TeX, LaTeX and Friends

4:23 AM

For users of emacs: I found a neat package today to pull in BibTeX citations off the web: github.com/cute-jumper/gscholar-bibtex

David Carlisle

7:56 AM

@JosephWright can we delete {latex-project} is about LaTeX in general and from the latex-project excerpt and add some text to the main bit referencing latex-project.org ?

Joseph Wright

8:34 AM

@DavidCarlisle But it is about very general questions for LaTeX

David Carlisle

@JosephWright it shouldn't be called that then

Joseph Wright

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Q: Rename the {latex-general} tag to {latex-project}?

This is a follow-up discussion to What to do with the 'latex' tag?. New users keep trying to tag their normal LaTeX questions with latex and auto-completion of the tag input element will make that into latex-general. Maybe renaming it to latex-project like suggested somewhere already might help ...

@DavidCarlisle The name was deliberately chosen to avoid new users tagging everything latex-general

David Carlisle

@JosephWright hmm so now they tag everything latex-project and 9 times out of ten that then gets removed

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle To some extent

David Carlisle

@JosephWright just came up (again) this morning as I was just thinking of doing a tag edit to remove that (from a gantt chart question) when the tag vanished as someone beat me to it:-)

Joseph Wright

8:47 AM

@DavidCarlisle The issue of the latex tag goes back to the start of the site: we want to have some way of covering general LaTeX issues but not have (almost) everything tagged

David Carlisle

@JosephWright well I think we should reserve the latex-project tag for latex project work, can't really expect users to understand why they can't go to latex-project.org to get miktex, or report bugs in pgf if "latex project" is being used as a synonym for "anything about latex"

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I think this one needs a meta post :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I'd have to ask @egreg how to ask a question

@JosephWright Actually I'll reply to the earlier question so the older context and discussion is to hand.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle OK

@DavidCarlisle Once you have, I might feature the question so it gets some views

Christian Hupfer

Good maen

Johannes_B

9:03 AM

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle The newest latex-project question:

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Q: Problem in indenting Multiple Line items in Latex

These are files I am using to make my Resume. http://pastebin.com/U9bF6iLB http://pastebin.com/TXrK2r7E I want to shift the indent of items -3pt left. But when do that only the 1st line is shifted. The next lines follow the default indentation. I tried to search for some solution but they sugges...

latex-project

David Carlisle

@JosephWright done

@Johannes_B retag it to templates

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle :-(

Joseph Wright

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Q: Rename the {latex-general} tag to {latex-project}?

This is a follow-up discussion to What to do with the 'latex' tag?. New users keep trying to tag their normal LaTeX questions with latex and auto-completion of the tag input element will make that into latex-general. Maybe renaming it to latex-project like suggested somewhere already might help ...

discussion featured tagging

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Sufficiently interesting/important that I've pinned and also added to the 'featured' list

Johannes_B

11:00 AM

\nofiles % resume's don't need .aux files

@DavidCarlisle Just had another look at that resume template questin from above and found that ^^^^^

Paulo Cereda

It is quite interesting to see how much Josephs are moderators throughout the SE universe. :)

Johannes_B

\input article.sty

egreg

11:17 AM

@Johannes_B res.cls? I think I have something about that, IIRC.

Johannes_B

@egreg pastebin.com/U9bF6iLB

egreg

@Johannes_B Yes, I had!

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A: Problem using etaremune (reversing the labels of items in a list)

The class res.cls issues \nofiles, which means that etaremune can't write off the last value in the .aux file. Either remove the \nofiles from res.cls or call it as \let\latexnofiles\nofiles \let\nofiles\relax \documentclass[margin,line]{res} and use \latexnofiles if you ever need it in such ...

Johannes_B

@egreg You can answer the current one if you want, i vtc as unclear. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/274717/…

egreg

12:26 PM

@Johannes_B It can remain closed, unless the OP edits it.

Christian Hupfer

Good maen

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer quack! :)

Johannes_B

Quackadoodle

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B :)

Christian Hupfer

12:52 PM

@PauloCereda....pssssh ... I am improving my old dissertation ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer You are the MikTeX expert, any hints? latex-community.org/forum/… Thanks

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B I would say there's an antivirus or other tool pestering the installer.

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B I think there was a bug in texworks which looked some files and so prevented on-the-fly installation. Closing everything and then compiling on the command line should work. An update should solve the problem too but one should read the section about "critical updates" first: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108447/…

@Johannes_B Actually there seems to be an open bug with texworks: sourceforge.net/p/miktex/bugs/2394

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer latex-community.org/forum/… Thanks :-)

Johannes_B

1:30 PM

We have biblatex-examples, do we have one available just for BibTeX that is usable in a normal MWE?

