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8:40 AM
They don't know the beauty of TeX. youtube.com/watch?v=mvccwESh3po
 
 
1 hour later…
10:22 AM
Hi everybody
I have a problem with my bibliography compilation I think. My latex dissertation file works fine as long as I don't load the bibtex file.
 
10:38 AM
nothing -- I solved it.
I found a & character in my bibtex file.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:56 AM
!!/cricket
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Central Zone (Bangladesh) 433/9  v South Zone (Bangladesh) 343/10 &  31/1 *
- East Zone (Bangladesh) 143/4 * v North Zone (Bangladesh) 499/6
- Dolphins 548/6  v Titans 133/8 &  167/10 *
- Lions 348/10 &  111/2 * v Knights 293/9
- South African Invitation XI 120 * v New Zealanders 311/6
- Bengal v Railways 214/9 *
- Mumbai 24/1 * v Gujarat 244/10
- Rajasthan 191/3 * v Hyderabad (India)
- Saurashtra 212/9 * v Madhya Pradesh
 
!!/eightball Most precious oracle, is "eightball" your real name?
 
@PauloCereda somehow the teams highlighted by Psmith and those highlighted by the BBC are strangely disjoint:-) news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/scorecards/default.stm
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: signs point to yes.
@DavidCarlisle oopsie. :)
!!/answer explain cricket.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: 1 | noun | leaping insect; male makes chirping noises by rubbing the forewings together :: 2 | noun | a game played with a ball and bat by two teams of 11 players; teams take turns trying to score runs :: 3 | verb | play cricket
!!/eightball Should we believe in the cricket scores you showed us before?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my sources say no.
 
!!/answer explain TeX
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
Uh-oh.
 
12:39 PM
!!/answer explain LaTeX.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: 1 | noun | a milky exudate from certain plants that coagulates on exposure to air :: 2 | noun | a water-base paint that has a latex binder
LOL
 
1:11 PM
!!/answer explain Paulo
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
!!/answer Is David a cool guy?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
Ah, c'mon!
!!/answer Is David a cool guy?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
:)
!!/answer biggest prime until 1 billion.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: 999999937
 
Does anyone know where I might find other people interested in helping me with this volunteer typesetting I'm doing? It's for a newly finished translation of the Bible. I have already generated the full LaTeX source but there are some things with the template that I just don't know how to do. Full source and project is here: github.com/kieranclancy/isv_tex
 
1:33 PM
are you allowed to reprint that source (or are you the original traslator?) The licence says The ISV text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic, or audio) up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without the expressed written permission of the publisher but this is presumably more than 500 verses?
 
Good question. I have the publisher's permission. I am also trying to push for more liberal licensing for others.
 
@codebeard Very nice project!
 
They were happy for me to make it a public repository so that others could contribute
 
@codebeard oh if you have the publishers permission then you have permission:-)
 
:P
I often feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole with LaTeX though... I've learned a lot but I still think I end up with a lot of cargo code, and every time I fix one thing it breaks something else.
seems like 6 megabytes of TeX code makes a good test suite
 
1:49 PM
@codebeard what was the original source markup (before you made it latex) I assume you didn't scan a printed version?
 
funny story. They had the entire thing in Word documents going back since the late 90s. I converted them to the latest docx format so I could read them in XML and then I wrote a 3000 line program to carefully extract the information and work around a myriad of inconsistencies
@DavidCarlisle they don't actually have a printed version yet. I volunteered to help them because they weren't able to meet their fundraising for getting it typeset a a publishing house
(on second thoughts, it was not really that funny, it was actually really painful and I never want to see MS office XML again)
 
The answer to this one is easy: "don't use TeX for writing the thesis"
57
Q: How to avoid procrastination during the research phase of my PhD?

PaulI just finished all of my coursework for my PhD program, and am entering the research phase of my degree with a topic already in mind. I've already started the research, but I'm already finding that I end up procrastinating a lot of my time away. When I was taking courses, I felt like i didn't ...

