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9:03 PM
@0celo7 I forgot my wallet at home. Lab in 1 hour and that'll take like 3 hours. Going to die.. help
 
@Obliv Why do you need your wallet?
 
I only ate two granola bars today (woke up at 12) @bernard
 
@Obliv I only had dinner today :p
You'll be fine
 
@bernard what did u have
 
@Obliv Before dinner? Dinner yesterday. For diinner? Rice
 
9:05 PM
mm I could go for some before dinner right now.
@bernard how's your chemistry class
 
@Obliv Still nuts
 
@Obliv wtf why are you 3 hours from home
 
@0celo7 the lab will take 3 hours. lern2reed
 
Ah
 
Any of you guys know python? (the coding language, I mean)
 
9:10 PM
@heather bernard is your guy.
 
@Obliv, thanks for the recommendation. =)
@BernardMeurer, would you mind helping me with a strange error?
 
@heather Which language, which OS?
 
@BernardMeurer, Python 2, online compiler called repl.it, on a chromebook.
 
I'm a Python 3 guy, but I should be able to help you :)
Can you share the code with me and explain your error?
 
@BernardMeurer, it seems to be just the single line of code dnyet = input("Done with your circuit? y or n")
 
9:13 PM
raw_input
input is py3 only I believe
 
@BernardMeurer, interestingly, that doesn't seem to be the problem. Mainly because 1. I had a previous line of code using input that worked normally, and 2. it gives me another error message when I run it using raw_input. I'll just double check it is that line and not something else real quick...
 
@heather So, first lesson on asking for help with code: The error message is crucial
What's the error?
 
@BernardMeurer, just double checked, and it worked, I just forgot to uncomment a different line of code, so a later line had an undefined variable - whoops. Thanks, though, can't believe I missed that.
 
@heather It's a stupid mistake 80% of the time, don't worry :)
 
@BernardMeurer, it's funny, I have this habit of crashing the compiler somehow =P
Like just now
 
9:18 PM
@heather If you're doing python it's an interpreter, not a compiler. Important distinction :)
@heather I have the habit of crashing the compiler AND the whole machine lol
 
@BernardMeurer, good to know =) I have a habit of crashing the interpreter
 
Good overall description of the distinctions
 
Howdy
 
@BernardMeurer, I skimmed it real quick, it makes sense - that's why it gives errors after, say, the raw_input, because it interprets it line by line.
@SirCumference, hello
 
@heather Yes, exactly
Give that a good read, and then read some more. A good programmer understands compilers and interpreters well :)
@SirCumference Sup
 
9:23 PM
@BernardMeurer Well this happened
Also still looking for someone who knows about degenerate gases
 
@SirCumference Who signed it?
 
@SirCumference, congrats on the signature
 
@SirCumference HOLY SHIT
 
@BernardMeurer Says right there
 
@SirCumference JUST SAW THAT
Awesome man! Sweet
 
9:25 PM
@BernardMeurer Yeah :D
No idea how someone can sign for two hours tho
 
@SirCumference It's called money
 
@BernardMeurer That's gotta be a lot of money
Also if you scroll down I asked him a GR question
 
@sirC there is no way that spells Neil D. Tyson
 
@Obliv I think there's a D in the middle
Either that or an O with a dot in it
 
what did he say?
 
9:26 PM
I don't think anyone will buy it because its illegible. For all we know you signed it yourself. nice try
 
You should have asked him about logarithmic sobolev inequalities on spinorial function spaces
 
@Obliv, hey, the poor guy's hand was tired. =P
 
19 hours ago, by Sir Cumference
Asked him and two other astrophysics professors with him if an event horizon could ever exist, since the apparent horizon would take an infinite amount of time to reach that point
Read from there and below
 
@SirCumference Lol!
 
It'll explain the whole embarassment on my part...
 
9:27 PM
He only knows popscience
 
@0celo7, wha...?
 
