TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Alan Munn

12:04 AM

@TeokanDuranDemircan He's very shy. And waiting for @egreg to ask one first.

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CarLaTeX

6:07 AM

@HenriMenke Oh yes, let's migrate it to Meta, let's not close it!

David Carlisle

6:56 AM

@TeokanDuranDemircan I've been waiting for @egreg to explain where the ask a question button is, but he's just so unreliable, I'm still waiting.

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Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle I think he does not know that either, but he's a bit too shy to admit it :P

egreg

@Moriambar Never found. Never looked for, actually.

Moriambar

@egreg that's what I thought. I wish I could say the same...

egreg

@Moriambar What would a Q&A site be without Q’s?

Moriambar

@egreg a playground for enhancements

we could help Frank's studies on pagination, if we wouldn't have questions to ask

CarLaTeX

7:42 AM

But if I read egreg instead of egrep, does it mean I'm spending too much time on TeX.SE?

Moriambar

@CarLaTeX perhaps. Maybe you just wanted an egreg to solve your daily job problems :)

CarLaTeX

@Moriambar It'd be very useful to have one at work!

Moriambar

@CarLaTeX I understand, I wish there were one here too. Or a @DavidCarlisle... he could teach me English slang too

CarLaTeX

@Moriambar Of course! He's also a simpatico umorista :)

Moriambar

@CarLaTeX perhaps I could come to appreciate Monty Python. But he makes me laugh nevertheless... Also he pushed me to re-read Appendix G and extract useful information, that is good

CarLaTeX

7:52 AM

@Moriambar 👍

David Carlisle

@Moriambar Potrei anche insegnare al giusto italiano

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle Chi è il giusto? Or do you mean that I am the right Italian?

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle This time Google translator failed

Moriambar

@CarLaTeX shhh, I gave him a way out, don't spoil the magic :P

CarLaTeX

@Moriambar ops

David Carlisle

8:00 AM

@Moriambar you see you really do need more lessons. Don't worry you'll pick it up.

@CarLaTeX Non possibile!

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle thanks master! to be honest I'm looking forward to the next time I'll be able to be useful around here. Should come in about 15 to 20 years I guess

David Carlisle

@Moriambar so you have time to finish reading chapter 23

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle I should say it failed twice :)

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle Tonight I'll read it. But without a purpose (and also, without having clear what is written in the 22 that are before it) it's less fun. Also I have to pause Hobbes and Nietzsche to do so... I hope it's worth it

David Carlisle

@Moriambar a quicker way to reach 23 would be to start from the other end. Start with appendix D (the best bit) then work backwards from there.

Moriambar

8:07 AM

@DavidCarlisle Ok great. I know that Appendix B is about the plain style definitions, what are A, C and D about?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Nearly done with dvipdfmx.def suggestions: I want to cover image caching yet, but first need to move the scaling stuff away as that won't work (needs to scale using a pdftex.def-like approach). Also, I have a feeling the bbox stuff needs adjustment: only EPS files can have a bbox that doesn't start at (0,0)!

@DavidCarlisle Probably will land before the team meeting (@egreg too I guess, but DPC is the graphics expert)

David Carlisle

8:33 AM

@Moriambar A is answers to questions (you don't need those) C is character tables (useful but dull) D is dirty tricks

@JosephWright I'll look at the dev branch versions in more detail before the meeting.

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle Oh lord. Now I was in my second or third reading of chapter 12, glues... I'm not that familiar with anything actually... especially the 4 modes, so I don't know whether I'll be able to get dirty tricks, not understanding clean ones :)

but I'll give it a chance

Is the "low quality based on content length" automated?

David Carlisle

@Moriambar yes (I think so) as a reason to push it to the review queue

Moriambar

8:49 AM

@DavidCarlisle thanks

David Carlisle

@Moriambar I'm something of an expert in answers that get flagged for low quality based on content length tex.stackexchange.com/a/85277/1090

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle ahahah I see

In the end I never came around to use emacs as a LaTeX editor: it takes too much to learn how to do things that I use really rarely...

Paulo Cereda

9:55 AM

The duck has landed.

I repeat, the duck has landed!

