Japanese Language - 2013-04-11 (page 1 of 2)

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Anonymous

2:20 AM

@Chocolate Hehe! Maybe so :-) I still run across lots of stuff I don't understand, though.

Anonymous

2:52 AM

sc-smn.jst.go.jp/top

Ugh.

I can never format my answers in a way that feels nice to me.

I'm doing a gravedig answer but I think it deserves it

Anonymous

3:39 AM

That's a good thing! You don't need to justify answering an old question. A major goal of SE is to have questions future users can find useful, even if the original asker is long gone.

Anonymous

4:32 AM

I can't seem to hear this correctly: http://sandwich.quarplet.com/panda1.mp3

「開発などの（しんぎんばっさい？）で住みかをなくし」

0

A: Positive Past Plain form of Iku is Itta not iita?

Here is how you derive the past tense for 行く (and the te-form, equivalently): past tense of /iku/ == { past tense of X = continuative form of X + /ta/ } /iki/ + /ta/ == { generating a new word requires sound-changes } repair(devoicing(/ikita/)) == { /i/ and /u/ become devoice...

I tried! And mostly failed at the historical explanation.

But the stuff before the first line break is still useful I think.

Anonymous

Gemination, not germination

Anonymous

Like gemini

Argh.

That's what I get for switch everything from sokuonbin at the last second

4:56 AM

But maybe Dono will come and save the day, he seems to have a massive collection of historical poems and other writings.

Anonymous

I think you can pull lots of citations from 日本国語大辞典 if you have access to JapanKnowledge

Anonymous

I was just looking at that. I know some schools have access to JK for students

Anonymous

It looks like it's $16/month otherwise

Anonymous

@djahandarie About 〜うた: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/3299/…

Excellent. Will update that. Also, interesting.

I think I've read this answer before, lol.

I think I didn't really know anything when I read it though. Probably like 2 months ago.

Anonymous

5:19 AM

detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1112000266

Need to run, will read that later.

Anonymous

5:58 AM

愛する seems like an irregular verb

Anonymous

6:18 AM

Hmm. I guess it's becoming a 五段 verb

Anonymous

dic.yahoo.co.jp/…

Anonymous

I think that could make a good question of some sort--about 五段化, maybe?

Anonymous

I'm not sure what to ask, though.

Anonymous

7:17 AM

Well, I asked something! :-)

10:29 AM

@snailplane are 愛さない and 愛しない competing negative forms? Or they are different from each other?

6 hours later…

4:35 PM

@snailplane しんりんばっさい、(森林伐採)やね

Anonymous

@Chocolate Oh, thank you! I wonder why I heard it as /g/ instead of /r/

Anonymous

@Flaw I don't know whether 愛しない is okay or not

Anonymous

伐採 is a new word for me!

Anonymous

@Chocolate It's from sc-smn.jst.go.jp/playprg/index/A080511026

Anonymous

レッサーパンダ、かわいい＾＾

4:51 PM

「Flashなんとか～～がインストールされていないか？？で、見られない」とか言われた

おかしいなあ・・インストールしてるはずなんだけど・・

ここで、前に、「愛する」「察する」とかの話をしたけど、

結局、あまりにややこしいので、分からなくなった。

11

Q: What are the valid potential forms of special "suru" verbs?

Good afternoon all, From what I understand, special "suru" verbs only have one potential form which is formed using the syntax: [verb-stem] + [せる] For example, 愛す・愛する → 愛せる and 訳す・訳する → 訳せる. However, A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar claims that "熱する (ねっする)" and "察する (さっする)" conjuga...

All I could see was, 察する,熱する,愛する are a bit different from other ５段活用

Anonymous

ええと・・・「発する」も？

ええと・・・

(?_?)

アカン！

wwww

わからへん～www

Anonymous

I found this page

Anonymous

- ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Anonymous

Oops

Anonymous

4:57 PM

I don't entirely understand ^^;

Anonymous

発しない　発さない？

I think I have to read the post ゆっくり one more time

はっ・・・

はっ。。。

「ひとこともはっしなかった」かな？

？？

(↑ヤバい,アカンww)

Anonymous

My computer won't convert はっさない into 発さない.

おおお

Anonymous

But there are google results for 発さない google.com/…

5:00 PM

「ひとこともはっさなかった」

かな

Anonymous

I guess so! Do you think they're both okay?

Anonymous

I haven't heard enough Japanese to be able to tell which is okay.

Anonymous

is 発しない better?

