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12:44 AM
Fubá is sleeping nearby. :)
 
 
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6:08 AM
@PauloCereda No meese found but there were ducks right below the Niagara Falls! latex-community.org/home/latex-community/93-conferences/…
 
 
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7:31 AM
@DavidCarlisle Do we have a duplicate, or do you want to answer? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/301417/…
 
7:44 AM
@UlrikeFischer Thank you for your solution to my kotex with miktex font problem yesterday, everything works great now!
 
 
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10:13 AM
@StefanKottwitz Photos or didn't happen. :)
 
@StefanKottwitz -- also cormorants. not used to seeing them in absolutely fresh water.
 
@barbarabeeton Yay! <3
 
@PauloCereda -- oh ye of little faith! i vouch for the ducks. but no moose; it's too heavily populated. didn't even seen any signs on the highway to watch out for deer. the last tie i was i the niagara falls area. there were not nearly so many people/tourists. but i've never really been to toronto before, except in and out of an airport. it's big. it has swallowed all of the surrounding suburbs. sprawling like los angeles.
@PauloCereda -- only here on line for a very short time. must check mail before we go on another excursion. have to get a form and fill it out so that we (both gordon and i) can go on yet another excursion when we get back to rhode island.
 
10:31 AM
@barbarabeeton Yay ducks! :) The visit was surely awsome, I hope everybody in the bus enjoyed greatly!
@barbarabeeton ooh excursion plans. :)
 
 
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3:00 PM
@egreg ^^
@DavidCarlisle: Quack! :)
 
3:26 PM
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A: Count of "a"s and "b"s must be equal. Did you get it computer?

xnorPython 3, 32 bytes eval(input().translate(")("*50)) Outputs via exit code: Error for false, no error for True. The string is evaluated as Python code, replacing parens ( for a and ) for b. Only expressions of the form a^n b^n become well-formed expressions of parentheses like ((())), evaluati...

There are some clever people out there in code golf land.
@PauloCereda Very cute. But the Debussy hands are too far apart from each other.
 
@AlanMunn :)
@AlanMunn: speaking of Cage, I suppose they are talking of John Cage. The first time I saw a prepared piano, it gave me shivers. :)
@AlanMunn Very nice indeed! I once saw prime number checking with regex in the same lines of this code. :)
 
@PauloCereda Bach had hands like a Terminator? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I will be... Bach! /wears sunglasses
 
@PauloCereda No problem at all ;-)
@PauloCereda: Listing to another form of Bach .... Metallica ;-)
 
3:42 PM
@ChristianHupfer Master of puppets, I am pulling your strings? :)
(I am wearing a Pink Floyd tee at the moment)
 
3:58 PM
@PauloCereda Unfortunately the Cage image reflects the cliché that Cage has become in the public mind, namely the guy who wrote 4'33''.
 
@AlanMunn oh :)
 
4:20 PM
Has anybody had a look at the documentation site. I just want to run and hide.
 
@AlanMunn No: where is it?
 
@AlanMunn There will probably be an available bunker. After all, you have the Trump/Clinton combo going on. :)
 
@PauloCereda The two aren't on the same level of awful by a long shot.
 
@AlanMunn Indeed, but still. :)
 
5:09 PM
@AlanMunn Still don't see the point (or how it's different to say WikiBooks or ...)
 
@JosephWright Bit more organized, but very limited. I don't see the point either.
 
@JosephWright I think it has the potential to be worse than wiki books.
 
5:32 PM
@AlanMunn Oh wow. And Wikibooks is really f**ked up.
@AlanMunn in general, or localized to LaTeX?
 
5:43 PM
Back to Italy, later a report
 
6:04 PM
@Johannes_B Well maybe worse for LaTeX. I don't have much sense for the other parts. But documenting a language is not the same as documenting a mode of document creation. And therein lies the real problem.
@Johannes_B Although TeX is a language, it's function is very different, and what people need to learn is how do stuff properly much more than how the language itself works. So it's more akin to documenting data structures w.r.t particular problems than the language itself.
@Johannes_B And philosophically I have a real problem with documentation that is intended to be "unbiased". The whole notion of "best practices" is inherently biased (as it should be) and I don't think that teaching people what you can do (even when you really shouldn't) is the role of good documentation. But this is a bit of the difference between user documentation and a reference manual. But the problem with TeX is not the lack of reference manuals.
@Johannes_B That's why the LaTeX Companion was so good.
 
