@egreg ... which is one of the most annoying eTeX idiosyncrasies IMO. Is there any justification for having rounding integer operations or is it just a bug?

@StephanLehmke It's more 'normal', and anyway you can produce a truncating division function to be used inside \numexpr

@JosephWright Normal in which sense? I've never heard of rounding arithmetic operations on integer or fixed point numbers before and couldn't believe when I was told TeX was doing that.

@StephanLehmke It's what I'd do if I were working by hand

See integer division.

@JosephWright I can't believe that, honestly. It's completely unnatural. Dividing intergers by hand usually means division with remainder.

@StephanLehmke No, I'd do it as a float then round back to an integer so as not to loose information

@JosephWright How do you divide by hand "as a float"?

@JosephWright at some computational cost of what should be a trivially fast and exact operation.

@JosephWright Surely it's trivial to round with integer division? Just add the 0.5\roundingfactor, then integer divide and chuck the remainder down the tiolet. I'd have thought that a lot faster...

@JosephWright Just an idea -- don't want to get into the "Lets throw stones at Joseph today" game :-)

@World OMG EBGaramond is sooo beautiful!

Hello!

@Randal'Thor hello

Does anyone of you maybe know how to change the numbering "style" of my \newtheorem environments in LaTeX?

I changed the numbering style of my sections to be §1, §2 and so on

and now my theorems are numbered §1.3 Theorem

@Randal'Thor \renewcommand\thetheorem{\arabic{theorem}}

@DavidCarlisle going to try, sec :)

@Randal'Thor Although it indicates you probably added the § in the wrong place. If you change \thesection then you change every reference to the number (as here) not just the heading. If you just want the section head to have § you should redefine the heading layout rather than redefine \thesection

@DavidCarlisle Oh, that seems to be the reason that your suggestion isn#t working :)

@Randal'Thor Note I guessed the counter name, you have to use whatever counter was declared in the \newtheorem

@DavidCarlisle yes, I figured that. But how would I change the section heading but not the reference? Is there a simple one-liner hopefully?

since I know I had to search quite a bit to find out how to change the section heading and now it turns out I didn#t really change the heading... ;)

@Randal'Thor chat is better for chatting, questions which require code are best asked on the site with a small complete example document. To change the layout I normally just copy the definition from article.cls (or whatever class it is) and change it but there are packages that give easy access to parameterising the heading layout (but I forget the names just now:-)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks a lot then! I'll find a solution now :)

Why did this get closed as duplicate? It is about pdf viewers showing page 1 on the left not about the odd/even page margins. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113567/…

@MarcoDaniel, @mafp ^^^

@PauloCereda I was going to post a vim answer but I couldn't get it to understand any lisp.

@DavidCarlisle I don't think so: the question is really about changing margins.

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle OTOH, the linked answers don't solve the OP's problem.

Hello everyone

@Brent.Longborough remember the autocorrect "feature" the we were talking the other day, where you even suggested Autohotkey? Well, TeXMaker is so great that I was able to set user tags that do almost that ;) so, when I write :h2o2 + [right arrow key], it replaces my text by \ce{h2o2}

@Brent.Longborough I'm really happy, and I think it has made learning LaTeX much easier :) (though I know emacs would be the way to go)

Ouch, it's terrible not to use my glasses today. :(

@PauloCereda Or be on vacation ;-)

@MarcoDaniel :)

I'll be back later, time to get my new glasses. :)

@DavidCarlisle I am not convinced yet that this is about pdf viewers. The OP wants odd pages shifted to the right, i.e., a large inner margin, and smaller outer margin. This is a duplicate.

@PauloCereda ahahah I know that feeling!

@DavidCarlisle: you can answer tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113567/…

@PauloCereda Use them!

@egreg , @mafp, yes OP asked about the extra page then second comment was back to margins. Anyway that would be a better question to answer:-)

@Bugbusters: Wrong comment? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113587/…

@MarcoDaniel Yes. It is wrong. The next one is much better.

