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7:04 AM
this notation makes me sad ;_;
 
yeah, eyes are not happy with that
@Relativisticcucumber anyway, your latest question about BEC, im not sure what you want more than the fact that Bose-Einstein statistics favour a LOT of particles sharing the same state.
 
7:21 AM
i wish there was a mathematics for theoretical physics course
 
@SillyGoose actually, miao miao benefitted a lot from one
but even that is not at all enough. There are just way too much maths that can be applied to physics
 
true dat
i really wish i knew diffe g...but maybe i can learn enough over this summer
 
123
7:36 AM
Hello Everyone..
 
123
What is the gravitational field equation in 2D in newtonian mechanics?
 
Depends how you derive it :p
 
123
At which i can find field at point in space as vector field by magnitude and direction.
 
depends on the context
 
123
7:38 AM
like the case of earth gravitational field
 
You can just pick it to be the same as the Newtonian one, the Laplace equation : $\Delta \phi = \rho$
In which case since it is in 2D the field drops off as $1/r$ instead of $1/r^2$
 
123
$g = \frac{GM}{r^3}\vec{r}$ is one dimensional
 
The force I should say
The field drops off as $\ln r$
 
123
how to do this in two dimensional in Earth case
 
@123 what context are you working in? are you trying to describe the force of gravity on an object close to the earth's surface?
and what do you mean by 2D? are you looking at the earth as if it were a circle drawn on the page and an object drawn above it?
 
123
7:40 AM
@SillyGoose I just want to create Earth gravitational field nothing else.
 
@123 this is a vector equation. why do u say it's 1d
this eqn is for 3d
 
123
@RyderRude because it has only $\vec{r}$ not angle
what is the description of "r"
 
$r$ has 3 components, so 3d
it has the vector r, not the length r
 
123
@RyderRude Can you pls share the equation of "r" which shows 3D
 
$r = x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ as measured from the center of the earth (most likely but it is hard to tell because i am not really certain what sort of context you are working in)
 
7:43 AM
@123 can u pls first describe what this formula means to u
 
123
@SillyGoose Thanks. What do you mean by context. Can you pls tell few example of different context.
 
@123 if you are writing down this formula then it sounds like you are doing a problem in which you are considering the earth and another object in space and considering the force one mass exerts on the other
alternatively, you can be at the surface of the earth and considering the gravitational force acting on an object near the surface of the earth like you do when you consider a baseball flying through the air
 
123
@SillyGoose No , i just want to draw vector gravitational field of Earth.
 
okay so are you just considering earth in space
 
123
@SillyGoose Yes
 
7:47 AM
@123 then the formula you wrote seems appropriate
for 3D
 
123
@SillyGoose Let me animate vector field using this formula. Then i share you.
 
i think you are missing a negative sign--the gravitational force should be attractive
 
123
I do not have problem with minus sign. but $\vec{r} = <x^2 , y^2>$ doesn't work
$\vec{r} = <-x^2 , -y^2>$
It is not looking spherically inward.
 
$\vec{r} = (x, y)$
 
123
What is the problem with my gravitational field
 
7:54 AM
if you are looking at earth in 3D space, it has gravitational field $\vec{g} = -\frac{GM_e}{r^3}\vec{r}$ where $r^3 = (x^2 + y^2 + z^2)^{3/2}$ and $\vec{r} = (x, y, z)$. If you are looking at just a plane in space (so specializing to 2 of the 3 dimensions), just set $z = 0$ and let $\vec{r} = (x, y)$.
 
