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12:13 AM
e.g.
T1--LeMondeLivre--Normal--base LeMondeLivre-Normal "AutoEnc_bihqypwj2ipd334jk66mmdrlkc ReEncodeFont" <[a_bihqyp.enc <LeMondeLivre-Normal.pfb
 
 
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2:55 AM
If anyone here has interesting things to say on the topic, I've posted this question to the Graphic Design site. @JosephWright might be interested in this. (I hit something of a mental block writing that email…)
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Q: How is color used in document design?

Sean Allred What kinds of problems are faced when designing documents that the use of color is often a solution to? What kinds of problems are faced when actually using color in documents? Some of you might know already, but TeX is a software solution to design and write documents (articles, books, cata...

the abstract is interesting though:
> Supra-textual design encompasses the global visual language of a document and operates in three modes: textual, spatial, and graphic. The rhetoric of supra-textual design includes structural functions that provide global organization and cohesion and stylistic functions that affect credibility, tone, emphasis, interest, and usability.
> Supra-textual rhetoric extends to other documents through conventional codes and through sets and series. Because writers may not control the end product of supra-textual design, intention may also be a rhetorical factor.
 
3:12 AM
Do posts on Meta need to be questions with possible answers?
Because I'm an inch away from reminding the site to be nice.
Lots of hostility in meta as of late.
 
3:47 AM
@SeanAllred It seems to me that open questions without clear answers are accepted. At least my question about "how do i draw this..." seems to have no clear answer, but did get a lot talk back and forth.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:03 AM
Where can I learn latex in video?
 
 
2 hours later…
6:57 AM
@SeanAllred Not really
 
7:25 AM
@SeanAllred I was pimping the clock... Only the hour hand now is made of 58 lines of code. :D
I talked about it with you, right?
 
8:20 AM
@kwyip I haven't seen them (apart from a minute or two of the first) but on the latex-project website we link to youtube.com/user/ShareLaTeX
 
@DavidCarlisle I have watched them: they are pretty well produced, not too much to complain about (contrast some other videos out there)
 
8:53 AM
@DavidCarlisle: Someone's asking how the resolution key in \includegraphics with pdflatex works (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/21627/…), and I can't find where that key is processed. I assume \includegraphics just passes the key on to pdftex somehow, which then does its thing with it?
 
@Jake That key is added by the driver code (written by Heiko)
 
Heiko:-) see pdftex.def which says %% * Option "resolution" (graphicx/experimental): this sets
%% \pdfimageresolution, see pdfTeX documentation.
(
 
\define@key{Gin}{resolution}{%
  \pdfimageresolution#1\relax
}%
 
@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: Excellent, thank you
 
 
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10:04 AM
@Jake: Yay, you are back! <3
 
10:24 AM
@PauloCereda He was away?
 
@Alenanno The owl flew away. :(
 
10:55 AM
Hi morning
 
11:18 AM
Hi @fahdijbeli
 
11:31 AM
Morning
 
11:42 AM
yello!
 
@JosephWright I think i am missing something once more. It's friday. :-( Can you please have a look?
\documentclass[border=5pt]{standalone}
\renewcommand{\familydefault}{\sfdefault}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\sisetup{detect-all}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{l}
$\mathrm{10\sp5}$\num{e5} this is a test\\
{\rmfamily$\mathrm{10\sp5}$\num{e5} this is a test}
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
On the other hand:
\documentclass[border=5pt]{standalone}
%\renewcommand{\familydefault}{\sfdefault}<-----------
\usepackage{siunitx}
\sisetup{detect-all}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{l}
$\mathrm{10\sp5}$\num{e5} this is a test\\
{\rmfamily$\mathrm{10\sp5}$\num{e5} this is a test}\\
{\sffamily$\mathsf{10\sp5}$\num{e5} this is a test}\\
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
 
12:07 PM
@Johannes_B To be expected
@Johannes_B siunitx has to pick up what fonts are in use document wide at the start of the document. It does that by doing some trial typesetting behind-the-scenes. In your first example, the roman font from the POV of siunitx is \sfdefault.
 
