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12:02 AM
@ACuriousMind Why do you ask?
 
abt
hey 0celo7, what would you say are the prerequisites to weinberg's cosmology and gravitation book?
 
@0celo7 Because the only physics context where I've ever seen the Hopf fibration is in some descriptions of quantum computing.
 
@abt You have them.
 
abt
I can't tell.
heh
 
@abt What are you unsure about exactly?
 
abt
12:04 AM
path to that book.
what should i have before it
very generally
 
Should you know vector calculus well. Some linear algebra. Physics-wise, a good understanding of E&M is necessary in general. You should know some statistical mechanics and thermodynamics for the astro sections.
From what you've told me, a few Google and Wikipedia searches here and there should be all you'll need.
 
abt
well i have that already
but you are implying that it is accessible to me without zee or wald first?
 
Weinberg is on Zee's level almost exactly.
 
abt
idk
you mentioned it was pretty hard
 
His QFT books.
Even @ACuriousMind agrees on that point IIRC.
 
12:10 AM
@abt: your first GR book?
 
@0celo7 What? That Weinberg is hard? I dunno, like Danu, my main impression from the QFT books is that I dislike his notation :P
 
abt
ok then im kind of lost
what is the endgame cosmology text?
on graduate level
or texts*
 
"Cosmology" != "Gravitation and Cosmology"
 
abt
@MarcelKöpke yes
 
One is an intro to GR, the other assumes you know GR well.
@ACuriousMind I took "not for beginners" to mean "hard".
 
12:12 AM
Yeah, I guess it is indeed not for beginners.
 
@abt: I suggest to not go for weinbergs as a first book. just like jackson for electrodynamics. take something else before and than tacke these books. takes less time and effort and you have read 2 books
 
@MarcelKöpke G&C is not like that.
I don't think it should be your first GR book, but it probably can.
 
@0celo7: but there are way better beginner GR books than weinberg
 
@MarcelKöpke Ah, that was not a qualifier.
I suggested Zee or Carroll.
 
abt
12:14 AM
everyone suggests different things
someone else suggested to me
wald and hawking
 
For a beginner??
Lol who?
 
abt
yeah
grad student i know
 
I think Hawking & Ellis was a research monograph at the time.
 
read some pages of that nutshell book and you'll stick to it anyway ;)
just awesome fun to read it
 
@abt Zee and Carroll cover SR. Wald does not. Hell, Hawking doesn't even cover GR.
 
abt
12:17 AM
heh ok
 
@abt Maybe if you're going to a tier 1 university and have been groomed for advanced texts as a beginner, maybe.
But for self study? No way should Wald be your first.
 
abt
any lectures or notes to supplement?
are turok's lectures any good?
 
differntial geometry
 
abt
yeah about that
 
@abt Honestly Zee and Carroll are good enough.
I really don't think notes are necessary.
You have us for when you really get stuck
 
abt
12:20 AM
ok very well
which is great
 
@ACuriousMind Btw, was shooting today too. The 'Murrica runs strong in me.
 
abt
@0celo7 how long did it take you to finish zee?
approximately
 
@abt Less than a year. I read the first two thirds pretty quickly, read the last third later when I knew QM.
I know I was done by summer break. I started in October.
But like I said, I read other stuff.
 
abt
ok that is reasonable
then I must finish shankar and zee before sept.
should be feasible
then i can finally start contributing here
 
@abt well... just remember that a course like in shankar is (at my institution) a year-long three quarter course. I think the same can be said about zee.
 
12:28 AM
@NeuroFuzzy I think @abt loves unreasonable timeframes.
@NeuroFuzzy That said, I think this is reasonable.
 
@abt I don't recommend thinking in terms of contributing here but, rather, in terms of trading here. Don't be afraid to jump right in and write an answer to a question that you don't quite know the answer too. As odd as that may seem, you'll find your most valuable answers are those you aren't quite sure of when you take an interest in the question, focus your mind, do a bit of research and/ or calculation, and the write the answer to the best of your knowledge and ability.
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@abt See if you can get a professor to get ahold of the solution manual to Zee for you.
 
abt
@0celo7 I can.
 
