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12:00 AM
@DanielSank mmm... I've found myself getting more extreme in some respects over the past few years
I'm really into the parts of physics you're not into, I suspect. Regardless, your main point is probably still right.
 
@Danu: How do you know what kind of physics I'm into ?
 
Hearing you talk, seeing some of your answers, general stalking. Y'know, that sorta thing ;)
 
@Danu: Right.
 
Anyhow, I find myself gravitating slowly towards things that go very heavy on the mathematics (and not the numerical kind)
 
@Danu: BTW, I must apologize for the all caps yesterday. I did that because people were teaching you how to work around having spaces. Learning to work around really bad practices is just asking for trouble and I really wanted to help you avoid headaches.
Anyway, all caps was no bueno, and I'm sorry.
 
12:06 AM
@DanielSank haha, don't worry man. I am not the one to take things too seriously. I don't think you could seriously piss me off through SE even if you tried ;)
 
@Danu: I'm the same way but I forget that others aren't. Also, all caps is really annoying.
 
...on the other hand, I find computer problems to be seriously enraging (almost punched my monitor today during that feynmp stuff)
 
haha
yeah
computers suck
 
@ACuriousMind No,nono!!! The question is: Why should it be charge
 
12:07 AM
I spent the entire afternoon yesterday learning how to deal with new line stuff in git
 
not how can I derive that it's this expression which we can identify with charge
...or that's at least how I read it
 
Uhhh...because charge is, tautologically, that which is flowing in the Noether current?
If it is not a duplicate, then I don't understand the question
 
@ACuriousMind Why is it the electric charge that we get out of U(1)
 
I honestly don't know if there exists an intuition for this
 
12:09 AM
Mhhh...because the U(1) symmetry is precisely motivated by the fact that the vector potential of electrodynamics has such a symmetry
 
lmao, the guy doesn't understand the interesting part of his own question. He just edited the title back to 'global' U(1)
sigh
@ACuriousMind Hmm yeah, that's right.
I wonder, actually, why it is usually introduced in such a 'random' way in QFT (just going from global U(1) of complex scalar Lag. to local U(1))
 
@Danu : That was me.
 
@Qmechanic Wait, why??
The question seems to be quite clearly about local U(1)
 
@Danu: Charge conservation does not follow from the local U(1)
 
(also, no offense meant by my earlier comment; it sounds kinda mean in hindsight)
 
12:14 AM
The "conserved quantities" for gauge symmetries are just the Bianchi identities for the field strength tensor
 
@ACuriousMind Okay...but the question...
maybe I was wrong to insist on local
I was just trying to stick to the original
 
@Danu : The simplest explanation is using Noether 1st thm, i.e. global gauge symmetry.
 
The gauge symmetry is local. The symmetry responsible for the charge conservation is the tiny global part of it, and it would be conserved even without electromagnetism, i.e. the gauge part. It's just another Noether charge
 
@ACuriousMind Yes, I know
 
Noethers 2nd thm with local symmetry is also covered elsewhere.
 
12:17 AM
I was just blinded by the fact that the entire body of the question is about local symmetry
@Qmechanic of course, that's true
I'll edit out the local/global thing; U(1) is what's importnat in this question
 
OP seems confused about which symmetry it is that leads to charge conservation, indeed they seem to believe it is the gauge symmetry
 
@ACuriousMind Certainly
...taking me with them :P
 
@ACuriousMind: it seems to me that he asked something else. One of his questions was: "I also want to know that if there actually does not exist any field without directly or indirectly originated from charges". I understand that this is the background of his problem. And please see what you say : "EM waves are vacuum solutions to Maxwell's equations, and the asker seems aware of that, so I'm puzzled what the question actually is"
 
@Danu: I think the confusing thing here is that the gauge/Lagrangian description already has the local symmetry built into it, because it is the right Lagrangian. The quantity conserved under the U(1) without the gauge field is not electric charge!
 
@Danu : Sorry for the rollback, it is important for me to stress that is global gauge symmetry, to avoid future confusion.
 
12:27 AM
Hi @Sofia.
 
@ACuriousMind: I believe that John Rennie understood the question the same as I, because I had with him some exchange of comments exactly in this direction - if we can produce (i.e. by reactions) e.m. waves (more exactly photons), without electric charges being involved.
@DanielSank : Hi, dear Danny. How are you?
 
@Sofia: Well. Do you wan to discuss the quantum vacuum? Also, Danny?
 
@Qmechanic You're in charge ;) I don't feel strongly about it (anymore) :P
 
@Danu : Yeah, usually I don't feel strongly either, but this subject is an exception.
 
...but I still disagree that it's a duplicate
 
12:31 AM
@DanielSank: I can't afford now. There is anti-phase between our times. When is mid-day in your country, it is past mid-night in mine. The best day for me to have a (serious) talk, is Saturday. In other days I am all the time interrupted.
 
