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2:00 PM
What gets me is how people will pontificate about QFT or string theory when they don't know even the basics about it.
Presumably these people would spend their spare time telling Lewis Hamilton how to drive or Novak Djokovic how to play tennis.
 
It's a funny analogy, really.
It really is similar to something like a mid-level amateur tennis player telling a top-100 player: WHAT THE HELL DUDE YOUR TECHNIQUE IS RETARDED!
(the rudeness of the suggestion is captured by the allcaps, if not by the wording)
 
@JohnRennie Many people sit in front of their TVs and tell the top football players/trainers how they should play, so that's not an implausible scenario to me :P
 
@ACuriousMind Come on, we all do that! We just don't (most of us) actually mean it. That is, our grip on the real world hasn't actually slipped that far.
 
@JohnDuffield lol
@ACuriousMind Not true.
You have to compute the Riemann tensor, that's more than "one look"
 
You don't compute Riemann tensors by inspection?
How dare you call yourself a geometer
 
2:07 PM
;_; you're right
I wonder if people can do that
 
Yeah, probably.
I was very impressed with Don Zagier in terms of ability to quickly see crazy stuff
 
Is that a trait necessary for number theory?
 
He saw the first 3 terms of a series on a slide in a talk, then immediately recognized that it could be transformed into an Eisenstein series (he knew precisely which one).
And those series are not simple ones :p
 
Lol, there's a section on series guessing in "mathematics made difficult"
It was like 2, 4, 8, 16, ...
next one was 31
it had to do with elliptic curves or something
 
hahaha
 
2:13 PM
Here's another series 5,6,3 guess the next terms
 
lol
 
what
 
@ACuriousMind You know, it's interesting. Gravity does not work correctly in QFT, but at least QFT can predict it's attractive. It's extremely hard to prove that gravity is attractive within GR.
 
@0celo7 So how would one prove it there?
 
2:16 PM
OEIS has no entry for that series for some reason
 
@Danu It's the positive mass theorem. So I'm told. I've never seen anyone show that positive ADM mass implies "gravity is attractive," though.
 
@0celo7 Well, to be fair, the "attractiveness" is shown in a non-relativistic limit - it's the exact same computation that recovers the Coulomb law from QED
 
@0celo7 Ah, WITTEN :D
 
Nor have I seen anyone actually define "attractive" in the context of GR...it might be a meaningless question.
@Danu No, Schoen-Yau.
 
I'd like to understand his positive mass theorem proof
 
2:17 PM
Witten came later.
 
But he has the best proof :P
I know that he was later :)
 
Maybe. But it's a physicist proof.
He relies on the Witten equation having solutions.
It's a proof in the '"all PDE have solutions" sprit.
 
I wouldn't say so, seeing as how that proof actually was explicitly mentioned in his Fields medal award announcement
I'd say that it's quite probable that it can be made rigorous
 
@Danu Oh, it's a legitimate proof. But IIUC he didn't go through all of the functional analysis to prove his equation can actually be solved.
 
And if it can, I bet Witten knew how to do it
 
2:20 PM
But it certainly can. I'm not arguing that the proof is wrong.
 
@0celo7 Sure, because he was writing for an audience of physicists
@0celo7 Aight
Now to see how positive mass implies attractiveness...
 
@Danu First define attractiveness. (Btw, the proof is in Straumann, but I think I've told you that before.)
@ACuriousMind Are you in the mood for analysis now?
 
but not all PDEs have solutions
I have bought all the apples at the shop
probably making the cider tomorrow
 
@Danu To prove the Witten equation has a solution, one needs a theory of spinorial Sobolev spaces. Sounds like something for @ACuriousMind 's thesis.
 
sounds like something from theproofistrivial.com
 
2:28 PM
@Slereah It's always good fun making your own cider/beer/whatever but if your aim is to enjoy drinking cider/beer/whatever I still think you'd be better to just buy it.
 
