@Maeher What do you mean? They aren't by default as far as I know.

Is @JosephWright around? I need to ask if there is a proper way with achemso or the RSC template to change Table 2 to Table S2

@Canageek Probably gone to bed. More sensible than some of us :).

@UlrikeFischer Is that on ctan? My version doesn't like ducks :(.

@cfr Yes. (Works here with up to date TL16.)

@Canageek \renewcommand\thetable{S\arabic{table}}?

@DavidCarlisle I've upset KB :(

@JosephWright ?

@UlrikeFischer oh my, an evil duck!

@yo' Indeed. :(

@JosephWright oh no

@DavidCarlisle See mail

@JosephWright yep, presumably in response to something you said rather than to l3news

@DavidCarlisle Yes, in response to likely content of l2e news

@DavidCarlisle For once Chris is spot-on

@JosephWright and not for the first time it hasn't got here

@DavidCarlisle It's on the team list

@JosephWright It's not here (even in my local spam) I think something in chris's setup triggers gmails "at server" spam filtering which means I get no notification at all.

@JosephWright I could opt out of that but having had periods of several thousand messages a day I'm not keen to do so:-)

@JosephWright The problem with lmodern is specifically with math fonts, not with text fonts.

@egreg Yes, I'm enlarging on that at the moment

@egreg Interestingly, @DavidCarlisle and I are currently discussing issues related to 8-bit fonts and Unicode engines in another context

@PauloCereda impossible to get past google's filters with such tricks so I haven't seen your message (or even know that you sent it)

@DavidCarlisle ooh Google is smart. :)

@egreg @PauloCereda bloomsbury.com/uk/soccermatics-9781472924124

The author, who is head of the Collective Behaviour Group and Professor of Applied mathematics at the University of Uppsala, has a passion for both mathematics and soccer. This book examines patterns and structures found in football, seeking to give a fresh perspective on ways to analyse “the beautiful game”. Readers are assumed to be soccer fanatics,

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@PauloCereda Start of a review from London mathematical Society newsletter:-)

@DavidCarlisle nice!

@PauloCereda it didn't mention anything about ducks or cricket though, so perhaps not for you

@DavidCarlisle First remark: s/soccer/football/g :)

@DavidCarlisle I might check the blue book of cricket rules. :)

@PauloCereda blame @barbarabeeton

@David: you got spam.

@PauloCereda ooh so I have:-)

@PauloCereda Maybe you recognize this one:

@DavidCarlisle :)

@egreg It looks like Pulp Fiction. :)

Hi Egreg, good morning from Sicily to all.

This chat is very nice

@Sebastiano: Ciao!

Ciao Paulo

My Italian is very limited. :)

do not be worry

my English is very very limited

:)

Do you like Calcio?

few years ago, yes. now, no.

Oh I see. Do you like any team?

Inter

do you know?

ooh don't mention that to @egreg. :)

why????? ahahhahah

Yes, I am a big fan of the Italian calcio. :)

Where are you from?

I am from Brazil.

:).

My uncle told me that Brazil is a beautiful place.

Mum is originally from Italy, so I am half Italian. :)

ah!

I have understand

He is right, Brazil is very beautiful. :) But it's a huge country!

infact.

is true

Do you use TeX a lot?

Yes, since 2002 but is not very expert.

I am a teacher of Mathematics, Physics and ICT.

Awesome!

Do not worry, no one here knows TeX. :D

How nice!

At this moment I am at school.

I have took a break. After I'll be busy with the class councils for my classroom.

:)

I am terrible with Physics!

aahahahah paulo. Also for me

ahahahha

What time is it in Brasil at this moment?

Although ducks are widely known for their physics skills. :)

2 minutes to noon. :)

ok

ahaahahhaha I do not knew for the ducks?

Ducks are naïve, yet very intelligent birds!

naïve: what do mean?

Ingenuous. :)

Ahh: In italy is NAIF. interesting for the ducks. When I was an child, I have seen a film with a duck.

oooh

I like topolino, pippo, paperino, zio paperone.

Howard e il destino del mondo: it is the title in Italian.

You can search on web. I very nice

I didn't know the Walt Disney character names in Italian! Awesome!

Topolino is mickey mouse

Pippo is Goofy

I think that paperino is Donald Duck

and zio paperone i do not knew

@Sebastiano Uncle Scrooge, probably. :)

ahhhhhh..there is a famous cartoon. Topolino e il canto di Natale.

:)

uncle in english is zio

zio paperone =(?) uncle scrooge probabily

Yes. :) In Portuguese, is Tio Patinhas. Tio is zio in Portuguese. :)

@UlrikeFischer I'm probably going to re-work the 'font guesses' in siunitx for v3: I'm hoping for good progress over the Christmas hols

Very interesting. Peraphs is i remain in this chat, i will knew the english language

ahahahah

hi Wright

Dear Paulo

ciaoooooooooo to all.

Ciao @Sebastiano!

@egreg -- simple answer: the smaller symbols and the slashed zero/empty set have nothing to do with one another. what i think (and have to verify) is that there may be only one "alternate" table, so every such variant is being plopped in there. bad. needs to be fixed, but i'm not sure how. (there are a number of other symbols in this category.) thanks for a good reference example.

@Sebastiano Ciao! I was lecturing. :(

@egreg Don't mention calcio. :)

@PauloCereda I saw nothing important about it. ;-)

@egreg Inter ooh. :)

Yay for Nihonium, Moscovium, Tennessine and Oganesson!