123
but scalar "r" doesn't help in animating field.
Pls share equation of $\vec{r}$
Is it okay $\vec{r} = <-x , -y>$
 
the force shud increase as we go toward the origin
it is undefined at the origin
 
123
@RyderRude Aaah okay.. let me again animate
 
You should be trying $$\vec F_G=\mu\begin{pmatrix}\frac{-x}{(x^2+y^2)^{\frac32}}\\\frac{-y}{(x^2+y^2)^{\frac32}}\end {pmatrix}$$
 
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@naturallyInconsistent Aaah Thank... This is what i am searching for.
@naturallyInconsistent Perfect it worked thanks a lot
 
9:09 AM
the militaries of modern countries are something out of sci-fi when compared to the greatest militaries from hundreds of years ago
air force alone makes it a completely different thing
but in the movie Avatar, they show the old war techniques of horses and arrows winning over modern military tech in a war
but they didnt use nukes in the first movie maybe because of public backlash back on earth. in the beginning of the second Avatar, they use a nuke and win the war
 
let $M$ be a smooth manifold. let $x \in M$. i want to define the tangent space $T_xM$ as the space of all derivations over smooth functions at $x$ (with appropriate addition and scalar multiplication defined on the derivations).
I am a bit confused because wikipedia states that a derivation as $D: C^\infty(M) \to \mathbb{R}$, so it sends a smooth function $f: M \to \mathbb{R}$ to a real number.
Is that right? I would have thought that it should send the smooth function evaluated at the point $x$ to a real number, so $f(x = x') \mapsto Df(x) \lvert_{x = x'}$
 
9:33 AM
u can think of $D_{x'}$ as the map $D_{x'}(f(x))= Df(x)|_{x=x'}$. the input has to be the function $f(x)$, not the function evaluated at the point $f(x')$ becuz the latter loses the neighborhood information required to differentiate @SillyGoose
to be more precise, the input is a germ of functions
becuz the equivalence class of all functions, which hav the same neighborhood information around $x'$, get mapped to the same real number
 
i see
 
10:16 AM
Oxygen started out as poison for most of the life on earth
life persisted despite that massive catastrophe
now life has come to a point where we might start terraforming other planets after another 1000 years
 
10:44 AM
@SillyGoose it is in fact wrong. You should see it as a map $D: C^\infty_{x^0}(M) \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}$. $C^\infty_{x_0}(M)$ is usually called the germ of $C^\infty(M)$ functions at $x_0$. It is the quotient of $C^\infty(M)$ by the relation $f \sim g$ if there exists a neighbourhood $U$ of $x_0$ such that $f|_U = g|_U$
this is just telling you that the derivations at $x_0$ should only depend on the local behaviour of the functions at $x_0$
 
glS
@naturallyInconsistent sorry, stumbled about this conversation and am very confused. I know who you're talking about in MIT, but who is "miao miao" here??
 
 
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12:39 PM
@glS when naturallyInconsistent writes "meow" or "miao" he means "me" or "I"
 
I always thought "miao" was Italian for "meow." :P
 
It is
It's pronounced the same way
 
> “Meow” is an established spelling in English. Rossini spells it “miau” in his famous duet for two cats - but he would; he was Italian. “Miao” is the preferred French spelling.
re: Quora
cc @Slereah
Now I'm wondering about the German spelling 🤔
 
12:55 PM
@user85795 "Züfefrysvrfhrbden"
 
Thanks pal.
 
1:54 PM
What's a Cartan connection
 
2:20 PM
A connection that has a "translational" component to it
 
3:10 PM
@Slereah it seems related to solder forms somehow
 
3:38 PM
Ahh the translational part IS the solder form
Ohh it's called affine connection because of this translational bit
 
3:56 PM
8 latest consecutive questions all closed
Longest chain I've seen so far
 
hi
there was a spacecraft which recorded Saturn
these planets are hellish rubbles
i really want to be in different places of the universe, but our tech doesnt allow it
people get to be in the universe only to roam a point sized volume
 
4:23 PM
@SillyGoose all the big language of bundles and manifolds and derivations wasn't very helpful when it came to actually computing a simple derivative, there is a very deep lesson in this
 
5:13 PM
I love that bolbteppa is magically summoned as soon as there is a possibility of insulting bundles :P
Confess @bolbteppa you dream of bundles in your most gruesome nightmares
 
@Mr.Feynman oh, im sure he is admitting guilty of something
 
@user85795 miau
 
5:28 PM
anyone else get bugged out when people write the $dx$ before the integrand in integrals?
like I know what they're going for by making it look like an operator, but it just feels weird
 