@Sofia: As you wish.
 
Hi, everyone. Out of curiosity, did anyone see my comments yesterday on the "teen in space" question? Were they okay, or a little unconstructive?
 
@HDE226868 link, link, link!
 
@Danu page deleted!
I also deleted my comments, and left a note apologizing to the mods, as I felt I handled the situation poorly.
 
@Danu Here ;)
 
12:36 AM
@HDE226868: Water under the bridge, probably.
@ACuriousMind: Link is broken.
Er, not broken but page doesn't exist.
 
@DanielSank Only for users with low rep :P
 
*sticks tongue out at @ACuriousMind.
 
@DanielSank: please see, the problem comes from a certain result of a research of mine. A formula that I obtain there, seems to tell that during the decay, there is intervention of some additional energy. It bothers me whether such a thing can exist. But, let's leave it for Saturday.
 
Anyway, I took roughly 8 comments to get to the point where I felt the OP should have some sort of child protection official brought to her front door.
She proposed putting a teen girl into space to see if she would survive.
 
@ACuriousMind Take THAT
 
12:39 AM
@Danu ::tips hat:: Well played!
 
@Sofia: Again, I can't guarantee when I'll be here. Again, my email address is posted on my profile page. You are welcome to start a conversation via email if you wish.
@Danu: Haha, nice. Take that indeed, @ACuriousMind.
 
Note that this OP is the same.... person... that was whining about the reputation limits for commenting. It seems like OP has turned into an internet troll.
 
@Danu Nice. I bow to you. It got me about 30 seconds late; I deleted the comments, flagged the question, and gave up just before this was cached.
 
@DanielSank No one except yourself can see your email
 
@ACuriousMind: Ah.
 
12:40 AM
If you want people to be able to contact you by it, you should put it in the about me part, too.
 
@Sofia: My email is now accessible through my profile page. I apologize to you, as it was not previously viewable to you. There is a link in the personal description. If you follow it you'll find my email easily.
@ACuriousMind: Thank you.
 
@DanielSank: no, Daniel, it isn't there.
 
Isn't there a link where it says "I work here..."?
 
@ACuriousMind never mind, found where to read about it
(nevertheless, if you have some good QFT reading recommendations, let me know. I kinda hate almost every QFT text i've seen)
 
Alright. You know I'm terribly useless at recommending sources, anyway
 
12:45 AM
kk
I really try to be an expert on where-to-find-what
 
@DanielSank: No such link is visible. But, can't you write it here, as an answer to me in this room?
 
Could someone confirm that there isn't a link in the personal description on my profile page?
 
False. I found the link.
 
Same here.
 
@DanielSank @Sofia: The link is visible. If you click on the "here" part, you are led to a site with quite a few people on it, one of which is our very own Daniel Sank, complete with email adress
 
12:47 AM
@Sofia: Everyone else can see it.
 
@DanielSank didn't know google was working on quantum stuff
 
@Danu :D
@Danu: We are indeed. It is a dream job.
 
Probably we will all be either killed or recruited, now that we know
 
False
This was in the news...
;)
 
What are you working on? Qubits?
 
12:49 AM
Yup. Superconducting qubits.
 
What type of an approach are you taking?
Flux-based?
 
It's like being a grad student but with \infty resources.
 
josephson-junction type things?
 
Yes.
 
Nice, I like that idea
 
12:49 AM
@DanielSank, excellent, I found it.
 
Yes, it has quite some advantages over other systems.
@Sofia: Very good.
@Sofia: Btw, are you Greek?
 
ever since I read Feynman's description in the last chapter of his famous Lectures
^really good, by the way
(although he's not completely honest)
 
@Danu: That's funny. I never much liked Feynman lectures.
 
Me neither, but that chapter is top notch.
 
@DanielSank: Aaa, you work on quantum computing?
 
12:52 AM
I've not read his lectures, but I quite like his recorded lectures on "The Character of Physical Law".
 
@Sofia: Yes.
 
@ACuriousMind Give this last chapter a try if you wanna see some nice heuristics at work
 
@DanielSank: I am originally from Romania. Though Sofia is a very frequent name among Russians.
 
Quantum computing is a fantastic field as a physicist because you get to literally play around with fully controllable quantum systems. I feel like this has given me an unusual perspective on quantum mechanics. It feels very much less weird than for some others.
@Sofia: Ah. I was wondering how you were so easily typing greek letters in your answers.
 
@DanielSank: no, I had prejudgements on TeX., because when I did my 2nd degree in computer engineering I had an advisor that was forcing me to learn LaTeX, which was very much time-consuming with the software of those times. But, now I am using the TeX from the site you indicated, and it's nice.
 