@Bugbusters Indeed. That's Axel.

@Bugbusters The best answer of Axel:

@MarcoDaniel ahahah

@seamus about your reply in here (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/37366/…), this was also the reason why I started learning Latex now ;)

@MarcoDaniel While it may be the same using figure or center, I believe that center should be used if centering is desired: a theme might change the meaning of figure.

@egreg I don't think so. For me it's much clearer to put includegraphcis inside a figure environment. Of course there a normally no differences.

@MarcoDaniel No, that's wrong, at least IMO. The beamer class should provide neither figure nor \caption: it has very little sense to caption something in a slide, where the description of the object has to be next to it. And in a presentation it's better never using cross references that the audience will almost certainly not remember.

@egreg Hi! Not quite true, when you use the article mode, too. It's not the class that is wrong, but the people who use it wrong.

@MarcoDaniel He has no child.

@tohecz Ciao! I wasn't thinking to the article mode. This is another "no-no", IMO: having the same source producing an article or a presentation is just a dream.

@egreg I won't argue with you ;)

@egreg Let me answer with a your words:

I think beamer does it.

@Bugbusters I don't know. He lives 100km far away ;-)

@MarcoDaniel What beamer does is not typography.

@egreg I think a presentation doesn't need a bibliography. I think this is a feature request by users.

@MarcoDaniel One can show a selection of the main sources, but perhaps not as much detailed as a formal bibliography. Referencing the sources by number in the presentation is a sure way for disorienting the audience.

@egreg: This is a question for you ;-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113605/…

@MarcoDaniel did you start editing before I'd saved the answer:-) (thanks)

@DavidCarlisle No

Just removed a `

@MarcoDaniel Done ;-)

@egreg Great as usual ;-)

@egreg You have often written such answers. I think it's time for a new package ;-)

hi

@DominicMichaelis I see you got your gold badge!

yeah thanks a lot for all your support

i got a cleveref hyperref question ...

but didn't got a mwe till now

@DominicMichaelis Load cleveref after hyperref

thats the order i do but it still just gives errors

oh he needs more time

i loaded cleveref right after hyperref it didn't work now i loaded it after amsmath and enumerate and so on

@DominicMichaelis hyperref and cleveref should be anyhow called after amsmath and enumerate. Very few packages go after hyperref.

it doesn't work when i set them at the vey end

@DominicMichaelis Sorry, but without an example…

@egreg working on the mwe

ok i hope this is minimal now

\documentclass{scrartcl}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\usepackage{amsthm}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\usepackage{cleveref}

\theoremstyle{definition}
\newtheorem{Def}{Definition}[subsection]

\theoremstyle{plain}
\newtheorem{Lemma}[Def]{Lemma}

\begin{document}
a
\begin{Lemma}
\label{Lem:fastdis}
 \[ a+b=c? \]
\end{Lemma}
\end{document}

gonna post it on main too got it more minimal too

here is the problem on main tex.stackexchange.com/q/113621/25962

@DominicMichaelis I guess we have discovered that amsthm should go after cleveref. :)

@DominicMichaelis Better, between hyperref and cleveref

@egreg should I inform the guy who wrote cleveref ?

@DominicMichaelis I guess so.

I never thought i would ever find a bug i am kind of proud of me: d

@egreg I'm curious. What seems to be the problem with \ContinuedFloat and hyperref in tex.stackexchange.com/q/113615/3954?

@egreg should I put the second part of my question as an answer? So that we don't have more unanswered questions ?

Back with my new glasses, yay! :)

@GonzaloMedina Probably that float doesn't do the necessary checks with hyperref.

Mh Qrb... says he can compile the first version too ...

@PauloCereda Now you can see on the screen what you type!

@DominicMichaelis He probably didn't notice the warning.

with MiKTeX and WinEdt it doesn't give me any output at all

@egreg I can! :) I didn't want to wear my old glasses this morning because I was going to get my new ones. If I change the glasses prescriptions mid-day (my new glasses are stronger), I'd feel dizzy. :)

Is \parindent typically set in units of pt or em?