 
@egreg Please do it. :)
 
Much easier: "Don't write a thesis or do a PhD"
I wish someone had told me that 2 years ago
 
@egreg Martin is the living proof of how TeX can influence the writing of a thesis. Look at how many packages he wrote during research. :P
 
2:06 PM
@PauloCereda Unfortunately I didn't have TeX available when I was doing my thesis. :( But I did find some ways to procrastinate anyway. :) "PhD thesis" and "procrastination" are pretty much synonymous.
 
@egreg :)
!!/eightball Dear bot, is ok if we procrastinate during research?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is certain.
 
\o/
 
!!/choose write thesis, watch a cricket game
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: watch a cricket game
 
!!/eightball does typesetting a Bible translation count as procrastination if I am doing a PhD in maths?
 
@DavidCarlisle: ^^
@codebeard Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: too busy looking for bugs in longtable.
:)
@codebeard It's a holy procrastination. :)
 
2:11 PM
@codebeard What field of math?
 
@egreg I'll go with topology :)
 
@egreg graph theory
 
@codebeard OMG really? That's awesome! :)
 
@codebeard Difficult one!
 
biggest difficulty so far is trying to explain to everyone that it has nothing to do with y = x^2
 
2:15 PM
@codebeard Or doing some complicated multiplications. :)
 
There goes my last chocolate from that Ferrero Rocher box.
 
@PauloCereda it's good to get those Christmas pounds out of the way early, right?
 
@PauloCereda At the Padova train station there's a chocolate shop; we're never without chocolate tablets. Black chocolate, of course! They have some Lindt tablets with 99% cocoa.
 
@codebeard Indeed. :)
@egreg ooh how nice!
 
very nice, I love dark chocolate
 
2:19 PM
@codebeard The problem is that we use metric units, so we have kilos to get out of the way.
 
@egreg ah, me too actually. “pounds” just has a nice ring to it
 
!!/answer 1 pound to kg
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: 0.4536 kg (kilograms)
 
!!/answer 14000ft to meters
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: 4267 meters
 
@PauloCereda This is the height a paved road in Colorado reaches at its top; barbara told me about it. I want to go there!
 
2:25 PM
@egreg Wow!
 
@PauloCereda There's one reaching 2830m actually not very far from me, in Austria.
 
!!/answer 3 gallons per furlong in metres per quart
 
@codebeard Psmith, the TeX bot: 16.76 m/qt (meters per quart)
@egreg If you opt for the Colorado one, you'll need a Harley Davidson. :)
 
@PauloCereda Heresy!
 
@egreg Uh-oh. :)
 
2:41 PM
Someone should write a version of longtable which can break within a row. We're getting a real lot of questions here about that...
Or is there something like this lurking on the LaTeX3 horizon?
 
@StephanLehmke Not in the immediate future
 
2:57 PM
!!/eightball Is the immediate future = next year? :)
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: cannot predict now.
!!/answer To be or not to be.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: ...that is the question. :: (according to Prince Hamlet in William Shakespeare's play Hamlet)
!!/answer Tell me a joke.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Q: What's nutritious and commutes? A: An Abelian soup. :: (according to what passes for mathematical humor (sorry, I only know mathematical jokes), drawn from several sources but primarily from P. Renteln and A. Dundes in their paper "Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor" in Notices of the American Mathematical Society, vol. 52, pp. 24-34, 2005)
 
I even used sed in an answer. :)
 
@egreg Oh my!
(I'm blaming my keyboard today)
 
3:24 PM
And I'm using the picture environment in my logalyzer package. David will be so happy to hear that!
 
@StephanLehmke I'm very anxious to see it!
 
@egreg Well it'll take some time until I can write an answer. There are still some rough edges to polish on the assignment handler, and then I'll implement the macro expansion handler before I answer. I'm at 900 lines and expect about the same still to go. I'm on leave till end of next week, so I'll try to get it out before, otherwise it'll get very sluggish.
 
3:59 PM
@StephanLehmke A lot? The two most recent ones are by the same person for the same problem. Are there more?
@PauloCereda This is a variation on What's purple and commutes" -- An Abelian grape.
 
@AlanMunn LOL
!!/answer tell me a joke.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Q: Do you know Hilbert? A: Then what are you doing in his space? :: (according to what passes for mathematical humor (sorry, I only know mathematical jokes), drawn from several sources but primarily from P. Renteln and A. Dundes in their paper "Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor" in Notices of the American Mathematical Society, vol. 52, pp. 24-34, 2005)
!!/eightball Is longtable a trusted source?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: only egreg knows the answer.
@egreg: ^
 
@PauloCereda Nice addition. Should I answer?
 