6:42 PM
@AlanMunn Plug and play?
 
@Everyone Can we reopen tex.stackexchange.com/questions/320659/beamer-temporal-problem? I think I have guessed what the question is actually about.
 
7:40 PM
@Johannes_B I'm not sure what you mean by that in this context.
 
@AlanMunn LaTeX is just plug and play. No need to learn anything. Just do it.
 
@Johannes_B No, not at all. The issue what is to be learned.
 
@AlanMunn Overleaf, Sharelatex, L-templates?
They provide tempaltes
 
@Johannes_B You should keep that spelling. :)
 
@AlanMunn Probably. :-) Know what i mean?
 
7:46 PM
@Johannes_B You are becoming a troll. :)
 
@AlanMunn Why? :-(
 
@Johannes_B Because surely you don't think that what I meant had anything to do with Sharelatex or templates?
 
@PauloCereda Yesterday I went to Zadar (in Italian Zara), which was for a long time a Venetian town. This morning I went to the lakes of Plitviče, a truly magnificent location. Journey back through the middle of Croatia back to Rijeka and then home. In all 1133 km. Still I'm a bit worried about the car from Bielefeld.
 
@AlanMunn I do think, that LaTeX is quite a thing. And to use it, you need to know a bit about it. The former metioned websites confuse that, and i don't like that.
 
@Johannes_B Right, but what has that got to do with what I was talking about? Or maybe you're trolling yourself. :)
 
7:54 PM
@AlanMunn I just don't like the current state.
@AlanMunn I think, there is a small conflict between (Word-users* who like to do stuff and other users who want to create content. One part of them, would be lucky to use plain. And they are not, because they are using LaTeX. Different expectations ... i think
 
@PauloCereda And in one of the lakes there were, guess what? Ducks!
 
@Johannes_B My experience with Word users (which is extensive) is that they just do things without much though to how, which is really the way Word is designed (i.e., it's not their fault). But again this is a separate discussion from the issue of a documentation project for LaTeX.
 
@AlanMunn Yes, ok. Other thing: Difference between the standard classes, memoir and KOMA (not to metion all those more specific cases). You would need a batallion of people describin the differences. And who reads it?
 
On a totally other topic: does anyone here have any knowledge of Scientific Workplace?
 
@AlanMunn I had some experiences in editing the “LaTeX code” some user produced with the predecessor Scientific Word. Some bits were hilarious. But possibly it was the user's fault.
@AlanMunn I remember some simple \overline done with strings of \_
 
8:08 PM
@egreg Do you know if there's a way to use a local package or class?
@egreg Eeek!
 
@AlanMunn Never used it. You know, it only runs on Windoze.
 
@egreg Not any more...opportunity awaits you. :)
 
@AlanMunn Yes, sure! I'll go and buy it next month.
@AlanMunn “With its entirely new Mozilla-based architecture…”
@AlanMunn And just $799, it's a bargain!
 
@egreg That sounds super promising!
 
8:37 PM
@egreg I believe the car was a bug in the Matrix. :)
@egreg Yay! :)
 
@PauloCereda Just now got your 'I'll be Bach' joke. :)
 
@AlanMunn Terrible, isn't it? :)
 
@PauloCereda In the best way.
 
@AlanMunn Which is good, right? :)
 
@PauloCereda :)
@DavidCarlisle Another person having problems with one of your packages. tex.stackexchange.com/q/320802/2693
 
8:47 PM
@AlanMunn if they didn't use colour in tables, and didn't use rowspans, they would be fine.
 
@DavidCarlisle True. There's no accounting for taste.
@DavidCarlisle Proposed rewrite of `colortbl`:
\ProvidesPackage{colortbl}[v. final 2016/07/24]
\PackageWarning{Please use TikZ}
\endinput
 
@AlanMunn s/tikz/picture mode/ but anyway I answered it, I'm sure the technique is documented on the stackexcange documentation site, although I didn't check.
 