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B You can use biblatex-examples with bibtex too. See e.g. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/276320/…

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer Yes i know, but the date isn't recognized.

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B There are some entries which uses year.

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer Just noticed. Somehow, i always had test entries that used date. I am a bit ashamed that i missed that.

@UlrikeFischer I bet you have seen the very very basic question of how to create a list of figures on texwelt. Thoughts?

Ulrike Fischer

1:54 PM

@Johannes_B saputellos answer is too long and the documents created by the code too. Beside this: googling for abbildungsverzeichnis latex gives 15.000 hits, and every introduction mentions it. So I would simply add a link to some question about basic documentation and tell people to read it.

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer The people don't read any documentation anymore it seems.

@UlrikeFischer I am thinking of a project that explains the different steps to write a thesis, including some of the often required but stupid things supervisors want. Instead of giving the infomration right a spot, a link is provided. Somehow a guided set of useful links that doesn't just hit the user in the face.

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B That is their problem, and you can't solve it by creating more documentation in the disguise of answers.

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer Ah you are right, that would be another piece of information littered somewhere. Argh, violating my own point.

Paulo Cereda

2:16 PM

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@DavidCarlisle: ^^ :)

Johannes_B

2:50 PM

@JosephWright Do you wanna take this one? latex-community.org/forum/…

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B I guess so: if the user knows how to get one thing from CTAN, why not other things

Johannes_B

@JosephWright :-)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda hmmm

@PauloCereda who's been taking pictures?

Paulo Cereda

3:09 PM

@DavidCarlisle You and the L3 team are displayed in the TUGboat. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda You didn't grab the full version: should I?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I got both. :) The full (digital) version also includes the photos. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Indeed

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Page 79, look what you all did to poor Paul. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Yes, I'd seen that

Christian Hupfer

3:28 PM

49999 bottles of beer ;-)

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David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer just another 50000 to reach 99999!

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle Piece of cake ;-)

egreg

3:45 PM

@PauloCereda I suspect this was at a Biergarten in Darmstadt (and a beer was in front of the bloke).

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh a secret information. :)

Joseph Wright

@egreg Looks like it: the place with the rhubarb drink

egreg

@JosephWright I had a beer. Maybe two. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@egreg :-)

David Carlisle

4:04 PM

another one :(

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Q: completely blank console

I've now reinstalled LaTeX several times on my Mac after upgrading to the El Capitan OS. I read the document on how to change directories and everything seems to be in the proper place. Except when I try to compile a document, I get a completely blank console. No error messages, nothing. Just...

latex-project

latex-project ^^^^ :(

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes, yes

@DavidCarlisle So back to latex-general or ...?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright we should have an el-capitan-upgrade tag, would be even easier than tikz-pgf to pick up a gold badge.

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Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Luckily I'm stuck with Mavericks (10.9) for VPN reasons

David Carlisle

@JosephWright or yes or something that suggests it is only for cases with nothing better unspecific-latex or some such

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle latex-misc?

David Carlisle

4:14 PM

@JosephWright sounds good to me

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I guess needs some retagging effort to separate out (1) latex-project as you'd like it (2) other better tags and (3) the small number of cases where there's nothing better than latex-misc

Joseph Wright

4:37 PM

@lockstep You are the tag expert: thoughts on the above?

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Sounds good to me too.

@barbarabeeton From more than a year ago :-) latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=85369#p85369

David Carlisle

@JosephWright can you rename latex-project to latex-misc without bumping them all to the top page then we could manually go through those and re-tag to something more appropriate of needed?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle No

David Carlisle

@JosephWright not the most flexible of systems we live in:(

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Can I then get a "miktex-update" tag? ;-)

Joseph Wright

4:42 PM

@DavidCarlisle Well, 'probably no': that would mean removing the tag entirely, which I don't think is the aim

@UlrikeFischer Good plan :-)

@DavidCarlisle By-design: the Powers don't want 'silent' edits as all sorts could get through

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer as long as you promise to answer all the el capitan ones as well, yes.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Perhaps I can do a tag merge then reverse it

@DavidCarlisle I think I can pull off some mod trickery :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright OK. seems there are 206, could be worse I suppose.

Johannes_B

4:59 PM

@JosephWright While we're at it, can i get buggy-template tag? :-p

@JosephWright should that one reported to the powers? helptouser.com/texlatex/…

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Yes

Johannes_B

@JosephWright tbh, i don't know how to do that. Can you do it?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B OK

Johannes_B

There is a word missing, right? should that one be reported to the powers

@JosephWright Thanks

Sean Allred

5:22 PM

Unless you are using Windows, a little sed and/or awk seems a whole lot easier. (If you are using Windows, my sympathies.) — cfr 17 hours ago

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred don't all windows users have sed and awk?:-)

Sean Allred

@cfr My dislike for Windows is growing by the day.