@egreg Let's ask the oracle. :)
!!/eightball Should egreg answer the question?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
ooh.
!!/choose longtable, a chocolate tablet
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: longtable
Oh no.
 
@AlanMunn I didn't notice that. Still it seems to be a new problem for that user as he accepted the mdframed solution of the other question and explicitly said he can't use mdframed on this instance. Anyway, there is another question from december here
 
!!/answer Merry Christmas!
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Merry Christmas to you too, and a happy New Year!
o.O
 
4:09 PM
and that one was closed as duplicate of another question from october. So maybe it's a subjective impression of mine that there are a lot of these questions.
Still it would be a nice extension, offering new fields of application.
 
!!/answer what's the speed of an unladen swallow?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: 11 m/s (meters per second)
o.O
 
@PauloCereda Boring. Psmith needs more cultural inferences.
 
@AlanMunn Indeed.
I need a funnier AI db. This Wolfram Alpha sucks.
!!/answer how many roads must a man walk down before you can call him a man?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind. :: (according to the song written by Bob Dylan and released on his 1963 album The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan)
At least he got that one. :P
!!/answer where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Not sure, but wherever she is, it isn't here.
 
@StephanLehmke Absolutely. It would also be nice to have a multicolumn version. supertabular can do that with some hacking but not longtable: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/13895/… but not longtable
 
4:17 PM
!!/eightball will David implement these new features?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes, definitely.
 
4:55 PM
@codebeard oh the top level page at isv.org says The ISV 2.0 Has Been Sent to Typesetting and Will Be Available Soon in Printed Editions is that you? :-)
@StephanLehmke what's the full spec? So many questions sketch it out with a single column which is a p column of text which makes it too easy (I think I did that once) but in that case often you don't want a table at all, something liek mdframed with a breakable frame. If longtable claimed to allow breaking within the row people would assume it worked when one column had an image another had text and the third had a multirow spanning three rows....
 
@DavidCarlisle That's the challenge of course :-) It's true that indeed a lot of cases can be handeled without using longtable at all, which doesn't make the application less interesting. It should probably be possible to specify on a per-column basis whether this column is breakable, unbreakable (i.e. a break has to occur at a vertical position "below" that cells content), or (special case) should be replicated at the beginning of the next page after a break.
With DocScape which offers a rather rich table model (also no breaks within a cell though ;-) I've made the experience that easy to use, powerful tables which can in some cases span the whole document make it easy to express some types of formatting. Wouldn't it be much easier if everything which can be done with packages like parallel or mdframed is in some sense a special case of a powerful table package? It would immediately open access to completely new applications.
 
5:31 PM
Hello !!
 
@percusse Hi! You come in and David goes offline. Is there a meaning? :)
 
!!/eightball Does percusse have a secret identity?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is decidedly so.
 
@egreg I don't know. But I might have offended him a week ago. :)
about a failed joke about longtable
@PauloCereda heheh, I see the bot is powered up again.
 
@percusse :)
 
@egreg @percusse made disparaging remarks about cricket, so @DavidCarlisle has gone to play with his Lego.
 
5:41 PM
@AlanMunn I can make disparaging comments about cricket even to Knuth in person.
 
@percusse I suspect that Knuth is as interested in cricket as you are.
 
!!/eightball Is David playing with Lego?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: very doubtful.
If we call him a lot, maybe he'll be back. @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle.
 
If the system doesn't flag that....
 
@percusse Some chatroom flags are really weird, by the way.
 
@PauloCereda You mean the system flags that we see on the left corner of the gravatar?
 
5:47 PM
@percusse Hm?
 
@PauloCereda The gravatar to the left of the chat box sometimes show weird flags in other rooms, if you mean those then yes they are really interesting :).
 
@percusse Ah yes. :)
 
@PauloCereda I was out due to overdose of Trappisten Rochefort :)
Our guys went to the monastery and got the beers from monks themselves. So it was cheaper but very very tasty. It might be my favorite
 
WAIT A MINUTE. So The Wizard of Oz has an affair with the good witch of the North?!
Damn Disney.
 