@DavidCarlisle I was just about to propose that as the rewrite of TikZ. :)
@DavidCarlisle It's the kind of thing that the good documentation writer puts first to get it out of the way.
@DavidCarlisle Except @UlrikeFischer has a better solution.
 
@AlanMunn I was going to answer that way originally but (a) it's no fun and (b) simple hhline examples always collapse to \cline, so that may just be an artefact of the MWE and that hhline has more use in the real case.
 
 
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11:16 PM
Statistics are no substitute for judgement.
		-- Henry Clay

[paulo@nineveh ~] $
Hi from nineveh. :)
 
@PauloCereda New machine?
 
@AlanMunn One that arose from the dead. :)
 
@StefanKottwitz Hi Stefan, enjoying Toronto? (my hometown).
@PauloCereda :D
 
@PauloCereda A lot of zombie processes, I assume? ;-) I.e. vim, vi...
 
@AlanMunn It's my old alexandria, reborn as nineveh. :)
@ChristianHupfer boo
 
@PauloCereda So it's an Apple IIe?
 
@PauloCereda :-P
 
@AlanMunn Nope. :)
 
@PauloCereda More ancient than that!!!!? Ok, an Altair 8800 then.
 
@AlanMunn Too hipster. :)
 
11:22 PM
@PauloCereda LOL
@PauloCereda Hipster is an Apple IIe running CPM and emulating an Altair 8800.
 
@AlanMunn ooh :) I smell StarBucks. :)
 
@AlanMunn Yes, it's a nice spot here, full of life, and most is open even on Sunday
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes we lost our Protestant 'blue' laws long ago. Do you need restaurant recommendations?
@StefanKottwitz @barbarabeeton I'll give you some anyway. :) eater.com/maps/best-toronto-restaurants
 
@AlanMunn Thanks!
 
@StefanKottwitz I can't vouch for all of them, but the ones I do know on the list are all good, so I would trust the rest of the list too.
 
11:31 PM
@AlanMunn some are near to where we stay
 
11:44 PM
So, a number of months back my girlfriend decided not to use LaTeX for her thesis. So I didn't have to help her with TeX. However, I also used to be a bit of a word guru, so now I'm helping her avoid widows, orphans, thinkings breaking across lines, fixing the formatting of lists, etc
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes, there are many fairly close to downtown.
 
I'm no longer sure which would have been more work.....
I got most last time, and her response of me moving the entire document from Ariel to Bookman Old Style was "It actually looks like a thesis now!"
but I just found a mistake in the spacing of an enumerated list. I forgot how many fiddly bits word has
 
@Canageek Ariel is the Little Mermaid font? (jk "Arial" is the font...)
 
@AlanMunn s/Ariel/Annoying Helvetica knockoff that is somehow even more ugly, if that is possible/g
 
Dec 2 '15 at 15:46, by Paulo Cereda
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11:47 PM
@Canageek A friend of mine says if you write your thesis in LaTeX it takes a long time at the beginning, but if you write it in Word it takes a long time at the end.
@Canageek And if you're @PauloCereda it just takes a long time.
 
@AlanMunn Exactly! Wait, what...
 
@AlanMunn That's mean ... but true :-P
 
@Canageek Hey, don't knock Helvetica. It's a beautiful font if used judiciously.
 
@AlanMunn Bah. I prefer my fonts to use more then just circles and sticks.
 
@ChristianHupfer Is it really true? My impression is that you have been making steady progress in fact, and we just like to kid you a lot.
 
11:51 PM
@AlanMunn Well, my PhD thesis has been finished in 2005 -- because I started it ... If you mean @PauloCereda... ask him ;-)
 
@Canageek
http://i.stack.imgur.com/OL1Aj.png
 
@ChristianHupfer Oops.
@Canageek Where's the fun in that? :)
 
@AlanMunn I keep wanting to have enough money to be a copy of Baskerville. Tried to talk Mara into splitting it with me.
 
11:57 PM
@AlanMunn The LaTeX version is OK, but not nearly as good as the commerical one.
 
@Canageek That wasn't the LaTeX one. Do you know about the Brill font? It's very nice and free.
 
@AlanMunn No, I don't
 
@AlanMunn Nice, I might use it in mine
 

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