TeX, LaTeX and Friends

David Carlisle

12:12 AM

@egreg I was going to suggest that too:-)

Paulo Cereda

12:42 AM

Sierra installing. Fingers crossed.

Joseph Wright

7:56 AM

@PauloCereda Success?

@PauloCereda Was at the Apple shop yesterday so took a look at the 'live' version: don't see anything actually useful ...

Joseph Wright

8:29 AM

@egreg We really should sort out a proper expl3 programming book ...

egreg

@JosephWright Slowly

Joseph Wright

@egreg True, but I feel we (the team, you, other interested parties) should really 'get together' about this properly

Torbjørn T.

9:08 AM

@egreg Link posted in the twentysecondcv-Q.

egreg

9:23 AM

@TorbjørnT. I was afraid it would point to that site. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

9:45 AM

@JosephWright Yes, Sierra is working. :)

@JosephWright Nothing special from El Capitan, to be honest. Just the inclusion of Siri.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright like my detailed chunkname example? :-)

David Carlisle

10:17 AM

@egreg hmm clearly modelling \color syntax on font change syntax was a great idea, allowing interesting CV classes.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda OK, much as I suspected

@DavidCarlisle ;)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Whose idea was it? :P

Joseph Wright

@egreg Probably Chris ...

egreg

@JosephWright :( You know what I was expecting. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yes, byes: at least it wasn't me (see starred comment)

Paulo Cereda

10:28 AM

@JosephWright Everything is working so far, so I think it's a pretty safe update for El Capitan users.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Frank said something about Xcode being more tricky (SVN version or ...?)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I have Xcode 8 so far (the full bundle, not just the command lnie tools), no problems at the moment.

egreg

@PauloCereda There was recently a question about the shell not finding TeX binaries on Sierra; can you check, please?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Sure! ˆˆ

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda command -v pdftex?

Paulo Cereda

10:36 AM

oxford:~ paulo$ command -v pdftex
/Library/TeX/texbin/pdftex

@JosephWright boo which is better <3

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Read extensive discussion on this!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh no! :)

Joseph Wright

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Q: Why not use "which"? What to use then?

When looking for the path to an executable or checking what would happen would you enter a command name in a Unix shell, there's a plethora of different utilities (which, type, command, whence, where, whereis, whatis, hash, etc). We often hear that which should be avoided. Why? What should we us...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh my

egreg

@JosephWright VVVV

> which which
which is aliased to `type -all'

Joseph Wright

10:42 AM

@egreg Perhaps

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Thanks. :)

Joseph Wright

U:\>which which
C:\Program Files (x86)\Gow\bin\which.EXE

@egreg ^^^ :)

egreg

@JosephWright /me running for life

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright LOL

Joseph Wright

@egreg At work, if I want a Mac I'll have to pay for it myself (or from a grant that allows it), whereas the PC was just 'here' in my office when I started

Paulo Cereda

10:55 AM

[paulo@cambridge Hagar the horrible] $ which -a which
alias which='(alias; declare -f) | /usr/bin/which --tty-only --read-alias --read-functions --show-tilde --show-dot'
	/usr/bin/which
/usr/bin/which

@egreg, @JosephWright: ^^ :) (don't mind my folder)

David Carlisle

11:06 AM

$ type -all vim
bash: type: vim: not found

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I have the opposite ;-)

U:\>which vim
C:\Program Files (x86)\Gow\bin\vim.EXE

U:\>which emacs
which: no emacs in (.;C:\ProgramData\Oracle\Java\javapath;C:\Windows\system32;C:
\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\texlive\2016\bin\win32;C:\Program Files (x8
6)\Gow\bin;C:\Program Files\SlikSvn\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Git\cmd;C:\Progra
m Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\pub;C:\Program Files\gs\gs9.18\bin;C:\Program Files\shel
x64;C:\Program Files\gnuplot\bin;C:\Python27\;C:\Python27\Scripts;C:\MantidInsta
ll\bin;C:\MantidInstall\PVPlugins;C:\MantidInstall\plugins;C:\Program Files\AppS

I guess Vim is smaller ...

David Carlisle

@JosephWright no wonder beamer is such a mess

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright and better.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda much smaller in my case

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Joseph Wright

11:10 AM

@PauloCereda bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37451043 :(

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh my!

Alenanno

11:25 AM

Are there questions about mapping numbers to letters or viceversa on this site? I can't seem to find anything like it.