@Danu Witten did not prove his equation has a solution. The proof is due to Reula, Parker, and Taubes.
 
@JohnRennie Psh who wants to enjoy alcohol
Instead of making it with ONE OWN'S TWO HANDS
 
In my youth, in Somerset, I drank lots and lots of home made scrumpy. The result is that I now can't even look at a glass of cider.
 
I can't look at it because it's awful
And alcohol is the devil
 
@JohnRennie Good thing you don't live in Britanny
 
2:30 PM
0celo7 is a conservative Christian mom
 
@0celo7 I'm inclined to agree, but I sometimes worship the devil.
 
yuck
 
A bit odd since there's nothing more conservative and european than making some cider
Who even gets drunk on cider
 
You
damn hooligan
 
I'm not a lightweight baby
 
2:31 PM
@Slereah Have you ever been to Somerset?
 
Do you mean the island where the elves live in the Elder Scrolls
If you'll tell me that Somerset has more cider than Britanny I will demand documentation
Britanny is basically known for two drinks
Cider and chouchen
 
Somerset is known only for cider. We don't even make brandy from it.
 
Oh well
I'll let you know how things turn out
Probably not great since I'm using pretty poor equipment
 
... and cows
Lots of cows in Somerset.
 
Cows are more the realm of Normandy here
 
2:36 PM
And the Glastonbury festival
 
I looked into french law on distillation
 
why would you do that?
 
It's pretty tough to distil something legally
Lots of paperwork
 
@Slereah yeh you're fat
 
Said the American
Apparently I have to kill the yeast at the end of fermentation
Sounds cruel
Not sure I have the guts
 
2:45 PM
How do you kill it?
 
A campden tablet, apparently
Campden tablets (potassium or sodium metabisulfite) are a sulfur-based product that is used primarily to sterilize wine, cider and in beer making to kill bacteria and to inhibit the growth of most wild yeast: this product is also used to eliminate both free chlorine and the more stable form, chloramine, from water solutions (e.g., drinking water from municipal sources). Campden tablets allow the amateur brewer to easily measure small quantities of sodium metabisulfite, so it can be used to protect against wild yeast and bacteria without affecting flavour. Typical use is one crushed Campden tablet...
 
> Without the addition of potassium sorbate the yeast population will only be stunned and eventually repopulate if provided with enough fermentable sugars.
Stunned yeast?
 
Yeah it's not a good idea to leave yeast in if you want your drink to be sweet
 
SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good God!
 
Is it against the british religion to have sweet cider
 
2:50 PM
> It is a common misconception that Campden tablets can be used to halt the ferment process in wine before all the available sugars are converted by the yeast, hence controlling the amount of residual sweetness in the final product.
 
Unfortunate
Well I'll buy all the required chemicals
Fermentation is a few weeks, should be enough time to get mail orders
 
You're basically a terrorist...
 
Ferment it until all the sugar is gone and the fermentation stops naturally. Then if you must have it sweet kill the residual yeast with bisulphite then add some apple syrup.
 
Bisulphite?
 
Or just add some anti-freeze.
 
2:53 PM
Sounds dangerous. Good. Do that @Slereah
 
That's what the frenchmen do in that Simpsons episode
It is not what French people actually do
 
@JohnRennie I have a topology exam in a few hours. Any tips?
 
Use the force
I have a job interview with a technical test next week
Part of it involves signal processing
What do signal processing people do
Outside of Fourier transforms
 
Wtf how are you so unprepared
 
@Slereah it was the Austrians putting antifreeze in wine wasn't it?
 
2:57 PM
Well @0celo7
 
@0celo7 Don't run holding scissors.
 
@JohnRennie yeah, until 1985
 
Let me tell you about the working world after graduation
You never find a job with your competences
You always have to pick one that seems to be mostly something you'd be able to do
Job offers always require you to know like 10 languages and frameworks
It's basically impossible to fit the profile
 
@JohnRennie I'm not stupid enough to do that.
 