@JosephWright So, feature?
 
@Johannes_B Yes: the assumption that your document is sensible
 
@JosephWright Ah, ok.
 
@Johannes_B There's no built-in assumption that 'roman' has to be a serifed roman font
 
12:28 PM
@SeanAllred -- interesting question. you didn't mention that color shows up "gratuitously" sometimes with included graphics. that may not directly affect the design of a document, but it does have to be taken into consideration, especially when the document is sent to a printing press. (mentioning this here, since i don't follow the graphic design site.)
 
@barbarabeeton I did think about that last night, but I feel as if 'including an image' is a different process from 'including color'. That's just a personal inkling, though – surely images include color as a matter of course, but I think it's a different problem from a TeXnical perspective.
It is something that I think needs to be dealt with in expl3, though, but perhaps not part of l3color.
I have been finding some interesting books about color in documents. I'll be referencing them in my LaTeX-L email for anyone who wants to pick them up at a library (which I've yet to do myself).
 
@SeanAllred -- fair enough. the particular example i had in mind was the use of duotones, where spot color on a page is often matched to the color element of the duotone graphic. (or perhaps vice versa. that decision is up to the designer.)
 
@barbarabeeton Nice one! I didn't think about that at all. It would certainly be nice if TeX could tell us the color at a given position in a graphic, but I'm not sure this is possible (for the same reasons TeX can't tell us what a single character looks like).
I'm certainly a layman in that domain, though.
 
@egreg -- thanks for making the $x^2$ look like it should in tex.stackexchange.com/a/246295/579; still don't know how to get a superscript 2 without mathjax.
 
@barbarabeeton I typed *x*<sup>2</sup>
 
12:37 PM
@egreg -- urk. thanks. (obviously my x/mathml needs a brushup.)
 
@barbarabeeton sup and sub are the only relevant ones I've found.
 
@barbarabeeton My colleague has removed the item from his page, I checked just now.
 
@egreg -- thanks for the update. i do know (or am pretty sure i know) who the colleague is, but i'm a bit mystified by the item in question. could you please enlighten me off-line?
 
@Sean: I have some spare time now, should I tackle the pretty highlighter thingy? :)
 
@PauloCereda Please do :) I can give you the regular expressions if you'll hold for just a minute
 
12:42 PM
@SeanAllred Hold the phone, let me set Pidgin here, so we can ease things. :)
 
@barbarabeeton The (illegal) copy of the book you told me about some weeks ago. (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41?m=21314476#21314476)
 
Hi all
 
@PauloCereda You use Pidgin for this?
(font-lock-add-keywords
 nil
 `(
   ;; macros that don't match the below patterns aren't kosher;
   ;; signal warning
   (,(rx (group "\\" (+ (any alpha "_"))))
    (1 font-lock-warning-face t))

   ;; macros that use @ are bad!
   (,(rx (group "\\" (* (any alpha))
                "@" (+ (any alpha "@"))))
    (1 font-lock-warning-face t))

   ;; standard macros are okay though
   (,(rx (group "\\" (+ (any alpha))))
    (1 font-lock-string-face t))

   ;; literal spaces
   ("~"
    (0 font-lock-comment-face t))
 
@SeanAllred I meant, we are now connected through G+, any XMPP client will give us a direct connection. :)
 
@PauloCereda ^^^ this is what I use for expl3-mode. It will need some adjusting, but the logic is all there
@PauloCereda :D (and with bitlbee, I can use emacs' irc client :)
 
12:44 PM
@SeanAllred ooh
 
@PauloCereda I'm about to leave for work now though, so I'll be back on in around a half-hour to an hour.
 