@abt Send me pls?
 
abt
@0celo7 Yeah, I'll have to go to uni in a few days/weeks and ask.
though most likely they will, if they are able to.
I've asked for similar things before.
like past exams solutions or old problem sets
 
12:38 AM
@AlfredCentauri I agree. I wrote an answer on quantum mechanics yesterday. First time on a non classical mechanics topic! I was very pleases. But I also asked any willing chat members to proofread just in case. quality assurance since I'm a novice.
 
@abt Hmm, can you also ask for solutions to BBS String Theory please?
I have a partial solution set.
 
abt
it seems to be a long process to get one.
you actually have to send a letter in the post.
 
@abt If they use the book for a course, then they might have it already.
@abt Zee is not standard but I don't think BBS is a long shot.
 
1:19 AM
@StanShunpike I believe it is the case that answering interesting questions here is an excellent way to gain or refine you knowledge of the subject so keep it up. That what I mean by trade; ideally, you and some (if not all) of those that read your answer benefit from your effort. I actually have a lot more to say (write) about this but another time...
 
 
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abt
3:55 AM
@0celo7 it is not used, because the prerequisites for the gr course are a alot.
meaning that zee would be too elementary.
@0celo7 but i will ask anyway.
 
inhomogeneities is a funny word because of the ei and ie at the end.
 
@KyleKanos I lost 30 rep today from a user being deleted. You know who?
 
abt
They could fix their policy on deleted users, so that their questions, answers and activity remain, just that they are not tied to an account anymore.
 
@0celo7 Nope. Not generally privy to that info either
Fortunately, I've only lost 5
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Q: Don't throw away all votes when a user is deleted

Mad ScientistCurrently, when a moderator deletes a user all of the user's votes are removed along with the user himself. I was pretty surprised at this behaviour when I first heard about it, and I don't think it is a good idea to throw away all of the votes just because the user is deleted. Votes are locked ...

 
Most of the questions open right now are crap; either I don't know the answer (:P) or they are homework...
Or, of course, someone else posted an answer that I think is correct.
 
4:06 AM
It would make sense for two kinds of deletion, one with vote-removal, one without. If the user is deleted for good faith reasons (wants to leave the site, rage-quit, &c), then we keep the votes. If the user is an obvious sock/troll/etc, delete them. — Manishearth Mar 28 '12 at 13:40
That'd be a good plan, but do not believe it's active
 
@KyleKanos This makes sense.
Then we have questions like physics.stackexchange.com/questions/174401/…. I'm not sure if that answer satisfied the OP.
 
4:25 AM
@ACuriousMind Nakahara says Dirac spinors are sections of $(D,\pi,M,\mathbb{C}^4,\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})\oplus \overline{\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})})$ but this errata list says to remove $\overline{\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})}$. If this is correct, can you please explain why Nakahara made the error?
(Or at least why you think there could be confusion.)
My intuition tells me that a Dirac spinor should be a section of $(W,\pi, M, \mathbb{C}^2,\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C}))\oplus (\bar W,\pi, M, \mathbb{C}^2,\overline{\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})})$ where a right-handed Weyl spinor is a section of $(W,\pi, M, \mathbb{C}^2,\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C}))$.
 
 
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6:52 AM
Can we all agree that "photon" means "unit of excitation of a mode of the electromagnetic field"?
...and therefore "a photon" doesn't mean much without saying which mode (or modes) you're talking about?
 
7:03 AM
I haven't really looked at quantized electromagnetic fields yet (only phonons) so I'll say sure, sounds good to me! Or. not. I mean
"a unit of excitation of a mode of the electromagnetic field" is a photon. A photon. So it does say plenty about what you're talking about. It's a rather long phrase.
"@Jimmy360 do you refer to nerds creating negative using metal plates in vacuum or creating and the measure negative energy?"
that made me giggle way more than it should have
 
7:30 AM
@DanielSank yes
 
 
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10:18 AM
Would it be mean to post seemingly correct but intentionally incorrect answers to people's "slap in the homework problem and post" questions?
Cause I could see that being really fun.
 
