Japanese Language

Choko

3:01 PM

全部大文字だと・・・

怖い

名前も怖い

THIS IS AN EXPRESS OF RESPECT 　>> そうなんですか？

Anonymous

Eep!

Anonymous

It's SHOUTING! :-)

Rilakkuma

omg

Choko

はは・・

Anonymous

Whatever name you pick, I strongly suggest not rendering it in all caps throughout her life. — Lightness Races in Orbit 13 mins ago

Darius Jahandarie

3:07 PM

Where are all these offsite users coming from all of a sudden?

Anonymous

さあ

Anonymous

I take every chance I get to say さあ because I like saying it

Anonymous

Hehe

Darius Jahandarie

さあね

Anonymous

Asked 17 minutes ago, 4 flags

Anonymous

3:08 PM

I don't know when to say さあ and when to say さあね :-)

Anonymous

Sometimes my ね use is sort of random

Anonymous

And I don't really know why I'm saying it

Anonymous

Just a sec, I have an idea

Anonymous

Yep, I was right

Anonymous

in Charcoal HQ, 21 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MY DAUGHTERS NAME on japanese.stackexchange.com

Anonymous

3:10 PM

That's where :-)

Darius Jahandarie

Hehe.

Figured it was something like that.

Anonymous

Yeah, I saw Lightness and another Meta.SE-er and figured :-)

Darius Jahandarie

I can't say I appreciate them all swarming in that like that and "feeding the troll". Not like it's a huge deal of course.

Anonymous

I picked Unclear What You're Asking

Anonymous

I guess it was either that or Primarily Opinion-Based?

Darius Jahandarie

3:17 PM

I would have gone with the latter, but who cares. :P

Anonymous

I actually don't know what "I would like to know more about names" is asking

Anonymous

Ooh, I want caffeine

Anonymous

I'm going to go make tea!

Rilakkuma

name Ako reminds me of Livonian warlord who fought against germanic invaders :D

Choko

ako means cute <- そうなの？

亜子 <- 「亜」の意味は知らない

Rilakkuma

3:28 PM

亜細亜の亞

意味が無いけどね。

Choko

意味ないのか・・

Anonymous

I zapped the comments and switched to Primarily Opinion-Based

Anonymous

Hello! Welcome to Japanese.SE! I'm afraid that this sort of chatty, open-ended question doesn't really work with the Stack Exchange format. I suggest you try a discussion forum. — snailboat ♦ 17 secs ago

Anonymous

Does that seem fair?

Earthliŋ

@Rilakkuma もちろん意味は一応あるんだけど＝）

Rilakkuma

3:28 PM

アキコの「あっこ」

Anonymous

@Rilakkuma Oh, the variants of 亜 are interesting to me!

Rilakkuma

もしかして

Choko

意味がcute で、「あ」って読む漢字？

Rilakkuma

@snailboat good you noticed. Did not know there are two of them by the way.

Choko

何だろう・・・

Rilakkuma

3:30 PM

cute -> 可愛い -> あっ？

Choko

愛子？

Rilakkuma

愛子だね。ちょっと昭和っぽいけど。

Earthliŋ

How about 可愛い子【あこ】

Oh, that didn't work

Choko

愛って、cuteよりlove..

Anonymous

悪・惡
壷・壺
唖・啞
亜・亞

Choko

3:31 PM

あ、lovelyってこと？

Rilakkuma

@snailboat @.@

Choko

愛子って・・・

aikoだよね

普通は

Anonymous

I remember when I was playing a videogame, Skyrim...

Rilakkuma

考えすぎなくて良いと思う。普通は愛子じゃん。

Anonymous

Some of the jars were 壺 and some of them were 壷

Anonymous

3:34 PM

Which I thought was curious :-)

Anonymous

I think the ones you could pick up were 壷 and the ones you couldn't were 壺

Anonymous

I wondered if they did it by accident

Rilakkuma

こ1【壺】
中国，古代のつぼ形の盛酒器。殷周時代の青銅製の祭器がよく知られる。
こ【壺】漢字
酒や水を入れる器。つぼ。「壺觴（こしよう）」「香壺（こうご）」「唾壺（だこ）」「投壺」「銅壺」

こ1【壺】
中国，古代のつぼ形の盛酒器。殷周時代の青銅製の祭器がよく知られる。

どう違うかな。

Anonymous

The dictionary entries? One is for the word and one is for the kanji

Rilakkuma

the dictionary hits on the same kanji when selecting both of them

perhaps just different way to write same kanji, such as 國 and 国

齒

Anonymous

3:50 PM

They're 異体字

Anonymous

So unless you need to write it a specific way, like in a name, you can consider them the same character

Anonymous

So I think in most 漢和辞典 they would have the same entry

Rilakkuma

...or even no entries...

