@WillRobertson glass of wine and I think I got hyphenation back as well:-)

@DavidCarlisle Do you take feature requests for graphicx?

@AlanMunn no. go away.

there, that's how to treat users...

@AlanMunn but if I did take them, what would the request be?

@DavidCarlisle :) Ah, the wonders of the conditional. It might be a useful thing to have draft mode not choke on missing file, but just print the warning in the box. Kind of like a mixture of demo and draft.

@DavidCarlisle Context is this: tex.stackexchange.com/q/293930/2693 (the OP has the command all wrong, but the basic idea seems quite useful.)

@AlanMunn yes was just looking at source, thing is the draft mode one that prints the file reads the file to find out how much space to leave (so in pdftex it's sort of pointless as it has already read the file but in latex/dvips could save quite a lot of time) the demo one with the black box just makes things 100pt*150pt unless something else specified in optional arguments. I suppose I could make draft just use some arbitrary size if the file isn't found....

@AlanMunn Ok so It's midnight and first version failed:-) (easy to make the error go but if there's no extension given and the file isn't found the code is pretty lost (demo mode just redefines it not to even try, which simplifies things, probably easy enough if it wasn't late, may look another day) (if I took requests)

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Thanks. It doesn't matter to me much, but it seems like it would be a useful thing to have.

@JosephWright biblatex manual, the paragraph right before section 4 starts: This will not from a group. Maybe you can correct this for a later release. :-)

@AlanMunn seriously? ... :-O

@AlanMunn OTOH, thanks for digging out the meta question about the golden hammer. It's the good source since there's an answer by Shog9 there

Morning @DavidCarlisle

@DavidCarlisle foundry.supelec.fr/scm/…

@DavidCarlisle Note the commit comment!

@JosephWright :-) more worrying in a way was the list comment which means that future support of a vaguely tex-compatible luatex looks uncertain.

@DavidCarlisle Indeed: seemed to suggest they'll stop LuaTeX at v1.0 then switch to some new name for more changes which will be ConTeXt-focussed

@JosephWright about to drive to work if I can thaw my car out, back later....

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@yo' I knew you would disagree. ;-)

@user276387 ^^^ Oddly, I was thinking of posting an answer ...

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Reading the luatex list, i will have to take a closer look at ConTeXt it seems?

@Johannes_B Up to you

@JosephWright I could also go to that foggy dude behind the train station and get a cracked version of 3b2 to deal with my typesetting needs.

@Johannes_B it's a completely different system, OK in parts less OK in other parts:-) I haven't looked at it in depth for a long time, too much "central control" for my taste, even if I'm in the centre:-)

@Johannes_B ah I have a non-cracked version of that (it's actually what we use rather than TeX;-)

@DavidCarlisle I looked at the home page the other day (wanted to know the price tag out of curiosity) ... the images seemed to have no relation to the products advertised.

@DavidCarlisle Certainly some good ideas, some I'm less keen on

@Johannes_B Products like 3B2 don't tell you what they cost or what they do up-front!

@JosephWright Yep, that's true.

@JosephWright I think that one needs a retag, but i don't know which one suits ... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/137330/…

Any idea why @Gonzalo deleted his answer? tex.stackexchange.com/a/266315/37907

@Johannes_B @DavidCarlisle tex.stackexchange.com/a/30018/2388. And my view hasn't changed in the meantime (and I did look at context more than once). There is too much "my users should not mess with the system" in it for my liking. I don't want a system where I have to beg to get e.g. chess support.

@UlrikeFischer Upvoted midtime and at the end wanted to upvote again. Good answer.

@UlrikeFischer Certainly it's more of a single 'product'

@UlrikeFischer Of course, the 'L3 plan' is to have more in a new kernel, but at the same time the need to allow extensions is in the minds of the team

@UlrikeFischer For example, I'm worrying quite a bit about the conflict between the usefulness of Unicode engines and the need to still allow access to existing fonts, etc. It's not simple!

@JosephWright To ask once more, stuff like siunitx or chemmacros functionality will stay outside the kernel?

@Johannes_B I think something like chemmacros is quite clear: that's mainly extensions. For siunitx things are slightly more tricky as some form of 'align the numbers' column type really should be in an extended kernel, and that needs some kind of set up (could of course be simply dcolumn-based). But then tables need a lot of work yet so ...