@egreg But I did a simple test and couldn't find any problem; in my simple example everything worked as expected. Where is the problem?

@GonzaloMedina With \ContinuedFloat I get

pdfTeX warning (ext4): destination with the same identifier
(name{algorithm.1}) has been already used, duplicate ignored

are you guys serious? how should I know that this question covers my problem ?

@DominicMichaelis It's not easy to search the site. :) We can close your question as duplicate, then.

it was already closed

Shall i delete it ?

@DominicMichaelis Don't worry.

Did anyone of you ever wrote a script for a lecture ?

@DominicMichaelis I remember when I was at my first year; my Algebra teacher came in with a sheet of paper in his hand and put it on the desk; the desk was higher than our seats, so we couldn't see what was written on it. It was unusual, he always lectured without looking at notes. At the end of the lecture, the professor left the paper on the desk and we went to look at it: a single word was written on it. :-O

I am getting money for it ...

Hi all, I don't remember the name of a horizontal rule that is thicker in the middle than it is on the left and right side. Anybody? Next question, how to do that in LaTeX, but I think there was a question on this site already.

@dıʞsdoʇ A "swelled rule"?

@dıʞsdoʇ Do texdoc gmp and you'll find a way to do it. But I'm sure there are TikZ based methods.

@egreg thanks!

@egreg the metapost based solution is fine for me, thanks!

@dıʞsdoʇ Horton hears a who?

@PauloCereda The who?

@dıʞsdoʇ talkin' bout' my generation

@egreg Ah, yes. Thanks.

Yesterday, while waiting 5+ hours for the TeX Live2013 installation, I noticed a dirtytalk package was being installed. I got a little disappointed when I read the package description.

@GonzaloMedina No funny four letter word.

!!/cricket

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Lancashire 253/7 &  177/10 * v Essex 226/10 &  203/3
- Yorkshire 505/9  v Somerset 61/6 &  252/10 *
- Gloucestershire 284/2 * v Hampshire 274/10
- Warwickshire 267/5 * v Middlesex 428/5
- Worcestershire 320/7  v Leicestershire 229/2 *
- England Lions 175/1 * v New Zealanders 285/10
- Surrey 237/10  v Durham 18 *
- Netherlands 101/10  v Kent 102/3 *
- Delhi Daredevils 132/6 * v Royal Challengers Bangalore 183/4

No Cambridge, no Unicorns... this game sucks. :(

I now use the U+E007 swell rule from Libertine. Thanks to otftotfm it was very easy to create a custom font for pdftex.

!!/choose eat cake, work

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: work

Damn.

@PauloCereda The next match of the Unicorns is on May 12 at Cardiff. Maybe we can visit @Brent.Longborough

@egreg Yay! :)

@egreg: Can we invite @DavidCarlisle too? :)

@PauloCereda He might explain the game. But probably we'd understand nothing.

Which style do you recommend between the following?

$\!
\begin{aligned}[t]
7x -1	&= 13\\
7x		&= 13 +1\\
			&= 14\\
x			&= \frac{14}{7}\\
			&= 2
\end{aligned}
$
$\!
\begin{aligned}[t]
7x -1	&= 13\\
7x		&= 13 +1\\
7x		&= 14\\
x			&= \frac{14}{7}\\
x			&= 2
\end{aligned}
$

i am to lazy and stupid to unterstand the cleveref documentation. I got the following situtation: I have something like \begin{thm} \begin{enumerate} \item \label{something}\end{enumerate} \end{thm} and want that at \Cref{something} not only Point 1 is printed but Theorem X.1

@egreg You know you'd be very welcome

@Brent.Longborough I'll keep in mind! Thanks!

@DominicMichaelis cleveref doesn't do it, AFAIK.

I just cannot install an update/package, I have MikeTex 2.9, Window7 and the update wizard just show me file transfer but nothing is updated. I want to update the datatool bundle of Nicola Talbot.

it is silly, but that's where I am. any help?