ここによると・・・
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1312428278

？？

Anonymous

奏しない・・・奏さない・・・

5:03 PM

どちらかから、どちらかに、移行してるらしい・・・

ここに書いてある、
「６．「―ッ」の場合
「発するとき」「発しない」／「発すとき」「発さない」
「接するとき」「接しない」／「接すとき」「接さない」
“漢語らしさ”が最も強く、サ変の活用を最後まで保ちそうです。」
の意味がよく分からない・・・

「発しない」にはならない、って言ってるみたい。多分

(「サ変」ってどっち？？)

Anonymous

I think サ変　＝　サ行変格活用

Anonymous

== する動詞

Anonymous

ですね

じゃ、左？

Anonymous

Umm

5:06 PM

Umm

ｗｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Oh! I've got it. 左＝サ変、　右＝五段

かしこい～！！

ww

アカン、もう、分からん

Anonymous

Hee

I need to read ゆっくり。。。

Anonymous

サ変　＝　名詞＋する but I guess the verbs are getting re-interpreted as 五段 like 直す

5:10 PM

Hmm it's confusing even in 日本語・・・

ここに「愛しない」「愛さない」も、書いてあるね

Anonymous

According to Wiktionary, 愛しない isn't okay anymore

Anonymous

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%84%9B%E3%81%99%E3%82%8B

Anonymous

"The negative form *愛しない and the imperative form *愛しろ are not used; instead, 愛さない and 愛せ (from the verb 愛す) are used."

「し→さ」に、変わってる感じかな

発しない→発さない　に、変わってきてる？

Anonymous

恋しない・・・　×恋さない

5:16 PM

(「発しない」なんて言って、年寄りに見えた！しまった！！)

@snailplane Nice link, thanks. I considered the disambiguation theory but it didn't really jive with me. I like his explanation more.

愛さない is okay but 恋さない is no good? Ewww

Anonymous

I like istrasci's comment.

Anonymous

アイスを愛す!!!!!!!!! — istrasci 3 hours ago

I scream when I eat アイスクリーム！

Anonymous

5:29 PM

Hehe!

Anonymous

6:11 PM

ファヒータを作っている！

Anonymous

にんにくと玉ねぎをみじん切りにした

Anonymous

次は、唐辛子

Anonymous

ハバネロ〜

Anonymous

7:12 PM

できた＾＾

辛い？

(×つらい　〇からい)

Anonymous

ええ、からい＾＾

^^

Fajita?

おおお

I often see "Fajita" at supermarkets here and

I always read it as ファジタ

I first thought it was 藤田 or 富士田

(Fujitaに見えた)

Anonymous

Ah! I think it's from Spanish, where j is pronounced more like h

Anonymous

Around here, a lot of names have the Spanish j.

Anonymous

7:27 PM

San Jose = San Ho-zay

Yeah I should have noticed. Like ホセ

ホゼ？

Anonymous

The first time I ever chatted with Japanese people, I said I was from サンノゼ

Anonymous

And they responded "sun nose"

Anonymous

太陽の鼻〜

Ah~

Anonymous

7:28 PM

I wonder why that word became ノ instead of ホ

Anonymous

サンノゼ（）は、アメリカ西海岸、カリフォルニア州北部、サンフランシスコ湾南岸の都市。IT企業が多く集まるシリコンバレーの中心的都市である。はスペイン語で「聖ヨセフ」を意味する。スペイン語本来の発音は「サンホセ」に近いが、英語での発音は転訛して (サノゼー), (サノーゼー), (サンホーゼー) となり、アメリカ英語では (サンホーゼー)。サンノゼ市の発行する日本語のパンフレットには「サンホセ」と表記されている。人口は約100万6892人（2009年)で、サンフランシスコ・ベイエリアで1位、州内で3位である。半導体・コンピュータ関連の産業が集積するシリコン・バレーの中心都市で、他の大都市に比べて比較的所得水準が高いことから、米国の人口25万人以上の都市を対象とした全米安全度調査の第1位である。歴史 1777年にスペイン軍の軍事補給基地として集落を創設。カリフォルニア州の最初の州都となり、発展した。1864年のサンフランシスコ鉄道開通後は肥沃な農業地帯から産出される果樹、野菜の集散地として発展した。その後は乾燥フルーツ、果物缶詰加工工業で知られるようになる。 20世紀になってからサンフランシスコ都市圏の拡大により、人口が急増。1970年代に人口45万人を突破した。1970年代後半からはシリコンバレーの中心地となり、20世紀末からのアメリカ...

Anonymous

In English I say /ho/ not /no/... but it became ノゼ anyway

不思議だ

Anonymous

Hmm...

