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10:01 PM
@ACuriousMind I thought it was supposed to do that. Lolol
Yeah, it seems to change every few days or so
I kind of like it. Its less boring.
It was grey, then yellow, now pink, its been green
Its weird cuz @bolbteppa seems to have the same color every time so I dunno why mine mutates
Is it a glitch?
 
I don't think it is supposed to change without you doing anything
At least, you're the only one whose gravatar is going that
 
Weird. I like it though.
 
Not shouting 'No, your "thought experiment" is no different from all the other I figured out how to go faster than light "thought experiments" on the site, dmanit!'.
Nor 'You have to understand the theory before there is any value to trying to do a thought experiment!'.
 
@dmckee what is this? Quotes of the day?
 
And especially not 'Having seen a documentary is not the same as understanding the theory!'.
@StanShunpike It's venting.
Nothing really important
 
10:12 PM
It sounds like the kind of argument one would have with someone on vixra
 
@dmckee My post's locked back at meta, so I found here to talk:
I'm baffled!
The Q first got migrated, then marked as duplicate, then not migrated, then another comment on a locked post... I give up!
Though I admit that when I saw the question was a dup, I deleted it. I thought it was something I idioticly asked that everyone knew the answer for. Then it got migrated again....
 
By deleting the version on meta.physics.se you rejected the migration. It was fine existing as a duplicate.
 
@ACuriousMind I just read John Baez page on Noether's theorem. He has very poor notation despite simplicity of his explanations. As you know, for typical Lagrangians, the input is $q(t)$ and $\dot{q}(t)$ but Baez then discusses sending q to q(s) to discuss how things don't change when you apply a one parameter family of transformations or something like that. What does the q(s) stand for? Is he manipulating the t or introducing some new variable s?
 
@dmckee So how do you suggest we clean this mess?
 
@MARamezani Just leave it as is.
 
10:18 PM
Alright thanks mod. I'm off to sleep.
 
@dmckee So what do you think of my constantly changing gravatar. Is that supposed to happen or is it a glitch? I like it, just curious.
@ACuriousMind was the first to notice besides me seemingly
 
@StanShunpike Not a clue. I thought that a gravitar was linked to the has of the OpenID you used to log in or something. DO you have more than one connected to the account?
 
Nope. I just use one account and its not connected to anything.
It doesn't really matter, I am just surprised. I thought everyone's did that.
 
@StanShunpike $s$ is a real number parametrizing the transformation of $q(t)$ into some other $q_s(t)$ such that $q_0(t) = q(t)$.
(And, smoothly, $\lim_{s\to 0}q_s(t) = q_0(t) = q(t)$)
 
Ah, there ya go! So I worked out the proof for myself. What would be a good classical field od QFT case to look at to see how Noether's theorem is useful. I still don't really see what's significant about it even though I know it must be important.
Or*
 
10:31 PM
@StanShunpike Well, write down the Lagrangian for a free particle and derive conservation of momentum from invariance under spatial translation $q_s(t) = q(t) + s$!
 
Hi
Is there anybody out there?
I wish somebody could introduce me to a straight to the point mechanics book, I want a sort of book which introduces the concept then solves some problems + answers to them so the reader can fully grasp the concepts.
 
David Tong?
@FreeMind ^
 
The Goldestein Book is good but it has lots of lacks
@StanShunpike David Tong?
 
Yeah, his lecture notes.
 
@StanShunpike I found his page where are the lecture notes?
@StanShunpike I got it
@StanShunpike Really good stuff ! WoW !
Thanks
 
10:38 PM
Yay. No problem
 
@StanShunpike Do you have any resource for differential equations?
 
What are you looking for exactly?
 
I don't want a pure mathematical perspective.
I want to be able to do differential equations which arise in QM and CM
 
Have you read Tom Apostol's book Calculus?
 
I am sort of to the point guy, I want to be introduced to a concept then solve some problems to feel it, I don't like to read bunch of introduction.
@StanShunpike Yeah, not completely but he is a mathematician.
One of those purists :D
 
10:42 PM
How strong is your QM?
 
Very weak !
@StanShunpike It is mainly due to probability stuff risen up over there.
Even though simple concepts from probability are used.
 
Why do you think you need a book on differential equations? If you understand Apostol, I would think that would be sufficient for understanding at least rudimentary QM and CM. are you working with manifolds yet? Or have u primarily worked with R^3 and R^4?
 
For what it's worth, @FreeMind, if you have questions on the building blocks and if you're good at formulating your own questions, I really like Susskind's book "The Theoretical Minimum: Everything You Need To Know ..."
 
Is it good? What does it cover?
 
it sounds silly, but the second half actually covers all the building blocks of lagrangian/hamiltonian/poisson brackets
it has no problems, but what I did was write down the important bits and then go back and prove them on my own.
 
10:47 PM
I noticed your profile colour kept changing too lol
 
@StanShunpike I myself am overwhelmingly confused. It seems I am not skilled in classical mechanics and I have an idea which blocks me to go further, I think I have to master Classical Mechanics to be able to study advanced subjects which I think is true, what's your opinion?
 
@FreeMind Landau's Mechanics is the best book on mechanics there is, it's more to the point than you can imagine, there is no book that compares to it tbh
 
Lifchitz?
 
Is that the Landau from Landau poles?
 
