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cfr
12:54 AM
@PauloCereda I guess you've seen overleaf.com/challenge2016 ? Be careful they don't 'collect' you!!
 
1:26 AM
I have been running a Latex compile build 24 hrs day, for the last 4 days, non-stop, and still it is only half way through! I am running it on a virtual box with Linux and that makes it sloooooow. I really need to get a new PC with Linux on it. Building Latex files can be slow for large files (actually it is tex4ht which is slow, lualatex is fast)
 
@Nasser What are you trying to build?
 
@FaheemMitha it is pages with lots of math in them., The integration tests. Here is the current page 12000.org/my_notes/CAS_integration_tests/index.htm there are about 55,000 integration in there. converting to HTML is slow., but running on virtual box does not help either.
 
@Nasser Wow, that's a lot of stuff.
 
@FaheemMitha yes. It takes about one week just to compile the latex files to HTML !
 
@Nasser That's perhaps not too surprising. How many files are there?
Is this professional stuff? If it is some kind of hobby, it's sure some hobby.
 
1:32 AM
@FaheemMitha I think about 40 or 50 pdfs in total. Some are few pages long.
 
@Nasser Oh.
 
@FaheemMitha I am student. I just run this tests as it is interesting to see CAS differences in integration.
 
@Nasser I see.
@Nasser Do you really own 4000 books?!!
 
@FaheemMitha yes. but I did not read them all ;)
 
@Nasser Wow.
@Nasser Oh. Well, I don't know how that would have been possible.
Hey, I have "A Practical Guide to Linux". Also, "Unix Power Tools".
 
1:43 AM
@FaheemMitha Unix power tools is a good book! I do not use it now, but I did before.
nowadays one can find all this information using google, and it is much faster also. So these books are not as useful as before the internet days.
 
2:27 AM
@Nasser That's true. And yes, I don't really buy computer books any longer, because of the net.
I wonder if anyone does.
 
@FaheemMitha I have not bought a computer book for long time (unless I find real cheap one at book sale). Even for engineering and math books, almost everything can now be found on the net. As I said before, paper books are dying. Everything going digital now.
I have lots of books, but when I want to find something I go to google first :)
 
@Nasser Yes, digital is more efficient.
Though if you are going to consult or read a book in detail, a paper one can be nice, because you can carry it around.
Though many people use ebook readers, I've never used one. And I still quite like paper books.
 
@FaheemMitha yes. But pdf is still better. I can search a pdf for something. With paper books, I keep flipping pages looking for something. sometimes index does not have it.
 
@Nasser Yes, search features are useful.
@Nasser where you are located?
 
2:46 AM
@FaheemMitha student at univ. Wisconsin, Madison.
 
@Nasser Oh, you're American then?
 
@FaheemMitha yes.
 
@Nasser Oh. Physics student?
 
@FaheemMitha mechanical engineering mostly
 
@Nasser Oh. In that case, you own a lot of physics books. :-)
 
2:48 AM
@FaheemMitha yes, I like physics also. But engineering is more interesting for me.
 
@Nasser Ok.
 
 
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yo'
7:23 AM
Harish Kumar reached 200k! But unfortunately, he's not here to celebrate it :(
 
7:37 AM
@HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar @HarishKumar
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Hello everyone !
 
yo'
@RomainPicot Hello!
 
@RomainPicot Bonjour!
 
8:17 AM
Congratulations @Harish
 
yo'
8:36 AM
creative typography :)
 
@yo' That was quite fashionable before the AMS released amsfonts
 
yo'
@egreg which was after 1998? :)
 
@yo' Well, no. ;-)
@yo' I think I still have somewhere a black floppy disk with the set of AMS fonts that I received from them; possibly around 1989.
 
@egreg That should go into the TeX Museum.
 
yo'
9:03 AM
+1 žfžežg sounds like a nice Czech word :) — yo' 9 secs ago
 
9:33 AM
@cfr Quack! <3
@RomainPicot Coin coin!
@HarishKumar: congrats, pal!
 
@PauloCereda Quack !
 