@Johannes_B There's also the question of what does 'in the kernel' mean. Certainly I'd expect to have to 'activate' anything at all like siunitx but one might argue that this should be 'supported' code.

@JosephWright Right, forgot about the tables. But i read that extensions stay extensions. I would never need linguistics stuff, and vice versa @Alan might not need chemmacros

@Johannes_B voted for undeletion

@Johannes_B Quite

@Johannes_B I always say something like: 'As a user I shouldn't need to load fontenc, caption, float, hyperref as packages as this stuff should be built-in (with appropriate controls)'

@JosephWright As you can see in the comments I completly agree about the "more in the kernel". Some weeks ago I asked about the "more language in the kernel". But putting useful things in the kernel so that package writers can use it (and don't have to load packages like moredefs, makecmds, etoolbox ...) is something different to push package writers away.

@Johannes_B The issue becomes what's an extension: I think we'll want for example something much more like biblatex than classical BibTeX, but probably not all of it ...

@egreg Adding headinclude=ture and an updated screenshot and the answer is very good.

@UlrikeFischer Certainly

@JosephWright There is still some time left to think about the details ;-)

@Johannes_B Indeed

@UlrikeFischer What do you mean with push authors away?

@Johannes_B Well if you look at the discussions in the luatex list you find e.g. " but keep in mind that in context we don't expect users to mess at that level. If something [...] is needed we provide some (configurable) solution suited for that kind of situations. ". context is very reserved towards third party (aka package writers) additions.

@UlrikeFischer Ah.

@JosephWright new primitive to add for pdftex as well I see:-)

Can somebody confirm that geschichtsfrkl is in the doc and source part of TL, but nowhere else?

@Johannes_B Confirmed

@egreg Thanks.

@Johannes_B TeX Live (itself, I guess) deemed it useless because it's documented only in German, so it refuses to install it in the runtime tree. :P

@egreg Really?

wow

@Johannes_B AI built in. :)

@Johannes_B I already wrote a mail to the texlive list.

@egreg Well, i somehow deem it a bit useless.

@UlrikeFischer Merci, was just starting. I'll tell the OP to manually install so far.

@DavidCarlisle Huh?

@DavidCarlisle Oh, that one

Thanh added \pdfsuppressptexinfo, and it is installed in
the TeX Live sources in r39718.

Best,
Akira

@JosephWright I guess you saw by now:-)

@DavidCarlisle Indeed: any idea what it does?

@JosephWright I remember a discussion from earlier it's about making reproducible pdf so omitting dates and checksums and things from the pdfinfo fields I think

@DavidCarlisle Hmm, why's it called ...ptexinfo then not say ...pdfinfo

@JosephWright don't ask me:-)

@DavidCarlisle On another matter, I think I will change unicode-data based on the issue filed at the weekend

@JosephWright oh because of this:

pdftoepdf.cc-// The prefix "PTEX" for the PDF keys is special to pdfTeX;
pdftoepdf.cc-// this has been registered with Adobe by Hans Hagen.
pdftoepdf.cc-

@DavidCarlisle Ah, that does make sense

@DavidCarlisle I'll add to l3names, then

@JosephWright apart from the fact Hans could have chosen a prefix that wasn't the name of a different tex variant:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, true, but possibly at the time it wasn't obvious (pTeX is rather 'specialist')

@Johannes_B -- hear, hear!

@Johannes_B I agree, a good answer, @Ulrike!

@UlrikeFischer -- for submissions to tugboat, we've found it nearly impossible to match the defined style, which is supported easily with both plain and latex. the consequence is, no matter how good the content of a submission, it always takes lots more time to process. discouraging.

\documentclass[
	twoside,
%	parskip=half,
	english,
	headings=small,
	headinclude,
]{scrreprt}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{babel}
\usepackage{libertine}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage[automark]{scrlayer-scrpage}
\usepackage[style=authoryear,maxcitenames=3,backend=biber]{biblatex}
\addbibresource{mainbib.bib}
\usepackage{blindtext}% gives the filler text at the very end.
\usepackage{hyperref}% hyperlinks in this sample bibliography
\hypersetup{pdfborder = 0 0 .5}

I am thinking about submitting this smal example as a template to the template site.

