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12:11 AM
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A: What are the consideration when choosing either newcommand or newenvironment?

David CarlisleTechnical reasons for choosing an environment over a command form are that if the definition only involves setting up declarations then it never has to scan the content in advance, so list environments or longtable etc can start typesetting and shipping out pages before the end of the environment...

 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah saw that one, but the one I was thinking of was about newcommand* and \newcommand. I think it is time to post my question without that reference...
Oh, BTW this is one even you could answer (not a tikz one) :-)
 
@PeterGrill did you like my last tikz answer? (that plane)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, though about posting a comment when I saw it to ask if they had airports near where you lived. Since you knew more about tree colors so must live in a forest, I thought perhaps you hadn't yet seen a real airplane. :-)
 
@PeterGrill that's cruel, I thought it quite lifelike
 
Well, it would go well with my tree color choices. :-)
 
12:22 AM
@PeterGrill I think I don't ask such a question. :-)
 
@ClickMe Ok, I couldn't find it... So perhaps it was someone else..
 
@PeterGrill Are you looking for this tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1050/… ?
 
@ClickMe Thanks. Had forgotten about that one, but its not the one I am looking for. Andrew's question clearly answers what \newcomamnd* is for, but the one I was looking for was about just using \newcomand all the time (I think) so not having to worry about the \par issue. Anyway, I thought that would a good reference for my recent question, but decided to post it without that link.
 
@PeterGrill I put some kind of answer but I'm not sure it really answers your question
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I really should have switch to key-value a long time ago...
 
 
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6:54 AM
@egreg Yes: I'd say that in general anything about a clearly 'pre-test' piece of code where the development is truly active is NARQ for the reasons that have been raised before on meta. I'll close.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:10 AM
@JosephWright: I am on a Mac and I get:
marco@imac:~$kpsewhich --var-value TEXMFMAIN
/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist
 
@MarcoDaniel Last time I checked, MacTeX2013 was not available!
Must check the pretest locations ;-)
palladium:~ joseph$ kpsewhich --var-value TEXMFMAIN
/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf
 
@JosephWright I installed the pretest version 4 days ago ;-)
@JosephWright You need an other element like helium. Palladium has a negative influence on your system ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Where from? Still says 18th of April on the mirror I checked
 
@MarcoDaniel Ah right: will grab
 
8:48 AM
@MarcoDaniel My own laptop is always called palladium
@MarcoDaniel First got a laptop while writing up my PhD, which is mainly about palladium chemistry
 
@JosephWright oh nostalgic ;-) -- I will name may computer inverse problems ;-)
 
9:03 AM
Installing MacTeX 2013 :-)
 
9:33 AM
@JosephWright Great
Does anyone have experiences with Office 365?
 
10:16 AM
@MarcoDaniel Nope, but I have the feeling this app doesn't support leap years. :)
 
10:28 AM
@PauloCereda My wife needs Office and I am thinking about Office365.
 
@MarcoDaniel Is it online?
 
10:48 AM
@PauloCereda If I understand it correct, you will have an offline version (local installation) too.
 
@MarcoDaniel There are various licensing issues with the latest Office. Feeling seems to be to stick with the older one!
 
@MarcoDaniel I'm not sure. :(
 
@JosephWright This is my feeling too. But the offer sounds great: Installation on 5 computers (Mac or Windows).
 
@MarcoDaniel It's a trap? :)
 
@MarcoDaniel For one year
@MarcoDaniel The 'stand alone' license is no longer transferable between machines if you replace them. Not sure about the 365 one.
 
10:53 AM
@PauloCereda Of course. If you have an imac or a macbook you need an iphone. Then you need an ipad. Of course to round up the list you need a time capsule ;-) -- Everything is a trap ;-)
@JosephWright I think your are right.
 
