Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

you could just sit there out of the blades' reach and wait for somebody to turn the thing off, notice you and freak out because mini-people are not a usual sight

Prix

well the point was to see what kind of idea you would come up with on a desperate situation.

user1306322

or you could just jump onto the blades if you know there's nobody coming to turn the blender off and save you

Prix

as in a Key to nail interviews

user1306322

12:21 AM

if you're a "fight to the end" kind of person, maybe try to climb out of the blender cup

but the walls are slippery and you can't do it because it's designed to be unclimboutable

Prix

you wouldn't pass the centrifugal thing

user1306322

then you could try to jam the blade and maybe cause a fire or something

Taisho

user1306322

@Taisho yes, very positive, thanks

Prix

which would most likely get you killed

user1306322

12:22 AM

@Prix yes, very negative, thanks

Prix

lol you're the one jamming the blades here

@user1306322 still waiting for this

user1306322

you could try to tie your clothes into a rope, lasso over a blade's bending and risk crushing all your bones by dragging yourself around the blender cup hoping that the centrifugal force will push you out of the blender

Prix

brb have to go down sign some stuff

user1306322

probably will tear your hand off rather than drag you out though

you could also try running around the edges trying to knock over the blender, but it's also hopeless because it was designed that way

in short, it's a stupid test coz you'd probably have your iPhone on you, which you'd use to call someone for help and then try to explain how the hell you got miniaturized and put into a blender

I suppose this question was designed in the 80's or something when only car phones were the most mobile type of phone

let's move on to a more popular analogy

let's take a really good game as the top marker

let it be Portal 2

it's got good story, interesting puzzles, great atmosphere and nice visuals

most games don't have all that

then

Borderlands 2

it's kinda like Borderlands 1 but… not as fun the second time around

overused key aspects don't make it look good

it's a triple-a game and cost around $60 on release

EA games…

all triple-a, all okay, none really very good

cost more than any other games

coz EA does whatever they want

indie games

Logan M

I don't know any of these games you're talking about

do they have cute girls?

user1306322

12:32 AM

Don't Starve

Prix

I was not putting that as an analogy for you to digest I was putting that as a joke to break the thinking

user1306322

@LoganM no, they don't

Prix

and of course it was not supposed to be a real thing, it was a comedy movie

Logan M

Then I don't really care either

Prix

lol

user1306322

12:33 AM

@Prix yes, i know, but I decided to break the hell out of the thinking in response

ahem

Don't Starve is a fine game by an indie studio

it doesn't take you any set amount of time to "win", it can be played forever of you wish

most AAA games have a Story mode

the classic single-player experience of video games

most games like that cost around $50 on PC and $60 on consoles

but Don't Starve and games like it cost around $25

and they are often on sale

but Don't Starve is a high quality indie game

there are many more independent studios that release games of much poorer quality and charge less, accordingly

Logan M

lol "high quality" but it doesn't even have cute girls

user1306322

most games that pass the Steam's popularity threshold cost at least $10

Logan M

hard to believe anyone will buy it

user1306322

Current Players Peak Today Game

285,458 735,438 Dota 2
101,129 167,265 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
46,991 75,899 Team Fortress 2
40,319 51,216 Garry's Mod
37,817 61,426 Unturned
37,312 46,928 Sid Meier's Civilization V
32,150 44,915 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
28,575 58,366 Football Manager 2014
17,322 29,273 DayZ
17,063 22,447 Warframe
13,731 21,880 PAYDAY 2
13,358 27,648 Counter-Strike
13,121 19,217 Robocraft
13,067 23,554 Arma 3
11,256 15,217 Borderlands 2

no cute girls in sight, millions of players

Taisho

user1306322

12:38 AM

(also I know you're joking, I am too)

Prix

:( Amazon is so evil to me they don't give me free shipping

Logan M

@user1306322 As I've said before, just proves gamers have terrible taste

user1306322

most games from that list are pretty meh

Logan M

Obviously if they don't have cute girls

Prix

Dota 2 have a item stores that produce millions of dollars

how can you say it s a 10 bucks game based on that

user1306322

12:39 AM

TF2 did it first

Prix

lmao

user1306322

dota 2 is free to play

Prix

yes it so what?

user1306322

also TF2 was $10 in the end

Prix

still makes million bucks

user1306322

12:39 AM

this is another selling model

we're talking about "pay once" model

coz we wanna make an analogy with anime

Prix

then why you listed f2p

user1306322

can't exactly buy hats for the characters in the series

did I?

