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6:08 AM
@Johannes_B I'll add anything that seems to be in-scope for the package if requested, but I'm not going to set out to find things to add!
 
@Johannes_B okay thanks for yesterday evening. The following code (little tuning) fits my needs:
\usepackage{scrlayer-scrpage}
\KOMAoption{footwidth}{\textwidth+2em}
\clearpairofpagestyles
\def\myHeaderRule{|}
\setkomafont{pageheadfoot}{\normalfont\small\scshape\color{grayd}}
\setkomafont{pagenumber}{\normalfont\color{grayd}}
\renewcommand{\chaptermark}[1]{\markboth{\llap{\thechapter~\myHeaderRule}~\MakeUppercase{#1}}{\MakeUppercase{#1}~\rlap{\myHeaderRule~\thechapter}}}
\renewcommand{\sectionmark}[1]{\markleft{\llap{\thesection~\myHeaderRule}~\MakeUppercase{#1}}}
 
 
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9:07 AM
@StefanKottwitz golatex.de/viewtopic,p,71296.html#71296 New members have the degree of a Forum-Newbie. Maybe changing that to something else might be a good idea.
 
9:28 AM
@macmadness86 Just looked at you video on pagenumbering, and sorry to say that, but parts are plainly wrong. Please have a look:
\documentclass[twoside]{article}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\usepackage{showframe}
\usepackage{pgffor}
\title{pagenumbering}
\author{a helper}
\begin{document}
\maketitle
\setcounter{page}{1}
\newpage
\tableofcontents
\pagenumbering{roman}
\clearpage
\pagenumbering{arabic}
\foreach \x in {1,...,10} {\blinddocument}
\end{document}
You can also have a look at:
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A: How to use pagenumbering in the document?

Johannes_B\pagenumbering{style} changes the appearance of \thepage to match style and resets the page count to one (\@one). This change in the page number can be noticed with the shipout of the next page, which is in fact the page currently typeset. Now, where to put the \pagenumbering command? A good ide...

 
9:52 AM
@StefanKottwitz On the other hand, golatex.de/viewtopic,p,71302.html#71302, displays Forum-Anfänger. How is that decided?
 
10:08 AM
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10:35 AM
@Johannes_B @egreg no setminus in unicode math -.- any tips?
going stupid redefine? :/ using renew, def etc?
 
@rapus95 Told you, i am far away from being an expert of mathematical typesetting.
 
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A: Which fonts can be used with *unicode-math* package?

egregIt's quite strange that the symbol is missing in Latin Modern Math, TeX Gyre Termes Math and TeX Gyre Pagella and it's probably worth a bug report. You can supplement single symbols with the range option to \setmathfont: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{unicode-math} %\setmathfont{Latin Mode...

 
 
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11:41 AM
\hspace*{\hfill} produces the error
Missing number, treated as zero. \hspace*{\hfill}
and
Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted). \hspace*{\hfill}
Does anyone know how to fix that?
 
@rapus95 Was hast denn du mit deinem \hspace? Don't use it, hfill will work if it is supposed to work.
 
@Johannes_B centering 2 tables giving them equal distance to left, between and right
 
@rapus95 \hspace*{\fill} or \hfill
 
@DavidCarlisle \hfill goes without error but doesn't produce the spacing at the right end... the other one just errors
 
@rapus95 No, \hspace*{\fill} works, \hfill works if you use it in the right place, space at start of a line is discarded (but you should almost never use either in a document anyway)
 
11:51 AM
currently i get
|table1 table2|
but i want
| table1 table2 |
well multi spaces are deleted but i think you get what i want
 
@rapus95 \begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth}\centering table 1 \end{minipage}\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth}\centering table 2 \end{minipage}
@rapus95 which isn't the layout you asked for, (it doesn't give three equal spaces ) but is probably more common, especially if you want o add captions in the minipages
 
@DavidCarlisle it looks fine. as far as i understand it it's kind of 2 column now isn't it?
 
@rapus95 exactly
 
@DavidCarlisle ok thanks
 
12:19 PM
@DavidCarlisle is there anything similar that i can use within the align environment?
 
12:31 PM
@rapus95 not really
@JosephWright I write the most L3 code I've written this century and you edit it after 5 seconds:)
 
@DavidCarlisle There were other things I thought about fixing :-)
@DavidCarlisle I suspect the OP there really doesn't want xparse but more something based around a delimited structure
 
Good maen
 
@JosephWright I tried to declare the clist locally but it kept telling me it was already defined so I pulled it out, name hasn't got _ in it either:-)
@JosephWright possibly.
 