Putting antifreeze in alcohol is a common trick used by unscrupulous people
Because it bumps up the apparent alcohol content and it's slightly sweet
It will make you blind, though
 
3:02 PM
Proof?
 
80 proof B)
 
[Topology musings]
->Venn diagrams are useful
 
Is that a flower
 
No it's a star.
Star shaped open set, clearly
 
@Slereah Does antifreeze blind you? I thought only methanol did that. Anti-frezee just destroys your liver, at which point you die an unusually protracted and unpleasant death.
 
3:06 PM
Isn't antifreeze methanol?
 
Methanol does blind, can confirm.
 
nope, antifreeze is ethylene glycol
 
nvm then
 
Methanol literally eat your optic nerve
 
Crazy.
 
3:07 PM
(or more accurately, its metabolite formic acid)
 
It gets metabolised to formaldehyde in the eyes, and formaldehyde is a very fowerful toxin.
 
I guess drink all the antifreeze you want then
 
nope, ethylene glycol will metabolise to oxalate which damage your liver liek crazy
 
Good thing alcohol won't damage your liver then
 
@JohnRennie lol.
 
3:12 PM
@Slereah no, you're safe to drink as much alcohol as you want :-)
 
I once drank 90% alcohol
 
Ethanol does not damage your liver directly. In fact, had our body never metabolise ethanol to acetaldehyde, it is pretty harmless. Acetaldehyde is responsible for the hangovers when you get drunk
 
Stung a bit
 
Wimp
 
@0celo7 I challenge you to a drinking contest
 
user218912
3:16 PM
@Slereah does icetea count as a drink?
 
What's the proof of icetea?
Get a long island ice tea, maybe
 
What's new
 
I disproved all of Einstein
But I lost the paper
I disproved everything.
Special relativity, general relativity, discrete energy levels for photons, the brownian movement, that fridge he designed
 
@Slereah Even this postulate?
 
especially that one
 
3:28 PM
@Slereah was ths before or after you drank the 90% ethanol?
 
That fridge was obviously wrong
It was philosophically impossible to sustain
Are we still doing AMAs btw
Haven't followed the site in a bit
 
@Secret that's a bit like saying jumping off the Empire State building is harmless.
 
Falling has never killed anyone
It's the landing
Wait
Free fall is equivalent to weightlessness
Which causes bone decalcification
How long would you have to fall to die from it
 
3:44 PM
@Slereah I don't think you'd ever die from bone decalcification. The only possible fatal consequence I could think of would be if your rib cage decalcified and you could no longer breath. But since you breath continuously it's likely that your rib cage would stay calcified.
 
@JohnRennie Well moderate ethanol is ok and good for some of your organs. also most of the bad effects of alcohol is mainly caused by the metabolites, thus it is not very far fetched claim(?)
(Having said that, I prsonally don't drink much alcohol because I cannot stand on that bitter taste)
 
Drink sweet alcohol
 
Drink anti-freeze!
 
Milk, sugar and mint all mask the taste of alcohol pretty well
Also onion
I've tasted onion alcohol
 
Onion? Onion vodka?
 
Jim
3:51 PM
also garlic
 
You won't notice the taste of alcohol
But it has other issues
Taste-wise
 
[Topology musings]
Line of 2 origins, line of too many origins and space of way too many lines
 
@JohnRennie my stomach hurts...
We use anti-freeze in our cryostat at work
I think this was a bad idea
 
Stop drinking it maybe
Or drink it in moderation
 
why would that be bad, unless you want your cryostat to freeze all over?
 
4:00 PM
The irony of it. You survived heating cerium to 1700C and the antifreeze got you.
 
@ACuriousMind : read the history on Wikipedia, which seems a fairly accurate precis. See this: "...with many of the major players in the field including Einstein believing that singularity at the Schwarzschild radius was physical".
 