@tpg2114 imo, yes
I think there's a soft question somewhere for seemingly correct proofs
 
 
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12:22 PM
@DanielSank I'm reminded of this: "All the fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no closer to the answer to the question: What are light quanta? Of course today every rascal thinks he knows the answer, but he is deluding himself." A. Einstein
 
@tpg2114 yes
@tpg2114 and yes
 
@DavidZ I refrained. But I really wanted to
 
12:39 PM
I am not a fan of having papers rejected :(
 
@tpg2114 I don't mind if the reasons are good.
 
@alarge The review was actually good, they just said it needs to be 3D and that it's not novel enough of a method for that journal. The problem is we know we need to do 3D but we started with 2D and are trying to write up what we ahve
It's pretty tough to "get started" with a method, it seems like everybody expects the very first paper to have every imaginable feature in it
The method isn't novel enough for a journal about methods, but the results aren't novel enough for a journal about the results... the only thing that is novel is getting the results with the method
 
Well I suppose maybe the journal you submitted it to is considered to be "too good" for 2D results?
 
I guess. My advisor is going to be really unhappy about it
 
12:56 PM
I've had several papers rejected, happens to all, especially if you aim high. Twice the rejection was due to very poor reviewers, so I just resubmitted those to the same journals with long cover letters explaining my disagreement (because I really thought the papers best fit those journals). Eventually both were actually published.
But peer review is basically about luck anyway. If you think you have a chance at one of the top journals, you submit it there. If/when it comes back, you submit it to tier 2, then to another tier 2, then to tier 3 etc. until you, by luck, get referees that ok the paper. It helps if they know you in real life or have big egos: if they don't understand the paper they'll ok it rather than tell the editor.
Which is to say that I don't have much respect for the peer review system nor the grants-by-impact-factor metrics.
 
@0celo7 I have no idea what your notations mean. I'd say that that a Dirac spinor transforms in a representation of $\mathfrak{sl}(2,\mathbb{C})\oplus\mathfrak{sl}(2,\mathbb{C})$, and that the bundle it is a section of is simply a vector bundle with that (4D) representation space as its fiber.
 
I've had some bad publishing attempts experiences. My latest patent effort seems to be going well, however.
 
1:12 PM
@Jiminion I've never personally had experiences with patents. Are you doing an international one?
 
@alarge Not at this point. Though I do have an international patent (India).
 
I once met a guy whose job it was to go to different trade shows/expos and basically find all the Chinese vendors infringing on their patents with their "new" products. That was for a company of course, not academic.
@Jiminion If you have a patent in India, can someone else in another country use the technique and not care? How does it work anyway? I remember going to some seminars on this topic, but can't remember anything else except it was basically too complicated and you should consult a lawyer.
 
Inconsistency in tags: says to use when talking about GR black holes and the like, but is a synonym of . What happened here? (@Qmechanic, since you're the tag overlord, as it seems ;) )
 
@alarge I did work with a lawyer. I think the patent is protection from people in that country using the technology. I had an item pending in Europe as well, but eventually dropped it as the costs were too high. The US effort also went South - repeated challenges, etc.
 
1:32 PM
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Q: Why is pale coloured skin said to absorb more UV?

karthikeyanMany resources state that light skin/pale skin absorbs more UV than dark-colour skin. Doesn't black absorb maximum radiation? For an example, see this article: Natural selection therefore favored a genetic solution to that problem by evolving to a pale skin that absorbs UV more efficiently.

on topic?
@ACuriousMind you can just edit the tag wiki to fix that
 
@DavidZ Thought about that one. I don't like it, but asking why a pale surface might absorb more UV than a darker surface seems on-topic to me.
 
I can't imagine what justification there could be for having the singular and plural forms of the tag mean different things
 
@DavidZ Yeah, me neither. But someone seemed to want that difference once, and someone else seems to have made it a synonym without fixing the tag wiki. I wasn't sure which version we wanted.
 