12:54 PM
may one can help me...
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setdefaultlanguage{german}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{unicode-math}
\usepackage{csquotes}
\DeclareMathOperator{\ord}{ord}
\begin{document}
\begin{align*}
O_M(p)&=\{b\in M\mid \ord(b)=p\}&\text{"Elemente der Ordnung $p$ in $M$"} \\
\langle a \rangle := P_M(a)&=\{a^k\in M\mid k\in\mathbb{N}\}&\text{"von $a$ erzeugte Gruppe", "Potenzen von $a$ in $M$"}\\
W_M(n)&=\{b\in M\vert b^n=1 \}=\{b\in M\mid b^n-1=0 \}&\text{"$n$-te Einheitswurzeln in $M$"}
 
@rapus95 don't use "xxxx" use ``xxxx''
 
@DavidCarlisle working with utf-8 & fontspec & luatex
 
@rapus95 you could abuse \tag and replace &\text with \tag
@rapus95 ah OK in that case you at least get two straight quotes, in classic tex you'd get two right quotes
 
@DavidCarlisle abuse? no abusing
@DavidCarlisle can you imagine what i want to achieve?
 
@rapus95 well... \tag is sort of intended as a replacement equation label, in place of an equation number, but that's exactly where you want the text to go
 
12:59 PM
@JosephWright Out of interest, did you delete the my unrelated comment to the current xparse question?
 
@Johannes_B Yes
 
@JosephWright Oki :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle it almost works but when i use \tag everything gets indented and then there is not enough space anymore to bring all into the same line -.-
 
@rapus95 see texdoc amsmath from bottom of page 6: Line-by-line annotations on an equation can be done by judicious application of....
@rapus95 I did wonder if it would all fit on a line with such long texts. But that's the price you pay asking in chat instead of as a real question with a reproducible example: people have to guess.
 
@PaulGessler -- lots more has happened since then. looks like a problem -- i've just reported it. (report address is ctan at dante.de)
 
yo'
1:04 PM
@DavidCarlisle you meant "ridiculous", right?
 
@yo' don't blame me, it's @barbarabeeton's document!
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle no, the application is ridiculous, not the document nor the feature!
 
@yo' do you have a good markup idiom for annotated alignments?
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle no, because I never use annotated alignments
 
@yo' whereas as you can imagine I often use multipage footnotes in bidirectional text using characters above U+FFFF in unicode:-)
 
yo'
1:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle you've always been the naughty one here.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- nope, it's still mike downes' document. look at the date. i've been trying to get permission to update it, but without success. (i think nothing in it is untrue, but there's an awful lot more that could be said, and would be really helpful.)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton ah so there is a reason why the document is so tough!
 
@barbarabeeton so the mails for that list are still going out but not being archived (and hence not making it into RSS)? Or do you subscribe to a different list?
Should I report as well or is yours sufficient?
 
@PaulGessler -- i'm subscribed to ctan-ann, and the mail has been continuing. i don't think there is another list that covers accessions/updates to ctan. (although there is a different list that pertains to the search and upload interface; i'm subscribed to that too.) the address i sent the report to is "ctan central", so it should be sufficient, and the folks who get that mail have been pretty good at responding to other questions from me. i'll report what i hear from them.
 
@barbarabeeton ok, sounds good. Thanks! :-)
 
1:27 PM
What are the opposites of these 6 words? Always- Coming - From - Take - Me - Down
 
@Johannes_B nice try :-)
 
@PaulGessler Oh, thank god. In my personal chat list i just got 3 different question marks from 3 different people. Nobody got it.
 
@barbarabeeton I'll blame you anyway
 
@DavidCarlisle -- and i'll just continue to insult you nicely. :)
@Johannes_B -- where did those people learn to speak english?
 
@barbarabeeton German schools :-)
Can somebody confirm, that different page sizes are set with pdflatex, lualatex and xelatex.
 
yo'
1:43 PM
@Johannes_B may be. But it's set up in the distro somehow. You can never assume anything and all documents should mention the papersize explicitly
 
@yo' Sure, but one of the packages loaded by showframe seems to be the reason. Without it, all documents are equal.
 
2:01 PM
@Johannes_B it depends
 
yo'
@Johannes_B that's of course possible
 
@DavidCarlisle Depends on what?
 
@Johannes_B pdflatex by default doesn't set the page size, so you see your pdf reader set default, but it does set it if graphics or geometry etc are being used
@Johannes_B historical accidents, mostly.
 
@DavidCarlisle XeLaTeX differs. Probably as the pdf is written using xdvipdfm?
 
@Johannes_B it should be same if geometry is used, otherwise it'll be whatever default it sets
 
2:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle showframe et al. do not load geometry or graphicx.
 