Anonymous

Maybe I do say /no/.

Anonymous

7:30 PM

It's hard to tell! :-)

能勢(のせ)さん is one of Japanese common family names

Anonymous

Oh really?

Nose

Anonymous

I'm very bad at Japanese name kanji

Anonymous

Because I haven't seen enough names ^^;

Anonymous

7:31 PM

能勢

English teachers read it as "nose", 鼻

Anonymous

Oh no! :-)

"Miss Nose."

「ノセ」です！・・・みたいな

Anonymous

I think English speakers pronounce the J wrong a lot. Or at least, not like Spanish

Anonymous

So in the name Juan, the J sounds like H.. Huan ホワーン

Anonymous

7:36 PM

But we don't say H, we just say W ワーン

Anonymous

Wikipedia says Juan = フアン

Anonymous

I just say ワーン

Anonymous

Hehee

San Jose は、「聖ヨセフ」なんだ　じゃ、Saint Joseph とか？

Anonymous

Umm... I suppose? :-)

7:46 PM

Jacobの息子で、Maryの夫（らしい）

日本語で言うと・・・ヤコブの息子で、マリア様の夫？

Anonymous

Jacobs is my family name

Anonymous

It used to be pronounced Yakob

おおおお

Anonymous

ヤコブ　＞＞　ジェーコブ（ス）

Anonymous

と思う

7:47 PM

Yeees

@snailplane - any chance you could help me out again with a translation? I checked this one on alc.co.jp first but haven't been able to find anything. Trying to translate "outstanding warrant".

Anonymous

@Peter I can try! I'm just learning :-)

That makes two of us. I've been finding tons of great translations on alc.co.jp, it's been a great help :)

Everytime I try to find a translation for outstanding warrant there either isn't one at all or it translates outstanding as "exceptional" rather then "late/overdue"

Anonymous

If you ask the chat in general, instead of me specifically, other people might answer too

Anonymous

I think I should know warrant... from the book I'm reading... it's in my notes

7:49 PM

Any chance you could help me out again with a translation? I checked this one on alc.co.jp first but haven't been able to find anything. Trying to translate "outstanding warrant".

Warrant has been easy to find

令状

or ワラント

Anonymous

Outstanding in my Kenkyusha dictionary is 未解決の

Anonymous

So maybe 未解決の令状

Anonymous

Hmm.. Not very many Google results

That's how I check my translations too :)

Though 34k hits isn't bad

Anonymous

It's not really 34k, though

Anonymous

7:52 PM

Scroll down--there's only two pages of results

What's up with that...

Anonymous

The numbers at the top are only estimates, and can be off by orders of magnitude

Anonymous

They aren't intended to be actual counts

figures

Anonymous

(Google has never put in the time to make them actual result #s rather than estimates, because they figure it's not important to 99.9% of searchers)

Anonymous

7:53 PM

So, another resource you might want to check is Weblio's EJJE

Anonymous

Here are some examples ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%E4%BB%A4%E7%8A%B6 <-- but I don't know if they contain outstanding

I think I've tried that one, I'll double check.

Have you tried looking for "overdue" instead

I guess that's not really the same...

I guess I'm assuming that the term does exist in Japanese.

tangorin.com/examples/outstanding%20warrent

very last sentence?

Anonymous

7:55 PM

And another thing you can do: google.com/…

Anonymous

To see if it shows up in parallel text anywhere

払いが遅れている

or

未払いになる

Anonymous

In that example, 支払い is one word

「払いが遅れたから令状を発した」の意味

Anonymous

Can you use 払う to describe a 令状?

Anonymous

7:57 PM

未払い sounds good

Probably not, they don't have to be connected.

It probably isn't even that likely that money will be connected to an outstanding warrant...

I've got to head out for a bit, I'll be back later. 「未解決の令状」 sounds promising though.

Anonymous

Yeah I guess 未払い would be more for outstanding debts

Anonymous

@Peter That's my best guess for now! :-)

yeah

Anonymous

Or maybe 未執行の令状

8:07 PM

「督促状」みたいなもの？

法的なもの？

「執行令状」じゃないよね？

そうですね

It has nothing to do with「差し押さえ」, does it

礼状って、裁判所が出す？

It's an...order? written by a judge or...maybe the District Attorney, I'm not sure, that, when a person has one, they're to be arrested and brought to jail for a hearing

Anonymous

I think outstanding warrant usually means outstanding arrest warrant ... （？？）の逮捕令状

That's what I thought he meant

8:12 PM

search warrantは、「捜索令状」らしい

warrantには「召喚状」もある

Anonymous

Oh, like the English "a summons"

Anonymous

Now I'm watching kittens again: new.livestream.com/FosterKittenCam/TheCosmoFosters

outstanding arrest warrantなら、wikiにもありますね
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_warrant

ここを読んでみたけど、legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Outstanding+Warrant

日本語で何て言う物なのか・・・

Anonymous

8:49 PM

「次は直接ぶんなぐってってやる！」　　←　ってって

The first って is from （ぶん）殴って
The second って is from 言って?

