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1:06 AM
@UlrikeFischer -- sounds like a plan.
@CarLaTeX -- ronald searle once drew a cartoon of a (very fluffy!) white persian cat sitting inside the closed door of a clothes dryer. it was in a whole book of cat cartoons, all delightful, but that was certainly the most memorable.
 
 
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6:29 AM
@egreg @barbarabeeton How common is it to reuse a page counter after the main matter? c.f. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/353901/…
 
@barbarabeeton After a turn in the dryer, it will have been very very fluffy! :):):)
@Johannes_B I'm not an expert, but it seemed very strange to me!
 
6:44 AM
@CarLaTeX German university students are asking for this every now and then.
 
@Johannes_B I've never seen a book with that kind of page numbering... :)
 
@CarLaTeX A bachelor or master report around here has not a lot value, certainly no typograhical value at all. :-/
 
@Johannes_B :)
 
 
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9:26 AM
@DavidCarlisle oy
 
@Johannes_B My instructions would be: number each page, starting from 1. End.
 
yo'
10:15 AM
@Johannes_B this is so poor! :-(
But anyway, to your question, three cents: (1) you never change the numbering style but continue the counter; you can omit the numbers in exceptional cases (title, half-title, colophon, dedication, empty pages, full-page figures). (2) you number each page exactly once, including the cover (title) page, with the exception of half-title which is again page 1.
 
@yo' The page number may not be shown, but it always steps. The inner title page is page 1. Simplicity first. ;-)
 
yo'
@egreg yeah, sorry, s/omit/hide/
 
10:45 AM
There's a Minecraft chicken here!
 
@PauloCereda hit it with a stone sword
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh or a shovel
 
 
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1:04 PM
@Johannes_B -- i don't think i've ever seen that kind of continuation of the page numbering (with the next number after the last frontmatter number). i have seen restarting with 1, sometimes with a prefix like "A-1" for appendix A.
 
1:19 PM
@barbarabeeton I've already seen such requests, unfortunately. Also numbering chapters with Roman numbers in the front matter and the back matter (with continuation) pops up from time to time.
@barbarabeeton It's absurd, but so many thesis regulations are ridiculous.
 
@egreg -- well, i deal mostly with requests already vetted by the ams production editors. and i'm 99+% certain that they would refuse such a request from an author, since ams has an established style. (glad i don't have to deal with flaky thesis rules; when i wrote my master's thesis, the only real rule was to use special paper with a preprinted red margin, double-space the text, and don't go outside the margins. and thankfully, by then they accepted photocopies so i could avoid carbons.)
 
1:52 PM
Well, I tend to recommend roman for frontmatter and a restart at 1 starting from mainmatter going through the rest of the project. Depending on whether or nor hyperref is used we might even use a third (Roman) numbering for hidden page numbers related to the title page.
 
yo'
2:38 PM
@daleif well, the only thing that tends to have a hidden page number, is the coverpage, which (1) is usually typeset separately and (2) if not, you can set it to page -1 as it's never getting its page number printed...
 
 
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3:43 PM
@yo' since memoir restets the page number after the titlingpage env, it is often just easier to use \pagenumbering{Roman} before the title page, then frontmatter and mainmatter
 
4:09 PM
@daleif It would be useful to have an option not to
 
4:26 PM
I prefer it as it is, if I'm not mistaken titlingpage* does not reset the page number (see the source, not at pc)
 
4:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see we have a bug report for an issue that must be 12 years old :)
@DavidCarlisle Of course, it's the usual missing % buiness (in basque.ldf): @egreg will I'm sure have a comment!
 
4:52 PM
@egreg @yo' @barbarabeeton I am glad you confirm that this strange numbering is not common. :-)
 
@JosephWright mmmm
! Package latexbug Error: Third-party file(s)
(latexbug)
(latexbug)                This test file uses third-party file(s)
(latexbug)
(latexbug)                ==============
(latexbug)                spanish.ldf
(latexbug)                basque.ldf
(latexbug)                ==============
 
@DavidCarlisle I know :)
@DavidCarlisle Except read basque.ldf
 
@DavidCarlisle Missing % at line 90?
 
