Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

3:00 AM

@ShinobuOshino 56 MB seems to be the biggest one that @Taisho has. And I didn't actually mean for him to have that one, but I guess I messed up there.

user1306322

I should ask on Cooking about how to save pizza

Logan M

Next largest ones are 3 in the 30-40 MB range.

user1306322

uugh it's not tasty

at all

Logan M

@Prix That would require 2 messages and would also require me to compress all the large images. I don't particularly know how to automate that.

Shinobu Oshino

@user1306322 you... what have you done, you ruin a pizza

@LoganM still too big there,

user1306322

3:02 AM

I have one more in the fridge

I'll use it instead

Logan M

I can do it manually for the 100-or-so big ones larger than 5 MB. But doing it for all of them by hand wouldn't be feasible.

Shinobu Oshino

you have that many? I do not want to burden you, if this is only my problem, just leave it be

Logan M

I have around 1k on @Taisho right now

user1306322

@LoganM I can remove that link manually from the text file :p

Logan M

(in total)

@user1306322 It already got posted so don't bother

user1306322

3:05 AM

oh

Logan M

The biggest one I have overall is 150 MB, but that one isn't in the batch that I've sorted yet

Shinobu Oshino

if my internet back to the old one, I wouldnt even able to load 5mb ones so it's fine, I got this good internet only for about 3 months. just got a promo here

Logan M

What's the biggest you can load?

user1306322

maybe closer to the end of the promo send them an official looking letter and say that you are willing to prolong your contract with them

Shinobu Oshino

for now? I guess more than 10

Logan M

3:09 AM

On the old one

Shinobu Oshino

uhh,, I don't know, maybe around 2mb, but it's fine, I can load it if i'm at work. but I can't load it with my home internet

@user1306322 unfortunately, that's not how it works :(

Prix

@LoganM something like this

Logan M

I don't have any sense of other ppl's bandwidths, so I'm just trying to get an idea what is reasonable. For me, the problem is sooner to be my browser crashing than images not loading, but other people have different connections and I'm trying to keep that in mind.

Prix

 public static void Main()
{
    var images = Directory.GetFiles(@"folder", "*.jpg", SearchOption.AllDirectories).ToList();
    foreach (var image in images)
    {
        var originalImage = Image.FromFile(image);
        var newImage = ScaleImage(originalImage, 300);
        string smallName = Path.GetDirectoryName(image) + @"\small_" + Path.GetFileNameWithoutExtension(image) + ".png";
        newImage.Save(smallName, ImageFormat.Png);
    }
}

public static Image ScaleImage(Image image, int maxHeight)

Logan M

@Prix no idea what that is

Prix

3:14 AM

I think since the chat is already limited to 300x300 pixels, create a new set of images with 300 max height and a proportional width so images look normally. and this should also reduce their size by A LOT.

@LoganM small code to get all images from directory and resize proportionally to the height and save as small_originalimagename.png

side note its untested but its something like that to automate it

Logan M

I have to keep the same file structure as before unless we're going to be re-editing the list @Taisho has. That means that .jpg has to stay .jpg, .png as .png, etc. Also, this only automates the actual compression step of it, but there's also the part about renaming every existing image on the Drive and uploading all these new ones.

Shinobu Oshino

@LoganM but it seems like it's only me, so don't overthink it :)

Taisho

user1306322

I always click the images to see detail, so doing that would be essentially ruining the convenience of full-size image oneboxes

Logan M

@user1306322 I can rename them in a regular way e.g. currentname_original.jpg

user1306322

3:18 AM

but if we did it, you'd see people asking for fullsize link every time

then we'd make Taisho post that link automatically

Logan M

Wouldn't be one click any more, but it would still be easy to find

Prix

@user1306322 on the other hand you do cache the full size regardless

Logan M

@user1306322 As a separate post? That would require him to post twice per image.

user1306322

@Prix it's not a problem for me

@LoganM yes, it would

Prix

@user1306322 just make him send the link right with the message

user1306322

3:19 AM

@Prix care to try it out for yourself?

Prix

try what? sending to post messages?

user1306322

what exactly do you mean "send the link right with the message"

Prix

you need to send 2 otherwise the image does not get oneboxed because the html changes for 2 lined messages.

Logan M

If you guys want that, I'm fine with it. But he already is a bit annoying when he interrupts ongoing conversations, and with 2 posts I feel like it would only get more annoying.