12:58 AM
@Sofia: Yes, this site makes TeX easy to use. It's all thanks to a very nice ajax library.
 
@DanielSank: wow! 3 o'clock night! I rush to sleep, otherwise I'll get protests in the morning if I don't wakeup in time.
 
@Sofia: Ciao.
 
1:20 AM
Ah, just saw that the user who posted the 'girl in space' question as a meta post: meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/6337/…
Not sure what to make of it all. Best to just ignore it, I think.
 
1:32 AM
@HDE226868: Yes. Don't feed the troll.
 
@DanielSank Yes, I'll leave her on tpg2114's bridge.
 
@HDE226868: eh?
 
1:54 AM
@DanielSank In the comments, tpg2114 joked that s/he'd sell the OP the Brooklyn Bridge if she thought she could gain commenting privileges via money.
 
2:14 AM
@HDE226868: Haha, nice.
 
2:40 AM
hey guys, i had a quick question
does a black hole have free energy
 
3:22 AM
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Wow the M.SE elections do not look too appealing
@user507974 This arXiv preprint says that the Gibbs free energy does exist
 
 
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Q: What would have been required to boost Mir into a stable orbit?

EhrykIn 2001, the Russian space station Mir was deorbited and burned up in the atmosphere, after $4.2 billion in expenditures. As it was orbiting within the thermosphere, it was encountering perpetual drag and would have deorbited eventually on its own anyway. It weighed 129,700 kg in 2001. It's orbi...

I think that's off topic (or mostly off topic), but looking for other opinions
Pretty sure we can migrate it to Space Exploration if it is off topic
 
user54412
point (1) is a bit homework-y
 
user54412
point (2) may be off topic, but only because it is asking us to look up specs, not because "rockets are engineering"
 
@ChrisWhite yeah, that was my thought. If it were generalized to "how could I calculate how many launches of a rocket with thrust $F$ would be needed for...?" then it'd be fine (well, subject to our homework policy and such)
 
user54412
Overall, I'm not strongly opinionated. I think it would reach a more appreciative audience on Space Exploration for what it's worth. (I know, that shouldn't be worth much in scope decisions, but there it is nonetheless.)
 
user54412
@DavidZ while I have your attention:
 
user54412
5:54 AM
9 hours ago, by Chris White
Mods: do you want to be informed if I find a user that seems to want the account deleted (i.e. has "please delete me" as the only thing in the "about me"), but may have forgotten to make a formal request (or whatever it takes for that to happen)?
 
Hm, I'd say no. I mean, you certainly can point it out to us if you want, but I don't even know that we'd do anything about it.
 
user54412
ok
 
user54412
looks like the user hasn't logged in in months anyway
 
People can put whatever they want in their profile and we pretty much just ignore it.
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6:35 AM
@KyleKanos Maybe I didn't look over it very well, but I didn't see it say anything about if we were to assume the charge is neutral?
 
 
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9:10 AM
hm... what do you guys think about this
 
 
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12:30 PM
@DavidZ : I agree, the parts about physics is essentially Do my HW.
 
12:55 PM
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Q: Can we add chat oneboxing support for arXiv preprints?

Kyle KanosSE chat has a great previewer for non-SE links like Wikipedia, For those that are not familiar with arXiv, it is a website/service the hosts pre-print editions of articles in Physics, Mathematics, Computer Science, Quantitative Biology, Quantitative Finance and Statistics. I am occasionally li...

 
@Danu It...uh...is an answer. Probably.
 
1:09 PM
@Danu it's not obviously not an answer :-P
 
 
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2:40 PM
What do you guys think of my question?
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/151383/solving-special-function-equations-using-lie-symmetries
have you ever seen something so beautiful? By the end of this, the special functions will be child's play :D
Imagine taking the Laplace equation, knowing your coordinate system is ellipsoidal, knowing instantly that this will give you 3 separation equations (you can write down based on knowing it's ellipsoidal), then knowing those 3 ode's are basically just an un-factored Lie algebra representation of some conformal symmetry, allowing you to write down the solution using Lie groups instantly, I mean wow! That whole Lebedev book on special functions is just axed in half with baby pictures!
 
@DavidZ I wondered why I got a +1 vote on that one ;)
 
@bolbteppa: Ever since I realized the spherical harmonics are nothing but the representations of $\mathrm{SO}(3)$ I've also always wondered whether such an approach is actually possible in more generality, and if one can get the actually form of the solutions by such arguments. Unfortunately, I've got no answer for you.
 