🇬🇧

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you landed in GB? I think you got the wrong plane

A Simmons

MiKTEX still down for everyone? They've removed the outage message on the site but I'm still having trouble

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle do they allow ducks in GB?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda s/allow/eat then yes.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

David Carlisle

10:00 AM

@PauloCereda did you scroll back to the very important ping for you yesterday (re the stackoverflow blog)

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle in Italy too!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle saw it today, that's quite aggressive. 😁

Moriambar

@PauloCereda how was your flight?

Paulo Cereda

@Moriambar tiresome, but fine. It left late, it arrived before schedule.

Moriambar

@PauloCereda well that's great

Paulo Cereda

10:10 AM

@Moriambar it is! 🇮🇹

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda 🇵🇹 … 🦆 … 🇧🇷

Ulrike Fischer

10:52 AM

@PauloCereda Hey, that's my text ;-)

Moriambar

11:19 AM

@DavidCarlisle chapter 23 seems not to be so scary right now (I'm sneaking a read via internet via my phone during my lunch break)...

daleif

New mathtools release sent of to CTAN. Hope I did not break too many existing documents. Had to steal a few macros from etoolbox in order to make sure \abs[] was still in the non-scaled wrapper branch (\DeclarePairedDelimiter). I also cleaned up at bit, so now \DeclarePairedDelimiterX is simply the same as \DeclarePairedDelimiterXPP with empty pre- and postcode.

Moriambar

@daleif wonderful! So now I'll just have to wait for the release of TeX Live! I'm curious about how you solved the \rvert^2 vs \mathclose{\rvert}^2

daleif

@Moriambar The boring way: split it into three branches: Auto scale, nonscaled which now use \mathclose<fence> and scaled which uses \mathclose{<scaled fence>}. Having to go into font details was a bit too much for this.

Moriambar

11:34 AM

@daleif oh, I see. i will gladly use it just to see how it works. I know I had no part in this, but I consider it my turning point in my TeX/LaTeX studies

daleif

11:52 AM

@Moriambar It seems to work ok in my tests. But the code is not pretty.

Moriambar

@daleif I'm sure it works! And however ugly the code is, I'm pretty sure I've seen and done worse

Joseph Wright

12:56 PM

@egreg, @DavidCarlisle Re tex.stackexchange.com/questions/371393/…, any idea why DEK did this? Might we for example ask the LuaTeX team to alter the behaviour?

egreg

@JosephWright It has been discussed on the site, IIRC

@JosephWright The reason is placing subscripts and superscript correctly for an Accent atom. But perhaps not the cleanest idea.

Alan Munn

Any pandoc users here?

David Carlisle

1:23 PM

@JosephWright as egreg says I think it's so \hat{P}_1 gets the subscript of P_1 not {P{}}_1 but it would have been better if the internal math atome re-organisation hadn't affected the allowable user syntax

Paulo Cereda

2:37 PM

Finally at home!

@UlrikeFischer Speaking of ducks, guess what's waiting for me in the mail. <3

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Indeed: surely solvable in LuaTeX

David Carlisle

@JosephWright which reminds me I got no feedback on that ifincsname issue

user972851

2:52 PM

Has anyone seen a template for candle stick diagrams in latex. I can't find one

David Carlisle

@JosephWright My removal of Heiko's defensive catcode programming?.... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/371418/…

Torbjørn T.

@user972851 What's a candle stick diagram?

user972851

@TorbjørnT. "candle stick chart"... most often used for stock charts I think

Candlestick chart

A candlestick chart (also called Japanese candlestick chart) is a style of financial chart used to describe price movements of a security, derivative, or currency. Each "candlestick" typically shows one day; so for example a one-month chart may show the 20 trading days as 20 "candlesticks". It is like a combination of line-chart and a bar-chart: each bar represents all four important pieces of information for that day: the open, the close, the high and the low. Being densely packed with information, they tend to represent trading patterns over short periods of time, often a few days or a few trading...

actually I want to compare variable domain limits

Torbjørn T.

@user972851 Seeing as they look nearly identical to a box plot, you can probably modify a pgfplots boxplot.

user972851

@TorbjørnT. thanks ;)

Ulrike Fischer

3:06 PM

@PauloCereda Oh ;-). I hope we will see a foto soon.

@DavidCarlisle Imho people using ascii in \MakeAutoQuote get what they deserve ...

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer not sure why it doesn't work if you \AtBeginDocument{\MakeAutoQuote{>}{<}} as for a babel shorthand

@UlrikeFischer people using non ascii letters in text also?

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- and home safely, i trust.