you said Dota 2 first

Prix

because you listed it

user1306322

and it's an irrelevant example

Prix

@user1306322 there

user1306322

12:40 AM

and that list was directed at Logan

don't mind that

Prix

oh

user1306322

ok so the cheapest games usually go for $10 and they know they're not anywhere as good as some of the triple-a titles released by major gamedev studios

Prix

TF2 is a rather an old game

and it was a bundle out of Half-life

user1306322

indie games range from $10 to $25

Prix

and half-life back in the days was not cheap

it is today

user1306322

12:42 AM

you could compare that to one-shot mangas from new mangakas

that is valve stuff, they're special

lol you could try to compare Naruto to Battlefield if you like

both are popular but both got fillers and basically repeat the same things over and over

if you paid a lil money each time you played a game like Battlefield, you'd probably end up spending about as much as for every chapter of a long-running manga by the time you're tired of that game and the manga is over

I'm not sure how much each chapter of Naruto cost, but I'm sure it's a significant sum if you count the total price of all chapters from the beginning to this date

anyway

this isn't what I wanted to talk about

indie games mostly have pretty low ratings

Prix

yes unknown authors, unrated, and others related things

user1306322

only the best can afford to be sold for $20-30

Prix

not really no

user1306322

u have examples?

Prix

mobile games that require you to buy items have a pretty high monthly income

for example

user1306322

12:48 AM

mobile games are an entire other industry

Prix

bug village

user1306322

it's like comparing regular manga to visual novels

Prix

nope its the same thing

you could make a indie game with the same model

if its a hit

user1306322

I just can't get back on track with this talk

Prix

:P bad analogy but essentially your questioning is the payment models imposed

user1306322

12:50 AM

ok the best games out there cost $50 and they take about 15-20 hours to complete because we're only talking about single-player games that cannot be played forever

other games that are sold for as much and have a similar playthrough length are less often sold at full price, but rather on sales when they go for $25-35

it's as if a 9/10 game asked for $50 and people gladly paid that amount and then a 7.5/10 game asked for the same $50

of course gamers wouldn't want to pay that much, they'd wait for a sale

Taisho

user1306322

what I'm saying is you can't expect all customers to pay the same standard amount for all works of the same genre because obviously they have different quality

of course there are mad fans of, say, Golden Time, but I'm never paying full price for that kind of quality!

Prix

yes but again there are quite a few manga that should be sold 10x more than it costs and are sold on standard prices

user1306322

you can buy 10 copies of it then

Prix

which makes no sense

user1306322

12:55 AM

why not?

Prix

why would you buy 10 copies of the same thing if you can only use one yourself

user1306322

what makes you think it should be sold for ten times its price?

Prix

the same logic you proposed something not highly rated should be sold for less

as sometimes something that is also highly rated does sell for less than it should

user1306322

not that is should be sold for less, but that people won't buy if for that much

what you're saying is if it's super good, people will want to pay more for it

and these are the real scenarios

Prix

so you're saying you would like to pay for that 10$ manga 100$ just because you liked it, to favor the author

user1306322

12:58 AM

well duh, of course

Prix

but then you forgot that who gets the money is not the author

user1306322

how else would he know I liked it and I want more

I'd send the $90 directly to the author

fuck the greedy middlemen

Prix

that is if you had the means

user1306322

:D

Prix

But in the end that is a personal feeling and that will be perhaps 10% or less of the people

user1306322

12:59 AM

usually there are means, it's just that most creators don't want customers to do that because it would worsen the creator's relationship with their current producers

but independent companies and creators who don't have any publishers or producers, gladly accept money that way

for example, check out Kickstarter

crap never gets funded and the best projects receive many more times the amount they asked for

Prix

true but that is because they couldn't find a place that would accept their work or had faith it would be a hit and not just waste of money

user1306322

check this out kickstarter.com/projects/doublefine/double-fine-adventure

8.3 times the amount they asked for

coz fans know they can do it good

Prix

"fans" means you already have a establish line of a product

but something new is not always that easy

user1306322

there are examples where new companies acheived similar success thanks to their marketing efforts

of course there are also examples where everybody thought that it's gonna be great and it turned out to be a complete disaster

(duke nukem forever)