I had a phase where I preferred that notation :P
nowadays I don't really care
 
real ones dont write the $dx$
 
@nickbros123 from what I recall in my shoddy calc on manifolds class, it does actually matter in some cases
 
@nickbros123 well, you kinda have to write it when you're about to do substitution or potentially work with more than one measure
 
what's really weird is this derivative notation
$d^2$ in the denominator
like again I get what it's going for, but just keep the notation conventional
 
5:33 PM
but sure, I, too, prefer the pristine efficiency of notation like $\int_V \omega$ integrating a form over a volume
 
speaking of the subject matter, @SirCumference, I recently bought the hard-cover version of spivak calc on manifolds :)
 
@nickbros123 I'm so sorry
 
@SirCumference xD
 
@nickbros123 go study biology lol
 
sad lyf
 
6:02 PM
@SirCumference Yes, it should be better written as solid angle
The power of two looks ugly
 
@SirCumference One becomes an adult when this becomes their default ;)
 
@bolbteppa I want to stay a kid forever then :P
it's just nice to have it clearly written where the integrand ends
also just looks more appealing tbh
 
only disadvantage is $\int (\dots)+(\dots)dx$ looks like it's enclosed by the integral and dx whereas $\int dx (\dots) + (\dots)$ need to use a bracket/parentheses to enclose what you're trying to integrate
 
6:17 PM
there ought to be an international mathematical committee that decides the convention for a lot of the notation
not that anyone would need to follow it, but we could deem any deviation from it as nonstandard
well then again, I doubt physicists would follow the conventions mathematicians establish in any case
 
Don't you think standards detract from the beauty of the art that is mathematics? :P
 
I do not, in fact :P
 
If one is to believe beauty is immutable and the way one perceives it doesn't matter 🤔
when one "understands" something in mathematics is like any other evocation :O
I was kinda tongue in cheek about it because I don't really think of math as "art" like most mathematicians do but now Idk
like how a piece of art can evoke deep feelings in some regions of the brain, math can do the same just in a different way..but one is emotional and the other is logical. I'm not convinced you can call them the same thing (calling math art)
 
$\int dx f(x)$ has always looked more badass, when you've suffered through qft you've earned the right to write this notation
 
I agree. But when everyone starts doing it, it becomes less cool like most things..
 
6:39 PM
@bolbteppa I realized I am a man by now when yesterday I wrote an integral with the measure after the function and I barred it to have the measure first :P
It's also much easier to read, so you know the variable first. It's similar to the Spanish ¿ (although we don't put the measure at the end too :P)
I can't let myself do that now though, not until I take measure theory. My prof would definitely fail me if I wrote $\int d\mu f$ :P
 
I remember purposely not doing it until I got to qft
 
What is astonishing to me is that somebody once mentioned it in the MSE chat and they were like "no one uses that notation"
I got a similar feedback when I used $\frac{1}{A}$ for the inverse operator and there was no way to have them accept it :P
 
@bolbteppa I don't trust the quantum physicists with notation after they started putting arrows on top of norms
or in some case, boldface
like wtf sakurai
well actually that's a bad example
but i swear it's something he does and it drives me nuts
 
I don't understand the problem :P
 
what's wrong with that notation
 
6:45 PM
Physics notation is just efficiency, when they write $|x|$ you know they mean a 4-vector (or an $n$-vector depending on the context)
 
@ACuriousMind I chose a terrible example in the heat of the moment
this one's better
 
I love the way you panicked right after sending that pic
 
like why is $J^2$ bold and yet $J^2_z$ isn't
$J^2$ isn't a vector
 
@SirCumference oh you mean $\vec{v}^2$ instead of $|\vec{v}|^2$?
 