@egreg I hope the first 5 tests I graded do not form a good statistical sample. :-( avg 20℅

@yo' Hmm, they usually do ;-)

@JosephWright Why isn't the degree simply defined as \mbox{\textdegree}? This seems much more natural as a default than a hard coded char number.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\begin{document}
\show\textdegree
\end{document}

@UlrikeFischer ^^^

:(

@egreg #6 has 62% slightly better now...

@UlrikeFischer As I said, I'll probably revise all of the definitions over the coming weeks in working on v3, and look to back-port as much as possible to v2 (there are various areas I likely need to revisit)

@JosephWright But this is easier to address than the font guesses:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\DeclareTextSymbol{\textdegree}{EU2}{176}
\begin{document}
\show\textdegree
\end{document}

@UlrikeFischer But that is not my call (alters \textdegree globally), and is still wrong for math mode

@UlrikeFischer I'll look over all of this as a priority :)

@JosephWright but since textdegree is encoding specific, how come it didn't redefine itself to EU2 (or TU or whatever) something wrong somewhere....

@JosephWright which reminds me tuenc works:

> \textdegree=macro:
->\TU-cmd \textdegree \TU\textdegree .

@JosephWright we should make fontenc default to tu :-) ^^^^

@JosephWright But why should you suffer only because the EU1/EU2 encodings doesn't setup the command correctly? In tuenc.def it is done. Btw: \show\textdegree will show the last encoding for which the command has been setup, so it is not really reliable to decide if a definition for an encoding exists.

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Thinking about it: \textdegree is setup for EU1/2. xunicode is doing it. And if one use \tracingmacros one can see it:

\textdegree ->\OT1-cmd \textdegree \OT1\textdegree

\OT1-cmd #1#2->\ifx \protect \@typeset@protect \@inmathwarn #1\expandafter \ifx \csname \cf@encoding \string #1\endcsna
me \relax \expandafter \ifx \csname ?\string #1\endcsname \relax \expandafter \def \csname ?\string #1\endcsname {\Text
SymbolUnavailable #1}\fi \global \expandafter \let \csname \cf@encoding \string #1\expandafter \endcsname \csname ?\str
ing #1\endcsname \fi \csname \cf@encoding \string #1\expandafter \endcsname \else \noexpand #1\fi

@PauloCereda @JosephWright I rate those names as better then the Yitterby ones (WHO LET THEM NAME ALL THOSE ELEMENTS AFTER THE SAME FREAKING TOWN? I WANT TO PUNCH YOU!), but not as good as the ones named after gods (Thorium, Uranium, Neptunium, Promethium). So I'm giving them a solid Curium out of 119

(You can probably guess from my above statement which elements I just started looking into working with)

@Canageek :)

@PauloCereda My boss is happy about Nihonium- he does a lot of collaberation with Japan, did his postdoc their, speaks the language perfectly, married someone there....

Things are going well for him to: One of his friends just won the Nobel prize....

I have a new palindrome reputation (this time without an coma, extra for @DavidCarlisle :-))

Would be even nicer with 118 instead of 113 ...

@JosephWright Wouldn't that rename all my tables?

@UlrikeFischer Here's a sketch

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{textcomp}
\usepackage{fontspec}

\makeatletter
\newcommand{\showencodingcommand}[2][]{%
  \if\relax\detokenize{#1}\relax
    \sec@show{\f@encoding}{#2}%
  \else
    \sec@show{#1}{#2}%
  \fi
}
\def\sec@show#1#2{%
  \expandafter\show\csname #1\string#2\endcsname
}
\makeatother

\begin{document}

\showencodingcommand\textdegree
\showencodingcommand[TS1]\textdegree
\fontencoding{TS1}\selectfont
\showencodingcommand\textdegree

\end{document}

@egreg @Paulo ^^

@yo' Today I shocked my students by revealing them that terminology like first, second and third kind discontinuity is completely useless.

@egreg well, what is 3rd? I know 0th, 1st and 2nd...

today my students were probably shocked by the written exam...

@yo' Mine will be on Tuesday.

@yo' Haha. That made me laugh. :D

@wilx seeing the results so far, I'm not laughing...

btw, the power of TikZ is priceless!

@Canageek Depends where you put it :)

@Canageek There is a reason they are all named after Yitterby: it's not just someone's idea of a joke :)

@yo' Are you making D&D maps in LaTeX?!

@JosephWright Finding them all in the same mine doesn't mean you name them all after the town. Name some after the county the mine is in, some after the chemist who separated them, some after the country, some after mythology....

@JosephWright Otherwise we'd have something like a dozen named after Los Alamos and Berkley.

@JosephWright I'm surprised that isn't part of the suppinfo environment.

@Canageek not dnd, this is floor tiling design

@Canageek The intention in achemso is that the two files will be entirely separate: the environments for the statement about what is in the SI

@yo' That is much less interesting.

@JosephWright OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

@Canageek if you think so :)

@JosephWright I thought it was odd that I was putting that stuff in the same file. Guess I should split that out when I reformat it for the RSC

@Canageek Not my fault they didn't actually ask me about the setup for the RSC (they just used some of my stuff)

@JosephWright I mean, I'll make it two files when I switch from achemso to the RSC template. Wonder what I use for citations for submitting to them.

@JosephWright (My boss just asked if we can just submit the ACS formatted document to Dalton, do you know?)

@Canageek 'Probably'

@yo' No dragons = less interesting, in music, movies and LaTeX ;)

@Canageek Like this?

@egreg @Canageek @PauloCereda reminds me of this:

@yo' That's an Italian cartoon: the little dragon wants to become a fireman.

@egreg cool!

@yo' I thought it was a crossword:-)

@DavidCarlisle and no vowels

@yo' but lots of accents to make up for the deficiency

@DavidCarlisle increase the lost entropy :D

Then I saw this and completely lost it

@percusse An obvious inequality!