Anonymous

That seems unlikely

Anonymous

It's not like 壺 is a rare kanji

Anonymous

3:54 PM

Anonymous

That's from 学研's 大きな字の常用漢和辞典

Anonymous

This is from 集英社国語辞典

Anonymous

Which says 壷 is a 俗字

Anonymous

Sorry I'm not very good at taking photos :-)

Anonymous

4:03 PM

新漢語林 just says 同字

Anonymous

It's hard to take a good picture of my 電子辞書

Choko

4:20 PM

綺麗に撮れてますのではっきり読めます

Darius Jahandarie

How do you enter things in a 電子辞書 anyways? I assume there's a keyboard for spelling things out, but other than that, what interfaces do you get?

Rilakkuma

there's pad to write kanjis by hand

Choko

左端の、「注意　こんは別字」の字の、壺との違いも見えます。

(私のパソコンでは出せませんが)

Earthliŋ

@DariusJahandarie Most 電子辞書 have a pen with character recognition. There's also by radical, by reading, etc...

Choko

そうですね、最近のは、指で入力できますね

Anonymous

4:24 PM

On mine both screens are touchscreens, and you can enter kanji really big on the top screen if you want, but I mostly enter kanji on the bottom one in the little squares

Anonymous

If you enter the kanji wrong or if it recognizes it wrong, then you can tap the kanji and it gives you a list of candidates

Anonymous

That's the main search screen for entering stuff in

Anonymous

If you know a word the kanji is in, you can type the word into the 熟語 search in 新漢語林 (or in any of the other dictionaries) and then use the "jump" feature to look up the kanji

Anonymous

4:30 PM

@Choko Ohh, at first I had a hard time seeing where it was different

Anonymous

But now I see, it's at the top of 亞

Rilakkuma

wow you have colours there!

Anonymous

In 壺 the 冖 and 亞 are merged together so the 冖 is the top stroke of 亞

Anonymous

But in the 別字 it's a separate stroke, with 亞 underneath 冖

Anonymous

「壼」と「壺」

Anonymous

4:31 PM

I had trouble telling the difference between them at first

Anonymous

@Rilakkuma It's a new-ish model! :-)

Anonymous

It's this one casio.jp/exword/products/XD-N10000

Rilakkuma

looks cool

I have the one which was probably the last before colour ones came

also ExWord

Anonymous

<3 EX-WORD

Rilakkuma

and two windows to write by pen

it has Tagalog, Korean, Chinese, German and Russian inside too

probably Thai too, can't remember

Anonymous

4:44 PM

The one I have is last year's model. This year's looks neat, although it's brown too

Anonymous

Two years ago they had one that was wine red!

Rilakkuma

yeah, remember it

golden one was good too :)

Anonymous

I had my eye on the red one but I didn't buy one until they switched it to brown

Anonymous

I guess I like the color of mine though :-)

Anonymous

It's funny, when I look at that dictionary and see 壼 and 壺, the difference is really obvious to me now

Anonymous

4:48 PM

But when I looked earlier, I had a hard time figuring out what was different!

Anonymous

Here on SE chat, they're so tiny I can't really tell which is which... :-)

Anonymous

I guess I can if I look close enough

Rilakkuma

there's one related to 曙 mentioned in wiki

異体字セレクタ

異体字セレクタ (英: variation selector) は、付加された文字の字形をより詳細に指定する、Unicodeにおけるセレクタ（選択子）である。 == 解説 == Unicodeは文字コード (コンピュータ上で文字を扱うための電子的な表現) の規格であり、WindowsやMac OS Xなど、PCのオペレーティングシステムで広く使われている。Unicodeでは抽象的な文字を定め、個々の文字の字形の詳細には立ち入らない。このため同じ意味で似た形の文字には同じ電子的な表現が与えられ、字形の区別が必要なときはフォントの指定などによって行うのが原則である。この原則は、たとえばラテン文字の 'a' で、上部の右から左へ伸びる線があるかどうか、という違いは通常は「フォントの違い」であり「別の字」とはしないため問題ない。しかし漢字などでは、運用上しばしば「別の字」とされる字形を、様々な経緯の結果「詳細/デザイン差」として同じ符号位置としてしまっているため、なんとかしなければならなくなってしまった。たとえば、ほとんどのオペレーティングシステムにおいてファイル名はプレーンテキストであり、プレーンテキストで区別できないものは区別できない。 IMEに単語登録可能な文字列は通常プレーンテキストのみである。このためフォントの指定やDTPアプリケーションによる字形の選択が可能で...

Anonymous

Oh, that's too tiny for me to see too...

Anonymous

Ah! That helped :-)

Anonymous

4:50 PM

I was about to make my font big

Choko

曙

Anonymous