Torbjørn T.

@Alenanno There are most likely questions on displaying the value of counters as letters somewhere.

Alenanno

@TorbjørnT. Ah yeah, I'm aware of that. But I was looking for something random in a sense. I'll try to see what I can do about it :D

Guilherme Z. Santos

11:40 AM

Hey guys I just took an interest on this KOMA-script thing, I've been reading for half an hour now all TeX.SX insights on it but couldn't get if there is something that KOMA-script offers more than the usual LaTeX packages. Like, what's easier with KOMA, or is there something only KOMA can offer?? Can someone give me a hand here..

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I believe the user manual is one of the better resources, although I recall the German version is way better than the English counterpart.

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Also, KOMA is one of my favourite classes. :)

@GuilhermeZ.Santos It's like memoir, there are lots and lots of features available.

Joseph Wright

12:09 PM

@GuilhermeZ.Santos KOMA includes a lot of functionality in one coherent class: I favour the 'one package at a time' approach but this does mean finding them, working with different interfaces, etc.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright also, it's German. <3

Guilherme Z. Santos

12:28 PM

@PauloCereda Germans are awesome but German language... gives me nightmares, Jesus what a tough thing!

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Deutsch ist nicht ein Zehrkomplicatedlanguage.

^^ see? :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

I think you meant ist nicht einfach sprechen right?

Joseph Wright

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Talk to @DavidCarlisle: the master of all languages

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I need @DavidCarlisle for that. :)

@JosephWright ooh great minds think alike.

Guilherme Z. Santos

he already gave me his Inputs on the matter ahahahaah

And thank's for the replies. The package thing sure sounds attractive, but what sort of packages could I lose. Huge ones like Tikz? or Basic ones, like graphicx, array, etc?

David Carlisle

12:32 PM

@PauloCereda it's easy, just use English, but move the verb somewhere unexpected, uppercase the occasional first letter and miss out three quarters of the spaces.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda I started the Manual but I was already tired of reading so I though some conversation with the TeXmasters would come in Handy.

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@DavidCarlisle LOL, precisely my first thoughts!

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad Wandering into another SE site I see where your question about gender balance on the LaTeX team probably came from ...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Again, there are no Apache helicopters in the team.

(@JosephWright: for reference: knowyourmeme.com/memes/…) :)

Ulrike Fischer

1:00 PM

@GuilhermeZ.Santos No. KOMA concentrates on document layout and structure. So you should avoid to use packages like fancyhdr, titlesec, etoc (probably). captions tries to stay compatible with KOMA. lists (enumitem) aren't imho currently not a problem either. The manual isn't an easy read (even for germans), and I never understood the keyval system of KOMA.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@UlrikeFischer Thank's for that. I think I can rest easy now. I'll stay with memoir and If there's ever more development or I get more curious about it I'll give it a try. But for me there's still much to learn on LaTeX... :D

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Actually both (memoir and KOMA) are very similar. :) For arara, I use memoir, which seems a bit herectic as our group has several Germans. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@GuilhermeZ.Santos memoir is imho in the same league as KOMA and both are better than the standard class. memoir quite a number of features from packages "built-in", so you should check the documentation before loading a package.

Guilherme Z. Santos

1:18 PM

@UlrikeFischer yes I know that, and I check its documentation when I want to do something before going for packages. memoir has a very nice documentation, a bit extensive but since there are lots of features I belive extensive is suiting.

@PauloCereda why arara with memoir? is there some sort of incompatibilty? Or it's just to mess with the Germans? ;D

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Brent is in my team, and he is a memoir evangelist. :) Actually, I started with memoir and discovered KOMA a couple of months later. But my choice doesn't matter in the end, I use KOMA in other situations. :)

yo'

@PauloCereda and I never used either, still happily living :-)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' You happy person. <3

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Yeah, very much evangelist, he answered one of the KOMA vs. memoir questions totally defending memoir

@yo' there are People that live hapily with Word, so everything is possible. In Brazil we say "Tudo vale a vena quando a alma não é pequena." (everything is worth it when the spirits are not small -- makes Little sense in English).

Paulo Cereda

1:34 PM

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Personally, I keep saying to people, I always prefer a good Word user than a bad TeX/LaTeX user. :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda definitely, my point was to the stress that it causes when typesetting (Images, cross-references, and the list goes on and on).