@PauloCereda sorry you called me away from lego mindstorms:-)
 
6:00 PM
@PauloCereda The great 8-ball is losing its powers.
 
@AlanMunn The 8-ball was telling the truth. I bet David was supervising his boy. :)
 
@AlanMunn the premise was false but the conclusion was true:-)
@PauloCereda It is possible that you have that relationship reversed
 
@DavidCarlisle o.O
 
6:19 PM
!!/ctan
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last CTAN news:

- CTAN update: toptesi (Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:03:31 GMT)
- CTAN update: garamondx (delayed announcement) (Fri, 28 Dec 2012 21:59:58 GMT)
- CTAN update: apa6 (delayed announcement) (Fri, 28 Dec 2012 21:55:40 GMT)
- CTAN Update: eledmac-eledpar (Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:18:35 GMT)
- CTAN Update mathastext (Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:14:45 GMT)
- CTAN updates: l3kernel, l3packages, l3experimental (Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:46:52 GMT)
- CTAN update: hyperxmp (delayed announcement) (Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:42:12 GMT)
 
kan
6:39 PM
Hey, can someone help me with Emacs?
I used to use C-c C-c for compiling a doc. But, now, I get default view instead of default latex... what's happened?
 
Were you in a TeX buffer when you pressed C-c C-c or some other type of buffer?
 
kan
@DavidWallace I was in a TeX buffer...
 
Then I have no idea, sorry.
I'm sorry if this has been asked here before, but I need to create a presentation. You know, something like a PowerPoint slideshow, but with TeX or LaTeX in it. I am running Windows 7. Can someone recommend what the best software to use would be?
 
kan
@DavidWallace No worries. Thank you for trying to help.
@DavidWallace Did you look at Beamer? :)
 
No, but I will now. Thank you.
 
kan
6:49 PM
Here's a link to get you started: math.umbc.edu/~rouben/beamer
 
Wow. Thank you. That looks like exactly what I wanted.
 
@DavidWallace Yes, Beamer is great. And it doesn't take very long to learn the basics if you're content with one of the basic styles (of which there are plenty).
 
kan
Later folks!
 
Thank you @kan for your help. Bye.
@AlanMunn Cheers, I am looking forward to using it.
 
7:32 PM
Hi all! I'm considering buying the TeXbook. I hear great things about it. Also, I read (some of) TAOCP. Well, Knuth is a great writer. Just one question: it seems the book has been on its first edition since 1986. Has TeX really changed that little since then?
TAOCP volume 1 is on its third edition, on the way to a fourth. And the material in that book is supposed to be timeless. TeX is a piece of software, which seems anything but timeless.
So, any comments from people who read the book would be appreciated! :-)
Of course, knowing Knuth, the book will be on its umpteenth print. But still, I'd have expected a second edition.
 
@mhelvens: I'm a TeX newbie. I had no chance to finish reading the TeXbook (my time is very complicated these days), but so far the text is superb. While I agree that no software is timeless, the concepts of the book are, and Knuth is very good at presenting the topics and proving each point of his line of thought. The book is very well written and typeset, and it gives a fantastic insight of the idea behind TeX.
 
@PauloCereda I appreciate the insight. :-) To be more specific: I wonder if everything I read in the TeXbook will still be relevant when using TeX today.
 
@mhelvens IMHO it will be relevant. :) I discovered lots of things which I had no idea. :)
 
@PauloCereda You've not run into anything in the book that doesn't work anymore in TeX? Or anything in core TeX that's not in the book?
Maybe it doesn't even matter. The essence won't have changed.
 
@mhelvens I think it depends a lot on whether you are writing documents or packages. If you're writing documents, I don't think the TeX book is in any way essential. If you're writing packages, it's very useful. Another good resource is TeX by Topic (which is part of the TeX Live docs).
 
7:48 PM
@AlanMunn Yep, I'm a recent package writer, and want to know more about the innards of TeX. From what I've heard, I need to read that book.
 
@mhelvens So then, yes, I think it's very useful. And even if you're planning to mainly write using LaTeX3 code, it's helpful to understand how TeX works underlyingly.
 