Anonymous

行って

Anonymous

「次は　直接　ぶんなぐって　いって（行って）　やる！」

Anonymous

Sometimes it takes me a while to figure it out :-)

9:02 PM

ってって>>ああ、それで、思い出した、「用いて用いた」って

Anonymous

Hehe, 用いて用いた confused me, too!

Anonymous

I'm happy I understand the しい suffix now.

Anonymous

騒ぐ　→　騒がしい

Anonymous

It's easier for me to understand when I can see how the pieces fit together

Anonymous

I saw いためつける and I thought "Oh, it's いたい　→　いためる　→　いため　＋　つく　→　つける"

Anonymous

9:09 PM

Because I learned about 〜い　→　〜める／〜まる

複合動詞(compound verb)っていう物かな

Anonymous

複合動詞！

（「補助動詞」「複合動詞」・・どっちか分からなくなる）

Anonymous

I think it might be 複合 because it has its own dictionary entry

Anonymous

dic.yahoo.co.jp/…

Anonymous

9:11 PM

I'm not always quite sure of the difference between the two.

見つけた「日本語以外でも日本語の長音に当たる表記を波ダッシュを用いて用いる。」

Anonymous

I wonder why 落ち着く means "calm down"

落ちて、着く？

Anonymous

@Chocolate Oh, that's the sentence!

Anonymous

We decided it had an embedded clause

Anonymous

9:12 PM

・・・表記を　　　（波ダッシュを用いて）　　　用いる。

わかった・・・・

けど・・・分かりにくい！ｗｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Is that sentence proper Japanese?

う～ん・・・

多分、そうだね・・・

Anonymous

When I read it, I got confused because there were two をs and two 用いるs

「日本語以外でも、日本語の長音に当たる音を、波ダッシュを用いて表す。」でいいんじゃないかと・・・

Anonymous

9:20 PM

Ah! I think I can understand that more easily!

「波ダッシュを使って、〇〇に当たる表記を用いる。」って、意味がおかしいよね

Anonymous

表記を用いる

Anonymous

Umm

「波ダッシュ」＝「(日本語以外での、)〇〇に当たる表記」だもん

「Aを使って、Aを用いる」って感じ。

「Aを使って、〇〇を表記する」「波ダッシュを使って、長音を表記する」じゃないと・・・

ま、

いいやん

もう、意味は分かったし～

♫～

Anonymous

〜♪

Anonymous

9:28 PM

Hehe, I made it backwards.

Anonymous

♪〜

♬もうないなあ

Anonymous

If I type おんぷ I only get ♪

３つあったよ

「かおもじ」って打つと、いろいろでてくるけど

音符は少ない。

Anonymous

I added them　♫〜　♬

9:30 PM

さすがっ

(゜o゜)

♪

how do you add?

Anonymous

On my computer, you hit F11 and it pops up a box.

Anonymous

It might be different on yours

Anonymous

I don't know what OS and such you're using.

オンプ

argh, um, windows 7

9:33 PM

Σ(°д°;) ← I like this face

Anonymous

www19.atpages.jp/tenjo/win7jisyo

Anonymous

I guess there's a 「Microsoft IME 辞書ツール」

Oh yes ツール.

Anonymous

単語・用例登録

(｡◕‿◕｡) かわいい

Anonymous

9:37 PM

Hehe aww I like that one!