@Johannes_B it loads eso-pci which loads xcolor which loads color which ends up loading the same back end code as graphics...
 
@DavidCarlisle pdftex.def
 
@Johannes_B exactly and I added a setting of \pdfpageheight to that as it seemed a good idea at the time
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, LuaTeX also loads pdftex.def. Never consciously noticed that so far.
 
2:27 PM
@Johannes_B See expl3 model where we look at this as a driver: l3pdfmode.def
 
Is currently anyone here who can sacrifice some time for me, looking over a 2-page "handout" to judge it's layout and to offer some tips what to change?
If not it's not a problem i'm just curious whether my random clicking looks good o.O
 
3:02 PM
@rapus95 I can't promise, but fire off.
 
well since it's german you really don't have to cover the content but only the layout... nevertheless most of it you may understand :D
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cb686n5jb0akako/Handout.pdf?dl=0
 
@rapus95 I don't understand German, but the topic is clear and known to me. Not bad for a scheme/résumé. You should learn proper quotes: in German they should be \glqq and \grqq for opening and closing quotes respectively.
@rapus95 I wouldn't use that kind of alignment (about which you asked here): the formulas should be flush left (no alignment at =) and the explanation text should immediately follow (not flush right).
 
2 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@rapus95 don't use "xxxx" use ``xxxx''
 
in Discussion between rapus95 and Johannes_B, 21 hours ago, by Johannes_B
@rapus95 I really don't have enough experience with mathematical typesetting. But make sure you are using the correct quote marks. Best to let package csquotes deal with that.
 
@rapus95 By the way, $b^n-1=0$ means nothing in a multiplicative group.
 
3:17 PM
@egreg well that concrete Calculation is in K i need it in order to prove that there are no more than n solutions for b
 
Just stumbeld over an old question over LC. Redefine newcommand and others within the document to issue a warning.
 
@Johannes_B Can't be done safely
 
@JosephWright That's what i thought.
@JosephWright Btw, just reading l3pdfmode.def ;-)
 
means $b^n-1 \in K[b]$. my reason why i can do that is because i can always move to outer structures (group->ring->field) as long as i don't change the operators and ensure that all elements are still available in the outer structures. They way to inner structures should be possible in the sense of "if the the field there are x solutions then in any substructure like the group there can't be more solutions)
would you say that argument is valid?
 
@rapus95 No, it isn't: you say “Let M be a group”, so no subtraction or zero exists. In a finite field you can of course do that, but it's a different situation.
 
3:30 PM
@egreg but M<K^\times where K is a field and M is finite and K^\times is the multiplicative group of the field
 
@rapus95 You're not saying it.
 
@egreg well that's true o.O i say that later xD but thx i gonna add it in that sense that "If there is a 'completion' of M to a field then the 2nd description is valid too" does that make sense? what is the mathematical word for that 'completion'?
 
@rapus95 No, it's not true in general that a group can be embedded in a field. Not even for cyclic groups.
 
@egreg well i meant 'if' it's possible for the given group M then it's valid o.O if that's wrong too then is there any way to correct it w/o having to move the whole part down,removing it or restricting M for all sets?
 
@rapus95 -- in the box at the bottom, the line at the bottom is too close to what is above it. the space should probably be about the same height as the space above "konkretere werte". some of the other spacing is a bit uneven, but that's the worst.
 
3:50 PM
@rapus95 Just don't add that piece. You can use it when you know that $M$ is a subgroup of the multiplicative group of a field. It's completely irrelevant information.
 
@barbarabeeton do you have an idea how i can add vertical spacing after \end{minipage}? Well i found it out but that moves the last line to the next page -.-
 
yo'
@rapus95 minipage behaves like a letter. You need either \\[5ex] or better \par\vspace{5ex}
 
@barbarabeeton @egreg now most stuff should be corrected, if you're still interested in, just reload the page
well i've got a problem -.-
When there is only
Der Körper mit vier Elementen ist bis auf Isomorphie eindeutig (und existent).
then everything fits to a single line but when there is
Der Körper mit vier Elementen ist bis auf Isomorphie eindeutig (und existent). Anmerkung: Als Grundkörper für die Polynome muss $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}$ genutzt werden.
then it breaks the line like that:
Der Körper mit vier Elementen ist bis auf Isomorphie eindeutig (und exis-
tent). Anmerkung: Als Grundkörper für die Polynome muss $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}$ genutzt werden.
solved it
 
4:13 PM
@rapus95 Please always psot full (but minimal) examples that are easy to test for us. Highlighting code would be even more great.
 
well i'd say it wasn't even worth to be mentioned here... i solved it by placing \\ facepalm
 
4:33 PM
@rapus95 -- in this case, the double backslash could be acceptable. however, since "anmerkung:" starts a new thought, perhaps it could be considered as starting a new paragraph, so the previous line needn't be "full". whatever you did in the earlier "satz" would seem appropriate here too.
 