Prix

@user1306322 as in send the image message and one with its link referenced to it right after as a reply

user1306322

3:20 AM

that would be pretty annoying

also there's no guarantee the 2 messages will appear one after another in chat

someone else's message might get inbetween them

which would further worsen the situation

Prix

@LoganM I don't think many people will complain but this possible remove potential users to join the room they would get their browser to crash or memory sucked without even noticing.

Logan M

Another option is to always post the thumbnail and enable something akin to the what syntax to get him to link to the oiginal

Prix

@user1306322 that's why you send it as a reply

Logan M

(but not onebox it to save ppls bandwidth)

user1306322

we could just ask if anyone is having a problem with full-size images appearing in chat

Logan M

3:22 AM

@user1306322 @ShinobuOshino already is.

user1306322

link to details?

Prix

@LoganM we already tried that but unhappily there is no way to link the image to the original with any of the available code

Logan M

@Prix What I mean is that I store 2 copies of each image

user1306322

@Prix what? when?

Logan M

High quality original and chat version

Prix

3:24 AM

inst that what I was proposing lol

Logan M

He posts the chat version, but on command you can get the url for the full one

Prix

@user1306322 when we were having fun with ![]() [![]()]()?

user1306322

people would be constantly asking for fullsize link

I know I would

Prix

@LoganM something like he posted an image and if you run #about

it will give you the info about the last image

user1306322

@Prix oh you mean that

Logan M

3:25 AM

@user1306322 the structure of urls will be relatively regular. You could get it yourself without asking if you want.

user1306322

typing some command every time… ugh

better just post a full link after the thumbnail

Prix

@user1306322 that

Logan M

I don't know, posting twice is going to be annoying in the middle of conversations

Prix

if there was a way to send an image along with multiple lines that did save it but doesnt seem like

Logan M

especially if the two aren't one after the other

@Prix multiline messages don't onebox

Prix

3:26 AM

meh

user1306322

OR if users are really having serious problems, we could just reduce all image sizes and dimensions to something like 750×750 and be done with it :P

Prix

@LoganM yeah I know it doesn't because I can see on my bot that the CSS changes between the 2

Logan M

I don't want to reduce all images without at least keeping a copy of the originals somewhere

user1306322

alternatively, we could develop a script for chat that would convert the ![]() syntax to "onebox"

Shinobu Oshino

hmm, I don't mind with big picture, I already got used to it when I can't load an image

Prix

3:28 AM

well if only SE would take suggestion and actually implement em we wouldn't have such a hardship...

Logan M

We could write our own script, but that's always a bad solution since you can never guarantee that users will be using it.

Or even that it will continue to work in the future

Prix

@LoganM @user1306322 that is what I told you early about that stackapps thing

user1306322

add a link to our own chat room's scripts and improvements to the room's description on top right

Logan M

@user1306322 Still doesn't ensure anything.

Prix

if its not an actual implementation by SE new users wont see it either

user1306322

3:30 AM

regulars would point out that to new users who ask "wtf is this broken link!?!?"

and then they'll be all happy

Logan M

Chat should be perfectly functional without having to add anything additional.

user1306322

I know…

Prix

@user1306322 not like many of them care...

Logan M

Having to guide each new user to install the scripts just for this room is just not worth it

user1306322

yeah, I know all that

I just don't see any ideal solution

Prix

3:31 AM

I like the #about idea

this way if anyone is interested on a image they can just do #about

and it would post information about the previously posted image such as author original size link

Taisho

Prix

and only 1 #about would be required which means less spam

user1306322

probably gonna be something like

@Taisho full

Prix

#post about

Logan M

That's going to make him post again

yep

user1306322

3:32 AM

oh

ok I… did I just remove another image?

Prix

@LoganM not if you change the code to give it a different response

Logan M

aw I liked that image

Prix

@LoganM same here

Logan M

@Prix Or just make it a different command

Taisho

Prix

3:33 AM

#about seemed very direct

Logan M

ty

Taisho

My name is Taisho and I'm a chat bot. I can't do much right now, but I'm learning new things all the time. If you know something fun I could learn to do, let me know.
You can view the list of all commands by saying `#commands`. If anything is unclear, say `#help`.

Prix

or #last

Logan M

Problem with that syntax is that it doesn't refer to a particular image, so you can't get info on any except the most recent one

user1306322

.#fullsize would probably make more sense

Logan M

3:34 AM

That's why making it like what is better

Prix

if you stop reading commands as StartWith or Contains

you could do #post about

and #post id

Logan M

What's wrong with this syntax?

@Taisho fullsize

user1306322

I'm keeping the history of messages, don't worry about context

Logan M

And he'd post something like:

> googledrive.com/host/0B_8okaqRyPERVlM0OVVCS29TVzQ/… .

