp(tY))$$
Then I get $$\pi_* Y^\sharp f(u)=\left.\frac{d}{dt}\right|_0 f\circ \pi(u\exp(tY))=\left.\frac{d}{dt}\right|_0 f(p)=0$$ since $\pi (u)=\pi(u\exp(tY))$ which implies the result.
Can you tell if this is correct?
 
9:39 PM
@ACuriousMind Aww yeah, 130 to go.
 
Back in Germany!
 
wb ;)
 
Danke danke
 
@Danu Yaaaaay! ;)
 
Mehhhhh!
My room's internet ain't working. So now I have to sit in the kitchen to get my fix. Good thing my land lord/roommate is on a business trip :)
 
9:55 PM
@0celo7 I can tell that this seems to be correct :P
@Danu Your room's internet? Do you have your own router who's stopped working?
 
The router hasn't stopped working, I think.
My computers are diagnosing it as a modem problem
but I'm not sure if I should go into the other guy's room and mess with the modem lol
 
@ACuriousMind Ok, thanks. Is it just me or are there a lot of definitions when studying fiber bundles?
 
Algebra is a lot of definitions
and I guess bundles is like the algebra component of geometry
 
@Danu But how are you accessing it in the kitchen differently from how you are accessing it in your room?
 
Well, there is a very long cable that's leading to my personal router
 
9:58 PM
@0celo7 There's a lot of definitions when you are studying pure math :D
 
Anyways, that just gave me a great idea for a test that can preclude my router being the culprit
a.k.a. plug the cable into computer directly
brb
 
@ACuriousMind @0celo7 just wanted to say that too ^^ math = definitions with a few spare proofs within ^^
 
@MarcelKöpke @ACuriousMind I mean there are unusually many definitions.
 
right, just as I thought: The cable is not actually outputting any interwebz to my room :(
 
i guess mathematicians just define something else if they can't find the proof for something ^^
 
10:02 PM
I'm not sure I agree
I've read numerous famous mathematicians stress the importance of being really careful with definitions
 
@0celo7 Well, that's algebra/topology for you. They learned how to distill the essence of most things into definitions in the last century so there's not much room for proofs until you learned the language. The things you could prove are "trivial" because they choose to define stuff the way that most properties are evident.
 
Maybe it's fairer to say that there is a lot of terminology in mathematics (which, in textbooks, is presented in the form of definitions, sure)
 
yeah i was just exaggerating ;)
 
But the definitions that really count are really deep
 
@Danu Sooo...try with another cable? :P
 
10:04 PM
@ACuriousMind It runs from his room to mine
(through walls n stuff)
 
Ah, I see
 
what about another cable + wall?
^^
 
@0celo7: The bounty on the string question expires in one day. I guess you are not happy with the new answer, too?
 
@ACuriousMind Nope, didn't answer half of it and I'm not convinced the other half is right.
 
@0celo7 My sentiments, exactly.
 
10:06 PM
@ACuriousMind I've given it a lot of thought and have gotten nowhere. Gerard never got back to me.
 
@MarcelKöpke That's where talking to the guy first comes in :P
 
@Danu If only everyone was so thoughtful ;) I had my landlord once replace the door to the house I live in without contacting me first, so I couldn't get in :D
 
Well that sucks :P
 
Fortunately my flatmate was home (and had also been given my copy of the key)
 
Okay, that ain't so bad
 
10:20 PM
I really like watching Lindy Hop
 
10:48 PM
@Danu Well..you're weird :P
 
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