You can use Calkin's book to find solved problems
Yeah (to both of you)
 
10:49 PM
I think so @StanShunpike
He died due to an accident
:)
 
You might need to learn some calculus of variations (Gel'fand and NPTEL video lectures) but it's so worth the struggle
 
@bolbteppa I don't like when I'm trying to not get my partial derivatives mixed up and he starts saying "$\partial/\partial(x^2)$" and things like that... I also don't like his section on scattering or his problems where he says "solve for ___" but I can't figure out what I can solve it in terms of...
I think there's something lost in translation in some of the practice problems :p
 
He was in a car crash in 1962, had his memory but lost all his ability to do research, then he got the nobel prize and was unable to attend the ceremony, and died in 1968
Yeah his books are hard but once you raise to the challenge (Which can take more than a year sometimes) you will see that was the best way to think all along lol
They are literally the best books that exist tbh
 
@bolbteppa I am obsessed with solving differential equations, it seems boredom is dominating in this topic :|
 
10:53 PM
I can not explain how amazing they are, how wise it was to put elasticity in book 7 after all the other stuff, the way he unifies special relativity, electromagnetism, general relativity (and classical particle mechanics as a low velocity issue)
 
Oh??
 
@FreeMind I feel your pain that urge completely ruined my learning of Newtonian mechanics because I was always worrying about the weird cases
 
@bolbteppa Yeah, I have a feel of urge and pain. I can't stop it ! :|
 
Ah I remember one problem on orbital mechanics in a rotating frame with a coriolis force
 
@bolbteppa Could you please tell me what this Calkin's book is? what is the authors first name and the name of the book?
 
10:56 PM
@FreeMind @StanShunpike probably the best quick book full of useful *methods* is this weird book
http://books.google.ie/books?id=jUsv4aGmIUsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
There is literally no other book as good as this for quick and dirty methods, if you read that you'll just about have no problems tbh if you want to go deeper there is an old book by Ince called Ordinary Differential Equations which explains things properly but is a bit crazy. If you don't believe me, there is a book by Murphy called 'Ordinary Differential Equations and Their Solutions' which lists just about ev
 
I wasted a LOT of time trying to show that a satelite orbit would be stable (i forget the specifics) in the rotating frame w/o switching to the non-rotating frame... even though that would be the easiest way to do it.
Wait @bolbteppa that's all online for free?
 
@bolbteppa What about the Calkin's Book?
 
You'd have to buy Bhamra and have it shipped from India but it's worth it tbh
(I edited my last post and included more info)
Just google Calkin mechanics and you'll find a theory book and a problem book with solutions
 
also @bolbteppa you really recommend L&L THAT much??
 
To quote G.K. Ustinova:
"If you intend to become a good physicist, don’t waste your time. Study the complete Course of Theoretical Physics by Landau and Lifshits"
http://www.researchgate.net/post/Any_recommended_reading_for_physics_undergraduate_student
Read the amazon reviews for Landau's books
 
11:01 PM
Do you guys have special interests? I am wondering how I should give a direction to my studies, I am just lost in the play ground :O
 
The only word I remember is "poetry"
@FreeMind I think you should read Landau, I am 100% sure you think about electromagnetism the wrong way based on books like Griffiths etc... you are not in a position to decide :D
 
@bolbteppa Yeah, haha, I am reading griffiths at the moment :)
 
@bolbteppa Haha I wish I could follow the "don't waste your time" advice!!!
 
What a cool statement, "I am 100% sure", indeed, I am reading it :)
 
It's good in a vague sense so keep reading it and do the problems but find out what's in Landau volume 2, then slowly what's in volume 8, and ask yourself why Griffiths so casually just mixed between book 2 & book 8, let alone the way Maxwell's equations are introduced, from a logical standpoint the book is pretty much backwards and then jumps all over the place as you go through it, but it takes multivariable calculus of variations (Gelfand) to see this lol
 
11:06 PM
Wow well thanks. what great timing for that advice too. I was just sitting down to think about what my plans for the rest of the school year and summer should focus on ;)
 
Purcell is also really good if you're taking the backwards view, for example those proofs of Stokes and the Divergence theorem are phenomenal
 
Yes!! But aren't those in a whole different class than L&L book 2? Hah
 
I didn't know Purcell won the Nobel
 
These days everybody wins the Nobel :)
 
False. People win it for doing good work. It may be political, but not everyone can do what these people do.
 
11:11 PM
@StanShunpike Of course. I was making pun. Anyway, I have to point that it is REALLY political.
 
That Straumann book is so good, the Reisnner-Nordstrom Schwarzschild solution just falls out of it so easily too!
 
Yeah, I've noticed that. Its not cool they limit it to three people.
Like, I gather higgs published his paper a month before some others.
And because of that he got it
 
You mean this guy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stueckelberg the same guy who invented covariant perturbation theory before Feynman, the Yukawa stuff before Yukawa, Renormalization before Gellmann, Low, Wilson, and the Higgs before Higgs?
 
@bolbteppa Seriously? He invented higgs before higgs?
What weird people !
 
Well, sort of - the Stueckelberg mechanism is only for U(1) massive bosons, but it's the same idea as Higgs.
 
11:22 PM
Calkin's Book is really good.
 
It's the only book I've found that asks you to solve problems in Newtonian mechanics and compare to Lagrangian mechanics, I really need practice in that stuff :(
 
@bolbteppa Did you read it completely in the past?
 
No but I think I will have to do all the problems in it over the next year
 
@bolbteppa Yeah, perseverance is the key.
Thank you all guys, See you all later.
 

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