Prix

yes but since he will post that why not make it like

> The author was this image was XXX click here to see it in full sizes

or something alike

Logan M

3:36 AM

We don't have any meta data on the bulk of the images

Prix

You know that moves foward with the other idea we were talking about saying the image author anime or manga etc

Logan M

And no way to automate gathering that either AFAICT

Prix

You said you could make it

:(

Taisho

> All images were uploaded into me by Logan, ask him where he got them.

Logan M

I can do it on an individual basis

Prix

3:37 AM

if I recall it you said you did reverse all the images to get their info

Logan M

I can't go re-lookup 22k images just to fill out a table that mostly we won't need

Prix

Wouldn't that be a lot nicer so people know where that image is from possible the character name and anime name if any

etc

user1306322

ask Logan

Prix

22k? was it not at 1k?

Logan M

@Prix 1k currently uploaded

This is more-or-less a test run

Prix

3:38 AM

yes if you update the info of the current 1k

then new images would only be posted with proper information

Logan M

I have 22k total, of which I've only sorted through 1/16

Prix

which would make new ones not empty

oh mmm

well if I had a proxy

I could probably make a small scrapper

but I don't have any proxies for that

Logan M

@Prix This is a matter of 30-45 seconds per image. Which means even for the 1k I already have, we're talking about 10 hours of work

If you want to do that, go ahead, but I'm not going to

user1306322

if somebody asked me to fill up description for a 1000 images, if it wasn't easily automatable, I would refuse

Prix

we can make a scraper for that

but without a proxy with a few IP's that would be a no go

Logan M

3:40 AM

But if someone asks me for any particular image, I can easily do it.

user1306322

@ton.yeung what about Japanese people?

Logan M

@Prix If you want to do that, go ahead. I'm not going to.

Prix

@LoganM like I said without a proxy there is no way to do that

user1306322

proxy like a person who can be delegated that task or a remote computer?

Prix

proxy as in a proxy server with a few privates IP's that I can use to scrap the data

as google ban ips very aggressively

user1306322

3:42 AM

you won't have to scrape it beforehand, much less all and at the same time

just one image at a time on demand

Logan M

Seems like an absurd amount of work when I can do it on demand for basically any image already.

Prix

yeah but if they blacklist your IP then it won't be usable for a lot of things including search

user1306322

I feel like we're trying to solve a problem nobody is currently having

Prix

@ton.yeung LOL I don't think that is legal -_-

@user1306322 well honestly I don't care about the image size, however I do think sending out more than 5mb on the chat room is way way too much

with the sizes as they are you can easily eat 1GB mem

people with regular computers with no tech knowledge would just crash on the room without knowing why

and eventually not come back

user1306322

I gotta agree with that, but it's mostly the chat's problem for not making thumbnails like it should

Logan M

3:45 AM

I have a regular computer and no tech knowledge and I haven't crashed.

Prix

@ton.yeung IRC go'ol'times ;P

user1306322

my firefox only crashes if I go o the Thrills and Spills room and scroll it all the way back and forth a few times

Prix

@LoganM regular computer = 2GB memory or less

Logan M

@Prix Maybe 6 years ago.

user1306322

ok I have a netbook that can't run any browser on a blank page without seriously slowing down the system

it has 1GB ram

Logan M

3:46 AM

I bought the cheapest laptop I could 3 years ago and it still had 4 GB ram

Prix

@LoganM nope, world wide there are many countries where regular computer have memory up to 2GB

Logan M

@user1306322 netbook =/= regular computer

Taisho

Prix

@Taisho /like

user1306322

also yes, 8 years ago was the last time I checked computers were sold with just 2 gigs, 6 years ago at least 4 GB was a standard for desktops in most hardware shops I know

Prix

3:48 AM

lets say 4GB people pack stuff up that they use an avg of 1~2GB

so they have 2 left

browser bar, antivirus, office all those running stuff at the same time, bla bla

I am just saying I personally dont care about the image size

but that can potentially scare users away

that's why I suggested the small sized ones

Logan M

People with no tech knowledge don't even use antiviruses

user1306322

my PC is 6 years old and when I want to play something without lagging, first thing I do is obviously shutdown uTorrent and all is fine because chat doesn't eat CPU

Logan M

I still agree that we should try to get the images smaller

But I'm more concerned with eating up someone's bandwidth than crashing their browser.

Prix

and wouldn't that kill both problems?