Why can I say something silly like \let\[\relax in my class file, but my document still compiles ?
 
4:47 PM
@1010011010 why shouldn't it?
 
@DavidCarlisle Because it contains the command... and I just defined it as crap.
 
@1010011010 I don't understand why you'd think it not be legal.
 
@DavidCarlisle It's certainly legal, but I'd expect my document to break down where I used \[ ... \]
 
@1010011010 your initial comment implied you expected an error at \let\[\relax but quite probably something else redefined \[ back again, amsmath, unicode-math, ...
 
 
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6:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle I have some progress with github.com/michal-h21/luatex-harfbuzz-shaper LaTeX nodes are processed now, so it can be used in documents. also feature selection works now:
 
@JosephWright Just noticed, that you have package geometery in the requirements section of achemso.
 
@Johannes_B Yes
 
Hi @michal.h21 If you are wondering, i am the guy currently dropping in on your biblatex-iso stuff.
@JosephWright Just wanted to drop a note.
 
@Johannes_B great, I don't in fact really understand current Biblatex, so it seems some things might be broken recently. also I created the package for older version of the norm and I really don't like some changes in the new version
 
@michal.h21 I'll see what i can do and then do a pull request. english-iso.lbx definitely needed some fixing ;-)
 
6:19 PM
@Johannes_B probably, it is really old, also the code is horrible, it was my first LaTeX package
 
6:31 PM
@michal.h21 I haven't had time to look closely at this, but why all the language stuff?
 
@Johannes_B because in Czech interpretation of the norm, which is officially required by many Czech universities, you must have some texts in bibliography in language of your document, while others must be in the language of cited publication. it is insane
 
@michal.h21 Ok, i'll have a look at it.
 
@michal.h21 oh thanks (I must have done something wrong as I thought I'd set github to tell me but I haven't seen any notification)
 
@DavidCarlisle I think that with watching you just get issues with mail, not regular commits
 
@michal.h21 ah...
 
6:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle what still doesn't work at all is Arabic. I start to understand Khaled's frustration
 
@michal.h21 still good that you are making progress. Are you planning to advertise it on luatex list or elsewhere? or do you think Hans will shout at you for not using lua font loading:-)
@michal.h21 I haven't tried it yet (have been a bit preoccupied building xetex, and didn't have the heart to see if I could build sile on cygwin)
 
@DavidCarlisle I am little bit worried :) but more importantly, I should finish other project first, I must be working on tex4ebook presentation and paper for a conference which will be on beginning of July.
@DavidCarlisle but I am not sure whether I will be able to make more progress, this isn!t really my area of expertise, so it would be nice if someone could make further progress
 
7:07 PM
@michal.h21 yes but that requires letting people know that there is a start, even if you are out of time someone could pick up from there and fork your project, especially if you give encouragement for people to do that
 
Okay, this seems trivial but... how do I go from writing a \string with only numerical information to extracting it.. example \string\x{id}{\the\count2}, so that I can use \y{id} to get \the\count2 at the moment of writing?
 
@michal.h21 in particular the guy who did sile may have some insights....
 
the id is also numerical
 
@1010011010 do you mean \string there?
 
@DavidCarlisle I suppose?
 
7:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle you are right, I should let them know
 
@1010011010 \string\x just turns the control sequence x into the characters \ and x
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm writing it to the aux file, I thought that was kind of what I would want?
@DavidCarlisle Okay, I guess I gave you too little context...
The whole process is: --> determine how many times \[ \] is called within an environment --> store the amount of times it happened --> write it to the aux file --> use the value from the aux file on the next run
The environment has an id and a corresponding amount of times the call to \[ \] happened
 
@1010011010 at end of environment \immediate\write\@auxout{\gdef\string\x{{\id}{\the\count2}}}
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I got that far
 
@1010011010 assuming \id expands to the current id.
@1010011010 well that's the winning post
@1010011010 the above is wrong but can't be edited now. answering code questions in chat is a pain, ask a real question with a real example on site
 
7:21 PM
I have the feeling that my evil plan won't work out today ...
Why did i answer? To be honest, once i want to have a daily rep of 200 as well. :-) — Johannes_B 5 hours ago
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah sorry. I had the same thing excluding a \gdef. Got the right idea, e.g. I got \macro{\id}{\the\count2} with the correct values, just can't extract them with \anothermacro{\id} --> expands to \the\count2... but yes I'll post question I suppose
 
@1010011010 write \x{id}{3} to the aux and define \x by \def\x#1#2{\global\@namedef{count-#1}{#2} then \csname count-id\endcsname` will expand to 3 when you need it
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah that's why. I thought \@namedef was restricted to alphabetic characters only...
 