1700 Coulombs?
Quite a lot of charge
 
JR: This illustrates the many facets of poison
 
@JohnRennie I didn't heat it to 1700. I stopped at 1000 because you told me to
 
I wonder if there is anyone who can live swallowing a piece of polonium...?
 
4:03 PM
Live for how long
 
Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom. On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome. Litvinenko's allegations about the misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Russian president Vladimir Putin was behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage. Subsequent investigations...
 
meh, he died
 
How big a piece of polonium
I could probably eat one atom
 
@Slereah you already did
 
Proof?
 
4:04 PM
Apparently 10 micrograms was enough to finish off Litvinenko.
 
polonium is not only radioactive, but also mind boggingly toxic
 
That's not a lot
 
::Is too lazy to dig the toxicology of polonium::
 
Feminists are probably more toxic
 
user218912
lol
 
@0celo7 polonium is a daughter of radon; it's everywhere in the environment
 
Plutonium is notoriously dangerous because inhaled particles lodge in the lungs and sit there irradiating the surrounding tissue. If not removed they may take several years to cause cancer, but cause cancer they eventually will.
 
user218912
@JohnRennie plutonium or polonium?
 
Plutonium
Polonium is acutely toxic.
 
How does it taste, though
 
4:13 PM
Is there a condition in which one hears words, but they're garbled?
Regular volume, but it sounds like gibberish?
 
Yes, it's called undergraduate tutorials
 
What does that mean?
 
Aphasia is an inability to comprehend and formulate language because of dysfunction in specific brain regions. Caused either by a cerebral vascular accident (CVA), which is also known as a stroke, or head trauma such as with a concussion, aphasia can cause impairments in speech and language modalities. To be diagnosed with aphasia, a person's speech or language must be significantly impaired in one (or several) of the four communication modalities following acquired brain injury or have significant decline over a short time period (progressive aphasia). The four communication modalities are auditory...
 
Hi everybody.
 
agrammatism (inability to speak in a grammatically correct fashion)
a common illness
 
4:18 PM
I think I have that
I had a stroke.
That explains everything
@IceLord that's why I changed
 
user218912
lol 0celo7 don't even kid around about that.
 
I don't know
I really can't understand things a lot
I hear what people say, but it just makes no sense
 
I noticed
 
user218912
@0celo7 because you're taking difficult courses.
 
@IceLord no, not then
like when I go to Chick-Fil-A and the person asks "what's your name" and I hear "asoidhasd"
 
user218912
4:23 PM
wat
 
@Danu Actually, no one knows if the positive mass theorem is true (Witten's version) when there are horizons.
Witten did not prove it for horizons, Hawking tried it for horizons but couldn't prove the Witten equation was solvable.
@Danu So Witten's proof is not as straightforward as the physicists would have you think...
 
Okay, fun to know :)
@DanielSank Hi!
 
@Danu Maybe after your Seiberg-Witten course you can read the proof and let me know what it's about
 
How'd that help?
Seiberg-Witten theory is about $\mathcal N=2$ supersymmetric gauge theories, in physics language
 
@Danu Do you know about spin bundles already?
 
4:33 PM
Nothing serious, no.
There's a chapter on it in the notes of a course I took
 
Ok, but you'll certainly learn about it in a SW course.
 
But it was a ton of results without proofs, hence impossible to retain anything serious
@0celo7 I hope so
 
@Danu Ok, so now you see why that would be helpful?
 
Not really--does one really need spin bundles much in that proof?
 
Yes, the proof is based on spin geometry.
The "gist" of the proof uses connection on spin bundles and spinor fields.
Nothing serious -- I imagine the FA proofs on spinorial Sobolev spaces are quite horrible though.
 
4:36 PM
Yeah, but does one really need any geometry stuff? I doubt it
 
Hmm, I don't think every Lorentzian manifold even has a spin structure.
I think the Witten proof only works on parallelizable manifolds.
 