@MarcoDaniel It was in the PC mag I read
@MarcoDaniel Have a Mac, don't have an iPhone ;-)
 
@JosephWright Not yet ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Do have a time capsule, but next time will buy a normal external HD, which work just as well
@MarcoDaniel Have just had to buy a new phone as screen went on old one: Nokia C2-01 :-)
 
@JosephWright Unfortunately the time capsule doesn't support ftp.
@JosephWright very old ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel No, brand new :-)
 
10:56 AM
@JosephWright Nokia and new?
 
@MarcoDaniel No, but then no-one should be using FTP unless they are running a proper server.
@MarcoDaniel Not a new model, but certainly a new phone
@MarcoDaniel They still sell a lot
 
@MarcoDaniel In TeX Live 2013 the distinction between TEXMFMAIN and TEXMFDIST has been dropped; the former is the same as the latter for back compatibility. This is why I edited your answer.
 
@JosephWright Does this one support wireless lan?
@egreg Thanks. I was really confused about the comment of Joseph
 
@MarcoDaniel You shouldn't be using a pretest version when answering questions. ;-)
 
11:00 AM
@egreg Indeed ;-)
 
@egreg I always check with a stable version
 
Saw this on 9gag:
 (•_•)
<)   )¬   all the single ladies
 /   \

 (•_•)
L(   (> all the single ladies
 /   \

 (•_•)
<)   )¬   oh oh oh
 /   \
 
@egreg To be fair, if the issue isn't engine-related the pretest makes little odds
 
@JosephWright The pretest has now babel 3.9 and other new goodies; results can be different.
 
@egreg Most real MWEs don't use babel ;-)
@egreg I have to watch things anyway as I have the dev versions of expl3 (etc.) and beamer in my local tree
 
11:49 AM
@egreg: you was really a little bit too fast.
 
kan
12:43 PM
Hello!!
I am trying to setup TeXlive for my brother's machine... It is a ... Windows Machine...
Could someone please tell me how to resolve this problem: Perl.exe not working, when I try to run the install-tl (batch file...)
 
@kan Use the advanced version
@kan This is a 'known issue'
 
kan
@JosephWright Ouch! OK! I'll download that one. Thanks.
I might ask for more help if I get stuck somewhere...
 
@kan You should have it: it's part of the zip file
 
kan
@JosephWright Hm... I think I am missing something:
install-tl/install-tl-20130407/
Oh, wait!
Just found!
Thanks for the hint!
 
@JosephWright Do you know much about .bst file hacking?
 
12:57 PM
@AlanMunn Yes
 
So I'm trying to help someone who has made a custom bib file using custom bib and now needs to modify it to use the jabbrv package which does abbreviations of names. There's a function in the bst file bibinfo.check which unless I comment out the call to it I get a bunch of "the literal stack isn't empty " errors. (I know this is a bit cryptic.) The function is:
FUNCTION {bibinfo.check}
{ swap$
  duplicate$ missing$
    {
      pop$ pop$
      ""
    }
    { duplicate$ empty$
        {
          swap$ pop$
        }
        { swap$
          pop$
        }
      if$
    }
  if$
}
The way the jabrrv style works is that you replace the journal "journal" output.check line in the bst with a call to its own function:
FUNCTION {format.journal}
{
  "{\em\JournalTitle{" journal * "}}" *
}
 
@AlanMunn That means you have to have a journal, so used something like
 
My problem is that the custom-bib created bibfile calls `journal "journal" bibinfo.check before the changed line and that gives the stack errors.
 
journal empty$
  'skip$
  {
    "{\em\JournalTitle{" journal * "}}" *
    output
  }
if$
@AlanMunn You don't want bibinfo.check if you are forcing the item to be there
The bibinfo.check function is the one that produces 'Warning --- missing <thing>'
(Note: code above untested)
 
I don't want to force the item to be there. I just want to replace the function that formats the journal name. So in principle I should leave the bibinfo.check in place.
 