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos A couple of years ago, a friend of mine was asked to see Ambev's current system because the high executives were thinking of migrating stuff to "better technologies" (stupid bowtie executives). My friend dropped his jaw when he saw everything was running so smoothly with... Excel + VBA.

yo'

@GuilhermeZ.Santos the difference is that Ičm confident in saying that I can output as beautiful thing with or withkut the big classes, whereas a Word user can't (at least not in maths)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Nice! IMHO, Excel is the one truly good thing Microsoft did. I like PowerPoint too but there are also very good alternatives to it. Don't get me wrong I like to use programming language as well but for fast and small analysis Excel is great.

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos If you like Excel, take a look at this talk: youtube.com/watch?v=0nbkaYsR94c

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Guilherme Z. Santos

1:44 PM

@PauloCereda When I was writing my term paper there was this guy writing his master Thesis. In the end, when he printed a few test pages he saw that the Graphs he made and imported to word in PNG were all very crappy, so he had to Change all Graphs and resize them... (there were other complications as well but since there were a lot of Graphs that was very boring, with LaTeX that would've been done in compilation time) =D

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos ew a graph. :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda I'll check it out when I get home. Company does not YouTube and stuff like that.

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos GEMA? :)

@Johannes: ^^ let us see if this bloke is blessed.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Nein, Liebherr...

@PauloCereda Wait, what is GEMA?

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Oh I meant this entity GEMA that blocks certain copyrighted videos.

@GuilhermeZ.Santos it's something that prevents German people from being trolled by me.

@Guilherme: in your case, it was a legit video, don't worry. :) It's a talk by Joel Spolksy about hidden features in Excel.

Guilherme Z. Santos

1:49 PM

@PauloCereda lol, but since I'm in Germany you can't troll me as well... (hidden Features, I'm interested...)

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos It's a very interesting talk, even if you don't use Excel. During his talk, if you are an Excel user, you end up realizing you've been using Excel all this time in the wrong way.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda And here I thought mastering Excel without using VBA was all about INDIRECT...

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda You meet people who don't know Excel can add things up, so compared to that I hope we are all safe!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda No, really: I'm talking people in our teaching classes adding values up on their phones and typing the result into Excel

Paulo Cereda

1:54 PM

@JosephWright Holy cow, you got to be kidding!

Guilherme Z. Santos

@JosephWright This is a joke I hope.

Joseph Wright

@GuilhermeZ.Santos No, I really am serious

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I guess because tables in Word don't do arithmetic ...

Guilherme Z. Santos

@JosephWright This is sad...

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos You probably saw something along those lines in UFSC too (as I saw this in USP).

StrongBad

@JosephWright sort of, it just reminded me. I had been curious before and just never asked.

Joseph Wright

2:02 PM

@StrongBad Fair enough

StrongBad

@JosephWright I have been involved in some all male panels recently (some "intentional" and some because the women all declined).

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad Oh, I'm not denying there are issues

StrongBad

My field is pretty active in tracking gender imbalances. Not so active in doing anything about them, but at least the tracking.

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad Indeed

@StrongBad What's your area?

StrongBad

@JosephWright Something like Audiology but with a science/engineering background and not clinical background (think MP3s and hearing aid design).

I really wish more fields would do something like biaswatchneuro.com

Paulo Cereda

2:09 PM

@StrongBad oooh that's awesome!

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad For those of us not familiar, what does this do?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright There's a bloke in the picture resembling Arthur. :)

StrongBad

They track gender breakdown of conference panels and match compare them to "base rates" where base rate is based on who is getting grants or publishing papers. If a panel is 30 percent women and the base rate is 30% that is okay, but if it is only 10% and the base rate is 40% that is bad (in their eyes).

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad Ah

@StrongBad By 'conference panel' you mean list of invited speakers? Or all speakers, including contributed ones, or ...?

StrongBad

@JosephWright they do what they can. Sometimes they split speakers vs poster presenters, sometimes invited vs contributed.

Joseph Wright

2:14 PM

@StrongBad I ask mainly because 'panel' is not a term I've come across at all in conferences - must be subject-dependent

StrongBad

@JosephWright a panel, at least in my mind, are the speakers for an individual session (say 5-10 speakers).

Paulo Cereda

@StrongBad Like invited talks?