@barbarabeeton I'm disappointed in a unicode geek like you: x² x² x² x² x² x² x² x²
2
 
@SeanAllred Just poke me. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle x₂ x₂ x₂ x₂ x₂ x₂ x₂ x₂
 
@Alenanno although less useful for stated aim of " making the $x^2$ look like it should "
 
12:56 PM
@egreg -- ah! that rings the bell! thanks much!
@DavidCarlisle -- yes, but i've resisted that since nearly everything else that can or should be superscripted (even double superscripted) will never be accepted into unicode. (requires markup.) they've brainwashed me!
 
@DavidCarlisle I was just being symmetrical to your message, that's all. :P
 
ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
 
1:20 PM
@barbarabeeton agreed not much more than things that are ⁱⁿ ⁰⁻⁹⁻ٰ
@PauloCereda you're just making patterns, I typeset whole documents in Cree tex.stackexchange.com/questions/244131/…
 
@DavidCarlisle -- until they agree to add n, i, and \infty, i will almost certainly choose to forget that unicode "supports" superscripts or subscripts.
 
@DavidCarlisle Wow!
 
1:58 PM
Does anybody know, why we have a scrbook tag?
 
@Johannes_B at a guess, for questions about scrbook?
 
@DavidCarlisle Sure, but why?
We hve the more generic koma-script tag and the pretty special tag for scrlttr2. Concerning the latter, scrletter should also be concerned, somehow.
 
@Johannes_B :-) it could be merged with koma-script, but probably for many people the name of the class is a more obvious hook to tag the question than the somewhat unrelated name of the larger collection.
 
@DavidCarlisle Not that I think they should be merged in any way, but I think that's what tag synonyms are for
 
2:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle Remember the clock from the other day? I pimped it a bit.
 
3:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle I've got answers from #latex on freenode, and instead of using \lstinline, we decided to trick the url package with \DeclareUrlCommand\filename{\urlstyle{tt}} as you can see. https://bpaste.net/show/904b5e68edc9
Seems my problem is fixed now. I even have a better semantic with \filename insteead of \lstinline
 
3:35 PM
I've gotten spoiled by TeX's and LaTeX's documentation. I just spent a good hour looking for configuration information in a company Word doc... only to discover that the information I needed to continue was two pages ahead of me. Nothing to indicate that I'd get instruction later -- I thought I had missed something in the 600 pages prior.
 
Mar 26 '12 at 19:37, by David Carlisle
@Canageek moral of the story: never read the documentation, bad things happen
@wget ok sorry didn't get round to looking at that:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle *sobs*
 
@SeanAllred -- documentation is only as good as the person who writes it.
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@barbarabeeton which is such a compliment to our community :)
 
@barbarabeeton finally booked the plane ticket 5 minutes ago, so will be in Darmstadt:-)
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3:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle No problem. But my update on this topic was an opportunity for you to give me your opinion on that. I don't know if using the url package for that purpose is a great idea or not.
Playing with lstset and moredelim=[s]{_}{_} to trick the lstinline command is more a hack than a solution.
Just asking as you have far more experience than me ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- our plane tickets were booked long since. still need to reserve hotel, so we don't have to look for a comfortable park bench.
 
@wget yes url is a good package, in general of course for longer things or highlighting you need something like listings, but for anything remotely like a file or class name I'd use url
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool
@DavidCarlisle Which flights?
 
@JosephWright going out sat, coming back 12 noon thursday which I think you said is the one you are on.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, sounds like same flight back
 
3:53 PM
Ok good. Nice. Expect some questions like that in the future in this chat. I've my thesis to print before May 29th, and I need to reread the whole thing and fix all rendering issues I have.
Again thank you for your availability!
 
@JosephWright ooh
 
@PauloCereda I fly out late on the Sunday so David will already be there :-)
 
Looking forward to next year's TUG on this side of the world :)
 
@JosephWright well I'll be somewhere, at least.
 
4:09 PM
@SeanAllred Higher chance for me to attend. :)
 
@PauloCereda I just wish flights back and forth weren't so expensive.
I heard RyanAir is going across the ocean now (or will be soon), but I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
 
@SeanAllred Same here, and I wish I wouldn't need a visa. :(
 
@PauloCereda Are they prohibitively expensive in Brazil?
 