1:08 PM
(Note: code above untested)
@AlanMunn That's what my suggested code does
Or rather it does now I've edited it to include the if$
 
Ok. Let me see if that works. (I caught the missing if$ ) :)
 
@AlanMunn The scheme is simple: place journal on the stack, do a test for it being empty and branch
You often see this done using <field> duplicate$ empty$, which leaves a copy or empty item on the stack
Would be more like
journal duplicate$ empty$
  'pop$
  {
    "{\em\JournalTitle{" swap$ * "}}" *
    output
  }
if$
 
Thanks a lot. That worked perfectly.
@JosephWright One more question. The custom-bib generated file uses a function emphasize, which uses \emph. How would I use that function instead of \em ?
 
1:28 PM
@AlanMunn May depend on definition of \JournalTitle, but I'd try
journal duplicate$ empty$
  'pop$
  {
    "\JournalTitle{" swap$ * "}" *
    emphasize
    output
  }
if$
 
@JosephWright Perfect. That seems to work fine. Thanks a million. I'll give you due credit in the answer.
 
1:54 PM
Dropbox users: if someone shares a link to a file and you change its name in your Dropbox does s/he still have access to the file?
 
@AlanMunn Good question. We can try. :)
 
@PauloCereda I just sent you a link.
 
hi guys
 
@AlanMunn I don't have permissions to change the name. :)
@Rico Hello! :) Long time no see.
 
@PauloCereda true, university kept me busy =(
 
2:06 PM
@PauloCereda That's odd. I thought I just did that with someone else's link. Maybe what I did was download the file rather than just link to it.
 
interesting texlive installation is begging me to turn of my anti virus program oO
 
@AlanMunn: Now I'm sure: if you rename the file which is shared via link, the link is automatically removed from the file, you'll need to create a new one (so shared links don't support file renaming).
 
2:22 PM
@PauloCereda That makes sense. Anyway I've used my own web space for the file in question. Then I don't fill up my dropbox with crap. THanks for the test.
 
@AlanMunn My pleasure. :)
 
@Rico You have to learn better how to procrastinate.
 
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 180 vs. 200 David. So far, David is winning.
 
kan
@egreg I'll learn that tomorrow ;-)
 
@egreg you mean by visiting the chat?
 
2:35 PM
@Rico That's a good way.
@kan Learning how to procrastinate must be done as soon as possible. It's the only exception. Think to it as the base step in a proof by induction.
 
kan
@egreg Ooh! Wise words! :)
 
@PauloCereda Quiet day.
 
@egreg Indeed. :) We need more noise around here.
 
@PauloCereda Maybe David is now watching the cricket test match, so I can harvest some rep.
 
kan
On a more serious note, I must be travelling in an hour from now, I am hoping I can show my brother some examples in LaTeX!
 
2:39 PM
@egreg Maybe David is having fun with his zen garden. :)
 
kan
TL is still downloading!
 
@egreg actually I tried attending to an "LaTeX Stammtisch" here in Bielefeld, but missed it
 
For emacs fans, @cgnieder wrote a nice blog post: mychemistry.eu/2013/05/how-i-fell-in-love-with-emacs
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Liferea FTW. :)
BSD fans? NetBSD 6.1 is released! :)
 
@PauloCereda it amazes my how many people still use emacs :D its liken OS in your editor
 
@egreg I thought I would learn to procrastinate, but then I put it off until later.
 
2:50 PM
@Rico I wonder if it would make sense for us all to have a Stammtisch (or internationalised meetup version) chat room, to announce which meetups and say who is going? There is a Berlin Tex Stammtisch that I've known about for 5 years, and I've never been because I didn't know who would be going.
 
 
@PauloCereda This is so wrong. We just see the stick.
 
@AlanMunn LOL
 
@CharlesStewart I actually don't know whos going there I just want to attend one to check it out ;)
 
2:53 PM
@Rico Do you know anyone else in Bielefeld who has an account here?
 
For the longest time (before I moved to my new office) I had the following on my door (it's from when the first iMacs came out): I think the number of people who actually understood the joke was very small.

david lynch <dfly...@louisville.edu> writes:
> Hi, I am wanting a new computer and I am liking the Macintosh because they
> seem to be pretty easy to use and they come in all those neat colors.
> I've heard a lot about the "imac" and that sounds like a good thing.
> However lately I've been hearing a lot about these things called "emacs"
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@AlanMunn LOL
 
kan
@AlanMunn LOL!
Later then! Heading to the Railway Station!
Bye!
 