@JosephWright latexbug doesn't seems to allow any ldf files though which seems a bit wrong since babel is supported
 
@egreg Yes
@DavidCarlisle Yes but the model for support has changed: Javier is looking after the 'core' but individual languages are split out
 
5:00 PM
@egreg yes but I was more thinking about whether latexbug.sty should be objecting
@JosephWright I know, but that doesn't help the user construct a test file for multiple language use if you can't use any languages
@JosephWright you replying on gnats or should I?
 
@DavidCarlisle I never get it right
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I can see that
 
I'll reply
 
\include{front} % This is the titlepage
\setcounter{page}{0}
\pagenumbering{roman}
@barbarabeeton @yo' @egreg ^^^^^^^ :-(
 
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright I also get an error from bblopts.cfg: It is actually (in my system) an empty local file (to avoid that in miktex bblopts.cfg from the arabi package is loaded). Could latexbug test if a file is empty and then refrain from complaining?
 
5:25 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh español
 
@PauloCereda No es un problema para mí.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh patos
 
@UlrikeFischer better would be if the aribi package was fixed not to distribute globally acting config files (That came up before not so long ago I think)
 
@DavidCarlisle: is it dangerous to poke the LuaTeX blokes?
 
@PauloCereda what were you planning to poke them with?
 
5:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle A discussion on the texdoc list.
@DavidCarlisle: I actually need to hear from Karl and mpg first.
 
texdoc not a list im on
 
@DavidCarlisle It has a low traffic. :)
@DavidCarlisle: for secret reasons, I have to be on that list. :)
 
@PauloCereda yes found it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@PauloCereda you writing a markdown interpreter in lua? (that isn't just os.exexcute('less' ?
 
5:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle No, a user reported a terminal encoding issue.
 
oh no, you can't be doing that. You are too busy with your thesis...
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
5:53 PM
@PauloCereda I think using less for markdown is pretty rubbish really and you could suggest using this
texlua markdown.lua /usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/latex/bxjalipsum/README.md
 
@DavidCarlisle emacs? :)
ooh
 
@PauloCereda which seems to make pretty reasonable html and avoid issues with non ascii characters on the terminal
Just need a single lua file markdown.lua from
which has a texlive compatible licence I think
 
@DavidCarlisle I will consider this in the future -- you know why. :) I am quite reluctant on using terminals to display fancy stuffl. I had a similar problem with arara and one localisation, I think it was Russian...
@DavidCarlisle starred, thanks.
@DavidCarlisle: also, there's that plan of yours: make everybody speak English. :)
 
@PauloCereda could suggest to Karl to add to tl as a default md reader
@PauloCereda Todos exceto eu
 
@DavidCarlisle I will poke him later.
@DavidCarlisle ó não!
 
5:58 PM
@PauloCereda too many squiggles
 
@DavidCarlisle it could be French. :)
 
@PauloCereda can't be Vietnamese as average of less than two accents per letter
 
@DavidCarlisle oh my
 
6:32 PM
I am not part of those who can vote, so I can't vote for David Carlisle in the TUG election.
 
@JasperLoy you should not believe anything @PauloCereda writes. I am not on the ballot.
 
Oh, OK, lol.
Debian Stretch was frozen earlier this month, so I hope it will be released in say June. I am guessing June is also when TL2017 will be released.
I think June is a good time because that's when the school holidays are for most people, so they install. =)
 
7:05 PM
Hi folks :) is there an arara rule for splitting a pdf with pdftk (or anything else)?
@PauloCereda ping <3
 
7:40 PM
Good evening, is there by any chance a native English speaker present? I am unsure with this expression "scientists with various backgrounds" or "from various backgrounds". Could you clearify this for me please? Sorry if this is too offtopic.
 
@Gudrun Don't worry about the "off-topic"... we speak of everything here! Unfortunately, I'm not English, but do you know there are also: english.stackexchange.com and ell.stackexchange.com?
 
No, I did not know. I will have a look!
 
@Gudrun 'from'
 
@JosephWright okay thank you and it does not matter with what verb I use this expression please? For example: I have worked with persons from various backgrounds. I managed persons from various backgrounds.
 
8:06 PM
@Gudrun 'people' not 'persons'
 
@JosephWright Upps, sorry. Thanks for the correction. It was just an example. I fixed my errors. :)
 
 
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9:57 PM
@CarLaTeX just a thesis is off topic here
 
 
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