David Carlisle

@StrongBad I've only seen "panel" used if they are all on the platform at the same time usually for some kind of audience involvement discussion session with a panel of speakers on the platform to keep things on topic.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda I've experienced some sad ignorance, that's for sure, but nothing like so in University (at least in the technology center, on human sciences and health department, a whole new deal)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda m@DavidCarlisle I need some bash foo. I'm trying to convert Mac screenshot filenames which contain multiple . in them. So I want to change all dots except the one from the extension to _. Right now I have for f in *.png; do mv "$f" "${f//\./_}"; done but this changes all.

Paulo Cereda

2:26 PM

@AlanMunn Ah hold on.

David Carlisle

probably in the loop j=${f/.png} mv ${j}.png ${j//\./_}.png

$ ls *.*.png
e04nk-asp.net.png  numbertest.1.png  'Schermafbeelding 2014-11-25 om 13.14.26.png'


$ for f in *.*.png ; do j=${f/.png/}; echo mv ${j//\./_} ${j}.png; done
mv e04nk-asp_net e04nk-asp.net.png
mv numbertest_1 numbertest.1.png
mv Schermafbeelding 2014-11-25 om 13_14_26 Schermafbeelding 2014-11-25 om 13.14.26.png

@AlanMunn tested this time^

@AlanMunn although if as above there are spaces in the filenames you need some extra quotes in the mv command :-)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's already done.

Paulo Cereda

2:41 PM

@AlanMunn: Ugly:

"$(echo ${X%.*} | tr '.' '_').${X##*.}"

David Carlisle

actually that's the version copying in wrong direction:-)

@PauloCereda it's cheating to use tr in a bash foo question

$ for f in *.*.png ; do j=${f/.png/}; echo mv $f ${j//\./_}.png; done
mv e04nk-asp.net.png e04nk-asp_net.png
mv numbertest.1.png numbertest_1.png
mv Schermafbeelding 2014-11-25 om 13.14.26.png Schermafbeelding 2014-11-25 om 13_14_26.png

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle <3

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda my first thought was to post a dired answer (you'd have liked that)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Yes, fixed in my script. :) Thanks!

Paulo Cereda

2:47 PM

@DavidCarlisle: nobody bats an eye on clearer solutions like mine. <3

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda mine's more impressive as the example has big german words in it

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oooh

egreg

2:59 PM

@PauloCereda Wouldn't “if . is not followed by png<end-of-string>, change . into _” be simpler?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Actually, my solution works for any extension. :)

Joseph Wright

@cfr Of course installation rights vary with your 'local' situation: we have a luckily-sensible policy that recognises that there is lots of software we need on a per-person basis (I have a huge list of things on my PC that are not general for the university)

yo'

Does TeXworks support regex lookbehind?

Joseph Wright

@cfr I suspect if we weren't allowed that we also wouldn't be allowed non-supported OS installs (think corporate set-ups)

@yo' No

yo'

@JosephWright Stupid. (No offence to the maintainers meant. I mean, the situation is stupid, not them.)

Joseph Wright

3:05 PM

@yo' Aren't they not-actually-regular

@yo' TeXworks uses Qt editor for this: not something they write

yo'

@JosephWright they are regular in a specific sense.

Note that lookahead is supported

actually, (?<=a)b(?=c) is no different from (a)b(c) from the automata perspecitve, you just highlight a smaller part of the string, the problem is basically only with (?<!regex)

@JosephWright please, when degree centigrade is meant as a relative measure (such as in "loss of strength of 1\,MPa/°C"), it ought to be written as "deg", right?

Johannes_B

3:36 PM

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Out of interest, where are you?

Joseph Wright

@yo' Huh? The unit symbol °C all of the time

yo'

@JosephWright so even the relative measure is denoted °C ? Ok

Joseph Wright

@yo' Yes

@yo' Still has units

yo'

@JosephWright ok. I've seen things like J/kg\,deg, so I'm just asking...

David Carlisle

3:52 PM

ohh I wonder if I should go to xkcd live:-) bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/stores/oxford-bookshop/events

yo'

@DavidCarlisle oh yes!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ^^ could you ask him to sign my copy? :)

yo'

@PauloCereda in Portuguese? Maybe if @David himself helps Randall with that

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Exactly. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda see the event small print, blackwells only let you get a book signed if you can prove you bought it there

Paulo Cereda

4:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle Oh.

