Not a palindrome, but it's pretty:

@WillRobertson Ok, I think that I'm quite fine with that :) Thanks

@JosephWright Please, does British English really write ageing? Official sources say so, but it quite surprised me...

@yo' yes

@yo' your question caused me to look up aging which is apparently used in the colonies. Looks odd to me, I never knew:-)

@DavidCarlisle I love it when a Briton calls the US "a colony" :-D

@yo' Not, colonies plural :-)

@JosephWright uh-oh :)

@DavidCarlisle You were right, my suggestion didn't make much sense. I removed the clutter from comments:-)

@1010011010 OK removed my comments as well, meanwhile I see @egreg has jumped in and got himself a point or two:-)

@DavidCarlisle @1010011010 None of you seemed to have the right diagnosis. :P

@JosephWright Uniocde I guess I spell it that way half the times on first attempt. I really should learn to type in my next life.

@egreg my diagnosis was the question was rubbish and ought to be fixed before being answered. I think that was correct:-)

@DavidCarlisle I do love your documents: they are great for 'spot the typos' :-)

Hello Sir I have a query just posted to stackexchange ... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/263590/…

Can someone please answer ?

@user80596 that's how the site works, no need to ask for that here!

Oh ok sorry .

I have c source file and when i input that using listing package it works fine but if i have an other lst set for inputting text file it doesnot print the content

I am struggling from past 4 hours

can you please kindly help me sir?

@user80596 you should probably say in the question what you do get (either nothing, or an error, I guess)

ok i shall mention that now

I have mentioned the output aswell sir

It is just writing \lstinputlisting{C:/Temp/test.txt}

@user80596 I just commented on the question but you haven't shown an example that causes the problem.

@user80596 It should be

\documentclass{report}
\usepackage{listings}

\lstset{basicstyle=\footnotesize\ttfamily,breaklines=true}
\lstset{framextopmargin=50pt,frame=bottomline}


\begin{document}

\lstinputlisting{C:/Temp/test.txt}

\end{document}

Sir I put the non-working code now

@user80596 That's exactly what I suspected: remove \begin{lstlisting} and \end{lstlisting}.

ok sir thank you very much i shall try this now

@user80596 And don't call me “sir”, please. ;-)

oh sorry David

@user80596 or me:-)

@egreg twice in one morning:-)

@DavidCarlisle You're so slow in answering! Did you get your morning coffee?

morning, everybody!

@DavidCarlisle This is for you, I promise:

@egreg no someone came to my desk and I needed to do work:-)

@yo' Ciao!

@egreg use supertab

Your code as it is worked fine but i just kept your code in my complex template so i am just waiting it to finish

which failed :(... I have to check it now

@egreg Done, demonstration of the benefits of a high level interface

Hi. I expected \keys_set:nn to trim spaces around the key names and the values before storing them in \l_keys_key_tl and \l_keys_value_tl. Is there any reason they are not trimmed?

@Manuel Probably I forgot to check :-)

@JosephWright Ahm, probably you do.

@Manuel From memory, we store the values quite 'early': I'll adjust

@JosephWright The thing is that if the key is \something when detokenizing an extra space is added.

@Manuel Good point

@Manuel github.com/latex3/latex3/issues/264

@JosephWright It's much better \keyval_parse:NNn in that case, and I will take the \detokenize problem as normal.

@Manuel Huh?

@JosephWright No, but it's not a bug per se. I mean, if you detokenize the the key name, then the space is going to be added anyways. It's correct as it is now, I think.

Thanks for your help ... David lstlisting issue solved

@Manuel I'll trace the code and check that the outcomes are those I'd expect (and that they are documented)

@Manuel We say that spaces are trimmed off key names so I think we should not accidentally add any back in

@JosephWright If you use \keys_set:nn { .. } { \a\b\c = whatever } then \l_keys_key_tl is going to have \a•\b•\c• where • are spaces. There's no reason to remove the last one.

@Manuel I'll need to think about this :-)

@JosephWright At first I thought it was a bug, but it's a side effect of \detokenize. So, if it's clear in the documentation that the key is \detokenized, then there's no need for anything, I guess.

@Manuel Except we do say that spaces are ignored inside key names. That suggests to me I need to reorder some code.

@Manuel Like I say, I'll need to trace the code and document one way or the other after a bit of thought

@UlrikeFischer thanks I'll see how much we can do:-)

@JosephWright In that case the removal of spaces should come after the detokenization right?

@JosephWright In any case I like the idea, I would like to have the freedom in TikZ to say [line width=1.1pt, line cap=round] and at the same time if someone prefers no spaces [linewidth=1.1pt,linecap=round] since it's not probable that two keys line width and linewidth are to be defined.