Every physical one does though :P
 
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Q: Ban : Acuriousmind

user131510For some reasons I want to be anonymous. I want moderators to ban person "acuriousmind" . This person has been miss using his privileges in physics SE.

<3
 
@Danu You're a mathematician.
"physical" is not acceptable
@ACuriousMind Why does everyone hate you?
 
> TFW I don't care about the range of validity of the positive mass theorem
 
4:39 PM
@0celo7 I hope your comment wasn't serious, but please don't do stuff like that. It only feeds the trolls.
 
@Danu you said like 2 hours ago you did!
 
Sorry, let me correct that
Done
 
@Danu Just use the geometric analytic proof and you're good in all cases!
But it's around 200 pages long...
@HDE226868 Troll? That's not nice.
 
@ACuriousMind They ought to start a fanclub.
 
@0celo7 can you give me the link to your ideal gas law derivation again
 
4:44 PM
No.
I need to edit it.
 
I wonder if user131510 is a sock puppet. Since the account has contributed no answers or questions other than this one it's hard to see how ACM could have annoyed them.
 
^
My first thought too
 
@JohnRennie The "For some reasons I want to be anonymous" is a pretty strong hint it's a sock.
 
user218912
@JohnRennie isn't it obvious?
 
Did you provide any of the history of the derivation (who derived it, how, why, etc.)? @0celo7
The theory section of this lab report is literally centralized around boyle's law which is essentially pv=nrt with right side being a constant.
So I wanted to do a section about the ideal gas law and its derivation. I wanted to see if I could use that as a source and I'd cite it ;)
 
4:47 PM
@ACuriousMind Exactly.
 
Where's that third delete vote when you need it?
 
I still don't know why everyone hates ACM
 
Do we
 
Everyone hates orcs
 
@balarka orcs must die.
 
4:50 PM
@BalarkaSen I'm currently a pretty human, does that count for nothing? :P
 
I love orcs
My wife is an orc
 
@ACuriousMind You only did that to gain popularity at the election
 
We all know what is behind that mask
 
Can anyone answer this:
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Q: Twisting a string

ZachMcDarghI may have some confusion about the twist and torsion of an elastic filament. The issue centers around this set-up. I hold a cable in my hands, so that it forms a straight line. Keeping the endpoints clamped in my fingers, I move them closer together until they are right next to each other, so t...

I've been sitting here twisting a CAT5 cable and I can't see it.
 
4:53 PM
Is that string theory
 
CAT5 theory in my case. That's like string theory but with a higher bandwidth.
 
So it turns out all matter is made of CAT5 cables
 
Ah you've seen our server room then?
 
@0celo7 what would you say your method of derivation was in this dropbox.com/s/5sbodwmfeqa5o8j/ideal%20gas%20law.pdf?dl=0
Statistical mech.? But I see SR in it too..
 
Is superstring theory a version of string theory with strings Kryptonian capes are made out of?
 
4:56 PM
@BalarkaSen ::groan::
 
@Obliv I gave a few proofs
the SR proof was my own, I don't know if it's correct
 
>not using differential geometry to do thermodynamics
Bloody plebs
 
@Slereah I was naive back then
 
How would you derive an equation of state for an ideal gas using diff. geo?
 
carefully
 
4:58 PM
How does geometry even come into it?
 
phase space is a manifold
 
I can't imagine any other way than stat. mech
 
In physics, geometrothermodynamics (GTD) is a formalism developed recently by Hernando Quevedo to describe the properties of thermodynamic systems in terms of concepts of differential geometry. Consider a thermodynamic system in the framework of classical equilibrium thermodynamics. The states of thermodynamic equilibrium are considered as points of an abstract equilibrium space in which a Riemannian metric can be introduced in several ways. In particular, one can introduce Hessian metrics like the Fisher information metric, the Weinhold metric, the Ruppeiner metric and others, whose components...
 

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