@RomainPicot <3
 
9:48 AM
@DavidCarlisle Enjoying Hans' reply?
 
@JosephWright just replied.
 
@David: stop making M's future complicated when he inherits the maintenance of your packages. :)
 
@PauloCereda It's OK, he uses Word.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh clever boy. :)
 
This is not the same user as the one deleted before? I've not enough reputation to see the deleted answer: tex.stackexchange.com/a/299093/50058
 
9:54 AM
@David: my dad still doesn't get why I have a 21" iMac with a huge black screen and white letters. He's complaining about a vim session. :)
 
@PauloCereda anyone who complains about a vim session is alright by me.
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@DavidCarlisle oy <3
 
10:20 AM
@RomainPicot Not exactly the same text, but essentially same content.
 
@TorbjørnT. thank for the precision :)
 
10:46 AM
@DavidCarlisle I think you might be a bit annoyed ...
 
@JosephWright not really, but I don't mind if I give that impression:-)
@JosephWright when I look around here and see what proportion of development time goes into testing/QA and then look at luatex.....
 
@DavidCarlisle You could say the same though about a lot of TeX stuff
 
@DavidCarlisle Story of my life. :)
 
@JosephWright sure but it's one thing to say that developer time is limited and volunteer and that testing is of necessity done by the end users, but luatex development goes further and seems to be actively antagonistic towards the idea of anyone testing anything.
 
@DavidCarlisle Partly of course Hans expects users to update as-and-when
 
10:56 AM
@JosephWright and to have brackets that are \maxdimen high, presumably
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't think that context cares much (or anything at all) about 8bit math.
 
yo'
@JosephWright which is a crazy idea, given how buggy some releases are...
 
@yo' I remember those from when I started giving LaTeX support here at work. Though never seen it done with Z, mostly I\!R (most even forgot to make them upright)
 
11:17 AM
@UlrikeFischer oh I'm sure.
 
@DavidCarlisle Sure that they not care?
 
@UlrikeFischer yes:-)
 
Can I have a line break in a \text{} that is placed under a \sum? For example, \sum_{\text{aaa bbb \\ ccc ddd}} (except this doesn't work).
Found it. \substack. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/80460/… It's good enough.
 
11:40 AM
I want to register a complaint: there's too much vim hate in the right panel.
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@PauloCereda only 3? shows too much tolerance if you ask me.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
12:28 PM
I know that TeX puts a long space after a fullstop, i.e. after .
But I did not know that it also puts a long space after .)
 
@Szabolcs ) has sfcode 0 which means that it's essentially ignored by the space factor calculation
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Cwac!
 
 
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2:17 PM
@Nasser if you still have that core file you could try gdb as described here. see what luatex was doing when it segfaulted stackoverflow.com/questions/8305866/…
 
hhh
2:31 PM
\end{document}

Your command was ignored.
Type I <command> <return> to replace it with another command,
or <return> to continue without it.

LaTeX Error: \begin{example} on input line 812 ended by \end{document}.


What could cause this?
 
@hhh You're missing \end{example}?
 
hhh
I am using Lyx, how can I get to line 812 first?
It looks to be the end of the document.
 
@hhh It probably is. How did you create the example environment? If you look at the code (either after exporting, or in the source pane), do you see anything obviously wrong?
 
hhh
I think there should be \end{example} just before the corollary
 
@hhh Look at the end of the third line.
 
hhh
2:37 PM
Precisely! I just removed the comment sign %
fixed :)
I imported the latex document to lyx and the comment sign messed up with Lyx creating situation where "hello %not this \end{example}" so it commented out the command by accident in import
Thank you for encouraging :)
 
 
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3:47 PM
Where does the babel package store the translations for numbers? The german translation for "twenty-one" seems to be "einsundzwanzig" instead of the correct "einundzwanzig"…
 
4:24 PM
@dessert tex/generic/babel-german/germanb.ldf but I don't think core babel has localised names for numbers, are you using another package for that?
 
it seems to be the fmtcount package
 
@dessert that sounds familiar (fc-german.def in that case)
 
i'm gonna update it and see if the error persists
i'm using 2013/08/17 v2.03 here, ctan has 2015-05-05 v3.01…
 