I was speaking into a microphone and there were hundreds of people
@0celo7 There were two general relativists next to him
 
@heather NDT is a pop science person
 
I said below that the books Neil and them had written included some pretty deep stuff, like calc, explanations on tensors and worldlines, etc.
 
He doesn't know anything advanced about his field...that's not what he's famous for
e.g. Hawking is truly a master of mathematical famous and became famous for his disease
 
9:29 PM
@heather don't listen to them.
 
@0celo7, no I meant your sentence on logarithmic sobolev inequalities on spinorial space functions
 
@0celo7 But dude, the book they wrote
 
NDT is a people person, he's not a real scientist
 
Or specifically @obe and @0celo7
 
It had stuff like explanations on tensors and worldlines, formulae and differential equations, etc.
That's what they were selling and talking about
 
9:29 PM
@Obliv I'm being 100% serious. Find me a textbook that cites Tyson.
 
@0celo7, he said pluto wasn't a planet :'(
 
@heather Mike Brown did it first
 
@SirCumference Baby undergraduate physics.
 
And Pluto isn't a planet
 
Who gives a shit what the planets are?
 
9:30 PM
@0celo7 Prestigous much...
 
@SirCumference (::shock::) but Pluto!
 
@0celo7 Hundreds of thousands/millions of people in a field you have no interest in
 
"planet" is a very arbitrary definition.
 
@0celo7 Not really
 
proof?
 
9:31 PM
The definition limits it to a few objects in the solar system with particularly high mass
Those are interesting
 
@sirC I don't know why you expect someone who deals with questions like "does a black hole exist bcuz we cnt see it cuz lite cant ecscape from it?"to answer your question lol. Was he on a time constraint?
 
Like your mother, sure.
 
@0celo7 OH! SICK BURN!
GET SHREKED
 
In any case, there are "science people" famous for being good at science, and people who are just "science people."
 
180 NO SCOPE
 
9:32 PM
NDT is in the second category.
Along with Bill Nye.
 
@0celo7 It's a shame that people like Hubble, who revolutionized the entire field of astronomy, only get recognition in the field
 
@BernardMeurer, well, the interpreter is no longer crashing
 
Yet people who haven't discovered anything like NDT get so famous
 
but there's an error in my logic somewhere
 
@SirCumference Pretty sure Hubble was a quack and stole someone's ideas. I'll have to check up on that.
 
9:34 PM
@0celo7, NDT?
 
@heather This would be easier if I could see your code ;)
@heather Neil DeGrasse Tyson
 
@heather Neil deGrasse Tyson
what's wrong with me
 
@SirCumference Nike Myson
 
Mike would destroy him.
 
@0celo7 Uh, what?
Did he not observe redshifting and receding galaxies?
 
9:35 PM
@heather Not here, delete that. Let me show you how :)
 
Ha!
 
@heather Use this gist.github.com
 
@BernardMeurer, create an account?
 
@SirCumference He did, but there's some history there (looking it up)
 
You shouldn't need to, but GitHub is very useful so you might as well
 
9:36 PM
> It is worth quoting from a letter from M. Way and H. N ̈ussbaumer to Physics Today, August 2011, p. 8. “It is widely held that in 1929 Edwin Hubble discovered the expanding universe and that his discovery was based on his extended observations of redshifts in spiral nebulae. Both statements are incorrect. . . . There is a great irony in these falsehoods still being promoted today.
> Hubble himself never came out in favor of an expanding universe; on the contrary, he doubted it to the end of his days.” I am among those who oppose the continual promotion of falsehoods in physics.
 
