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6:34 PM
@Simha but how does that relate to time travel?
but I still think time travel can't be possible, or we would know by now...
 
Jim
why would we know?
 
because time travellers would tell us...
 
Jim
what if time travel is only possible via closed time-like curves that can only let you travel as far back as the creation of the time machine?
 
I guess...
but I feel that the use of that is limited to only see the future, not really the past...
 
Jim
If I made a time machine that operated that way now, people from centuries in the future could come back to observe now
 
6:41 PM
ok...
in that way you are right.. but what about the scientist who actually created the time machine? He can't go into the past... It won't be helpful for a few decades to see the past..
 
Suppose it's not someone from earth who creates it ;)
You then have the basis for an American TV show from before the Turn of the Century:
Seven Days (also written as 7 Days) is a science fiction television series based on the premise of time travel. It was produced by UPN from 1998 to 2001. The television channel Spike syndicated all of the episodes from 2003 to 2005. == Production == Three seasons of Seven Days were produced. All three seasons have been shown in North America, while the BBC broadcast the first season in the United Kingdom. There are currently no plans to release the entire series on DVD and/or Blu-ray from Paramount Home Entertainment and CBS Home Entertainment. == Synopsis == The plot follows a secret branch of...
 
Jim
sure the guy who made it can't go to the past with it, but he can't do that now anyway. At least he could go to the future and come back
so somebody should get started building a time machine. We'll know if they succeeded when a stream of time travelers from the future show up to witness the event
 
of course the question is how?
To make a time machine, you also probably need to make a wormhole..don't you thnik?
and anybody know how to to make a wormhole?
I think you need negative mass... etc.
which is curently impossible...
 
Jim
The other important question is still whether it is possible to travel backward in time. I only know how to show that the absence of travellers from the future doesn't mean time travel is impossible.
 
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Q: Is time travel possible? Is it possible to go back in time?

LifeH2OI read somewhere that according to relativity, black holes and other space related stuff it is possible to jump into past. Is it possible for anything to go back in time either continuously or by jumping? I doesn't fit my mind and seems totally illogical, unreasonable and even stupid thought bec...

 
6:58 PM
@KyleKanos there is a link to an article saying time travel isn't possible in tha question FYI
 
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Thought you were asking if there was
 
Jim
@KyleKanos like to point out that time travel is a mathematically possibility in general relativity, but a) it usually requires things like exotic matter or perpetually existing CTCs, etc; things which may not themselves be possible and b) it doesn't take into consideration quantum effects or thermodynamics/other theories. So saying it's mathematically possible under GR doesn't mean it's possible
 
To be fair: I never advocated the position that it was possible
 
BTW, I read an article saying that wormholes can be created by entangling two black holes...
then the question is, how do we create black hole...
of course, that wouldn't be possible in our own solar system...
plus, you need to make sure that they are safe for humans to travel into...
@KyleKanos oh.. I already read that article..
 
@TAbraham Why not?
 
7:03 PM
@KyleKanos it would be, if you want the planets of the solar system destroyed...
 
Jim
@TAbraham mini black hole?
 
Black holes can be any mass
 
yeah.. but then ethical problems..
@KyleKanos what do you mean?
 
The whole hoopla about LHC destroying the world was due to the possibility of making black holes out of colliding protons
 
Jim
make a black hole that's the mass of an asteroid, for instance
 
7:04 PM
(well, due to the misunderstanding involved in such an event)
 
Jim
and don't let your mini black hole touch anything
 
ok.. I probably don't understand much about the creation of black hole but don't black holes need extremely large mass collapsing and creatng a rip in spacetime?
 
The Schwarzschild radius (sometimes historically referred to as the gravitational radius) is the radius of a sphere such that, if all the mass of an object were to be compressed within that sphere, the escape speed from the surface of the sphere would equal the speed of light. An example of an object smaller than its Schwarzschild radius is a black hole. Once a stellar remnant collapses below this radius, light cannot escape and the object is no longer directly visible. It is a characteristic radius associated with every quantity of mass. The Schwarzschild radius was named after the German astronomer...
 
Jim
wouldn't call it a rip, but naturally occurring ones generally need that. But if we can make one artificially, then I'm sure we can figure out a way to make it with low enough mass
 
@KyleKanos I still didn't get it...
 
7:10 PM
All you need is a mass contained within a small enough radius
If the escape velocity at the surface of the mass is equal to or greater than the speed of light, then it's, by definition, a black hole
There's no restriction on the mass
 
oh.. now I get it..
but would it be feasible?
 
Feasible for what?
 
feasible to make it...
 
My guess is probably not currently
 
Jim
things can only be feasible if they are possible. Currently, it's not possible for us to make one
 
7:14 PM
BTW, @KyleKanos .. finally got the chameleon hat by changing my picture!!
 
Jim
I got a secret hat and I want to know what I got it for
but they don't say
 
@Jim which one?
 
Jim
warm welcome
 
What's the least amount of matter you'd need to make a black hole?
 
@Jim you got that one for upvoting a new user's first post...
 
Jim
7:16 PM
why is it a communist hat then?
 
all the info is here:
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Q: Winter Bash 2014 Secret Hats

KevinSo far, I've unlocked one of the secret hats. I'm wondering what other secret hats are out there and how to earn them?

@Jim idk...
 
@Jim Irony?
 
yeah.. probably so..
some of the hats just have weird names and pictures..
the only secret ones I understood was the hairboat one as well...
 
Jim
and the two fascinating hats
 
which ones are those?
 
Jim
7:20 PM
right above hairboat, they're star trek references
and time lord makes sense
 
@Jim I really didn't get that one either...
 
Spock said Fascinating a lot
 
Jim
time lord is a tardis
 
The "Fascinating Ma'am" is a reference to Tuvok from Star Trek: Voyager
Tuvok /ˈtuːvɒk/ is one of the main characters on the television series Star Trek: Voyager. Tuvok is one of the fictional Vulcan species who serves as the ship's Chief of Security and Chief Tactical Officer. Tim Russ portrayed Tuvok throughout the show's run, from 1995 to 2001. == Overview == In the episode "Unimatrix Zero", the Tuvok character states that he was born on stardate 38774 (equivalent to the year 2264) on Vulcanis, a lunar colony belonging to the Vulcan people. As a teenager, portrayed in flashback sequences during "Gravity" by LeRoy D. Brazile, Tuvok is revealed to have fallen in love...
 
@Jim I got that one...
@KyleKanos ok...
it's interesting how each hat has it's own meaning...
BTW, you got what the chameleon hat means?
I don't know how changing your profile makes you like a chameleon...
@Jim now, the last challenge is how do we entangle the two black holes..
 
now for the the eureka hat, what do you do to get it?
 
You can't anymore
You have to be the first one to discover the way to get a secret hat
Once that thread was made, the 8 people got it (actually a few more than 8 because some people privately got it in chat)
 
oh...
reading about quantum mechanics and posting programming questions.. gota go, bye!
 
 
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11:36 PM
anybody available?
 
11:46 PM
@TAbraham Yeah, for what, though?
 
do you know about quantum mechanics?
 
Some. Haven't personally used it for anything half-serious for years. I still have my bookshelf littered with related material, though
 
I wanted to ask about a topic I read...
 
Well you can ask, if I can't help you, I'm sure someone who can will come online eventually
 
basically, it is about energy transfer in plants using quantum coherence and when the fastest path is found, i understand that the wavefunction collapses into that path...
for mor info on it.. search up "quantum mechanics photosynthesis"
but according to @Danu , this is not the case...
So I am wondering, what is actually happening?
are you there?
 
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