Japanese Language

Anonymous

7:34 PM

japanese.stackexchange.com/posts/19062/revisions

Anonymous

He wrote:

Anonymous

> fixed furigana formatting, added comma for furigana readability

Anonymous

Is it really okay to add a comma to 坊っちゃん? :-)

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Is Botchan easy to read?

Anonymous

aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/752_14964.html

Anonymous

7:43 PM

My IME converts it to 坊ちゃん and I have to remember to do 坊っちゃん instead

Anonymous

I don't know what "I understand this as a determiner" is supposed to mean

Anonymous

Japanese doesn't have determiners

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この

Anonymous

The closest category in Japanese grammar is 連体詞

Anonymous

But those are not determiners

Anonymous

7:45 PM

There is a 連体詞「ある」

Anonymous

Anyway, this seems like it's a relative clause 小学校に居る modifying 時分

Anonymous

Nothing to do with determiners

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Determiners stop the expansion of a noun phrase

Anonymous

But I've seen そのあの子

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@snailboat What does that mean?

Anonymous

7:47 PM

@3to5businessdays You can't say "my this book" or "this my book"

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this book of mine

Anonymous

To put it another way

Anonymous

There is only one determiner slot

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sweet child of mine

Anonymous

Are you waiting for me to respond to these? I can explain them if you really want me to

Anonymous

7:50 PM

@3to5businessdays In this example you have two NPs, one embedded in the other. Neither has more than one determiner

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Here you have the same thing, except the outermost phrase has an attributive modifier, not a determiner

Anonymous

of mine is a construction sometimes called the "double genitive", which unfortunately uses the term "genitive" to refer to two rather different things

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@snailboat I'm just messing with this one

Anonymous

So in The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language they use the term "oblique" to refer to the of-phrase

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@snailboat It might be weird, saith the Honorable ssb

Anonymous

7:52 PM

So we have "this book", where the determinative this fills the determiner slot, and the nominal book of mine consisting of the head noun book and the oblique adjunct of mine is the head of the noun phrase

Anonymous

The internal structure of of mine is that of a preposition phrase, with the head of and the complement being mine, the independent form of the genitive determinative my, in fused determiner-head function

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I yield, I yield! Please, no more!

Anonymous

That is, within the noun phrase mine, it plays the determiner and head noun roles simultaneously

Anonymous

Which is termed "fusion"

Anonymous

Neither breaks the rule that there is only one determiner slot

Anonymous

7:54 PM

Japanese doesn't have a special determiner slot

Anonymous

連体詞 are just non-inflecting words that function as 連体修飾語

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So

Anonymous

But the larger phrase they form with the head noun can be modified again

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Have you read Botchan?

Anonymous

No

Anonymous

7:57 PM

Are you planning on reading it? :-)

Anonymous

I could read it too!

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I am scared by the wall of text

Anonymous

Hey, it has English in it!

Anonymous

> 山嵐は might is right という英語を引いて説諭（せつゆ）を加えたが、何だか要領を得ないから、聞き返してみたら強者の権利と云う意味だそうだ。

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suizokukan is very brave

Anonymous

7:58 PM

I think they'll have trouble without learning some more grammar

Anonymous

But it's okay, it's an opportunity to learn! :-)

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@snailboat I'll just read the English parts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anonymous

Hee

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Oh I see that's the second line of 坊っちゃん

Anonymous

Yes

Anonymous

8:07 PM

I saw that too :-)

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Is it a good idea? It's written in 1906

Anonymous

A good idea in what sense?

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The 6th sense

Anonymous

Presumably if you're reading it, it's because you think you'll enjoy it :-)

Anonymous

He's a very important author in Japanese literature

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8:14 PM

I mean it would be more useful for beginners to start with more modern stuff

Anonymous

Oh, yes, for beginners it would be too difficult I think

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Not just that

Anonymous

Uh-huh?

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There might be archaic constructs/words and what not

Anonymous

Yes

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8:18 PM

That probably won't be immediately useful

Anonymous

Very much so

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Or rather, generally useful

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Prioritization is pretty important, I guess!

Darius Jahandarie

10:46 PM

I can sometimes never quite decide if I want to use Japanese terminology or translate it all.

Darius Jahandarie

11:33 PM

@snailboat is that how it's suppose to look, or are there some combining character issues going on here?

Anonymous

ARGH

Anonymous

The little plus thingy goes under the c.

Anonymous

Which one of our browsers is doing it right, and how should I fix it if mine is wrong?

Anonymous

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Q: IPA and diacritic rendering

I wrote an answer that looks like this in my browser (SeaMonkey on Linux): See the little diacritic under the [c]? Well, for Darius, it looks like this: Which one of our browsers is rendering it correctly? How should I fix it, if it's broken? Help!

Darius Jahandarie

11:44 PM

Hmm, so it happens both when using Helvetica Neue and Arial for me. It also happens in both Chrome and Firefox.

And I use Linux, of course. I wonder where the difference lies.

Anonymous

Let me try in proper Firefox, not this SeaMonkey almost-Firefox thing

Darius Jahandarie

(I'm using IceWeasel, technically)

Anonymous

That's Firefox on Linux

Anonymous

Now for Chrome!

Anonymous

11:48 PM

This is one of my least favorite things

Darius Jahandarie

I'm honestly not sure how the font rendering stack works in webbrowsers.

Anonymous

Poorly, by the look of it.

Darius Jahandarie

Do xorg settings affect it, for example?

I was under the impression they were entirely standalone

But this seems to be suggesting otherwise

Anonymous

Ah, nah, I think it all goes through Xft these days

Anonymous

It's too complex for me to remember how it works precisely, though

Anonymous

11:50 PM

I know how it used to work :-)

Anonymous

Oh my god, why does Chrome look terrible on this computer? :-)

Anonymous

What is going on with that font rendering?

Darius Jahandarie

My Xft version is Debian's 2.3.1-1, FWIW.

Anonymous

I updated the meta question with more screen shots: meta.japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1287/…

Tim

11:54 PM

@snailboat

Anonymous

Hello, @Tim!

Tim

Hi. Did you award your bounty for the のか／か question early?

Darius Jahandarie

I tested it on my Windows computer. Also broken in Chrome there, though the plus is slightly more to the right.

Anonymous

@Tim Oh, I'm afraid I did! One of the answers was well ahead of the others in terms of reputation and it had 3 days left so I thought I'd just award it

Darius Jahandarie

Also broken in IE (11), if anyone uses it anymore these days.

Anonymous

11:59 PM

@DariusJahandarie I have 2.3.1-2

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