@Bugbusters The second, definitely, if it's for young people.

my update doesn't work, how to fix that?

@egreg Hello

I never installed or updated any package in LaTeX, can anybody help me to install/update one. I read about this subject but for me didn't work, frustrating. I use MikTex 2.9 and win7. any help?

@doctorate It's super easy

I use it too

@doctorate I am using a portable version though

how is it easy? pleas can you help me then? I want to update the datatool the new one

just went to miktex dir

and launched miktex-portable.cmd

can you guide me online?

step by step?

trying

thnks alot

first you need to launch the miktex program

which part the manager, settings, or what?

it will create an icon in the system tray

there is an option "Update Miktex"

when you click upon the icon

ok, now choose repository right?

ja

use the nearest.....

r u german?

it will give a list of packages

no

I am just used to use this German word :)

ok i have the list now, many packages, many

find the one, that you need

ok btw, i have to select one by one, there is no way to select all, is it the same with you?

let me see

probably, if you use the appropriate filters...

are there many to install?

oh , yea

anyway I selected the one I need, "datatool", old is 2009, new is 2013

then next

ja

files were transferred quickly, seems good

then final next button

good

now completing update wizard

and finish

then what? how to check if it was updated?

actually that was my question. I get stuck here.

can you search for the name of the package in miktex dir?

u mean in the package manager?

No, the file manager

for me the lipsum package is located here: D:\bin\miktex\tex\latex\lipsum\lipsum.sty

how can I get the directory

wait...

you must be somewhere nearby, just in the different dir

C:\Program Files\MiKTeX 2.9\tex\latex\datatool

could it be there?

open datatool.sty

there must be a version and date

but before opening the date of the file is 2009

so the old one, not updated

could it put it somewhere else?

what datatools do you have?

these are 6 files of .sty extension

ah you know, in miktex package manager

but the file transfer was done, so I have to figure out where? right

for every package there are files

if you find the new package

and check the files...

wait

I cannot find the updated package, any ideas

try to delete the old one and install again

something was transferred but is there any other way to tell where it could be thrown?

carefully look after the messages

problem: C:\Users\FADI\AppData\Roaming\MiKTeX\2.9\fontconfig\config\fonts.conf.in does not exist

aha

there was such message after downloading the update

what does that mean?

how to fix?

no idea

latex-community.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3030&start=20

seems, they solved it

thanks a lot, anyway

sure

!!/cricket

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Lancashire 253/7 &  177/10 * v Essex 226/10 &  203/3
- Yorkshire 505/9  v Somerset 61/6 &  252/10 *
- Gloucestershire 284/2 * v Hampshire 274/10
- Warwickshire 267/5 * v Middlesex 428/5
- Worcestershire 320/7  v Leicestershire 229/2 *
- England Lions 219/2 * v New Zealanders 285/10
- Surrey 237/10  v Durham 48 *
- Netherlands 101/10  v Kent 102/3 *
- Northamptonshire 78/4 * v Sussex 215/7
- Malaysia Under-19s v Nepal Under-19s

!!/battle

@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 260 vs. 230 David. So far, egreg is winning.

@PauloCereda Damn rep-cap

I think I am going to write a blogpost about texorpdfstring option in hyperref. Is that a good idea? I owe a couple of posts already...

@MarcoDaniel: Today my speedometer almost reached three digits. :)

Yours will probably reach four. :)

@PauloCereda My car is in the car repair shop. I need a new windscreen ;-)

@MarcoDaniel After I read "My car is in the car repair shop", I completed it as, "because I wrecked it". <3 :-) /just joking

@MarcoDaniel Uh-oh. :) Get your Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG soon. :)

Too localised (?) (See OP's comments):

Where's @David? I am missing him!

@MarcoDaniel: Of course, @Joseph and @David have a Jaguar XJL (God save the Queen). :)

Frank's answer with a photo!

@kan WOW! Did you count them?

@egreg the number of checks, you mean?