@JosephWright ^^ :(

David Carlisle

@yo' xkcd.eu

yo'

@DavidCarlisle some are certainly untranslatable...

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I'll sort a bit later on

Did anyone else get the SO careers email? They seem to have forgotten about plain text ...

yo'

@JosephWright ummmm no I think

David Carlisle

@JosephWright don't think so, but I may have spam filter'd it (I have a fairly aggressive filter:-)

speaking of events in Oxford, just had confirmation of this, I don't suppose anyone else here is going

Thank you for registering for SPQR a digital legacy: what Sebastian Patrick Quintus Rahtz did for us





Leonard Wolfson Lecture Theatre

Wolfson College, Linton Rd, Oxford OX2 6UD



Tuesday 27th September 2016

10.30am – 5.00pm



Coffee will be made available in the Buttery from 10.00am.



For directions to Wolfson please visit here.

yo'

4:09 PM

Did I tell you I love redoing manually input (Name at al., 2015) citation style using \cite? :-/

Joseph Wright

yo'

@JosephWright is it digitally signed? Could be scam...

Joseph Wright

@yo' No, but there are no obvious dodgy links or whatever

yo'

@JosephWright ok

Joseph Wright

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yo'

4:10 PM

What in the world is netnames.net? Shall one really believe that SO uses their solutions?

Joseph Wright

@yo' Brand management people I think

David Carlisle

@JosephWright do you have a stackoverflow CV ?

Ulrike Fischer

4:33 PM

@JosephWright: I hate beamer ;-). Why is \textwidth=\paperwidth in the footline? I didn't expect this! ;-((

yo'

@UlrikeFischer because you don't need to preserve margins in the footer?

Ulrike Fischer

4:55 PM

@yo' well I don't mind that the footer is set in a box of width \paperwidth. But when I (or in this case some external code) add a line of width \textwidth it can be disturbing if it suddenly goes over the complete frame ;-(.

egreg

5:11 PM

@DavidCarlisle Finally we'll know what the Romans have done for us! With all due respect for SPQR, obviously.

Guilherme Z. Santos

5:24 PM

@Johannes_B In a small city near Memmingen. It's called Ochsenhausen, where a Liebherr fridge manufecturer is located (my work place). Are you German?

Johannes_B

@GuilhermeZ.Santos yes, Freiberg, saxony.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@Johannes_B Hmmm, great country you guys have here, if it wasn't such complicated language (for the non language masters like me) I would most likely stick around... ;D

Johannes_B

@GuilhermeZ.Santos The language isn't hard. Ask @PauloCereda, he has perfect german skills.

:-)

Paulo Cereda

@Guilherme: don't be fooled by ~~the rocks that I got~~ Johannes, he is ~~Jenny from the block~~ a penguin. :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda LOL

Paulo Cereda

5:28 PM

@Johannes_B Ja, Ich spreche sehr gut Deutsch!

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Gut gemacht! Aber ich spreche sehr wenig Deutsch... Though I'm taking classes, so I'll be improving my Germand in the next months. Be advised... ;D

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I know almost nothing of German, I only know few important phrases like Ein Bier, bitte. If I need more than one, I will just do unary addition, so Ein Ein Bier, bitte.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@Johannes_B I don't know how many languages he speak, but for me it's the fourth one (I speak some french) so that's really a huge mess in my mind

Paulo Cereda

Such an easy language. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda I thought you would mention the Eierlöffel. :-)

Paulo Cereda

5:32 PM

@Johannes_B ooh I almost forgot! Hold on!

Johannes_B

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Good start, keep on learning. :-)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Hahaha. To know "Ein Bier" ist sehr wichtig!

Paulo Cereda

@Guilherme: this is also a very important sentence: Ich kann mit einem Eierlöffel Fledermäuse töten.

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda That I didn't get. Google Translator please help. :P

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I can kill bats with an egg spoon.

You asked for it. :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

5:35 PM

@PauloCereda Thanks for that, google wasn't much help... lol

@PauloCereda Entschuldigung is also a nice word to know. It's like "Excuse me" or "I'm sorry"

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Indeed. :) I have a lovely story about that word! Let me just google the "correct" word I am looking for.