Yeah it is possible, it's the subject of geometric representatiion theory as far as I know, and there's a book which unifies all those special functions + gamma function etc... by Vilenkin but it's so big and no pictures
 
 
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3:55 PM
Well that answer took too much time to write :/
 
 
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5:30 PM
On a side note, given that Shopping for physics equipment seems to be on-topic:
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Q: Is a shopping advice request off-topic in any case?

texnicA question has arisen if shopping advice posts is off-topic and should be kept closed. Examples: Fairly Broad Spectrum Light Source Options Refractive index liquids: Why hard to buy? Where can I get fluidics components? I realise that this is not a question on physics, but how does one othe...

Should we have a or something similar?
 
5:56 PM
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Q: Is there a printable version of posts in SE?

user929304Is there already a pre-defined feature in SE that allows one to print a post along with its answers and comments in a readable format? I have tried printing the page just via the browser, but it cuts through sentences and answers, and the outputs are usually very ugly (poor formatting). Since the...

 
@KyleKanos : Currently 9 for and 7 against. Let's not jump to conclusion.
 
What do you mean 9 for and 7 against? How are you counting that? The accepted answer has 10 up and 1 downvote
2nd ranked has +7/-0 and says that specialized equipment (e.g., hard to find ones) is on topic
Only David's answer says no and that's at +1/-3
 
6:11 PM
Well, I didn't want to go into details. I'm just saying that the picture might be somewhat mixed.
@David Z's answer is partially obsolete because it talks about an old Experimental or Applied Physics proposal, which might have left naysayers with no other option than to vote for Jeff Atwood's answer. Also David Z has a point: Shopping advices are not about physics. Moreover, they are irrelevant to most physics readers.
 
@KyleKanos: A question was posted "What's the Cause of Quantum Entanglement?" I know what will be the fate of this question - closed because a similar one was answered in the past. So, from the beginning I recommend not to close it, and that, because I answered to it, in detail, as for beginners in the class-room. I was a teacher for long years. Trust me a bit. People welcome very simple and clear explanations, with little mathematics, but very intuitive.
 
@Sofia Well, if it's closed as a duplicate, why not copy your answer from the closed one to the old one?
 
6:27 PM
@KyleKanos: no it wasn't closed. So, if it will be closed, shall I transfer my answer to the former question? It's an idea.
 
7:14 PM
@KyleKanos Can you tell me how do you know that a question has a duplicate? You know since you personally answered it? Or, how else? I would also like to know. Then I will look at the answer, and if it satisfies me, I won't invest time in answering again.
 
@Sofia It looks to me that they're both asking the same question: what is entanglement
 
7:57 PM
@KyleKanos: I see on the side of the screen with the details of the question, related questions. But, does someone follow after each question? Of course it would be good to stop the same question being repeated and repeated. But, it's a sisific effort to look at each question. Is there some utility that does that automatically?
 
8:13 PM
hey all, question regarding special relativity: if we define t' to be the time in a moving frame, and t to be the time at the stationary object, we know that t = t'/(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)). what if velocity is changing with respect to time? then, which time is the velocity a function of? would it just be a function of what you can measure? i.e. if you know the velocity of the object from a stationary perspective, then it would be v(t) and not v(t')?
i think this makes sense b/c if we measure the velocity from the moving perspective, the stationary object now is the moving object, and the moving object is now stationary from our perspective
 
8:29 PM
@KyleKanos: can you have a look? I answered a question, thereafter it was put on hold, and I got a -1 without any explanation. Is there a mistake in the utility? Nobody made a remark that my answer is wrong. A -1 without any justification happens to me a lot.
 
 
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Q: Reputation not changing overtime though questions answered

SAKhanFor a couple of dates my reputation is not being updated. Do you have some policy on that?

 
user54412
@KiranK. You can define it in whichever frame you want, and you can always transform to the other frame. In practice it would be specified which frame it is originally defined in.
 
user54412
Also be careful about omitting the x and x' from the Lorentz transformation laws -- once things start moving, you don't always have the option to say "everything happens at x=0 so I can ignore that coordinate"
 
10:52 PM
@Sofia: I think the downvotes are because your formatting is...unorthodox. It is generally disliked to WRITE IN ALL CAPS, just use italics ond boldface to emphasise things. Also, whenever you talk about variables, write them in LaTeX - it makes posts much easier to parse
As to how we know duplicates - when you've been around for a while, you recognize certain question, especially those you have answered. There's no malice in closing something as duplicate - if you think your answer adds to those already present, answer the original question, not the duplicate
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11:23 PM
@ChrisWhite Thank you for the explanation!
 
11:43 PM
@Davidz: Your recent postings about moderator elections have made me curious - who decides when it is time to elect more moderators? Is is purely at the discretion of the SE team, or are there "objective" statistics how many moderatiors a site "should" have?
For example, math.SE has already double the moderators that we have, but I feel the presence of moderators much more strongly here (not in a bad way!) than I do on math.SE
 

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