@Manuel Yes, that's one of the reasons I favour the idea 'spaces are ignored' :-)

@Manuel I can never remember with pgfplots which key names have spaces and which don't

@JosephWright Yes, perfectly common.

Yay I have chocolate!

That is a perfect excuse to burn energy. :)

@PauloCereda This is our cake for tonight: pasticceriagalletti.it/pandolci.htm

@egreg oooooooh me wantee!

If I get the next plane to Italy, and arrive in Rome, and take the next train... well, maybe I can make it.

:)

@PauloCereda Maybe they can send one: pasticceriagalletti.it

@PauloCereda It's a very well known place, in these surroundings. The shop is in a narrow valley, 35km from my place, but it's worth the journey. :)

@egreg :)

@egreg I'll add it to the list of places we will visit. :)

@egreg: speaking of food, I watched this video yesterday: vimeo.com/126527223

@PauloCereda Consider that Paestum is also famous for

@egreg Awesome!

@egreg: It's very shocking for me to see very old constructions. After all, Brazil has only 500 years. :)

@PauloCereda The three temples (the picture only shows two) have been built in the sixth/fifth century bC.

That's 2000 years more ancient than Brazil. :P

@egreg Oh my, that's old, isn't it? :)

@PauloCereda Not as old as @DavidCarlisle, of course. See you all later.

@egreg ooh. :) Have a great day!

@egreg Looks a bit similar to Baalshamin in Palmera, though I hope it won't have the same destiny.

I want to found my own TeX journal! It will be called The Typographic Duck. :)

@PauloCereda start TUG Brazil and that can be its journal

@DavidCarlisle O Pato Tipográfico!

@PauloCereda the logo would be an animal, half a penguin and half a duck...

@PauloCereda go well with you BR-TUG logo being a parrot:-)

@yo' It will be a duck wearing a press hat and managing one of those old typographic machines. :)

@DavidCarlisle I thought of a toucan, but there was an overfull box. :)

^^ look how majestic this bird is!

@PauloCereda LOL

@yo' The toucan has a long beak. <3

@PauloCereda hey man, your drawing abilities are awesome!

@yo' /blushes <3

@PauloCereda speaking of printing and beaks did this reach Brazillian news? or just the BBC....

bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34039680

@PauloCereda ^^

@DavidCarlisle ooh I saw it! The story was all over the news, including a nice coverage from the TV!

@JosephWright -- at least some of us don't mind being called upstart colonials. we do our best to be unruly.

@PauloCereda you should start tugbr and have that bird as an honorary life president

Oh no, a toucan eats a lot! :)

But this is a different toucan from the one covered by BBC. BBC features Tieta the toucan while the YouTube video talks about Zeca the toucan. :)

@DavidCarlisle -- are you sure you will have manageable fingers in your next life? (oh, there is archie the cockroach as a possible role model. but remember, archie couldn't type in uppercase, so ...)

@PauloCereda within experimental error for google translate

@barbarabeeton it breaks, why?

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle -- because there are at least several such definitions in the "live" versions of ams document classes in ctan and tex live. i'd like to be able to predict what problems might arise from this practice, so i can enter a note on the "things that have to be done" list.

@barbarabeeton Joseph was suggesting dropping spaces while constructing key names in [foo=bar] syntax so making [page height = 6in] same as [pageheight=6in] so it is hopefully well clear of internal csname wrangling as you show. (If we broke the spaces there we'd break every latex robust command,)

@barbarabeeton Space business purely about l3keys, i.e. key-value definitions from expl3

@JosephWright or even value (talking of typos)

@DavidCarlisle Fixed

@JosephWright and @DavidCarlisle-- thanks for the reassurance, guys.

@barbarabeeton What's the point of saying \expandafter\let\csname cite \endcsname\cite? Seems like you're defining something as itself ?!

@1010011010 not at all: note the space after cite!!

@1010011010 see the definition of \cite:

> \cite=macro:
->\protect \cite  .
<*> \show\cite

@DavidCarlisle Wow. Sneaky.

@1010011010 -- this is meant as an "internal" equivalent, so that the original remains usable within the document class even if some user redefines the command. @DavidCarlisle has pointed out the difference.

@1010011010 all latex commands declared by \DeclareRobustCommand and related commands are defined that way

@1010011010 the sneaky part is that if \cite were declared by \def\cite{\protect\internal@cite} or some such then in a \typeout or \write, \protect would be \string and it appears as \internal@cite the trick (introduced by Alan when we did latex2e) is to make the internal command name end with a space so in the \write it appears as \cite and it looks a lot nicer and the extra space is ignored by normal tex scanning rules.