4:40 PM
<3
 
@dessert I tried this and it gives “eins” and “einundzwanzig”
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\usepackage{fmtcount}

\begin{document}

\numberstringnum{1}

\numberstringnum{21}

\end{document}
 
yes, the up-to-date version of fmtcount resolved the issue for me
 
fmtcount 2015/05/05 v3.01, fc-ngerman.def 2012/06/18
 
5:28 PM
@UlrikeFischer I don't know if you have seen tex.stackexchange.com/a/299072/37907 and the comments. There is a link to an answer by me on academia. Guess who i was thinking about writing that answer ;-)
 
Otitis with perforated eardrum. :(
 
@PauloCereda Congratulations!
 
@egreg Yay! :)
 
@PauloCereda Just otitis was too little. :(
 
@egreg Indeed, but doctor said things are under control. And the eardrum will be restored in two weeks without hearing loss. :)
 
5:37 PM
Looking for a question that seems like it must've been asked before, but not finding it. Checking here before posting a new question.
 
@egreg: ducks do have ears!
 
I want a sentence or two at the bottom of each page of a document. I can force the text to the bottom with \vspace*, but that requires me to specify the size of each space. I'd rather have an automatic approach, something like \vfill, but \vfill doesn't work to start a page.
 
@Gregory \vspace*{\fill}. Or do you want a footer?
 
@TorbjørnT.: Thanks. That did it.
 
6:11 PM
@PauloCereda Really? :)
 
yo'
6:40 PM
@PauloCereda you got?
 
@egreg -- yes, they do. they're just very well camouflaged.
@PauloCereda -- rotten indeed. take care, don't go swimming, and get well soon.
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton any pressure on the ears is bad. Keep warm and rest, pal! @Paulo
 
yo'
6:58 PM
the feeling when you need to do something expansively (expandably?) when it can't be done that way...
 
 
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8:10 PM
@yo' cheat and use \directlua then everything is expandable:-)
 
hhh
What is italics in tikz?
\bfseries for bolding but what is italics, emphseries?
 
@yo' I did, unfortunately. :( But I am recovering. :)
@barbarabeeton @yo': Thanks! <3
 
@hhh \itshape
@hhh tikz doesn't have much to do with that.
 
hhh
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Q: Italics in Tikz?

hhh\bfseries is for bolding but what is for italics in tikz? Example where italics needed for "Not SP graph". \begin{tikzpicture}[scale=1] \tikzstyle{every node}=[draw, circle, fill=white, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=0pt] \draw (0,0) node(in){in}--(1,0) node{}--(2,0) node(b){b}--(5,0) node(e){e}-...

I was quicker :)
I would like to take out the rectangle box, how to do that?
(only text)
\node[rectangle,font=\itshape] at (3.5,-1.7) {Not SP graph};
 
yo'
8:26 PM
@hhh You're self-taught in LaTeX, right? :)
 
@hhh why ask here and then on site, just made me answer twice.
 
@hhh If you want to take out the rectangle box, how about, say, removing the rectangle option in your node?
 
hhh
\tikzstyle{every node}=[draw, circle, fill=white, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=0pt]
@PauloCereda problem is this: circle is default
In other nodes, circle needed so I need to overwrite the circle with something to write text?
Or is this bad tikz code?
 
@hhh it certainly looks horrible with the circles all different size and squashed against the letters, why the minimum size 0?
 
yo'
@hhh well, first of all, your code is not a MWE; why should people even bother trying to help you if you don't provide a ready-to-modify starting point?
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Q: I've just been asked to write a minimal example, what is that?

Juan A. NavarroI was posting some question about this strange thing LaTeX is doing when I try to compile my thesis. Someone asked me to provide a minimal example that reproduces the problem. My thesis is now a few hundred pages long and spans along ten different source files! How am I supposed to know what or w...

 
hhh
8:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle I am sure it looks horrible: pastebin.com/0jKRhHng
I just started with Tikz :)
 
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@hhh Does draw=none solve your problem?
 
yo'
@Werner you must be cheating somehow :)
 
@yo' And why's that?
 
hhh
@PauloCereda Yes, thank you.
 