IMO whoever wanted that difference was wrong :-P
 
@DavidZ We-ell...according to the history EmilioPisanty introduced it and Manishearth didn't disagree with it strongly enough to fix it :P
 
1:45 PM
I still think it's wrong (I guess not really "wrong", but overly confusing) but it's probably worth asking @EmilioPisanty what his reasoning was
 
@ACuriousMind : Most likely at some pt the tag was pluralized, but without the corresponding update of the tag wiki. You (and other editors) are welcome to fix the tag wiki (and btw any other inconsistency, you come across). Else I will do it eventually.
 
2:03 PM
@DavidZ Not sure at all. Some conflict between the two definitions, and/or trying to make the tag make sense.
That tag wiki doesn't match the current usage, so it definitely needs another look.
I don't have time for it but anyone's welcome.
 
sounds good
 
Soo...do we want the tag to mean all singularities, all except the GR ones, or just the GR ones?
 
it's not like this is urgent
 
@dmckee Thanks for the info.
 
@ACuriousMind : In my opinion the tag should cover all types of singularities, i.e. from naked to non-technical usage, infinities, GR, non-GR, you name it.
 
2:57 PM
^That shouldn't look like that, right?
Can anyone see all five tags when trying to edit this question?
 
Huh, yeah, I get the same issue
I advise posting a report on meta
 
Okay, I just wanted to check the issue is not on my end
 
3:17 PM
@DavidZ Heh, I seem I'm not the first to encounter that, but apparently it happens very sporadically and only to people using IE up till now.
 
4:00 PM
@ACuriousMind : I also see the bug in the post you mention -- and come to think about it -- have seen similar behavior on other posts as well.
 
4:25 PM
@AlfredCentauri I'll be proud to have Einstein call me a "rascal".
 
5:15 PM
@ACuriousMind I see the same upon first loading, but I can scroll to the left (or simply press Home) and see the rest. If you can't do it then it's a bad [bug] but if you can I'd class it more as a quirk than anything else.
 
 
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6:33 PM
I don't care about reputation and I also don't care about down votes. But still, I care more about the latter. I'm sure there is a utility theory that allows for encompassing that.
 
 
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7:35 PM
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Q: Asking for level or background reading in the OP

irish physicsIs there any quick, easy way to include a "What level are you at (or background reading have you done)" in the greyed out text in the ask question box? I can move this to SE meta if needed. Apologies if this is a periennal topic, asked by every newbie like myself.

 
 
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abt
9:59 PM
is the answer i just made too pathetic? do i have to show diagrams and examples with definitions and stuff?
 
depends on what the OP wanted and how many upvotes you are aiming at ;)
 
Hi is this room about physics ?
 
@Ramanewbie Sometimes.
 
... @0celo7
@0celo7 Can you help me on a very basic question please
 
@abt You might want to know some basic QED and spinor stuff before reading Weinberg G&C...there are two or three sections about that.
@Ramanewbie Perhaps. What is your question?
 
10:14 PM
@0celo7 Consider I'm given the developped form of a molecule. What is the method to find any isomer ?
 
@Ramanewbie That is not physics.
 
Do you know a room about chemistry ? @0celo7
 
@Ramanewbie No.
 
I think chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3229/the-periodic-table is the one for Chemistry SE
 
@0celo7 Ok nevermind thanks
@Ixrec Thanks again, I'll go see there...
 
10:16 PM
the secret to finding these is going to the home page of the SE, then scrolling way down to the bottom and using the "chat" link in the footer; that gets you a list of chat rooms linked to that SE site
 
@Ixrec Nobody there !
 
perhaps you could ask that question on the actual site? =)
(I know zero chemistry but it sounds like a legit question)
 
What site ? @Ixrec
 
 
@Ixrec Ohhh... Thank you but I was looking for a forum actually. I need a quick answer
 
10:19 PM
nvm then
 
 
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abt
11:36 PM
@MarcelKöpke i am usually aiming for -1 or -2. ;)
 
downvotes? well -1 downvote is an upvote too ;)
 
11:53 PM
@DavidZ three questions: (1) i am correct I am not supposed to paste images of sections of a text but use latex, (2) if so, why? What's wrong with images, (3) is this just a physics SE thing or do all the exchanges from upon images?
 

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