minority sporting report. brown university (my alma mater) has just beaten navy (my father's alma mater) at lacrosse, in the ncaa quarter finals. (they got to the quarters by beating johns hopkins, the university where i worked for two summers while in college, and, in my knowledge, one of the premier lacrosse schools.) they will face the university of maryland (the alma mater of three of my nephews) next week in philadelphia. i'll root for brown, but golly, this is agonizing!

@barbarabeeton well, you've got to choose, it's only a state of:mind: either you win either way, or you lose either way ;-)

Morning @DavidCarlisle

I know you are about :-)

@JosephWright flippin hyperref broken again

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@JosephWright Heiko seems active on site at present, perhaps he'll post a fix here and I just need to copy it to the sources:-)

@DavidCarlisle I tried with older systems and it seemed to never have worked.

@UlrikeFischer I suspect Heiko might say the input is wrong

@JosephWright Would you mind converting please? tex.stackexchange.com/a/310879/37907

Merci :-)

@JosephWright Depends on why it breaks. If it's a restriction of the dvipdfmx-drivers then one will have to use \mbox{\hyperref[lbl]{term}} but if there is a trick to get it working ...

@UlrikeFischer Yes, I wondered about that

@UlrikeFischer @JosephWright it looks like xetex drops all but the first choice in a mathchoice (it works in display mode)

@UlrikeFischer it's not the driver it's the macros (\showoutput shows there is no special for the driver to see)

@UlrikeFischer oh I think Heiko's already fixed it... (in 2012)

no, confused myself,

Good maen

@ChristianHupfer I am hungry, what's for lunch?

@ChristianHupfer Morning.

@Johannes_B Nothing in our fridge today -- We've returned from our 4-days trip to London ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Nothing here either. Fallback plan: Canned thuna

@Johannes_B Or staying hungry rather in that case :D

@ChristianHupfer I gotta eat something.

@ChristianHupfer how was the UK? (next time you'll probably need a passport a visa and 10 years notice:(

@DavidCarlisle Very nice in many occasions, but too much surveillance in my point of view. And I if hear "Mind the gap" again I will get into a rant ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Careful, the content of this coffee pot is hot.

@ChristianHupfer true but people keep killing themselves by falling in to that gap

@ChristianHupfer but I try to avoid London. mostly, we have no gaps or trains or buses round here:-)

@DavidCarlisle: My fiancée insisted on doing a big bus tour through London, alas it was on Wednesday, where HM the Queen insisted on giving her speech in the Parliament, many roads where closed and we had a quite unusual tour

@DavidCarlisle Well, I agree with this attitude

@ChristianHupfer the queen could have given you a lift in her car and reduced conjestion.

@DavidCarlisle Well, what have Queens ever done for us? And I am no British citizen, so she does not have to care about us ;-)

@Johannes_B Well, in the bath room there was a similiar sign: "Hot Water" ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Just to indicate which side is hot and which cold? Or as an actual warning sign?

@Johannes_B Actual warning sign :D

@ChristianHupfer I have seen Careful, hot signs in a german hospital once. The sign stated that the water can reach 75 degree celsius at night.

@Johannes_B actual warning sign, it's probably an EU regulation and we should brexit to be allowed to take it down:-)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle If GB should really brexit, I assume that they can close two or three terminals at Heathrow ;-)

@ChristianHupfer yay you are back! <3

@PauloCereda Yes, nice to talk to you again, after that many days of silence ;-)

@ChristianHupfer NOTLOB!

@PauloCereda No, this is Ipswhich :-P

@ChristianHupfer :)

@PauloCereda: Don't mind that unimportant building in the background ;-)

@ChristianHupfer :)

@cfr: ^^ aaaaawwwwwww that's so sweet! <3

@PauloCereda so it wasn't you that downvoted then

@DavidCarlisle Au contraire, I upvoted and I might even give it a bounty! :)

:29820743: Mutiny on the Bounty Providing :-P

@PauloCereda s/Au contraire/ar y groes/

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Stevenson's Rocket at the Science Museum!!!!!

@JosephWright see what it's come to:

$ git commit -m "adopt rotating package" rotating.dtx rotex.tex cat.eps README.txt changes.txt build.lua
fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I did wonder about raising this again ...

@JosephWright I just checked it in (svn worked better:-) but build.lua not right, I added cat.eps to docfiles = {"cat.eps"} but unless I missed something it got used for typesetting but didn't get put in tds tree 9perhaps i should have used source not doc...

@JosephWright rotating, or switching to git?

@DavidCarlisle Git, but for L3 not 2e (where as I've said I don't think a change is a good plan)

@DavidCarlisle Pleased we got that e-mail this morning: I didn't get round to it on Friday and had planned to call today

@JosephWright oh it did work, sorry. looked in wrong place

@DavidCarlisle :-) l3build does work reasonably well

@JosephWright yes but not if users set the settings wrong, which was my assumption:-)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

no news on texlive list, I hope final builds built OK.