8:31 PM
@hhh but even if you just started why add code that does nothing other than make the circles all different sizes
 
yo'
@PauloCereda (I would still keep shape=rectangle though)
@Werner you get palindromes all the time (I mean, too often) :)
 
@hhh Don't get me wrong, but are you sure to be starting with TikZ? To me, you are just getting stuff from different sources and trying somehow to make them work together. The TikZ manual has a very nice intro and spares you of those annoyances you are currently facing in your code.
 
@yo' It's been a while... depending on the voting I might be out a number of cycles.
 
yo'
(sorry, I'm just joking of course)
 
hhh
For labeling the graphs, I think only text is nice there :)
 
8:32 PM
@Werner excellent, I keep telling @ChristianHupfer when he posts attempts at palindromes that the comma should be in the middle, as you show.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle :D
 
hhh
 
yo'
@Werner yeah, I see that you do your best to stay 2 modulo 10 :)
 
@Werner ooh numbers!
 
hhh
8:33 PM
I am sure there must be far easier ways to generate graphs, how do you do them?
 
@yo' For now... it has to switch to 3 (mod 10) in a couple of months...
 
yo'
@hhh texample.net/tikz/examples/state-machine is a good starting point
 
@hhh well personally, I don't (and I know nothing about tikz) but you want to remove the options you are using to distort the circle sizes.
 
yo'
@Werner don't worry, it's not difficult to downvote you 9 times
 
@Werner I was on that cycle but then some vim user downvoted me and pushed me off so no more 3... palindromes for me.
 
8:36 PM
@yo' Exactly... avoid the serial-voting bot though. ;)
 
yo'
@Werner me and @Paulo have tricked the bot years ago :)
 
@DavidCarlisle There must be some bad posts that you can downvote to bring you back in cycle?
 
@yo' ooh <3
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :)
 
@Werner well I could immediately think of 11,690 Answers that I could downvote
 
yo'
8:40 PM
@DavidCarlisle I don't have to check, I'm 100% sure what the number is.
 
hhh
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=1]
\tikzstyle{every node}=[draw, circle, fill=white, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=0pt]

\draw (0,0) node[minimum size=0.6cm](in){in}--(1,0) node{}--(2,0) node[minimum size=0.5cm](b){b}--(5,0) node[minimum size=0.5cm](e){e}--(6,0) node{}--(7,0) node[minimum size=0.6cm](out){out};
%First block of 3 things
\draw (1,0) node{}--(1,1) node{}--(2,1) node[minimum size=0.5cm](a){a}--(e);
\draw (1,0) node{}--(1,-1) node{}--(2,-1) node[minimum size=0.5cm](c){c}--(e);
%Second block of 3 things
very time consuming hack @DavidCarlisle :)
 
yo'
@hhh If you post a minimal working example, I'm willing to clean up your code, but not without that. You shall not need to do things the way you do
 
@hhh in the days when I used latex I'd just have drawn that in xfig and included the generated diagram:-)
 
@yo' shhh don't even mention the automata library. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda how's the draft going, btw? :)
 
hhh
8:42 PM
@yo' I added there full code :)
 
In a hurry, but I hope to finish another chapter tomorrow. :)
 
yo'
@hhh where? No code I see starts with \documentclass and ends in \end{document}
 
hhh
...I use lyx :)
 
yo'
@hhh ah, that explains a lot.
 
@hhh dont
 
8:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ha ha!
 
@DavidCarlisle Not a LyX fan? It brings LaTeX to the masses. Some of them, anyway.
 
yo'
@JosephWright Which one is better, please?
\tl_gset:Nx \g_yoin_jobname_tl { \jobname }
\tl_gset:No \g_yoin_jobname_tl { \jobname }
\tl_gset:NV \g_yoin_jobname_tl \jobname
 
@FaheemMitha I've never actually seen lyx:-) but any such editor is fine if it makes the documents that you need but @hhh is a regular here asking how do you do \foo in lyx, and the answer is always more complicated than "type \foo" so i draw the conclusion that using an interface that obscures the code is not helping in this case.
@yo' we must have an \l3_thingy_jobname name for \jobname don't we?
 