@DavidCarlisle You mock me

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred LOLOLOLOL

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred I use sed on windows most days:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Cygwin. :)

David Carlisle

5:27 PM

Side effect of discussing latex-project on meta: even more points for me from Stefan's Grandma.

@PauloCereda Well naturally you need a window system if you are on windows, so cygwin X-windows seems the natural choice.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

egreg

6:25 PM

@SeanAllred Mine can't grow, having been at its maximum for the last 30 years. I checked: Windoze 1 was shipped on 20 November 1985. ;-)

Sean Allred

@egreg thirty years of hell

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred for developers yes, for users less so, and there are more users than developers, typically:-)

egreg

@SeanAllred Why? I have never used it. ;-)

Sean Allred

@DavidCarlisle I have no problem with window systems; I have a problem with Windows' excuse for one

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred As I say you need some platform to run X-windows on, so MSWindows will do. But when I had linux machines at home they were hardly friendly and getting any window system at all required lots of internet searching and downloading dubious reverse engineered graphics drivers. things are better now but it took years to catch up.

Sean Allred

6:38 PM

@DavidCarlisle I can appreciate what Windows did for the personal part of the PC industry while maintaining my gripes :)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ssh -X

:)

Johannes_B

I, on the other hand, while relatively new to the site, find people trying to ask basic questions about latex tagging them as tex-core, which is utterly wrong. Given that there is already a latex-kernel tag (appropriately, for the kernel), is it possible to assign a tag called "latex-core" or "latex-base", meaning the kernel plus base and required classes and packages? — erreka 2 mins ago

Faheem Mitha

7:03 PM

@DavidCarlisle The graphics drivers are still dubious.

I wish someone would produce graphics cards with decent free software support.

Johannes_B

7:25 PM

@yo' I just found some interesting (hopefully) read in form of a bachelor report of the university in Brno.

\thesissetup{
  title       = The Form of Theses Written in LaTeX,
  TeXtitle    = The Form of Theses\\ Written in \LaTeX{},
  author      = \VN,
  advisor     = {Doc.\ RNDr.\ \PS,\ Ph.D.},
  keywords    = {latex document classes, thesis typesetting,
    fithesis, tex usage statistics},
  TeXkeywords = {\LaTeX\ document classes, thesis typesetting,
    \textsf{fithesis}, \TeX\ usage statistics},
  basePath    = ./fithesis3/fithesis,
  assignment  = {./misc/assignment, ./misc/declaration}}

github.com/Witiko/fithesis3-bt

egreg

7:47 PM

@Johannes_B Promising, but the preamble in the document is a mess

Johannes_B

@egreg :-)

egreg

I'm in the concert hall waiting for Beethoven's 4th and 3rd symphonies. Orchestra about to enter :)

David Carlisle

@egreg stop being anti-social and turn your phone off!

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle :-D

barbara beeton

8:07 PM

@FaheemMitha -- and i wish someone would produce graphics cards with a decent (quite high) resolution for a decently large monitor (two full output pages, side by side, actual size, plus a little slop at the sides) at a price that my employer would be willing to pay.

Faheem Mitha

@barbarabeeton And how much is that? :-)

@egreg Which concert hall?

barbara beeton

@FaheemMitha -- not sure (it's hard to get actual numbers out of them), but the monitor itself has to be under $1000. i've got a large enough screen, but it's a hand-me-down from some more privileged user who got something even better, it's old, the "good" graphics card fried because it was a half-height card (the chassis into which it was placed would only support a full-height card so it kept shorting), and they no longer make cards to support the monitor i have. so i live with oversized fuzz.

Faheem Mitha

@barbarabeeton I remember talking about this earlier. Your employees really seem appallingly cheap.

barbara beeton

@FaheemMitha -- partly, but a more important criterion is that they want every workstation on every desk to be exactly the same. and that isn't realistic!

Faheem Mitha

8:24 PM

@barbarabeeton I agree, it's not realistic.

I use an Nvidia graphics card. I wish I didn't.

egreg

@barbarabeeton My home town, city orchestra. Fourth symphony was very good.

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer How long can you watch the video? youtube.com/watch?v=f6XagVEIqOY

egreg

@barbarabeeton www.opvorchestra.it

barbara beeton

@egreg -- ah, you're on the interval. hope the third is just as good.

egreg

@barbarabeeton Gérard Korsten conducting. I like him.