6:47 PM
again, nothing wrong with that
since $\vec v\cdot \vec v = \lvert \vec v\rvert^2$
 
Because $\vec{v}^2$ is shorthand for $\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}$
 
it's just that it's bizarre to write norms (scalars) in the same fashion as vectors
 
and of course $\vec J = (J_x,J_y,J_z)$ is a vector (operator)
 
Like this isn't a thing that most people do outside of QM anyways
Usually in classical mechanics people would just write $J^2$ without the boldface
 
So, if you want to nitpick: $|\vec{v}|^2$ is by definition $\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}$, while $\vec{v}^2$ is just a shorthand for the latter
 
6:49 PM
and more generally mathematicians don't even use arrows or boldface when writing vectors in linear algebra
@Mr.Feynman Most people would just write $v^2 = \vec{v} \cdot \vec{v}$
I mean I guess it doesn't really matter, but it just feels weird to see arrows on top of scalars
 
@SirCumference in that case they mean $|\vec{J}|^2$ of course but it's potentially confusing to use square without either $|\cdot|$ or $^2$
 
@Mr.Feynman well that is true
 
@SirCumference that's because in classical mechanics there is always a number $J$ - the QM intro text is emphasizing that while the operator $\vec J^2$ is a scalar operator, there is no scalar operator $J$ that you could square
 
@ACuriousMind I mean I feel like that really only needs a paragraph of explanation
not modifying the whole notation in the book
 
sure there's other ways to do that, but it's just a choice of convention
 
6:52 PM
I guess so
 
I love also that the discussions about notations are the most heated up :P
 
there's nothing wrong about doing this, and it is internally consistent
 
like most things, how we feel about convention is arbitrary
but some things just stick out like a sore thumb to me
@Mr.Feynman that is true lol
 
All physicists know that conventions are conventions and yet they'd be ready to kill to defend their favorite one
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quite so
 
6:54 PM
@Mr.Feynman for me it's more that I rag on physicists for not doing math properly all the time, so I feel some need to defend them when they're just being a bit silly about notation :P
 
I wonder what physics would look like if they followed all the advice of mathematicians
well I guess just mathematical physics
but I'm curious if it'd really make the major topics that much harder to learn
 
@ACuriousMind we kind of are on the same boat, yet
it is time to torture ACM now. Let's switch to passive vs active stuff
 
Active vs passive can get you into real trouble unfortunately
 
@SirCumference still studying simple pendula
@bolbteppa Most definitely, I hate discussing that stuff
Every time I manage to get myself confused
 
7:52 PM
@bolbteppa true it’s not so useful for computing things…but one doesn’t really need to know much at all to compute things. The “abstract nonsense” is my preferred way of organizing information in my head :P
It is hard to visualize the abstract holonomy of a connection…and i prefer to think in words anyways. “Abstract nonsense” also lets you recognize things in the future with little additional effort
it also just answers questions that people maybe are okay with glossing over but which seem pretty fundamental. like why should the connection 1-form be lie algebra valued? and the lie algebra of the structure group no less. well the answer is answered immediately if one just constructs it, and the construction is quite natural
@SirCumference i like it :D it makes me not forget to add the measure in the first place lol
a lot of stuff even in the abstract nonsense just seems to be linear algebra anyways...
 
8:16 PM
How does an LLM like chatgpt or any of the other ones correctly analyze problems?
I know at the end of the day it's just a brute forced non-intelligent piece of code but it's weird how it can do moderate computations and problems
 
 
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10:36 PM
@SirCumference Have you tried reading a quantum mechanics book written for mathematicians?
It's impossible to decipher what is actually going on lol
 
11:03 PM
what do you mean ;)
 
11:17 PM
lol precisely
 
11:47 PM
let $P$ be a principal bundle. define a connection on $P$. i am trying to show the equivalence of the horizontal subspaces defined by the corresponding connection one-form and the horizontal subspaces defined by the definition of a connection.
I should be able to ignore definition 10.4 and from the listed properties in the definitions show that $X \in H_pP$ iff $X \in \ker\omega_p$
Nakahara proves one direction in the text, so I am attempting the other direction and got to this point.
However, I am not sure how to show that $(10)$ vanishes
 
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