Prix

and things that don't even get funded at all

but that is what that place is for

user1306322

1:05 AM

because of low publicity and poor marketing

Prix

good ideas usually get backers

user1306322

and not interesting ideas

Prix

there were some nice projects with good marketing that never became reality there aswell

user1306322

because they're not interesting?

or that there are better projects leeching off attention at the same time

what I originally wanted to say is that I'll be willing to pay as much as I subjectively like something, disregarding its asking price because it usually doesn't match its objective quality

if a new AAA game costs $50 on release day but it's not good enough for me to be willing to pay that much, I'll wait for summer/winter sale and buy it for $15

Prix

You want a "Liked our games, donate here"

user1306322

1:14 AM

it already exists for a few years

humble store™ taxes the $15 for about %30 and the additional amount gets to the makers unchanged

if anime had that shit, we'd be swimming in the stuff we actually really liked

Taisho

Prix

@user1306322 its also possible that they would be focusing so much on that, that it wouldn't be something new anymore but rather a "oh, that again"...

or it would just decline

user1306322

well I can't say "cute girl" shows are getting more diverse…

there is a market for everything

if a company makes a mistake of releasing something bad, the customers will let it know by not buying their product

and next time they'll either do better or try something else

everyone was sure that Double Fine studio would release a wonderful new game if they supported it, and so they did

Sakamoto

0

Q: Is this image from an anime or fan art?

I found this image a bit ago and I found it again on my computer. I thought about it all day and I can't remember if its from an anime or fan art. I'm also curios what anime its from. Please help! http://imgur.com/l9bJbFC thanks!

identification-request

user1306322

ok enough gaming talk

gon grab sum t

watch more memochou

Prix

1:29 AM

I was referring myself mainly to continuations of a serie

that also point itself to the next one

so if you don't buy that one you wouldn't understand what comes next to some extent or w/e

there is of c the fact one or more products come out bad or people don't like it but that is normal they can just come up with a better one based on the expectations and the such.

but I think having a more open channel to the users is also very important

for instance if SAO aincrad was made more trustfully to the manga

it would most likely have a bigger sales rate

Logan M

SAO doesn't need to be good to sell well

And even if it was good I'm not sure it would sell better

Prix

the thing is not selling well but bursting the hoof with sales

there could have been better examples than SAO but that was the first one that came to mind

Logan M

Sales are mostly about hype and service. Quality is irrelevant because you're only selling to highly obsessed fans anyway and their demand is fairly inelastic

SAO could have been Mahou Sensou levels of bad and still would have turned a profit

And on the other hand, when an amazingly good show which is relatively unknown happens to appear (e.g. NGNL), they have to jump through all kinds of hoops to even get to 10k sales for V1 while SAO S1 was easily selling in the 30-40k range.

user1306322

reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2c8xdr/how_china_sells_peaches

Logan M

1:45 AM

Seems strange to bundle the two. I mean sure, they're both relatively common needs for a sizable fraction of the population, but surely there are people interested in one but not the other.

Prix

►

Logan M

Also they seem to be absurdly overpriced if the article linked there is correct

Prix

Damn all these identification requests without anime/manga tags :(

user1306322

first thing they should say is if it's manga or anime

Prix

yeah but most don't if I had another 5 points I would have edited

some do say but not as a tag, as a title

Logan M

1:53 AM

We don't have Anime/Manga tags

Prix

and I would prefer it as a tag since then it would be excluded from listing

user1306322

should enforce strict format

like a list

Prix

@LoganM we should for identification requests that are specific

Logan M

@Prix You mean anime-identification and manga-identification instead?

Prix

yes

Logan M

1:54 AM

We used to do that

Prix

that would work

user1306322

− Manga/Anime
− When seen
− Genre
− Plot
− Character description, etc

Prix

this way I can ignore manga-identification tags

user1306322

that doesn't work when user doesn't know if it's manga or anime

Logan M

but it's a problem because anime and manga aren't the only media on topic here

user1306322

1:55 AM

also three identification tags would be confusing for new users

Prix

have a more generic type than for example

Logan M

If the asker doesn't specify if it's an anime or manga, you should downvote it.