\protect would be \string... ?

I don't see how that's related to extra spaces in the cs name?

@1010011010 yes (or \noexpand, depending on the exact context)

@1010011010 compare :

\def\fooa{\protect\fooa@internal}
\edef\foob{\noexpand\protect\expandafter\noexpand\csname foob \endcsname}

\typeout{a message with \fooa, and \foob.}

@1010011010 makes a message with \fooa@internal, and \foob .

When you write \noexpand\protect\expandafter\noexpand\csname foob \endcsname I see \weirdexpansioncontrol\weirdexpansioncontrol\weirdexpansioncontrol\weirdexpansi‌​oncontrol\weirdmacromaker blablabla \endweirdmacromaker :D

@yo' You really don't want to read xor then :-)

@JosephWright uh-oh :)

@JosephWright but ... shouldn't xor be a nice L3 code? /whistle

@yo' Well it's not at the moment

@JosephWright :)

@yo' Also, like many of the low-level bits of code it's rather primitive-based (try reading l3regex or l3fp)

@yo' try google translate, I usually find it helps

@JosephWright yeah I know :) But I wouldn't expect a lot of expansion control in xor

@yo' No so much, just more general complexity

@JosephWright I think that I can convince myself I can imagine the code, so I don't need to open it :-)

@DavidCarlisle Speaking of xor, I wonder what Frank was up to with

\dim_set:Nn \l_xor_tmp_dim { \tex_pagegoal:D - \tex_pagetotal:D }

:-)

@JosephWright global replace gone wrong?

@JosephWright GOAL!

Anyone know any of these people?

lms.ac.uk/membership/honorary-members

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle they've got @Joseph's inital wrong :-)

@DavidCarlisle Most likely

@DavidCarlisle Oh, I've misread the line :-)

@JosephWright all those underscores and colons, easily done:-)

@PauloCereda That's cool! Now you just must found TUG BR! :)

Github dev still using 2.09 tex.stackexchange.com/questions/263651/invoice-total-error

@Johannes_B Huh?

another person praising the code as high-quality and every user having problems is sent to me (well, not me personally).

@JosephWright The question is using a template (maybe from the tempate site) which is mirrored from a github guy still using 2.09 commands. Even whacking stuff in \enddocument.

@Johannes_B Ah

@Johannes_B I think the fact it doesn't add up correctly is more worrying

@Johannes_B that's 2e (.cls file)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but the thing is littered with the old font-commands and other stuff.

@JosephWright I have looked into this in April, let me look back at the old files. I think it is even unrelated to the template in particular.

@Johannes_B Probably

@Johannes_B that's not quite the same thing, the code works in 2e and would stop with no output in 2.09 so "using 2.09" is overstating your case:-)

@clemens TUGBR: We only have an awesome logo! :)

@JosephWright latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=26192

@JosephWright had a quick look just now, basically it's only adding so it could probably drop calc and fp and just work in pennies (or cents or whatever) in integer arithmetic and divide by 100 at the end.... (@Johannes_B)

@DavidCarlisle Ok, you are right about that. But it really annoys me that i have to see almost every faulty stuff that exists in the templates.

@Johannes_B it's not on ctan/texlive ?

@DavidCarlisle No, github and the template site, different versions.

@GonzaloMedina An example of high-quality template work: overleaf.com/3154884thknvv#/8813979

@PauloCereda lol :)

@PauloCereda It's a start! :)

Hi

@DavidCarlisle How are you ?

@barznjy Hello

@barznjy Stuff them all in the very same align environment? Seems to be the simplest without testing.

@Johannes_B I want to keep align for each equation, because in the case of some of the equations may be appear in the next page. I mean using align for each equation is more convenient

@barznjy But with just one equation, there is nothing to align to. You need to reference points for alignment.

@barznjy hi

@Johannes_B I know it is a tricky question, thats why I ask about it

@barznjy that's just wrong. never use a single row align it gets the spacing wrong and the entire point of the environment is to align different rows.

@barznjy you can allow align to break over a page, if that is your concern.

How ?

@barznjy \allowdisplaybreaks

@clemens: youtube.com/watch?v=zTxsDV5WR3w Wait for Stephen the squirrel presents his adorable family: Hollie, Acorn, Stephen Jr., Gunter and Suuuuuuuusan. :)

Ricardo Langner submitted the

                cleanthesis

package.