@mhelvens I share @Alan's POV. The book is more suitable for people who want to understand what happens in the backstage. I was curious to understand some things, and the book did a good job on telling me. :)
 
@AlanMunn Ok. Thanks! (@PauloCereda too).
 
@mhelvens Knuth released TeX3 in 1990: no big changes since then to TeX
 
@JosephWright iTeX* (2010)
:P
 
7:50 PM
@mhelvens Remember that The TeXbook does not cover any derivatives
 
@JosephWright Ah, but the TeXbook is from 1986. So I would be missing TeX3 stuff?
@JosephWright Maybe it's not very important. I'm just curious.
 
@mhelvens The changes are pretty subtle: give me a moment
 
To quote a wise TeXnician:
"The TeXbook is the source. I’ve always it at hand and I consult it very often." - Enrico Gregorio
:)
 
:-)
@PauloCereda Strange, huh? You'd think that there would be an equally comprehensive reference on the internet. And a more easily searchable one at that.
 
@mhelvens A TeX "MSDN" or "javadoc". :)
 
7:57 PM
@PauloCereda Something like that, yes. With a search function that understands TeX. (You try searching Google for command sequences.)
 
@mhelvens Indeed.
I might talk to @JosephWright about providing some similar feature to the L3 documentation. :)
 
@PauloCereda It still works fine for things like \detokenize, but now try to find \P. :-)
 
@mhelvens :P
Brute force:
 
If only Google would give us a verbatim search mode or somesuch. That would be grand.
 
!!/texdef \P
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\P:
macro:->\mathhexbox 27B
:)
 
7:59 PM
Cool. I didn't know about this feature. Or is that something you're running locally?
!!/texdef \detokenize
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\detokenize:
undefined
@mhelvens It's a fantastic tool created by Martin Scharrer named texdef. :)
 
Ah, TeX, not LaTeX.
 
!!/texdef -t latex \detokenize
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\detokenize:
\detokenize
 
Yeah, that's fantastically useful. ;-)
I guess we learn that it's a core command.
 
Indeed. :)
I set a bot running under my account. :)
 
8:01 PM
Anyway, I just use \show for that. It's not enough if you want real information.
 
Indeed.
Of course, David cheats by greping latex.ltx
:P
 
Ah, that makes sense.
You first have to know that it's a LaTeX command, though.
 
Ah yes. :)
 
Or I guess you don't. You'd find out.
 
Chances are, David probably defined them. :P
Let's interrupt David's Lego activities again. @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle.
:)
 
8:03 PM
You're taking him away from his Lego? That's mean.
 
And it's the mindstorm one! It's very mean. :)
 
@PauloCereda Aha. Mindstorm came after my Lego era. Of course, that really lets you program things.
 
@mhelvens It came after mine too. :)
David is probably using emacs in his Lego project. :P
 
On a completely unrelated topic (if I may): I recently discovered the semantic package. More specifically, its ligature option. That thing's great! My math code is more readable than ever.
Are you familiar with it?
 
@mhelvens I checked texbook.tex (on CTAN) to be sure: it does cover TeX3 (see tug.org/TUGboat/tb10-3/tb25knut.pdf for details of the new primitives Knuth added, which give the game away)
 
8:10 PM
Cool! I didn't know about it.
 
@JosephWright Great! Thanks for the trouble.
I'm definitely buying that book.
 
@mhelvens No problem: I thought it did, but wanted to be sure (memory was right: the \lefthyphenmin/\righthyphenmin primitives aren't in TeX82)
 
@PauloCereda I've defined about 30 ligatures so far. My math is now full of 'ascii' arrows which typeset correctly as real arrows.
@PauloCereda And I have ligatures like =def. I also wrote a new command which defines a family of ligatures for custom spacing to reflect precedence, like: .and., ..and.., ...and..., etc. I'm going a bit overboard with ligatures right now.
:-)
 
@mhelvens ligature overflow. :)
 
You know any other packages that make the code more readable?
Hm.. Maybe I'll ask again in two weeks, after my paper deadline.
Can't be messing around with new packages right now.
 
8:15 PM
I can't think of any right now.
 