user1306322

right now it's as generic and not confusing as it gets

Logan M

Because that's basically always necessary information

Taisho

Prix

1:55 AM

yes but I can't set it to ignore

Logan M

3 tags would just be more confusing

Prix

if there is no tags

user1306322

users would definitely mistag from time to time and make it even more confusing

Logan M

I also have no way to ignore all the questions with poor grammar, but that doesn't mean we need a bad-grammar tag

user1306322

better just to leave it to us to properly format the core info

Prix

1:56 AM

@user1306322 inst that what the community is for, see SO for instance

mistaged questions are fixed by the community to reflect it

user1306322

it's not the tags that are the problem, it's the contents of the questions

Logan M

@Prix Nope, they're closed by the community just like everything else on SO

user1306322

I mean look at them − they have no common format

Prix

@LoganM this is completely different than what I am saying

@LoganM nope they are not, if you make a question about php and tag it as php and mysql they will just remove mysql

user1306322

@Prix I get what you mean, but from experience I can tell that it's easier just to format the contents of the question than add more tags

Prix

1:58 AM

or if you make a question about c# but its actually about php they will retag it

@user1306322 the thing is, there is a SO functionality that allows you not to list tag's you have on the ignore

if there is no tag then you can't ignore it

user1306322

SO doesn't have id questions :P

Prix

I would if that was only about manga

Logan M

@Prix What I'm saying is that you want to ignore a class of questions for which there's no reasonable reason that you should be able to ignore.

user1306322

ok different topics

Logan M

It's reasonable to want to ignore specific series because you don't know anything about the series

user1306322

2:00 AM

personally whenever I see "manga" I just close it and it usually takes me about 2 seconds to spot

Prix

@LoganM that's not true, you're denying the sites own features by trying to limit the tags for simplicity

Logan M

But for ID questions, I can identify a manga if I haven't read it but have seen the anime or vice versa.

Prix

I am in no way saying that you need to have 100 tags to express 1 thing

but you could definitively have a few tags

Logan M

We've discussed this before on meta

user1306322

(heated discussion among regulars on arqade)

Prix

2:01 AM

it would be essentially the same of having Stackoverflow and not having c#, php, and similar tags because it would create confusion to users

Logan M

Go dig up the old meta posts and add an answer if you disagree

Prix

@LoganM that is if it is 1:1

Logan M

@Prix Sure, if there's no anime you can't identify the manga based on the anime.

What I'm saying is that I don't see a good reason to split the tag based on medium rather than e.g. based on time period or genre.

If someone asks me to identify an 80s mecha anime, I'll just give them a blank stare because that's not something I know about.

user1306322

lol

Logan M

But that doesn't mean there should be tags for it

user1306322

2:06 AM

logans-blank-stare Use this tag for questions about 80's mecha anime

Logan M

The medium is ultimately part of the details of the question, not the subject of the question. Just like the genre, time period, art style, etc.

Prix

anime-identification plox

logans-stare kekka

Logan M

Anyway here's the relevant meta post:

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Q: Should the "anime-identification" tag be modified so that it applies to manga as well?

There's an anime-identification tag but no corresponding one for identifying manga. It does seem, to me at least, that manga identification requests are significantly rarer than ones for anime, but I do regularly see requests for identification from an image of a panel or a page from a manga (on ...

discussion status-completed tags identification-questions

Maybe there are others also, but I'm kinda lazy right now

user1306322

@Prix the problem is that manga is closely tied to anime and there's no telling if you can't know it or if the OP read a manga which was adapted into an anime that you have seen, in which case you're capable of answering

which makes it silly to divide the id tag into anime or manga

site will is more likely to lose answers that way

Prix

@user1306322 that's exactly why you would have the 2 tags there are people that care about identifying both and people who doesn't, that feature allows you to use SO's built feature to filter it which you can't do otherwise by default viewing the home page without doing anything else

Those who originally don't answer to manga identification will still not regardless

and they can just show what is convenient for them.

Taisho

2:12 AM

Prix

and again I am not saying you need to have 100's of tags but it can be a little broader on tags for that

user1306322

dakara… you can't know if you're interested in identifying a work based solely on the medium, because most of the time the descriptions are the same, just swap "watch" to "read"

Logan M

I don't understand why people always think that the best way to solve problems here is to make us more like SO. From what I can see on their meta, SO has the most problems of any SE site.

Prix

dakara... you're denying the functionality given to us.

Logan M

@ton.yeung Eirin from Touhou 8

Prix

2:14 AM

but I can understand why A&M would not care about that since there are so many unanswered questions and users that never come back

Logan M

what am I translating?

Prix

@LoganM just because I used SO as an example does not mean I am imposing hey lets be like them you're far too generalizing it.

@LoganM for Touhou 8 I assume