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton Yes! And I have a nice report to write. :)

barbara beeton

@Moriambar -- hmmm. that comment implies that there's a pdf file of the texbook online somewhere. that's frowned on. would you care to let me know (via mail to tugboat@tug.org) where you found it?

@daleif -- do you know whether the new mathtools will make it into tex live? i thought that was frozen already.

@JosephWright -- my guess as to why dek did anything is because it sufficed for what he needed. if a counterexample (or qualifying example) had been presented to him early enough in the game, he might well have modified the program to handle it. i have firsthand documentary evidence that he did that at least once. (a written note in the very first tex manual that he made a change based on an example i showed him -- introduction of \firstmark.)

Ulrike Fischer

3:28 PM

@DavidCarlisle csquotes already defers the activation. And it does a lot of initialization at begin document. \AtBeginDocument{\MakeAutoQuote{>}{<}} before csquotes would work.

David Carlisle

3:41 PM

@UlrikeFischer aha I guessed it was that something else was stacking things in atbegindocument. I wonder if that's worth an answer (it can be easier than re-arranging the package loading in some contexts)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Sorry that's a misunderstanding. I meant "work" in the sense that you get the correct quotes: Compare

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[german=guillemets]{csquotes}
\AtBeginDocument{\MakeAutoQuote{>}{<}}
\begin{document}

>OuterQuote >InnerQuote< OuterQuote<

\end{document}

with

\documentclass{article}
\AtBeginDocument{\MakeAutoQuote{>}{<}}
\usepackage[german=guillemets]{csquotes}

\begin{document}

>OuterQuote >InnerQuote< OuterQuote<

\end{document}

Moriambar

@barbarabeeton yup, I 'm just home from work; give me a bit of time and I'll mail you

Ulrike Fischer

But it doesn't avoid the error in the question. The activation is nevertheless earlier than whatever else is loaded in \AtBeginDocument and then clashes with the active <. But as imho it is madness anyway to use < it didn't try to find out what exactly clash.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer hmm I'll give up then, @JosephWright can decide whether to make it work in an updated luatex.def:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Well with luatex you can naturally always reset the complete catcode table to something sane before reading a file. Probably it is not a bad idea to simply do it always anyway.

Paulo Cereda

3:55 PM

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My new duck arrived!

@UlrikeFischer ^^ <3

Moriambar

@PauloCereda ehr… which one is the new one? They're all awesome anyway

Paulo Cereda

@Moriambar The Lego one!

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda ;-))

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer Thank you!

Ulrike Fischer

4:10 PM

@PauloCereda my pleasure. Ducks from Mönchengladbach feel good in Brasilia!

Moriambar

@PauloCereda nice. The Union Jack one looks the best though

Moriambar

4:35 PM

@barbarabeeton you should have mail

David Carlisle

Wow, I just got a gold badge for an entirely trivial and not very good answer (I know how @egreg must feel)

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle could you tell which one?

anyway there are gold badges for basically random upvotes… I'm not impressed :P

David Carlisle

@Moriambar look at badges on the home page but:

100

A: Underscores in words (text)

You may prefer the character from the tt font: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \texttt{Samp\_Dist\_Corr} \verb|Samp_Dist_Corr| \texttt{Samp\char`_Dist\char`_Corr} \end{document} Or probably better add \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} then all the above forms will use the character from...

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle oh I see. Basically ~4000 of my 5000 rep comes from almost trivial, not very good and sometimes misleading answers :) Good answers almost never get upvoted :P

egreg

@DavidCarlisle You took unfair advantage from the low quality of the other answers

David Carlisle

4:41 PM

@egreg I spend 2 seconds on that and get a gold badge, I spent a week debugging threeparttable for @cfr and i get a couple of votes:-)

barbara beeton

5:01 PM

@Moriambar -- received with thanks.

@DavidCarlisle -- you left out one possibility, that one could make {\ttfamily\char``_} a macro and use that.

^^^ that should be only one backtick in the middle. (how does one get that to work anyhow?)

David Carlisle

5:43 PM

@barbarabeeton like this: {\ttfamily\char`_}

@barbarabeeton Est bonus sum loqui omnibus linguis.

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- well, that's very nice, but how is it input? (i'll have to look at the sandbox again ...)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton use \`

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- vero

@DavidCarlisle -- and thanks.