Good. Paper deadline.
And with that in mind, good night all!
Thanks for your great insights, as ever!
 
@mhelvens Good night, buddy! :)
 
8:42 PM
!!/texdef mathhexbox
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\mathhexbox:
macro:#1#2#3->\leavevmode \hbox {$\m@th \mathchar "#1#2#3$}
 
The definition of \P in LaTeX is slightly more complex. ;-)
!!/texdef -t latex P
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\P:
macro:->\protect \P


\P :
\long macro:->\ifmmode \mathparagraph \else \textparagraph \fi
 
!!/texdef -t latex mathparagraph textparagraph
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\mathparagraph:
\mathchar"27B


\the\mathparagraph:
635


\textparagraph:
macro:->\OMS-cmd \textparagraph \OMS\textparagraph
@egreg: I have no idea of what's going on. :)
 
8:50 PM
@mhelvens well not that mean as I can happily ignore @PauloCereda
 
!!/texdef -t latex -b "\edef\x{\expandafter\meaning\csname OMS\string\textparagraph\endcsname}" \x
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\x:
macro:->\char"7B
 
@PauloCereda Now you know what \P does in LaTeX. :)
 
@egreg :)
!!/eightball Is David angry with me?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: reply hazy, try again.
!!/eightball Is David very angry with me?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes, definitely.
Oh no.
:(
 
@mhelvens texbook was re-issued for tex3 (just check \emergencystretch in the index if it is there you have tex3)
 
8:52 PM
In mathmode it typesets the character "7B in family "2, in text mode it chooses the font associated to the OMS encoding and typesets the character "7B from it. Which is usually the same as before.
 
@DavidCarlisle Phew mine has.
@egreg Oh!
 
@PauloCereda How's your German:-) Emacs Modus für NXC
 
@DavidCarlisle Für Elise -> For Elise, ergo it must mean Emacs something for NXC. :)
@DavidCarlisle Let's read Lisp, seems easier. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle As I said, for me the marker is \lefthyphenmin (or \language, perhaps) :-)
 
!!/texdef \emergencystretch
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\emergencystretch:
\emergencystretch
Oh I was expecting Stop! Hammer time.
 
9:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle Had a chance to look at l3galley yet?
 
@JosephWright I'd go with l3go. :)
 
@PauloCereda Bruno's implementation of Go in L3?
 
@PauloCereda Try with \relax
 
@JosephWright That too. :) But I was thinking of s/3/e/g. :)
@egreg :)
 
@PauloCereda Ah, right
 
9:07 PM
@JosephWright :)
Are there funny comments in the packages on CTAN?
 
9:52 PM
for some personal reasons, I can not use this package. — smh 16 mins ago
Weird comment; has anyone else felt unable to use a package for personal reasons? (Emotional? Religious?)
!!/eightball Aew you a persistent liar?
 
@Brent.Longborough Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't count on it.
 
@Brent.Longborough Dove?
 
@JosephWright Sorry, was that dove as in pigeon, or dove as in where in Italy?
 
@Brent.Longborough The latter
@Brent.Longborough 'Where was this said?'
 
If you click on the 16 mins ago,it'll take you there
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Q: package right similar to tufte-book

smhIs there any package right similar to tufte-book? I want to typeset books with marginal notes, figures and tables?

 
9:58 PM
@Brent.Longborough Ah, right
 
@JosephWright I know I can't use the tufte package for personal reasons -- the output makes my eyes water...
 
@Brent.Longborough You don't like Tufte's style?
 
I think it's a bit overrated
 
@Brent.Longborough I've got his book on plots: part-way through reading it. Certainly I don't buy everything he says
 
And I confess to prejudice against things that appear to have fanboys
 
10:01 PM
@Brent.Longborough I suspect most people have never heard of him: I had quite a saga buying the book!
 
@JosephWright Really? I bought VDQI a couple of years ago after a question appeared here, I think, but by the time I had finished, I thought it all a bit underwhelming
I even tried the tufte... packages, but had a lot of difficulty making them work to my cóntent/contént.
 
@Brent.Longborough I went to my campus Waterstones to buy a copy. Their computer claimed they had a copy, but no-one could find it and they had no idea where to look. So in the end they had to order one in.
 