@DavidCarlisle Ran the update this morning, only a very small number of changes

@DavidCarlisle Lots of updates will land just after the DVD, I'm sure

@JosephWright they'll get lots from me:-)

@PauloCereda <3

When is TL 2016 expected?

@cfr 2016

@cfr plan earlier this week was for texlive image to be handed over for DVD production today

Who to poke about that?

@Johannes_B arara: must be @PauloCereda's fault

@DavidCarlisle I was more thinking about the cyrillic stuff in babel.

@Johannes_B I know:-)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. Just curious.

@DavidCarlisle The user might use emacs, so the editor is the one to blame.

@PauloCereda Emacs is never to blame :-P

@ChristianHupfer s/never/always/g

@PauloCereda Naughty duck! Naughty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ChristianHupfer Quack! <3

@PauloCereda: Famous British dish: Ducks and Chips :-P

@ChristianHupfer I am flagging this message as highly offensive. :)

@PauloCereda not offensive, lekker!

@yo' Lol

Finally, xcntperchap is uploaded to CTAN.

OMG :D (Not by me: Posted by @cfr at meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/6636/…)

@ChristianHupfer ^^

@PauloCereda Ducklings and Chips ahead :-P

Good job, friends!

@JosephWright Can you do something?

@ChristianHupfer: You are a SuSE user. :) Tumbleweed?

@PauloCereda Not yet tested

@ChristianHupfer I am curious to see a rolling release based on rpm. :)

@PauloCereda I can't say anything about it at the moment. I've not even read about TumbleWeed so so far. I hope, it won't prove as... well, as tumbleweed ;-)

@ChristianHupfer :) I used Rawhide for two months, but it is insanely dangerous. So I heard Tumbleweed is more stable, as every package goes under QA quality.

@PauloCereda I hope it will be followed by 'Thereisamanbehindyou' ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Lookout of the Yard. :)

@PauloCereda Constable Pan-AM ;-)

Any native speakers around, please? @Joseph @David

@yo': Does being in the UK yesterday count too? ;-)

Is it correct to say: "Dinner at 7pm, you can come since 6pm"? I'm dubious about "since" there

@yo' hello

@PauloCereda Who will be the next interviewee?

@ChristianHupfer whoever people suggest...

@yo' No, I should rather don't make any suggestions on the usage of English :D

@yo' not since, "at" or "dinner at 7, come any time after 6" would be more informal

@DavidCarlisle any time after sounds good, I hope there's enough space on the line :)

@yo' no self respecting guest would come to a dinner that had an over full hbox on the invite

@DavidCarlisle right.

@ChristianHupfer I suggested Mojca. :)

@JosephWright: can you poke Mojca?

@PauloCereda Mojca is... the \phantom amongst the TeX.SX users? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer ^^ :)

@PauloCereda Ah... I agree. You should interview him :-P

@ChristianHupfer Her. :)

@PauloCereda It ;-)

@ChristianHupfer -- i don't think we've gone quite that far with gender indifferentiation.

@egreg Done

@barbarabeeton Watch 'MP and the Holy Grail' and listen to 'It' ;-) @PauloCereda :-P

@JosephWright Thank you. :)

experts: isn't a longtable suppose to automatically break across pages? I have a long table, with 2 columns, each columns has lot of graphcs and verbatim, but the table chops off in the middle and does not go to next page.

@Nasser Yes but it can only break between rows

@Nasser ... because verbatim does not break (really easily)

The above is a longtable.

So what should one use instead? I have looong tables and I need them to break

@Nasser: Breaking manually, perhaps

This is a longtable, with 2 columns only. One row per column. I use tables just to arrange things. @ChristianHupfer manually breaking is not possible, I change things all the time. I do not want to be like word in microsoft windows. I want an automated thing.

may be I should use twocolumn page! I just thought of it! brilliant.

@Nasser: Must be a table at all? It looks like something for paracols etc.

@ChristianHupfer table helps me arrange things on the page more easily. That is all.

Like this,

These are all longtables. Makes it easier to put things on 2 parts of the page. But I suppose I could use twocolumn package instead.

But table seems easier.

@Nasser: You meantwocolumn mode or \twocolumn command rather

@Nasser: But I am not sure you're using the correct tool here

@ChristianHupfer what else is there? either table with 2 columns, or use the package twocolumn. I simply want to put some things on one side of the page, and corresponding things opposite to it on the second half of the page. I've been using tables for this all the time. But when things gets too long, it makes problems.

But I want to be able to stop the two columns at any point. This is why table is easy.

table is a poor man's way of making a grid in latex.

@Nasser: Try the paracol package and it's \switchcolumn command -- this will synchronize the columns

@ChristianHupfer ok, thanks, will try that. I did not know about this package.

I hope it works with tex4ht also, everything I do has to also work with tex4ht. but will find out soon

@Nasser: I don't know whether it works with tex4ht and I can't guarantee about the breaks as well

@Nasser where would you want that to break, I can't see anywhere in that image where you could draw a horizontal line and say break here, you look to have overlapping non breakable objects like images.