@egreg OK. Thank you!

Given Frank's comment at the other answer, about how hard it is to find a bug, I am really baffled to note that, Frank could come up with so many bugs! I cannot imagine how many hours he should have had to sit with TeX and read the code, work out that edge cases are being handled and so on...

@kan Yes.

@egreg Indeed, and then, I decided that, I'll one day meet him!

@PauloCereda But a speed limit of 60 miles/hour

@MarcoDaniel Can you remove your comment to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113656/space-bibliography ?

@egreg Done

@MarcoDaniel Your and my comment could disorient the OP.

@egreg Indeed. The current one is the best one ;-)

@kan Word of advice, you don't find bugs when looking for them. You find bugs when, at a certain point, you do something and say, "hm, this is funny..."

@PauloCereda Or just by choosing at random a line in some well known packages. ;-)

@egreg LOL :)

@egreg: grep TODO longtable.sty :)

!!/eightball Are you buggy?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: aye aye.

Oh.

!!/eightball Will it stop raining?

@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: I sense conflict.

:(

@egreg Rainy day? :(

@PauloCereda Terrible. And tomorrow it will be the same.

@egreg Oh my, sorry to hear. :( So no tour tomorrow. :(

@PauloCereda Unfortunately not.

@egreg :(

In here, cold is trying to strike in. Currently we have 18ºC.

@PauloCereda Agreed!

@PauloCereda Hi!

@GonzaloMedina Hi! :) How are you? :)

Fine, and you?

@GonzaloMedina Fine too. :)

Tell me weather is quite cold in Colombia too. :)

!!/answer Weather in Colombia

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

weather | center of Colombia
temperature | 30 °C
conditions | partly cloudy
relative humidity | 62%  (dew point: 22 °C)
wind speed | 0 m/s
(1 hour 18 minutes ago)
(using weather station SKVV: 180 km W and 240 meters above center of Colombia)
between 23 °C and 29 °C
clear (early morning to late morning)  |  rain (late morning onward)  |  few clouds (late morning onward)
between 23 °C and 27 °C
rain (late afternoon to night)  |  few clouds (late afternoon to night)  |  clear (late night onward)

No!

It's not cold! It's not cold here either. : (

@PauloCereda It's been rainy these days, but today we have a sunny afternoon, for a change. So the weather is fine today. The only thing is not so fine is the earthquakes!

@GonzaloMedina Oh my!

@kan Did the monkeys visit you again?

@egreg No, not yet. I think they found enough in my neigbour's room! But, they visit the hostel every day.

I'll grab a photo tommorrow, some monkeys are very friendly. Others not so much.

@PauloCereda Well, maybe earthquake is not the right word; it sounds too big, but it's the only one I know (in English). We have been experiencing little earthquakes (3.5 to 4 in Richter scale) almost everyday for the past three weeks. This is the culprit: 209.238.134.188:8080/sites/default/files/styles/620x/public/…

Ooh... Scary!

@GonzaloMedina Wow.

Is there a word in English for "little earthquake"? In Spanish we have "temblor" for little earthqueakes and "terremoto" for the big ones.

@kan Keep your bananas hidden.

@GonzaloMedina We have only "terremoto". Directly from Latin "terrae motus".

@egreg Sure! :)

@GonzaloMedina 3.5 to 4 Richter is not a little earthquake! At least by our standards.

@egreg Well, in my region thet are very common, so we consider anything less than 5 as "little".

@GonzaloMedina do you think tex.stackexchange.com/q/113644/15717 and tex.stackexchange.com/a/19973/15717 are related and can be gathered together

@texenthusiast They are indeed related; the problem is the same in both cases, but the snippet from the .log file in the second question gives no clue about the real problem. I am sure the conflict between subfigure and subcaption (or subfig) has been asked and answered before and there is a more direct question somewhere that we could use to close tex.stackexchange.com/q/113644/15717 as a duplicate

@GonzaloMedina you can make your comment as answer in newest Q, incase you like so. Thanks