Moriambar

6:14 PM

@DavidCarlisle I tried your method, but I think it's best to re-read at least through chapter 15 before dealing with chapter 23 (and possibly more to even become to understand appendix D)

(ie, I feel I'm not getting much)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton ^^^ would you say reading the texbook backwards starting from appendix D was bad advice?

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- it's hard for me to say ... when i first read the texbook, i started with the copyright page. but since i was the source of some of the examples in appendix d, my advice is to not miss that! (maybe read the descriptions of what's intended, but leave trying to understand the code until more of the earlier chapters is firmly in your head.) actually, starting with the index is probably even better.

Moriambar

6:43 PM

@DavidCarlisle the problem is that appendix D gives some concepts and macros for granted, so it's easy to misunderstand something or simply not to understand what the whole fuss is about. I already have read the TeXBook in the past, but having small to none experience (especially with TeX without "La"), it's hard to understand what DEK is talking about. I mean: I don't actually understand that well how boxes are created or vertical vs horizontal modes

@barbarabeeton I'm sorry… I never got quite that good to understand appendix D. To this date I never read it (except giving that a try before). Appendix I I never used :)

Paulo Cereda

7:08 PM

ooh the velociraptor arrived

ShreevatsaR

@PauloCereda it is friendly to the duck :-)

Paulo Cereda

@ShreevatsaR awww <3

ShreevatsaR

@barbarabeeton to corrorborate what you said about you being the source of some of the examples in Appendix D (the "Key index in Mathematical Reviews" for example) — I watched the series of videos and in them DEK often turns to you for confirmation/questions :-) He also assigned some of those examples as homework exercises in the "Advanced" class... the students didn't have the TeXbook then :-) Some are also in the Breaking Paragraphs into Lines paper.

these videos: youtube.com/…

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David Carlisle

7:25 PM

@ShreevatsaR so we should thank DEK for all the mathematical elegance in tex and BB for all the dirty ticks?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle And you for 100% bug free packages

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda naturally

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle can I be thanked too?

ShreevatsaR

@DavidCarlisle I guess thank @barbarabeeton for showing DEK the requirements of mathematical elegance, and DEK for making it possible somehow with dirty tricks :-)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda no

Paulo Cereda

7:27 PM

@DavidCarlisle oh

@DavidCarlisle: I took a photo specially for you in Portugal, let me find it

Moriambar

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle for 100% bug free and colourful packages

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ^^

A Simmons

MIKTeX is still down?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I can't imagine why you thought of me

@ASimmons seems to be reports on the main site all day. Most of us here don't use miktex though so no real information from me at least.

Paulo Cereda

7:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle :)

A Simmons

@DavidCarlisle Yeah I don't use it much either but the one day I need to set up a new machine it goes down

@DavidCarlisle there was an outage notice yesterday but it's not been there since this morning

Moriambar

@ASimmons it was a sign to migrate to TeX Live! :P

A Simmons

I might be forced to

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda one image deserves another in return, I believe.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle is that, by any chance, duck related?

David Carlisle

7:47 PM

@PauloCereda yummy Chinese pancakes

Moriambar

@PauloCereda at least it's not thesis-related

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

David Carlisle

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

I see what you did there

David Carlisle

@Moriambar thesis related image as requested ^^

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Paulo Cereda

7:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle oy

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle I almost dropped on the floor laughing

Paulo Cereda

Velociraptors are more gentle

daleif

@barbarabeeton I don't know, I wrote Karl when he announced the freeze, but it took me a bit longer to finish it than expected. Hopefully

Ulrike Fischer

@ASimmons No.

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda The Lego duck! :):):)

Paulo Cereda

8:01 PM

@CarLaTeX Moar ducks! <3

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda <3

Gustavo Mezzetti

8:16 PM

@Moriambar I see that you have been talking about the dark corners of The TeXbook. I also saw that you have been discussing with @DavidCarlisle and @daleif about the positioning of superscripts, that is, Rule 18 of Appendix G.

Sorry, I should have said “Good evening to everybody”, first…

Did you solve the problem, in the end?

cfr

@DavidCarlisle I've never got that many votes for anything. And the system won't let me give you more than a couple of votes for debugging threeparttable :(.