Johannes_B

This is what happens when you reply to spam email | James Veitch

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Paulo Cereda

@Guilherme: in CS, we have a famous problem known as the halting problem. Some people even refer to it as Entscheidungsproblem. One day I was in the cafe and tried to be fancy with a friend of mine, but instead of Entscheidungsproblem, I said Entschuldigungproblem. Instead of problema da parada, I ended up with problema da desculpa. :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Yeah, that's right! Hahaha

David Carlisle

\usepackage{fermat}

4

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Q: shrink page to allow optional annotations or margin notes

I am working on a lab manual that will have a student version and an instructor version. I'd like the instructor version to be like an annotated copy of the student version, perhaps with the content from each page of the student version shrunk into a box that can have instructor notes around it....

notes size annotations resize

Paulo Cereda

5:48 PM

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@DavidCarlisle It might require \usepackage[latin]{babel}

egreg

@PauloCereda However, the margin would always be too small.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh no!

egreg

@PauloCereda \usepackage{iffermathadthis}

Paulo Cereda

@egreg \usepackage[andrewwiles]{fermat}

egreg

@PauloCereda That makes too big documents

Paulo Cereda

5:52 PM

@egreg oh no!

Guilherme Z. Santos

@Johannes_B LOL³ this is really, really amusing!

Johannes_B

@GuilhermeZ.Santos That's why i wanted to share it with you. :-)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@Johannes_B And I thank you for that. I belive I will have some fun from now on. Creating email account.

yo'

@UlrikeFischer ah \textwidth not \linewidth! Sorry, I missed this. Yeah, it looks unfortunate...

Johannes_B

@GuilhermeZ.Santos :-)

Guilherme Z. Santos

5:59 PM

@Johannes_B You must watch the sequence! youtube.com/watch?v=24pWt0aYjfU

Johannes_B

@GuilhermeZ.Santos :-D

Guilherme Z. Santos

6:51 PM

@PauloCereda I just watched the video. The guy is really good, I was pleased to see that I'm not a baby user, I knew pretty much 90% of the first part. But the second was very much enlighting! Thanks!

Paulo Cereda

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Oh I am glad you enjoyed it. :)

Guilherme Z. Santos

@PauloCereda Yes very much. The guy talking is crazy fast, he seems to be on a lot of coffee ahaha.

Paulo Cereda

7:04 PM

@GuilhermeZ.Santos :)

cfr

7:59 PM

@PauloCereda Cwac! @JosephWright @DavidCarlisle @expl3generally \tl_show:n and \tl_show:N don't seem to be in the L3 docs in their own right, but are referred to in the descriptions of \tl_log:n and \tl_log:N.

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Cwac! Miss you!

egreg

@cfr Pages 107 and 108 of the current version of interface3.pdf. Part XI, section 11

David Carlisle

8:12 PM

@egreg I knew that, I'm sure

barbara beeton

8:27 PM

@PauloCereda -- one for you, i think: tex.stackexchange.com/q/331067

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton To the rescue!

egreg

@PauloCereda We need you! tex.stackexchange.com/questions/331067/…

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- thank you, quack.

egreg

@barbarabeeton Oh, I pointed to the same!

barbara beeton

@egreg -- for once, i seem to have got there first!

egreg

8:30 PM

@barbarabeeton :)

David Carlisle

what a coincidence @Werner's translation as exactly the same as what I would have used.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton I even managed to fake being american

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- never!

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton I could edit again and fix the spelling to centre if you prefer

barbara beeton

8:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- nah, that would seem too much like trying too hard.

Joseph Wright

Yes, it is possible. — gernot 1 min ago

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton but well spotted on the problem I'd read it but gave up as there was no example. @JosephWright should give an xgalley or coffin answer in some parallel universe the problem doesn't arise:-)

Joseph Wright

Great reply to a 'Can this be drawn?' question :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright use your mod powers to make that an answer

yo'

@JosephWright troll level "acceptable"

Torbjørn T.

8:52 PM

@JosephWright Deleted now.

cfr

9:10 PM

@egreg Thank you. Any idea why Okular doesn't Find things in interface.pdf? This is the second time this has happened to me ...

egreg

@cfr Use a smarter viewer. With Skim I find it. Of course you need Mac OS X, but…

cfr

@egreg Okular is the smartest I've found. I am not going back to Mac OS X! Not as bad as Windows, I grant you, but not good either.

egreg

@PauloCereda Speaking of Mac OS X, today I got a message from our computing service saying not to upgrade to Sierra, because Matlab doesn't run on it.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yes, I'd seen that

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh @percusse would be very worried. :)