@DavidCarlisle You could easily see LyX by going to a Debian machine. Then apt-get install lyx && lyx. Et voila.
The wonders of technology.
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle oh right! thanks
 
8:51 PM
I think you can actually write "raw" LaTeX text into LyX, and it will cope.
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha yes, with disasters to come :)
 
@yo' How so?
 
@FaheemMitha Actually I'm not sure I have a debian machine with the right access 9yes I know I could get Debian as well, or i could put lyx on this machine but...)
 
I've seen LyX over the years. It has an active community and is actively developed, so some people must like it. I've never used it myself.
But I've certainly heard people say positive things about it.
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha well, if you insert LaTeX code, LyX copes with it, most times, but sometimes it just keeps the code there, which is bad
 
8:52 PM
@FaheemMitha there's a ERT? thing but seems to be targetted at small self contained fragments not settings or environments with wider scope
@FaheemMitha some people say positive things about vim. there is no accounting for taste:
 
I think it works well if you don't want to be too bothered by the unlying workings of LaTeX, and would like to be "shielded" from them. How well that works, I don't know.
 
@PauloCereda ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle It's a strange world.
@DavidCarlisle ERT?
 
@FaheemMitha yes as I say I think if you use an editor that hides the raw tex that's fine as long as you don't always try to hack raw tex in
@FaheemMitha just what I see mentioned in answers here Edit Raw TeX or some such i guess
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't know if it necessarily hides raw LaTeX. But I can't be bothered to experiment.
@DavidCarlisle Ah, ok.
 
8:56 PM
@FaheemMitha no I mean the general workfow is that you don't see the tex markup.
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh.
 
hhh
9:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle Lyx is nice for fast homeworks. I am using TextMate for more serious things and I would use Emacs instead of Lyx but my comp is soon dead: when I get new comp, I am not afraid that my harddrive breaks up...

Yes Lyx helps but solving the problems there requires basic Latex/Tex things, and well I like to learn new things :)

Good night and thanks to everyone for helping, this is pure awesome community :)
(I am running Mactex 2014, not 2015, due to the harddrive issue)
 
@DavidCarlisle oy
 
@hhh any editor except vim is OK:-)
 
hhh
@DavidCarlisle I started with Vi but I use it nowadays every-now-and-then and yes I combine it with others: many times I have no idea how to do things otherwise :D
 
@FaheemMitha In theory, yes. Sadly, people want to change everything, then disaster and chaos and devastation and hunger and Justin Bieber will follow. :)
 
hhh
important to choose best tool to each task, good night. now my tool is pillow zz zz z
and guitar
 
9:09 PM
@PauloCereda I'm not sure what Justin Bieber is doing in that sentence. But point taken.
 
@FaheemMitha He brings the worst feelings. :)
 
@PauloCereda I haven't had the pleasure.
 
@FaheemMitha :)
 
@PauloCereda once ears fixed you'll be able to listed to mr bieber all day.
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! He's Canadian, isn't he?
 
9:13 PM
@PauloCereda so same as you really, just a bit further north
 
@DavidCarlisle He's closer to @AlanMunn. :)
 
@PauloCereda all the same, I trained as a topologist, I have no problems contracting the american land mass to a point...
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh topology! If I weren't a dummie, I wanted to study topology!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda with category theory as a second choice I suppose...
 
@yo' Exactly! I still have plans for CT, perhaps a gentle introduction for computer scientists. :)
 
yo'
9:22 PM
@PauloCereda well, honestly, CT is something I don't like and don't plan to like in any foreseeable future :) I was just guessing what your preferences could be
 
@yo' You were spot on. :) And number theory too. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda I co-submit a grant on NT just these days
 
@yo' yay! Fingers crossed, pal!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda thanks
well, gotta go, I get up early tomorrow. Bye!
 

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