3:13 PM
@PauloCereda So you're following my blog? :)
 
@CharlesStewart sadly not but i would like getting to know some tex enthusiasts in my town even if it will show me how much I don't know ;)
 
@Rico For months I wanted to go to the Stuttgarter Stammtisch but for various reasons I never made it. If I knew someone from here is going, too, maybe I finally would mark the date in my calendar...
 
!!/battle
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 200 vs. 200 David. So far, nobody is winning today.
 
@PauloCereda See? Just wait some minutes. :)
There should be a canonical duplicate for this one:
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Q: Desciption environment doesn't like ] in item

Henri MenkeConsider the following MWE \documentclass{standalone} \begin{document} \begin{description} \item[$[1]$] Some item \end{description} \end{document} Notice especially the \item[$[1]$]. When I am now compiling using pdflatex I get the error message ! LaTeX Error: Something's wrong--perhaps a...

 
3:31 PM
@cgnieder I am. :)
@egreg :)
 
@egreg there's this one
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Q: ] inside an optional argument

Lover of StructureI accidentally discovered (here) that a closing square bracket within an optional argument delimited by [ ] can cause problems. Here is example code illustrating the issue: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \tableofcontents \section[Square brackets ([ and ])]{Square brackets: [ and ]...

 
@cgnieder Thanks, I found it; and barbara too. :)
!!/cricket
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- England 232/10 &  213/10  v New Zealand 68/10 &  207/10 *
- Scotland v Pakistan
- Pune Warriors 172/5  v Delhi Daredevils 134/9 *
- Hampshire v Durham 182/6 *
- Lancashire 176/9 * v Surrey
- Glamorgan v Gloucestershire 284/5 *
- Somerset v Middlesex 252/9 *
- Unicorns 189/9 * v Yorkshire
- Sunrisers Hyderabad v Kolkata Knight Riders 74/3 *

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.
 
Go Unicorns!
 
@egreg Yay! :)
 
3:48 PM
@PauloCereda I just found this: dangermouse.net/cricket/scoring.html It's a really clear explanation of the scoring system (in case @DavidCarlisle gets tired of explaining). I like the part "Extra Detail: Who's Winning? This is a highly non-trivial question for cricket. "
 
@cgnieder Even if its bad, at least I even tried it ;)
 
@AlanMunn Oh my.
 
@CharlesStewart I attended once, but it is always on the same date as another (business) meeting, so I never had a higher priority to go there. But it will be on wednesday soon (I believe) and perhaps we could both agree on a date and go there...
 
!!/battle
 
@ClickMe Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 200 vs. 200 David. So far, nobody is winning today.
 
4:05 PM
@AlanMunn Clear? ;-) Well, nothing regarding cricket can really be clear.
 
@egreg Oh well. I found it clear, but then I've played cricket, so I probably don't count as a good judge.
 
@AlanMunn I've played backyard cricket (aka bétis or taco) when I was a kid, but the rules were way easier. :)
 
4:20 PM
what you only have 200 points each ? that is kind of unimpressing :D
 
Who the hell gave 12 points to Romania?
 
@Rico There is no logic to Eurovision voting: could be anyone!
 
@Joseph just like in stack exchange ? :D
 
@DominicMichaelis :-)
 
@DominicMichaelis It would be strange not to be rep capped. :)
 
4:30 PM
@egreg did you know that i am the fastest guy reaching 10 k on math stack exchange ?
 
