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12:02 AM

@Kaveh1000 Sorry, but a two line announcement is not what I'd call “common knowledge” of what's really happening.

1:56 AM

@JosephWright — messing around a little in l3build, what do you think of the idea of a "verbose" option that prints things like "Unpacking XYZ.ins" and so on every step of the way? I'd be happy to start adding a few things, but don't want to muck up your code if you think that would "gum up the works" with additional lines of code to have to wade through.

Looking over Kaveh's letter. You know, I'll never read "egregious" the same way every again.

@egreg ^^

percusse

2:51 AM

Can someone explain to me why TUG is stuck with equally useless websites such as rivervalley? With dash and without? They are absolutely amateurish websites and have nothing to do with typography

No offense to the president or else but this is just nonsense to start with. The web is crawling with open source websites (and youtube, vimeo for that matter). I think TUG is to blame here also. Why do they let commercial companies host TUG material?

Stefan Kottwitz

3:41 AM

@percusse What do you mean with the connection TUG website and river valley?

@percusse And which TUG material is hosted by commercial companies?

I could imagine you mean videos of conferences taken by an employee of a third party company, which would not be TUG material I think

Will Robertson

6:02 AM

@percusse Kaveh films and produces the videos (as far as I know). I think he can host them where he likes.

Johannes_B

7:25 AM

@ChristianHupfer orange book updated on the template site.

Joseph Wright

@percusse The TUG website is I think hosted by the University of Aarhus. The design is quite 'classical' certainly, which I suspect reflects the workflow.

@percusse If you mean the videos, they are made by Kaveh so are not owned by TUG (copyright is owned by the producer of a video/image/...)

Oh, I see @StefanKottwitz already said that :-)

@WillRobertson I added a 'quiet' option a while ago: does that help?

Johannes_B

7:48 AM

@JosephWright latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=27130 Maybe you can give better hints.

Joseph Wright

7:59 AM

@Johannes_B Not much you can say, really: in all cases, any demos are just that, and you are meant to start from '\documentclass{whatever}' and add your own content

Johannes_B

@JosephWright There is a template available, you can just fill in the blanks.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Possibly, but REVTeX is I think quite 'tight': everything is in the class so there is really nothing other than the standard LaTeX mark up needed

Johannes_B

8:15 AM

@JosephWright Is it common knowledge how to open a file called README?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B I guess not nowadays: most people are used to the idea that files work with only one program

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Can't you just double click and it opens?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Doubtful: what's it going to open with?

Johannes_B

@JosephWright I seem to recall that Windows dialog box asking: what program to open that file with?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Exactly: most users won't know what to do

Johannes_B

8:19 AM

@JosephWright :-(

@JosephWright On the other hand, i wasn't able to answer a call on a friends smartphone.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B :-)

Johannes_B

@JosephWright The only way to make me answer would have been torture, sliding my finger from the pain. I was just tipping on that button and nothing happened.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Oh, it was locked so you had 'slide up to answer' or whatever (my sister has a smartphone)

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Something like that. I think it was a white smartphone.

Johannes_B

9:15 AM

The links are correct, they navigate to the correct pages. The only problem is the contents references the linked pages incorrectly. It seems as if the figures are not included in the page counter. — palmer10101 1 min ago

I don't understand what the OP means. Can somebody step in?

"On Mac OS: MacTeX and TeXWorks, both are good editors." (LaTeX basics for Theses on Youtube)

Joseph Wright

9:47 AM

@Johannes_B Nope, no idea

Hi @WillRobertson

Kaveh1000

10:09 AM

@egreg The board said "unbeknownst" to them I was taking legal action. The statement on my site clearly said I was taking legal action. If I should have done anything differently I will take your advice, and I will pay very special attention to your advice, @egreg. ;-)

@percusse Hi @percusse. The videos that I have recorded are all on YouTube. Our web site, Zeeba TV, is just a front end. Anyone, including TUG, can just link to the YouTube videos.

egreg

@Kaveh1000 I have no advice; but if the board says “unbeknownst to them”, would you not believe them? I think it's quite dangerous going this way.

Johannes_B

@egreg I wonder why expl3 chokes on that one: \def\month#1{\gdef\Zmonth{#1}} ;-)

Will Robertson

@JosephWright o hai

egreg

@Johannes_B \def\box{...}

Will Robertson

@JosephWright I was thinking the opposite of quiet! Does that mean you're okay with me adding the code? I guess I could do it in a branch and then merge in if appropriate.

Joseph Wright

10:18 AM

@WillRobertson It's a team product, you can do whatever :-)

Johannes_B

@egreg :-)

Will Robertson

@JosephWright hahahahahha

@JosephWright be careful what freedoms you allow me

Joseph Wright

@WillRobertson With -q/--quiet I mean that with it off you do get more noise than required already, so I wonder where you are seeing a new option helpful (will need to work with -q as they set the same thing)

@WillRobertson BTW, -v is 'taken' (or would have to be overloaded for different targets), so I guess just --verbose with no short option or -V/--verbose

Will Robertson

@JosephWright I was literally thinking of things like

  for _,i in ipairs(unpackfiles) do
    for _,j in ipairs(filelist(unpackdir, i)) do
      verboseprint("Unpacking file "..j)

with an appropriate definition of verboseprint

@JosephWright I'd be happy with either just --verbose or with -V as well (-V is used in some other places, off hand)

Joseph Wright

@WillRobertson I guess adjust the internals so optquiet is a case rather than boolean variable (all of the user settings are opt...)

Will Robertson

10:23 AM

@JosephWright Yep, I'd noticed them. I did wonder whether they should be optquiet = optquiet or userargs["quiet"] but I think I've decided that you don't want to ignore the user request :)

Joseph Wright

@WillRobertson The idea at present is that for the 'big' targets everything is as quiet as possible (as it is there is far too much printed to the terminal for my liking)

Will Robertson

@JosephWright I completely agree! The idea is you only want or need --verbose when debugging

I wouldn't change anything about l3build's default settings... they're pretty perfect

Joseph Wright

@WillRobertson I can adjust if you want, or you can go ahead (I'd alter optquiet to something like optinfolevel, which can then be used to pick up if the verbose option is on or not)

Will Robertson

@JosephWright No need to address immediately… I'll be looking at the code as I work on a build script for this unicode maths stuff. Hopefully later tonight

Joseph Wright

@WillRobertson OK, cool

Kaveh1000

10:35 AM

@egreg Not a question of not believing the board, most of whom have been friends of mine for years or decades, but I am just scratching my head thinking how they could not have known. My letter to board give examples of how it would have been obvious to anyone, let alone some of the most intelligent people I have come across!

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