Moriambar

@GustavoMezzetti Hey. The topic is really long, I will summarize: I read appendix G after reading/answering a question related to mathtools. Then I discussed further here and it prompted what you've seen (my "essay" on math superscript and whatnot). @daleif will tell you that the issue is solved, using his magic. Then @DavidCarlisle told me to read Chap 23 and Appendix D, but I find those way too advanced right now

@GustavoMezzetti I hope I've answered you more than you deemed necessary. If it is a bit misleading too, it's like my main site answers and I can be satisfied

daleif

8:35 PM

@Moriambar is there something actually written down about it? I just tried to work around it. But you guys went deep to figure out why.

Moriambar

@daleif about what, sorry?

@daleif you mean the "essay"?

David Carlisle

@cfr :-) I just thought it funny: when I saw the badge alert I had no recollection of the answer just from its title and when I looked at the answer I saw why: it was not at all memorable. I have no idea why that one picked up so many votes. It's not trivially silly like the grandma answer, and it doesn't show any particular tex knowledge

Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar One important point to note is that $\sigma_{18}$, which comes into play when the superscript is affixed to a subformula, and not to a single character, is taken froma the relative script font, e.g., \scriptfont 2.

Moriambar

@GustavoMezzetti Right. I should've slipped subtly somewhere in there

Gustavo Mezzetti

But what did you want to do: to rise the exponent when the fourier package is loaded, or to lower it also when CM is used?

David Carlisle

8:40 PM

@GustavoMezzetti either: just explain why they were different:-)

Gustavo Mezzetti

Well, the reason was what you said: basically, it happens because the CM’s \vert is taller.

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti the original question was the difference between \mathclose{\rvert}^2 and \mathclose\rvert^2 so two odd things: \mathclose without braces doesn't form a subformula so triggers different rules from appendix G and then you don't see the difference in the mathtools manual as it happened to use fourier

@GustavoMezzetti yes

Gustavo Mezzetti

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I know the difference between \mathclose\rvert and \mathclose{\rvert}. In any case, if you want to change the look of the output I would not touch any of the parameters of the font of the nucleus: I would adjust \fontdimen18 of the relative script size.

By the way, on te other hand \mathclose\vert and \mathclose{\vert} are the same, aren’t they?

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti it wasn't an intentional markup it was just arising out of a use of mathtools declarepaireddelimiter thing which produced an "unexpected" result if used with cm even though it looked Ok in the example in the manual. I understand daleif's addressed it now at source,

Gustavo Mezzetti

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I know, I did read the whole thread! :-)

Alan Munn

8:53 PM

@cfr I was thinking about the unrooted tree stuff. It seems that it might be possible to do it with forest by messing around with different edge paths. For example in the first diagram, you treat C as the root, branching to an empty node whose branches are horizontal etc. So the tree would look like this:

daleif

@Moriambar exactly. A writeup might be interesting on the site, just to show some of the complexity that lures beneath

Alan Munn

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[linguistics]{forest}
\begin{document}
\begin{forest}for tree={nice empty nodes,calign=fixed angles}
[C,calign primary angle=45
    [
	[,grow'=west, [D ] [E ]]
	[,grow'=east, [A ] [B ]]]
]]
\end{forest}
\end{document}

@cfr ^^^ and then adjust the edge path from C to be flat.

Moriambar

@daleif You mean like a self-answered question? In this case I could work to do that

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti yes needs to be rvert to show the issue (which is not really obvious even if you're read appendix G a few times:-)

Alan Munn

@cfr Because ultimately an unrooted tree can be thought of as a rooted tree is you pick one node to be the root. But the edge paths would then hide which one you picked.

Gustavo Mezzetti

8:56 PM

@DavidCarlisle No, it’s on p. 290, lines 11–13.

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti yes most things are somewhere in there but that's not same as being obvious

daleif

@Moriambar yes, and add some of Gustavos stuff as well.

Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar I could contribute a small test program that I’ve written this evening, which, I think, illustrates pretty well what’s going on. But not now, tomorrow. Now it’s time for bed, for me… :-)

My alarm sets off at 6.00 AM.

Moriambar

@GustavoMezzetti I understand. I've been there.

@daleif I could try. It seems to be a titanic effort :) Do you have a better suggestion for a question name, other than "positioning superscripts (without subscripts)"?