Logan M

Unless they're scrolling back in chat, in most cases there should be at most 2 images by @Taisho at a time.

user1306322

3:50 AM

I propose a simple script that would convert the onebox image link to fullsize link (if we can pull off "filename_fullsize.jpg")

Prix

resizing the image to 300 height with proportional width will be the custom size and they will probably not be bigger than 1MB

@user1306322 no one would use :/

user1306322

better yet just make all posted links "http://hosting.com/originalfilename_thumb.xxx" and remove "_thumb" for fullsize

@Prix trust me, everyone in this room would start using it day 1

Logan M

@ton.yeung do people actually use phones for chat? I don't know since I've never even come close to wanting a smart phone, but it seems like it would be absurd to try to participate in a chatroom on a tiny screen like that.

Prix

@user1306322 that is what the code I posted early does, it will read a given directory resize all the images and save the resize image with small_imagename.png you can append the "small" anywhere

Logan M

@user1306322 That's basically what I was proposing

Prix

3:53 AM

@LoganM I do -_- im on my phone right now

user1306322

@ton.yeung but do they use their phones for this chat?

Prix

but images only load if I click it

user1306322

:p

virtual mouse controlled by joystick

Prix

@ton.yeung touch screen pen yes?

user1306322

Opera has it

Prix

3:54 AM

-_-?

user1306322

I also have a pen phone :p

Prix

you touch it, whatever!

user1306322

and it clicks coz it's broken

Logan M

FWIW my tablet has a mouse. Not a phone but it runs the same OS as some phones.

user1306322

WP?

Prix

3:55 AM

mine is WP8

WP?

Windows Phone

Ah no Android

I use my nail with my phone

you could call it "nailscreen phone"

resistive displays are shit when it comes to conventional "touching"

Logan M

Anyway @user1306322 if I do filename_thumb.xxx for chat version and filename.xxx for full version, @Taisho's links will need to be re-input. I can do filename.xxx and filename_full.xxx to avoid that if you prefer.

Prix

3:59 AM

@ton.yeung I was expecting you to say "Prix no ecchi"

user1306322

I primarily do that because windows mobile OS was poorly designed and many controls are too tiny to accurately press them from the first try with a finger

@LoganM I just think that removing a part of the name would be easier than typing something in

Prix

@LoganM or he could only append the thumb to it

user1306322

also it'd be best if it was double-click selectable

https://googledrive.com/host/0B_8okaqRyPERVlM0OVVCS29TVzQ/951-25844-27956.jpg

Logan M

What do you mean by "double-click selectable"?

user1306322

problem with underscore is that it's not selected by double-clicking the word near it

try double-clicking 25844

Logan M

4:01 AM

25844?

user1306322

ok example link:

https://googledrive.com/host/0B_8okaqRyPERVlM0OVVCS29TVzQ/imagename_lalala_some‌thingelse_thumbnail.jpg

Taisho

Logan M

works perfectly fine for me

user1306322

this is how selection works for me when I double-click the word thumbnail

Logan M

Yeah, that's what you get if you double click

user1306322

4:03 AM

well that's what I was talking about

Logan M

How is that any different from the existing structure?

user1306322

it'd be better if the whole additional word could be selected, deleted with just 1 hit of [del] key and user could press enter to see the full picture

Logan M

oic

user1306322

but better yet, that extension we were discussing that'd do this automatically

Logan M

couldn't you just write a script that converts all the links to original ones?

user1306322

4:05 AM

somebody could, but I don't know the first thing about js

Logan M

in which case for people using that, it wouldn't be any more work than just clicking on the link

user1306322

it'd be wonderful

but only if somebody could make it

either the SE chat dev team (least likely), the StackApp users (somewhat more likely) or some other user in a programming chat room (most likely scenario)

Logan M

I suspect we can find someone here who knows enough of some language so that they can convert URLs matching a specific pattern to point somewhere else.

user1306322

I don't know any other users on SE who I could ask to make it, so might as well just go spam all SO chat rooms

maybe they'll also be so kind as to implement that starred image list

Prix

@user1306322 try the SE to post challenges forgot the URL maybe they do it there for u

codegolf.se

if you properly describe rules and stuff they will most likely take on it

Logan M

4:13 AM

meh if it's not something that's easy to do e.g. like stackoverflow.com/questions/179713/…

If it's not trivial to do then it's not worth the effort IMO.

Sakamoto

0

Q: What causes this animation error?