@DominicMichaelis That's a very different environment, so this is a big achievement. I'm happy to have been the first 100K on TeX.sx. ;-) And, I'm quite confident, also 200K. :)
 
@egreg not the first but the fastest one
 
@egreg Looks like it. Then again, I got to 10k first :-)
 
@egreg and I have close registration dates. :)
 
@DominicMichaelis I joined TeX.sx more than a year after its creation. Some people were already at 40K, IIRC. So I was the first and the fastest in reaching 100K. :) Well, @DavidCarlisle could claim he's been faster, but he registered many months before me. :P
 
4:38 PM
If I recall correctly, Papiro mentioned somewhere in Meta that s/he had ~20 consecutive days here in TeX.sx. Meanwhile, my profile accuses 757. :) But I think no one beats @JosephWright. :)
 
@DominicMichaelis The difference between the sites can be seen by the Legendary badges: they are 8 for Math.SE and 7 for TeX.sx. We have a narrower user base, but people votes more.
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@PauloCereda I'm at 788.
 
@egreg ooh! :) But I think @JosephWright holds the record so far. :)
 
@PauloCereda I've been every day: I was on a mobile for a few days on holiday (camping), and it was before the mobile site and kept logging me out
System claims 979 days
 
4:41 PM
@JosephWright OMG
 
Now that I've "upgraded" to Mountain Lion, I've discovered that Apple has removed RSS feed capability from Mail, and Google Reader is disappearing. Does anyone have suggestions for an RSS feed reader for the Mac?
 
@AlanMunn I'm using Feedly now Reader is on the way out
 
@AlanMunn Vienna is pretty good. :)
@AlanMunn: vienna-rss.org
 
... "32 consecutive" - not that enthusiastic, I guess :)
 
@PauloCereda @JosephWright Thanks, I'll check them out.
 
4:54 PM
@AlanMunn I'd like to have a reader which can be used from my MacBook and iPad...
 
@dıʞsdoʇ Feedly seems to do that, although I haven't got there yet.
Now that I'm also iPhoned I'm starting to appreciate having everything connected.
 
@AlanMunn thanks, I'll have a look!
 
 
3 hours later…
7:36 PM
\begin{document}
\selectlanguage{greek}
\NewPart{Personal details}{}
\end{document}

When I run the tex-file "Personal details" are written in English instead of Greek despite the fact that I have already changed the language.
Because it's babel not babelfish. :)
 
@JosephWright ah I see you just need to be the big scary neighbor to get as may points as possible from the countries around you
 
8:12 PM
@DominicMichaelis I'm finding certain people in Math.SE really unbearable. A hint consisting of a complete solution is not a hint, in my book.
 
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 215 vs. 200 David. So far, egreg is winning.
ooh!
 
!!/fortune
 
@dıʞsdoʇ Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Confucius say: if you think we are going to sum up your whole life on this little bit of paper, you are crazy.
 
!!/cricket
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- England 232/10 &  213/10  v New Zealand 68/10 &  207/10 *
- Scotland v Pakistan
- Hampshire 242/5 * v Durham 241/8
- Lancashire 176/9  v Surrey 169/10 *
- Glamorgan 281/6 * v Gloucestershire 288/5
- Somerset 257/4 * v Middlesex 252/9
- Unicorns 189/9  v Yorkshire 191/5 *
- Rest of Sri Lanka v Sri Lanka Cricket Combined XI

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.
 
8:22 PM
England beat the crap out of NZ.
And Goucestershire beat Glamorgan.
If I cared about cricket scores I'd be happy.
 
Go Unicorns!
 
Sorry, but the Unicorns lost.
 
@AlanMunn I believe the match is still going on, isn't it?
:9505415 Oh. :(
 
@PauloCereda Actually, might be
 
@JosephWright I don't think so.
 
8:32 PM
!!/eightball Is the match going on?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: I sense conflict.
 
8:59 PM
Just out of interest, how do those of you that have been on here for some time avoid the 'let me google that for you' response?
 
@LostBrit Posting it or receiving it?
 
Posting it! I think I know how to ask good questions (or rather, I've seen enough bad ones to know how not to ask a question), but it seems that there are waaay too many people that don't do very much of their own work before just giving up and posting a question on tex.se.
 