@1010011010 don't try inputenc accented characters etc, but any non-active character is more or less safe.
 
8:11 PM
As my evil plan of hitting the rep cap won't work out today, and i am terribley tired, i am saying one thing to you guys: Good night.
 
@Johannes_B night..
 
@DavidCarlisle Am replying to the lists :-)
 
@JosephWright Just disappointed to see the thread get taken on one of Phil's diversions:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I shall stick to the points I want
 
@JosephWright In the case of luatex, presumably it's really Karl's ini file that is controlling this rather than the luatex engine team isn't it? (although their input would be good of course)
 
8:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes but for LuaLaTeX at least the whole point of the recent changes is we get to make the call. For plain it's down to KB.
 
@JosephWright yep (got your email as well) I agree we should make the catcodes the same in *latex whatever the settings are,
 
@DavidCarlisle Probably will sort over the weekend: enough time for discussion to be done
 
I had a doctor appointment today, it was a ducktologist. :)
 
@JosephWright I'm wondering if I should make a local allocation package, the forest use wasn't entirely unreasonable allocates boxes per node in tree to discard at end of each picture
 
8:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see the polytonic Greek business is going to be controversial (not surprisingly)
 
8:56 PM
@JosephWright what have the Romans ever done for us?
@JosephWright good reason to stick to the UCD and blame someone else for all decisions
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle Unicode is popular with developers for a reason
 
9:34 PM
How is this robust code? tex.stackexchange.com/a/15374/44160 ... I feel like I'm going to break something at one point with this
 
@Johannes_B always expect the unexpected
@1010011010 Bruno's code is usually pretty robust, but don't do it anyway, it answered the question of how to implement that syntax it didn't answer the unasked question of whether the syntax is a good idea.
 
9:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle Seems like a bad idea, wouldnt it break starred commands?
 
@1010011010 that would easily be fixable (just make \@ifstar accept an active star)
 
This seems like something that people here would have opinions on/be amused by: johndcook.com/blog/2015/05/05/information-hiding
 
@Canageek I suspect they wouldn't approve of a language that allows inline replacement of tokens in the parsed definitions of running code.
 
10:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle :-) Seems i hit the rep cap. And now for everyone enjoying good music: youtube.com/watch?v=qJxU_ourLwg
 
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Q: Availability of new braids package

Enrique ArtalI have been using both braid and knot packages. I have seen that a new braid package is available here but not in CTAN. Are there any projects to submit the new one to CTAN? One can always download it from here but it is annoying to use a "private" package in collaborative work or when uploading ...

 
@DavidCarlisle btw: thanks for correcting my spelling mistake. :-)
 
One for Andrew Stacey?
 
@Johannes_B don't get too excited, not everyone has @PauloCereda's skills for evading the serial voting checking bots
 
@PauloCereda Where have you been all day?
 
10:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle so Arabic is working some how:
text is copied from amirifont.org
I only don't understand why first word (
الخط) is wrong. But it is wrong even with Sile, so it is maybe some Harfbuzz issue
 
@michal.h21 see I'd be useless at this, I'd never spot if a word was wrong (or even remember which end of the line to look for the first word:(
 
10:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle Also TeX doesn't hide much, which is why packages fight all the time.
 
\bgroup and \egroup don't open groups, right? or will \aftergroup also work for that
 
@Canageek it doesn't hide anything :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Which is both great and annoying....
 
@1010011010 Yes, they do form a group.
 
@1010011010 \egroup doesn't open a group, \bgroup does
 
10:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@1010011010 my answer is more correct than @egreg's (despite his attempt to change history)
 
@DavidCarlisle As usual. :P
 
@egreg I thought about adding that, but I'm not so rude:-)
 
Does anyone know of any kitting pattern packages?
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Q: Are there any packages for knitting?

CanageekSo I showed my girlfriend the braids package, and she asked if their are any packages for knitting patterns. I couldn't find any on ctan with a quick search, so I thought I'd ask here. Are their any packages for knitting or related disciplines?

 
@barbarabeeton ^^^
 
11:15 PM
@Canageek texdoc knitting
 
11:42 PM
@egreg texdoc chemistry doesn't find nearly every chem package, at least using texdoc.net
 
@Canageek nah, for that you want: ctan.org/topic/chemistry
 

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