There was a lot of animation errors in the second episode of Rail Wars. This one in particular stuck out to me: You can see there the cars on the lower left are not where they are supposed to be. There also cars floating on the right and center. I'm not sure if they are supposed to be traffic ...

anime-production

user1306322

@Sakamoto nu-uh, off-topic

Logan M

I don't get what he's asking

Prix

@user1306322 string filename = string.Format("{0}://{1}{2}", u.Scheme, u.Host, Path.Combine(Path.GetDirectoryName(u.AbsolutePath), Path.GetFileNameWithoutExtension(u.AbsolutePath) + "_thumbnail" + Path.GetExtension(u.AbsolutePath)).Replace(@"\", "/"));

Logan M

Obviously what causes the error is people making a mistake

user1306322

4:16 AM

@Prix that's C# talk

Prix

@LoganM what if I wanted to park my car by the tree ...

user1306322

and I'd do a check first for google drive folder id to know if it came from Logan's folder and then see if it has "_thumbnail" in it

@Prix you wouldn't park your car in a way that it would occlude the tree when seen from above

Prix

lol I wasn't looking at the bigger size so I didnt notice there was a car on top of a tree

Logan M

I don't recommend parking your car on top of a tree

user1306322

just cheap production I suppose

Logan M

4:21 AM

Rail Wars has tons of minor errors like this

So many that I'm starting to think it's deliberate

user1306322

Prix

@LoganM true

Shinobu Oshino

@user1306322 it's funny you don't mark the car flying on left in the circle bulding

user1306322

oh I didn't notice

it looked like a logo

Prix

$("img[@class='user-image']").each(function()
{
    this.href = this.href.replace(/(.*)\/([^.]+)(.*)/i, "$1$2_thumbnail$3");
});

untested but something like this

ima hit the sack, gn

user1306322

4:26 AM

nighty

Prix

regex101.com/r/dA0cY5/1

user1306322

also poor sack, being hit and all

Taisho

Logan M

If you can adjust Taisho's list to append _thumb (or just _t if you prefer) to all the files, I'll go with that approach. It will preserves any existing links to the large versions, which may or may not be desirable.

I'll still need to automate the compression, but I can find a way to do that I guess.

user1306322

I could just run a replace ".jpg" > "_thumb.jpg" in notepad :P

Logan M

4:33 AM

wouldn't work exactly since I think there are a few links which aren't mine

And you'd need to do the same for other extensions, though that's not too bad.

user1306322

there are about 20 links like that which I could cut and then paste back

jpg, jpeg, png, … bmp?

Logan M

no bmp

maybe gif though

won't be animated and most likely won't need compression

user1306322

you wouldn't compress a gif!

Logan M

I'll need to upload a thumbnail version for all the images though, even if they're already reasonably sized and don't need compression

so might as well do it for gifs also

If I only do it for big ones, that will make it almost impossible to do your end automatically.

user1306322

ok I just had an idea

instead of reducing all images how about just the ones that are more than like 5 MB?

Logan M

4:36 AM

I can do that

but I'll still need to upload a second copy of all of them if you want to use the _thumb format.

user1306322

then just parse the list of all links in the folder and see of there are both full and thumbnail version

and only add thumbnail to the posting list

if there is no thumb for a given image, add the full link

saves unnecessary reduction of smaller images

(not sure why I'm explaining what everyone already understood)

Logan M

We can do the same thing by just copying the full version to the thumbnail version

user1306322

but we still need that extension >.>

I suppose

I need more tea

Logan M

I'm still not sure 5 MB is the right level either. I could go down to 2 MB or 1 MB if ppl would be happier. Or I can just compress everything to sizes optimized for chat e.g. never having a dimension greater than 300 px.

user1306322

could also run everything thru image optimizers :p

multiple even and select the smallest of results

that'll look like a more serious task

Logan M

4:50 AM

If everything is scaled down to 300x300 max resolution, even without any further compression I think the largest images shouldn't be more than 500 kB.

Of course most of them will be much smaller than that

At that point I'm not sure it's even worth the effort to compress them further.

user1306322

probably not

but I was talking about the original images

maybe could save some google drive space

Logan M

IMO originals should be kept as close to the original source as possible

I don't want to have to go find a different version because there's a compression artifact somewhere or something stupid. If people want to do stuff with them after they get them, fine, but I'd rather not make modifications on my end to the originals

user1306322

for a moment I thought that there are some lossless compression algos, but then I remembered those are for images with transparency and solid colors

Logan M

Yes there are lossless compression algorithms, and they could probably do something here

but even still, poor compression is part of the original artwork IMO.

Improving on that, while it doesn't change anything visual, is changing the artwork.

(albeit in a very minor way)

Taisho