Anonymous

I don't know how to type д or ‿ or ◕

Anonymous

I can type ど　＝　°

私も～

д ←これ、何だろうねえ

Anonymous

は、キリル文字のひとつ。ギリシャ文字のΔ(デルタ)に由来し、ラテン文字のDに相当する。また、筆記体は、ラテン文字のDやgのようである。由来ギリシア文字の（デルタ）に由来する。ベータは古ギリシア語でと発音され、新ギリシア語でと発音された。ベータはフェニキア語の（ダレト）に起源を持つ。呼称 * ウクライナ語：デー * キルギス語：デー * ブルガリア語：ドゥ * ロシア語：デー音素原則としてを表す。アルファベット上の位置 * ウクライナ語の第6字母 * セルビア語、ブルガリア語、ベラルーシ語、マケドニア語、ロシア語の第5字母符号位置 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" !大文字!!Unicode!!JIS X 0213!!文字参照!!小文字!!Unicode!!JIS X 0213!!文字参照!!備考 |} 関連事項 *顔文字#日本型の顔文字参考文献 * （O・ポノマリーウ編『現代ウクライナ語』第2版、キエフ、2001）

ひええ　キリル・・・？

Anonymous

9:41 PM

でー　＝　Д or д

Anonymous

дДдД

Д　あ！でた

д

Anonymous

でーた〜

Anonymous

There's no Wikipedia page for ◕

ಠ益ಠ　こわい

Anonymous

9:44 PM

And Google ignores it: google.com/…

Anonymous

δ益δ

Anonymous

Hehe, I messed it up.

Anonymous

ಠ

◕は、「まる」でも、ダメねえ

Anonymous

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ　ﾐ ┸┸　　　ちゃぶ台返し

9:47 PM

こわっwww

Anonymous

fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/25d5/index.htm

Anonymous

How to type in Microsoft Windows Alt +25D5

ああ～そうか～

もう、文字では入ってないねえ

Anonymous

I always copy + paste characters like that

Anonymous

instead of typing them

Anonymous

9:50 PM

q.hatena.ne.jp/1307875908

Anonymous

It says あえて日本語にするなら「上左四半以外黒塗円」でしょうか。いや、「左上四半抜き黒丸」か。

むり～ww

あえて日本語ww

Anonymous

せっし becomes ℃ ℃＿℃；

Anonymous

That didn't make a very good face...

Anonymous

（℃‿℃；

Anonymous

10:00 PM

fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/203f/index.htm

Anonymous

Undertie!

Anonymous

smile fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2323/index.htm

Anonymous

^⌣^

Anonymous

（^⌣^）

இ

ൠ

文字じゃないね、多分

Anonymous

10:07 PM

இ??

Anonymous

ൠൠൠൠ

Anonymous

罒＿罒；

(☣_☣)

Anonymous

Oh wow, I like ☣

(☣⌣☣)

眠そうな顔

(☣▽☣)

Anonymous

10:11 PM

Δ　◇　▽　△

Anonymous

^△^

Anonymous

^▽^

Anonymous

^Д^

ლ　←　手

♛

Anonymous

ლ　(ಠ益ಠ)　ლ

Anonymous

10:15 PM

♛　←　小さい「省」？

Anonymous

見えない！　へへ

Anonymous

Ooh, I made my font bigger.

Anonymous

冠か

ൠ

カワイイ

ʅ(~_~)ʃ

Anonymous

10:18 PM

人の絵

。　　◯
。　＼｜／
。　　｜
。　／　＼

(☄◣∀◢)☄

Anonymous

Oh no!!

ww

Anonymous

(｡￫v￩｡)

Anonymous

ミ◕ฺ　ｖ　◕ฺ彡

10:24 PM

ൠ これ、使えないかな～

ʅ（‾◡◝）ʃ この手、アホっぽくて好きやわ～

ʅ(◔౪◔ ) ʃ

Anonymous

Hehe! I like those two

ʅ(~_~)ʃ 　←　これ、なんか、腹立つ～ww

FBで使ってみよう・・・

Anonymous

I wonder why 腹立つ means 怒る

アカン、コピペできひん

Anonymous

Listening practice is hard.

Anonymous

10:34 PM

I decided to try to transcribe that レッサーパンダ video

Anonymous

I'm writing it down, but what I'm writing down doesn't make sense ^-^;

腹立つ>>bellyがstand up?

Anonymous

Sticking out your stomach when you're angry...?

Anonymous

怒るときの仕草?

お腹が・・・突き出す？

Anonymous

10:45 PM

detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q112977411

Anonymous

I'm hearing およそろ but it doesn't seem like that's a word...

およそ、６００年・・・

じゃないよね

（絶対違う）

Anonymous

空耳の「およそろ　百五十頭」は、多分「およそ六百五十頭」

おっ

なんと

Anonymous

I think I've almost got it!

10:56 PM

‎('-') (/'-')/('-') (/'-')/　はいたっち

Anonymous

世界中の動物園で飼育されているレッサーパンダの数は、およそ六百五十頭、
その内、なんと二百五十頭が、日本の動物園で飼育されています。

(左斜め線が出ない！)

Anonymous

﹨ ﹨

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