@Johannes_B Would be a great idea :)

@RomainPicot No, i really mean it. I just need some killer text that speaks of extensability cleanliness and simplicity and stuff to hide that this really is pretty much ... minimal.

great commit

Does it happen to you too that you sometimes can't copy and paste from a question? E.g. in this question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/294013/… I can't select anything with the mouse. (ctrl+A + ctrl+C works fine and copies the whole page).

@UlrikeFischer could be a browser thing, I can select anything, the inner frame scrolls itself when needed

@yo' Yes, but what triggers the browser problem? The page is now back to normal, but it is not the first time (and I think (but I'm not sure) that the scrollbars weren't there, when it didn't work).

@UlrikeFischer ah the scrollbars missing could be even due to things like too slow loading of the page. What browser do you use?

Also, the browsers in general have two or more scrolling modes; sometimes a cursor is shown which navigates through the text; this often messes things up. I believe the magic key is F7 in these situations...

@yo' ok I will try F7 next time I see the problem ;-).

@UlrikeFischer or try F5, or copying the web address and opening it in a new tab ;)

@JosephWright one for a "units geek" xkcd.com/1643

@DavidCarlisle kelvin

@JosephWright 271.15 Kelvin this morning:-)

@DavidCarlisle Morten seems to be back :-)

@JosephWright ? perhaps you get mail quicker...

@DavidCarlisle He's asking about SVN set up on the Mac, so not on the team list

@JosephWright ah everyone seems to be getting macs these days

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle I think he might go for my 'There are lots of Git GUIs ...' suggestion ;-)

@DavidCarlisle I find it rather odd that despite the fact my job is not an IT one, I get questions about version control from people who do have that background (not just on the team)

@JosephWright yes but it's something you pick up by use rather than education so having used svn and git you must be a natural source of git/svn info:-)

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle Much the same with many tasks at work

@JosephWright er yes I sometimes wonder how I survive here having opted to avoid all the numerical analysis courses that I could:-)

@UlrikeFischer Have you send the mail regarding geschichtsfrkl to the TL list? I cannot see it.

@Johannes_B yes

@Johannes_B tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2016-February/037760.html

@egreg Seems i am a bit behind today. I just got the mail from norbert from this morning/noon

@Johannes_B ask @ChristianHupfer, it's probably the gravitational waves.

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Don't mess around with gravitational waves ;-) They will come and distort you by one billionth of the diameter of a proton -- I am not sure you can stand this torture ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Worse than the comfy chair?

@egreg Much worse than the comfy chair @PauloCereda

Scott is answerring LyX questions. Yay :-)

@Johannes_B Lyx -- command not found ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I do have it installed and occasionally open it to try to answer a question

@Johannes_B Well, it's your life and time :-P

@ChristianHupfer Yes :-)

@Johannes_B what about your studies? :-P

@ChristianHupfer Can't hear yu lalalalalala

Finally, a template :D

@Johannes_B: Your turn :D

@Johannes_B: Eating Black Forest Noodle soup

@ChristianHupfer What the heck is that?

@ChristianHupfer Usual example letter

@Johannes_B Well, it's a soup with a secret ingredient.... ... noodles, but don't spread this secret information ;-) It's confidential!

@ChristianHupfer Oh, alright. Happy meal ;-)

@Johannes_B Thanks...

@Johannes_B But it's the one and only template!!!!!! :-(

@JosephWright now he's generating bm bug reports;-)

Gone "smart".

@DavidCarlisle ?

@yo' A curiosity: how do you procrastinate, now that your PhD is over?

@JosephWright you get mac mail, I get tex code:-)

@DavidCarlisle Ah

@egreg I've spent 2 weeks selecting a good phone and a good tariff. Does it count? :)

btw, just connected through a hotspot from my cell phone :)

@yo' Definitely. :)

@egreg but so far I'm satisfied, so ... :)

also it's the cheapest of the available (reasonable) options :)

@yo' And the outcome ...?

@JosephWright Lenovo P70 Dual SIM. I kept my very cheap LTE with 20GB limit and my very cheap standard tariff.

as I said, just now I use the LTE connection through a wifi hotspot of the phone that I set up :)

@egreg ok so you get a vote

@DavidCarlisle As usual, when…

Hello

how check who vote my question?

@MarkoLustro it is anonymous. Nobody knows who upvotes.

or downvotes