Faheem Mitha

8:37 PM

Shouldn't they play the third before the fourth?

egreg

@FaheemMitha The third is too emotional

Faheem Mitha

@egreg So?

egreg

@FaheemMitha You can't play anything after it

Faheem Mitha

@egreg Ah. It's been a while since I have listened to the Third.

barbara beeton

@egreg -- it appears that your home-town orchestra doesn't have a permanent conductor. but their programming appears interesting. i'm terribly fond of the eroica symphony, and i don't blame beethoven one bit for retracting the dedication to napoleon. (i know you won't approve, but my favorite pianist has liszt's piano transcriptions of beethoven's symphonies in his repertoire. last i heard, he was working on the third and seventh. i'm waiting eagerly ...)

Faheem Mitha

9:00 PM

I can't imagine why anyone would dedicate anything to Napoleon. The creep.

egreg

10:18 PM

@barbarabeeton No permanent conductor for several years, after Peter Maag. But guest conductors seem to be happy to come. Unfortunately, this year's program is not really along my tastes.

barbara beeton

@egreg -- ah, the 1827 "witching year". but i did spot some bach and mozart. (and it seems from korsten's bio that he indulges in later repertoire, so i guess you're just fortunate this time.)

egreg

@barbarabeeton :)

Faheem Mitha

10:37 PM

@egreg You seriously don't consider any composers after 1827? How about Sibelius?

egreg

@FaheemMitha Did he ever write music? ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@egreg Yes, he did. Some of it is very good.

egreg

@FaheemMitha Sorry, but I disagree: I think he's one of the worst composers of all times.

@FaheemMitha Of course Stravinsky is much worse.

Faheem Mitha

@egreg Seriously? Ok, fair enough.

@egreg I don't know Stravinsky's music.

egreg

@FaheemMitha Better for you!

Christian Hupfer

10:49 PM

Good maen

Faheem Mitha

@egreg What music of Sibelius have you listened to? Just curious.

Hi @Christian. How are you?

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha Fine! How about you?

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer I'm Ok, thanks.

egreg

@FaheemMitha I think something like “The swan of Tuonela” or a ludicrous “Serenade for strings” or how it's called. Also the Karelia suite, IIRC. Unbearable.

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha Sounds good....

Faheem Mitha

10:55 PM

@egreg The symphonies are quite good. Though I like the Swan too. Of course, tastes differ. Some people like rap, for example. Also, Hindi film music.

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha: Apparently you are talking to @egreg, the only one here being older than the music your talking about :-P

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Everybody knows I was at the premiere of the Third Symphony. :P

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer Well, yes, I'm talking to egreg. Who apparently has standards in music.

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Unfortunately I couldn't manage to be in Leipzig for Easter in 1727, but I was in 1729.

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha boooh!

Faheem Mitha

10:59 PM

@ChristianHupfer Boo?

@egreg Are you a time traveller? And if so, could I borrow your machine?

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha You're indicating that someone else not listening to egreg's music has no standard? Booooh! :-P

barbara beeton

@FaheemMitha -- stravinsky wrote music for some marvelous ballets. and "l'histoire du soldat" is very compelling. (@egreg and i, i think, have agreed to disagree on taste in music.)

egreg

@FaheemMitha Well, everybody is saying I'm old.

David Carlisle

@egreg there is a reason for that

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer No, that was not implied. I just said egreg has standards. Which is a good thing.

Christian Hupfer

11:01 PM

@egreg Did you meet Bach there?

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha I think "prejudice" is the word you mean, not "standard" :-)

barbara beeton

@egreg -- "everybody" just happens to include you.

Faheem Mitha

@egreg Not me.

@barbarabeeton Nothing wrong with having different tastes in music.

egreg

@ChristianHupfer On Good Friday 1727 there was the first performance of the Matthäuspassion, you should know.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle If he's listened to those composers it's not prejudice.

Christian Hupfer

11:03 PM

@egreg Well, a Good Friday is the right day then for such an event

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha it's all the ones after that that he refuses to listen to

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle No, I meant if he's listened to Sibelius and Stravinsky, for example, and doesn't like them, then it is not prejudice wrt Sibelius and Stravinsky, at any rate.

Prejudics means you haven't tried it out. As far as I know.

Prejudics -> Prejudice, sorry.

Personally, I think Sibelius is great. Though he didn't write much music.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha keyboard typos are acceptable here (defending @egreg isn't:-)

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Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle LOL.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Who's being mean to whom?

David Carlisle

11:13 PM