@LostBrit I don't know if it counts but you can find many comments pointing to the manuals of the corresponding packages.
@LostBrit But if you point to manuals or google too much then we would have very high unanswered questoin number. Instead posting a basic answer or finding a duplicate turned out to be more efficient for housekeeping.
 
@percusse that makes sense. Finding duplicates is a good approach - keeps the numbers of answers down and makes it a better source of information.
 
9:15 PM
@LostBrit One thing that all StackExchange sites try to achieve is to be self-contained, so even if googling things will get you an answer, if there's not already an equivalent question on the site, people will be happy to answer here. And those of us who have been here a while are pretty good at either remembering duplicates or searching for them, and then post comments to point to the duplicate, which is much kinder than LMGTFY. :)
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@percusse manuals aren't the issue. It's the "I'm looking for an online tool to do x.." questions where the OP hasn't done any basic research of their own. Is the feeling that tex.se should be the first or last stop on a search?
 
@LostBrit I think the goal for the SE people themselves is first and last stop.
3
 
@AlanMunn thanks. Now I get it. I think...!
 
@LostBrit One of huge advantages of the SE model is that answers can be updated. One of the problems with random information on the web is that it's often outdated but persistent.
 
@AlanMunn That's another good point. But, is there any way though to mark an old answer as possibly out of date? Seems the upvotes and accept as answer approach don't really allow the community to do that.
 
9:24 PM
@LostBrit No, but if someone comes across something that no longer works they can leave a comment (which will notify the person who posted the answer) or simply edit the answer itself. Etiquette prefers the former, but if the original answerer has disappeared, the system allows the latter without any problem.
And the accepted answer isn't necessarily the right one (although it often is), but the most up-voted one usually is (and obviously they often coincide). And you can always leave comments (and we do.)
 
@LostBrit There's always the mod-hammer for serious issues
 
@JosephWright Sounds helpful - is that the 'flag for moderator attention' button?
 
@LostBrit Yes, or simply raised here (mods are me, StefanKottwitz and MartinScharrer)
 
9:40 PM
@JosephWright I'll remember that. You 3 do a great job of keeping this site relevant. Thanks!
 
@LostBrit: and by the way, a warm welcome to our chatroom! :)
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Never forget a friend. Especially if he owes you.
 
@PauloCereda thanks! I was digging through the site for some answers (surprise) and thought I'd see what was going on. I do feel rather like a fresher that just ended up in the Prof's lounge, though... :0
 
10:05 PM
@LostBrit Don't worry. The only way for not having questions closed as duplicate is not making questions. That's why I never ask questions on the site. ;-)
 
@egreg :)
 
!!/fortune
 
Oh.
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: There is no fortune, you've just eaten the paper.
Done, I reloaded it. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-)
!!/fortune
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Use emacs.
 
10:10 PM
@PauloCereda Nooo!
 
Uh-oh.
 
Psmith's stopped being my friend.
!!/fortune
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Help! I am being held prisoner in a Chinese bakery!
Where's @David? :)
 
@PauloCereda I think some more entries need adding to Psmith's config :-)
!!/fortune
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Upvote egreg's answers.
@NicolaTalbot Agreed. :) I'll think of some more. :)
 
10:12 PM
@PauloCereda Like "use vim" if it's not already there ;-)
!!/fortune
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: An alien of some sort will be appearing to you shortly.
 
@PauloCereda Ooh!
 
@NicolaTalbot Indeed. :)
@NicolaTalbot It could be an alien duck. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yay! The little alien duck from the planet Zxwrywet, has lost an item of outdoor apparel and is chasing after it across the galaxy.
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh a sequel! :)
@NicolaTalbot: soundtrack for the hat chase: youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
 
10:15 PM
@PauloCereda LOL :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot The galaxy, of course, is called Ööç
 
@egreg ooh I know where it's from! Ask me, ask me! :)
 
@egreg Yay, and they all end up eating frozen moon juice.
 
It's probably the only thing I remember from the TeXbook. :P
 
@PauloCereda Ooh, where is it?
@PauloCereda Oh, that's why it sounded familiar!
 