@JosephWright I think I got mine from Amazon, IIRC
 
@JosephWright no, but I've eaten lots.
 
10:22 PM
!!/eightball is Tufte better than Bringhurst?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: too busy looking for bugs in longtable.
 
@PauloCereda I think you should look for bugs in your bot code
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
!!/eightball Are you buggy?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: reply hazy, try again.
!!/eightball Let me rephrase, do you have bugs?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: signs point to yes.
@DavidCarlisle: ^
 
!!/eightball Is Schröginger's cat alive or dead?
 
@Brent.Longborough Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: too busy looking for bugs in longtable.
LOL
 
@PauloCereda the problem of the liar paradox....
 
10:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle Exactly. :)
!!/answer Is Schrödinger's cat alive?
 
@PauloCereda Of course, the correct answer was "yes".
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Halfway so. :: (I'm not going to speculate which half.)
 
@Brent.Longborough Well, it would be a very old cat.
 
I still believe it was Schrödinger's pickup line to get girls.
 
@PauloCereda Aha, did not know this (= never heard of this toy, though there is a German Wikipedia version).
 
10:28 PM
@egreg Indeed, you took the words out of my mouth. Schrödinger died 52 years ago -- it would be molto venerabile
 
@Speravir Not a toy in Brazil either. I only knew it because of a Simpsons episode.
!!/answer Erwin Schrödinger
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: full name | Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger :: date of birth | Friday, August 12, 1887 (125 years ago) :: place of birth | Vienna, Vienna, Austria :: date of death | Wednesday, January 4, 1961 (age: 73 years) :: (51 years ago) :: place of death | Vienna, Vienna, Austria
Meanwhile...
!!/cricket
 
When I was young, we didn't have Schrödinger's cat, only Roger Bacon's Vole
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Central Zone (Bangladesh) 433/9  v South Zone (Bangladesh) 343/10 &  31/1 *
- East Zone (Bangladesh) 143/4 * v North Zone (Bangladesh) 499/6
- Lions 348/10 &  313/8  v Knights 13 &  293/9 *
- South African Invitation XI 274/6 * v New Zealanders 311/6
- Bengal v Railways 214/9 *
- Mumbai 24/1 * v Gujarat 244/10
- Rajasthan 274/5 * v Hyderabad (India)
- Saurashtra 212/9 * v Madhya Pradesh
- Maharashtra v Karnataka 306/4 *
@Brent.Longborough LOL
 
@PauloCereda Same order as Anthony of Padua, of course, who also was a very bright man. Not a scientist, however.
 
@egreg OFM. :)
 
11:35 PM
@PauloCereda: Usually YOU are the one spotting remarkable/unusual user names:
He’s actually a well-known user. I once made a suggestion we should collect his user names somewhere (meta?).
counter terrorist, moderator, forgiver, higgs boson, garbage collector …
 
@Speravir The next might be "Salvatore"; the one of "Penitenziagite" in "The Name of the Rose".
Or Quasimodo. :)
 
Support the cause! :)
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Q: Revamp "XX Users earned this badge" page

WernerIf you click on a badge under the Badges page, say Announcer (on TeX.SE), you receive the following view: For long question titles, it's not even possible to see who earned this badge for that specific question. I think the updated "Review history" page has a more suitable way of displaying th...

 
@egreg LOL Yes to both! :-D
 
@Werner Done
 
@egreg Thanks - I think it's a valid suggestion. Just not sure when it could be implemented.
It's kinda scary posting stuff on Meta.SO. Like poking a hungry Jubba the Hut.
 
11:45 PM
@Werner Let's see what the Powers That Be answer.
 
@Werner Though I did not know, what “revamp” means, the question is quite clear. Upvoted.
 
It's is somewhat related to:
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Q: Limiting the Length of Subject Titles

Marc van DongenRecently, I've noticed very long, non-focused question titles. Should we encourage limiting question titles, and if yes, is there a way to enforce this? Personally, I am in favour of this as it focuses the attention of the poster to stating the nub of the problem, thereby reducing the time other...

@Speravir Revamp ~ "Give new and improved form, structure, or appearance to".
 
@Werner Thanks.
 

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