@GustavoMezzetti Ok, I will do my best, but anyone is free to override my answer and edit it and do whatever whenever they feel: I won't be home tomorrow, so I won't be able to attend to it

I just have to find a name for it

Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar “Trying to make some sense of Appendix G”! ;-)

Moriambar

9:04 PM

@GustavoMezzetti well it's not the whole appendix, but just superscripts and what it's involved with them

Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar I was joking… “Trying to make sense of Rule 18”, then? (Again, ;-)

daleif

@Moriambar how about "suttleties in placing superscripts: explaining what tex is actually doing" (I probably spelled suttleties wrong)

Moriambar

@daleif yup I think it's "subtleties". Anyway I'm working on it.

daleif

And why we sometimes get unexpected results.

Moriambar

thanks for the idea

daleif

9:07 PM

Nice

Gustavo Mezzetti

@daleif “Trying to make sense of Rule 18” sounds more mysterious, though! It’s more appealing… (Always joking ;-)

daleif

@GustavoMezzetti I like it, add a subtitle that explains it a little more.

Gustavo Mezzetti

@daleif I guess @Moriambar is now writing the question. But, wait a minute: it was @DavidCarlisle who rose the problem first, wasn’t it? Let’s let him ask the question! ;-)

Moriambar

@GustavoMezzetti yes I'm writing. He would never ask one, I bet. Other than that I suspect that if he asks it @egreg will pop up and answer quicker and better than me

so perhaps he could ask :P

Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar I’m absolutely sure that @egreg will answer, and it’ll be a great answer, as always…

Moriambar

9:21 PM

@GustavoMezzetti obviously. So you say I'd better fake answering my own question, and post it as an @egreg bait?

Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar No, I suggest that you post the question only when you are ready to post your answer as well. Do not let him more than 100–150 seconds.

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti nope daleif started it not me:-)

Gustavo Mezzetti

(I’m always joking, of course!)

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti @Moriambar as long as you make sure any example code in the question isn't missing a % then @egreg won't be able to answer.

Gustavo Mezzetti

@DavidCarlisle Appendix % of The TeXbook?

David Carlisle

9:30 PM

30 mins ago, by Gustavo Mezzetti

@Moriambar I could contribute a small test program that I’ve written this evening, which, I think, illustrates pretty well what’s going on. But not now, tomorrow. Now it’s time for bed, for me… :-)

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle it's easy: it suffices not to include any examples

Gustavo Mezzetti

OK, it’s high time for me to leave, now: good night to everybody!

Stefan Kottwitz

@GustavoMezzetti good night

daleif

9:47 PM

@DavidCarlisle @GustavoMezzetti it was a question on the site. I could not explain why there was a diffence so I came here. The first time we talked about it the conclusion was that the braces had something to do with it. The in my write up I noticed the issue is not shown if the Fourier package was used, so I came here again. Then @Moriambar went through appendix G

Moriambar

@daleif it's obviously not coming any clearer than appendix G

and possibly (somewhat to very) wrong too… but I'm trying

Moriambar

10:12 PM

0

A: Subtleties in placing superscripts: explaining what TeX is actually doing

This is best done stepwise. Step 0 - Notation and definitions Any symbol fonts (ie font family 2 in TeX language) must have at least 22 parameters in three different "styles" in order for TeX to typeset a formula. The "styles" roughly can be grouped as "text" for "display style", "text style" ...

@daleif @DavidCarlisle @GustavoMezzetti ^^^

it's awful but it's also quite late

@daleif @DavidCarlisle @GustavoMezzetti any suggestions are welcome, but probably you would be better off editing them in, since tomorrow I mostly won't be able to do anything to the question; I'll do what I can. I'm also waiting for the scolding of @egreg's and his better answer ;)

nbro

Cheers!

Anyone knows how to create a shortcut in TexMaker for the Quick Build, so that it works even if you're not in the main .tex page?

David Carlisle

10:29 PM

@Moriambar voted:-)

@nbro sorry it's not emacs so I know nothing:-)

nbro

@DavidCarlisle eheh, good old Emacs!

Moriambar

@DavidCarlisle cheers

Moriambar

11:16 PM

@barbarabeeton is rule 17 of appendix g contradicting page 290, (the first paragraph that fully starts on the page)? The first says that all the math list whose nucleus is a single symbol are typeset as a single character box, while the second implies that only ord atoms with at most accent atoms are

Going to bed now

Moriambar

11:27 PM

@barbarabeeton no of course I got it wrong. Please ignore my previous comment

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