10:16 PM
@NicolaTalbot tex story (or pdftex story if you want to be modern).
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@NicolaTalbot That's all I can remember from the TeXbook. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Remember to add \bye when the * appears.
 
@egreg Done :-)
 
Has anybody here worked with Citavi and BibLaTeX before?
 
Or be bold and do pdftex "\input story\bye
 
10:18 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Never heard of Citavi.
 
@NicolaTalbot Do you know why the computer is named R. J. Drofnats?
 
@egreg Is it the reverse of something? Stanford J.R.? (Not sure about the J.R.)
 
@NicolaTalbot Is has been mentioned by Dominik Waßenhoven before but that’s from 2011.
 
@NicolaTalbot Those stand for "Revinu Jitis", according to the index of the TeXbook.
 
Revinu = univeR / Jitis = sitiJ / Drofnats = stanford = Stanford University? :)
 
10:22 PM
@PauloCereda Oh, that's clever.
 
@PauloCereda Correct.
 
@egreg @NicolaTalbot: Now I'm tempted to look for hidden gems in TAOCP. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot @PauloCereda The second entry after Drofnats in the index is "Dull, Brutus Cyclops"
In between there's Dudeney.
@PauloCereda Do you know why Bo Derek is in the index?
 
@egreg I have no idea. Why? :)
 
@PauloCereda It refers, rather obviously, to the exercise about the powers of 10. :)
 
10:26 PM
@egreg With a fake location list by the look of it unless it's written in invisible ink on those pages or something cryptic.
 
@NicolaTalbot Here's the source
\ddangerexercise ^{Powers of ten}: The whole \TeX\ language has now been
summarized completely. To~demonstrate how much you know, name all of the ways
you can think of in which the numbers 10, ^^{Derek, Bo} 100, 1000, 10000,
and 100000 have special significance to \TeX.
The ^^{ notation is used for "hidden entries" in the index
 
@egreg :-)
I like the quote from barbara beeton on the last page.
@Qrrbrbirlbel I'm sorry I can't help with that one. A brief google suggests it's commercial.
 
@NicolaTalbot Yes, I know. I have a rather old full version here but wonder whether a) the new version is better (?) or b) what are the alternatives? My new university provides licences for RefWorks, let’s see how that is.
 
I've just reached 3k. I thought I'd only just passed 2k.
 
@percusse Any idea how to combine our two answers to the command-line display question?
 
10:35 PM
@NicolaTalbot The other funny one is relative to James Joyce.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel If your university has licences for RefWorks, it's probably better to stick with that instead. (It's possible that the support staff may be more inclined to help with applications they have licences for. Although there's no guarantee of that.)
@egreg The modernistic novelist who writes 200-line paragraphs?
 
@NicolaTalbot Yes.
 
(And uses the daft dash quotation style.)
@egreg The solution to that exercise is the basis of flowfram's \framebreak
!!/texdef -t latex -p flowfram framebreak
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\framebreak:
macro:->\@protected@testopt \framebreak \\framebreak {4}


\\framebreak:
\long macro:[#1]->\global \usedframebreaktrue {\parfillskip =0pt\pagebreak [#1]\parskip =0pt\par \noindent }
 
@NicolaTalbot I've used variants of it in some cases. Also \begingroup\def\par{...\endgroup\par}...\par can come handy sometimes.
A curious fact about questions closed as duplicate: the questioner can even get a gold badge for one of them: tex.stackexchange.com/badges/28/famous-question?userid=2204
But the questioner is Brazilian, so this surely has connections with the sock puppets owned by another Brazilian who's around here. ;-)
 
10:52 PM
@NicolaTalbot I don’t think we get support but that is a valid point. But, if the worst comes to the worst, they want me to use their Word template. That’s going to be fun, all I’m seeing is a manual bibliography.
 
@AlanMunn Not really because I haven't read how mdframed uses the content box. Probably @MarcoDaniel can do it in no time.
 

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