@0celo7 NDT only has 1 publication afaik actually.. That's troubling
 
@Obliv I'd like an apology from you.
> ndeed, there is some shady business for a budding historian of physics to look into and clarify. Since
Lemaˆıtre’s seminal 1927 paper was published in French in an obscure Belgian journal, Eddington arranged for it to be republished in English in 1931. But the two crucial pages containing Lemaˆıtre’s estimate of the so-called Hubble constant were omitted in the English translation. Smells rather fishy to say the least. Some reader should track down the person responsible for this omission.
> By the time I was finishing this book, a couple of years after I wrote the words above, I learned that M. Livio (Nature 479 (2011), p. 171, nature.com/nature/journal/v479/n7372/full/479171a.html) had indeed tracked down the relevant documents and concluded that it was Lemaˆıtre himself who deleted the crucial pages. One of Livio’s conclusions was disputed by S. van der Bergh in a letter to the editor (Nature 480 (2011), p. 321).
> Based on what I read while writing this book and also my earlier popular book (An Old Man’s Toy), I feel that the kindest thing I can say about Hubble is that he went out of his way not to acknowledge the contributions of his contemporaries. I hope that Hubble’s status in cosmology will be reevaluated in the future.
@SirCumference Get fukt.
 
@0celo7 Who cares what Hubble thought?
 
@BernardMeurer, here is the code
 
His discoveries led people like Lemaître to figure out that the Universe was indeed expanding
He set way for a huge field, whether he intended to or not
That's historical
 
9:38 PM
Did you not read the second part
 
@sirC technically, you can't prove that the universe is actually 'expanding' it's just there are a lot of things that point towards that explanation
 
@heather Very good :)
 
@Obliv No theory can be proven. Only disproven.
 
He "went out of his way not to acknowledge the contributions of his contemporaries"
Scumbag
 
@BernardMeurer, what is good? The creation of the github account or the code?
I sincerely doubt the latter
 
9:39 PM
@0celo7 All right, you'll play that game. How about others like Jan Oort?
 
You mean the cloud?
 
Oort cloud, right?
@0celo7, beat me to the question
 
@sirC you could prove that the universe is expanding. You just need sufficient evidence and a precise definition of expanding
 
@0celo7 Came up with dark matter and (well, independently) the Oort cloud, and figured out where we are in the galaxy
 
@heather Okay, do you want to learn some Python?
@heather That you're learning standard methods, that's what's good :)
 
9:40 PM
@BernardMeurer, sure!
 
@Obliv It's a basic principle that theories cannot be proven.
Only disproven.
 
@ManishEarth You around?
 
Evidence may suggest expansion, but any underlining reason that we aren't aware of could the culprit
 
Well what about him? I've never heard of him beyond his gas cloud.
 
@0celo7 I feel very bad for Jan Oort right now. =)
 
9:42 PM
@0celo7 He came up with dark matter, which is hugely influential in galaxy formation and is currently being vigorously researched?
> I've never heard of him beyond his gas cloud
That's exactly the point I was making
 
@heather One second
 
10 mins ago, by Sir Cumference
@0celo7 It's a shame that people like Hubble, who revolutionized the entire field of astronomy, only get recognition in the field
I'll use Oort as an example now
 
@heather Your code woks here
@0celo7 Check iMessage
 
@BernardMeurer, it doesn't give syntax errors, but it should ask "what would you like your first gate to be" instead of going straight to "functionality not included"
 
This is one of the cringiest things I've read
 
9:47 PM
@heather Okay, first thing, variable naming
also, text editors
Is Chrome book linux?
 
@BernardMeurer, okay...were they too undescriptive? The variable namse, I mean.
 
@sirC You do not read cringy things then.
 
Chromebook...um, I think they just run chrome, basically. There's no desktop or anything like that, just access to the internet.
 
Oh boy if you've seen the things that I've seen..
 
@Obliv That's just so wrong...
And people think it's right
 
9:48 PM
@SirCumference maybe not a shame, just the way things are.
 
@heather Not exaclty, but they had another problem: unreadable. Eg: qubits is a good name, dnyet could just be done
 
@0celo7 Quite true... :(
 
@BernardMeurer, okay, updated that, I'll change the github code
 
@sirC uhh what's wrong with it? I'm pretty sure it hasn't been disproved that energy/matter is a fixed quantity throughout the universe.
 