Version number: 0.3.1
License type: lppl1.3

Summary description: A clean LaTeX style for thesis documents

Announcement text:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The cleanthesis package is a clean, simple, and elegant LaTeX style for
thesis documents.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

This package is located at
   mirror.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/cleanthesis

@Johannes_B ^^^

@DavidCarlisle I knew that you have solution. It worked. Thanks

@JosephWright github.com/derric/cleanthesis/issues/16

@JosephWright What is your personal opinion concerning:

\usepackage[					% clean thesis style
	figuresep=colon,%
	sansserif=false,%
	hangfigurecaption=false,%
	hangsection=true,%
	hangsubsection=true,%
	colorize=full,%
	colortheme=bluemagenta,%
	bibsys=bibtex,%
	bibfile=bib-refs,%
	bibstyle=alphabetic,%
]{cleanthesis}

@PauloCereda oh my! Now I want a pretzel!

@clemens - My wife Susan will be ofended if you don't go for seconds. - Can I have more, Susan? - We don't have more pretzels. :P

@PauloCereda :D I'll settle for chocolate then!

@clemens Kumbaya!

:)

@Johannes_B Hm. A package which uses KOMA-specific commands (\setkomafont{part}{\thesispartfont}) without checking if they are defined, and then loads titlesec (to setup beside others part) and fancyhdr ... I have some doubts that you will like it ;-) But as far as I can see no \bf or \it.

@UlrikeFischer At least it is on github, and i can easily open an issue, or even make a pull request. Doesn't work that way with the template site.

@Johannes_B Well as you can see in case of the invoice.cls being able to pester people doesn't work always either.

@DavidCarlisle -- well, they've got dek's title wrong. as it happens, i've met another of this year's honorees, and if i look at their cumulative list, i've met about a dozen more, lots of years ago when i was on the office staff for various summer seminars. an interesting bunch. (enrico bombieri taught me how to play scopa, and i got pretty good at it, but it's been a long time and i've forgotten the rules. maybe @egreg can update me sometime.)

@UlrikeFischer I hope you don't mind me quoting you: github.com/treyhunner/invoices/issues/2#issuecomment-135853119 :-)

@AlanMunn Do not worry.

@PauloCereda So as long as you edit it with sudo there's no need to use visudo?

@AlanMunn Actually, I'd go with su -, then get into a # session and then edit sudoers. :)

I think you can also force visudo to use emacs.

@PauloCereda Ok, I can do that. Much as it must pain you to hear, I want to avoid vi at all costs. :)

@AlanMunn export SUDO_EDITOR="/usr/bin/emacs"

Then try visudo

Actually:

SUDO_EDITOR="`which emacs`"

@StefanKottwitz @golatex, Is there any way to rename attachments using an interface? For now, i download a file test.png, rename it to usernameKeyword.png and upload that (new version). Still have to check every pic and resize/crop, though.

@PauloCereda Hmm. That doesn't seem to have worked.

@AlanMunn Uh-oh.

@PauloCereda Ah, it respects the EDITOR variable not SUDO_EDITOR.

@AlanMunn Oh good to know.

The system is clearly avoiding the use of emacs. :)

@PauloCereda Now my /etc/sudoers file will not get littered with random characters as I try to get out of vi. :)

@AlanMunn LOL

@Johannes_B not yet available, a renaming interface

ooh I've got a blue tl2015 to go with my two red ones.

@StefanKottwitz What might be useful in the future aswell: Collision control. I just (well, before everything froze to death) made an edit to the tikzposter Q and seen in your reply, that you did the same.

@barbarabeeton I know at least four kinds of scopa.

@egreg -- oh, super! are you expecting to go to toronto? maybe we can make a date to renew my acquaintance with the game there.

@Johannes_B hadn't seen your answer on LC when I posted mine there (the tikzposter question)…

@clemens My comment was meant for the OP.

@clemens Have you read the template email i had sent you?

@Johannes_B Oh, sorry: It came in when I was about to go to sleep and I meant to read it later but forgot about it! Will do

@clemens Don't worry, it isn't important.

@Johannes_B I accidentally edited your post instead of replying to it. Take a look if it is OK again.

@clemens Almost did this a few times myself :-)

@barbarabeeton is there an authoritative place that cites what it should be? I could contact them, I am a member:-)

@clemens Seems that keeping it localized to german would have been a good idea (see my post a minute earlier).

@egreg ooh Italian hieroglyph.

@PauloCereda Spade, bastoni, denari e coppe.

They correspond to spades, clubs, diamonds and hearts.

But an Italian spada is a sword, not a spade.

@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle @GonzaloMedina As it turns out, the invoice question today was really based on the one from the template site ({ The best source of free quality LaTeX templates }) Argh.

@egreg cool!

Any biblatex experts in these premises?