What's this about python code?
I'm the python master.
 
9:49 PM
@SirCumference I wasn't arguing against that though
 
@Obliv Conservation of energy doesn't hold up in relativistic scales
 
I was just saying NDT very likely does not know any GR
 
Not to mention "matter" is a very poorly defined term
 
@DanielSank Shut up dawg
 
Nonsense
 
9:50 PM
@DanielSank, I am trying to create a simple simulator of quantum circuits, and I am writing the basic code that takes in the necessary inputs, and there is a logic error.
 
matter = fermions
 
@SirCumference [citation needed]
 
@BernardMeurer You know it's true.
 
@0celo7 That's the definition I go by, but a lot of people don't
 
@heather Ah.
 
9:50 PM
- neutrinos perhaps
not sure if neutrinos are matter
 
Heather, can you perhaps post your code somewhere?
 
@Obliv We got something nice here
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Q: Is the law of conservation of energy still valid?

user11151Is the law of conservation of energy still valid or have there been experiments showing that energy could be created or lost?

 
@DanielSank Yeah right, like that time you broke python for using if __name__ == '__main__' ?
 
@0celo7 Depends how you define matter
 
@DanielSank, indeed. I thought it would help me understand how quantum gates work and such by "explaining" it to the computer. The code can be seen here. It's pretty bad so far, I know.
 
9:52 PM
@0celo7 Regardless, "fermions can neither be created nor destroyed" doesn't make much sense, especially when you consider annihilation
 
Hey @heather, let's use this shiny new room dedicated to your python quest: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/47539/python-with-heather
 
@heather wtf you're a programmer too o.o
 
(Bernardo can come too)
 
@DanielSank It was my idea you plankton
 
@0celo7 Jesus... o_o
 
9:52 PM
@0celo7, well, learning to be a programmer. why the bug eyes?
 
@heather B-because, in middle school, we differentiated between opinions and facts...
 
@BernardMeurer yes
 
@ManishEarth Now it's too late, but thank you :)
 
in middle school, I picked my nose
3
 
@0celo7 And here someone is programming and going to learn calc
What on Earth is even going on
In middle school I was like 11
Never have I met an 11 year old learning calc
 
9:54 PM
Well, um, I'm rather nerdy, I know. And think a little older than 11, more like the realm of early teenager-dom.
=P late middle school, next year highschool (!)
 
Like calculus, I have no idea what middle school even is :)
2
 
You're not nerdy
 
Well still, 14 or so is pretty impressive to be finishing trig.
 
@ACuriousMind grades 5-8
 
I finished it at 15
 
9:55 PM
@sirC literally the post under lubos argues his post. I don't know GR yet to blindly believe lubos.
@SirCumference I'm pretty sure it's meant to be defined as anything with 'mass' i.e interacts with the gravitational field.
 
@Obliv Here you go
That's a pretty good source
Tons of citations too
Crap, screwed up
 
wow thanks dude.
 
@Obliv Not to mention, laws aren't even absolute in physics
 
@0celo7 Don't worry, in middle school I wasn't competent enough to be able to get my finger inside my nostril
 
As The Realm of the Nebulæ (Edwin Hubble) put it
> Beyond the limit of the observations, the form of [a] function, or relation, is speculative. For this reason, [a] law is empirical and it must remain empirical until it is explained by an accepted theory.
They're merely observations that seem to hold given the sample we have
 
10:07 PM
@BernardMeurer yo I have something for you to prove.
 
@0celo7 No. Last time it was horrible
I failed badly
 
10:37 PM
But you've done more math since the
 
10:57 PM
@0celo7 No, I haven't
 
11:11 PM
@BernardMeurer you're taking a PhD level analysis class
 
@0celo7 Taking $\neq$ Comprehending
 
user218912
hey
 

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