@PauloCereda didn't you pick up an Italian passport?
 
@SeanAllred They are, sadly. :(
 
4:12 PM
@PauloCereda :'( maybe we can have the conference in Brazil one day :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my, I forgot about it! It's a possibility, although requesting an Italian passport to the embassy is as complicated as getting the US visa itself. :)
 
(Though I'm not sure that'll ever fly (no pun intended) given that the US/UK/Germany are the major centers for users.)
 
@SeanAllred But we have nice food, hot weather, beautiful landscapes, carnaval, samba, and... araras! :)
 
@PauloCereda sounds just like the UK
 
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda except for the beautiful landscapes bit perhaps
(kidding :-)
 
4:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle The funny thing is, if I host a TUG conference in July, it will be winter, which will surely be hotter than your summer. :P
 
@PauloCereda We are not as hot as Spain, but do have summer here you know:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@PauloCereda today it's been around 18 (although forecast to get cooler over the weekend, as is traditional since it's a public holiday on Monday)
 
@DavidCarlisle It's 26, and we are in autumn. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle woah -- you're just as cold/warm/what-even-is-this-weather as we are in wisconsin :)
I had always thought you were significantly farther south than that, though
...and looking at a map, it seems you're actually farther north... (assuming london as a reference point)
 
4:37 PM
@SeanAllred yes compared to Canada which is on a similar latitude the UK is a lot warmer, so the gulf stream moving even by a relatively small amount is of more than academic interest, "global warming" could easily result in us freezing up for the winter..
 
@DavidCarlisle vvv
 
@PauloCereda TUG’16 will be held in Canada (Toronto), not the US; not sure what that changes for your visa requirements, though.
 
@ArthurReutenauer Ah thanks! I still believe I'd have higher chances with a visa, and I could also get cheaper flights (they usually stop over in US territory). :)
@ArthurReutenauer: By the way, it's an honour and privilege for us to have you here. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh wow ... Not sure the compliment is deserved, but thanks.
 
@ArthurReutenauer Well I for one don't know who you are yet :) Welcome!
 
4:51 PM
@SeanAllred Thanks :-)
 
@ArthurReutenauer :) Your reputation seems to precede you, at any rate. If you don't mind my asking, why?
Just curious :)
 
I had no idea they are that famous.
Blood sausage is a generic name for a type of sausage made by cooking blood or dried blood with a filler until it is thick enough to congeal when cooled. The dish exists with different names in various cultures from Asia, Europe, Africa, and the Americas. Pig, cattle, sheep, duck, and goat blood can be used depending on different countries. In Europe and the Americas, typical fillers include meat, fat, suet, bread, cornmeal, onion, chestnuts, barley, and oatmeal. In Spain, Portugal, and Asia, potato is often replaced by rice. In Kenya fillers are fresh minced goat or beef, fat, and red onions....
 
I take back what I said: That's terrifying.
 
@SeanAllred Unicode engine stuff and polyglossia, to start with.
 
@SeanAllred I was going to point to tug.org/interviews/reutenauer.html but yeah ;-)
 
4:55 PM
@Johannes_B Ahhh I haven't messed much with polyglossia, but I thank @ArthurReutenauer for his contributions :)
 
@SeanAllred Not that much actually lol
 
yo'
@Johannes_B every country has them
 
@Johannes_B: Oh mein Gott, mußte das jetzt sein... Würg
 
I’m also nominally maintainer of XeTeX now.
 
@ArthurReutenauer So! Is XeTeX ever going to hit 1.0? :)
 
4:56 PM
@SeanAllred Naughty naughty boy. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda lol
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@SeanAllred I wouldn’t dare changing the version number for many years because it would look immodest ;-)
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yo'
@ArthurReutenauer lol squared :D
 
@yo' I refused to give it a chance for my whole life, but last week i thougt: Gotta test this. Was quite good. THough i have to say, the swedish variant really looks creepy.
 
4:58 PM
@yo' lol²
 
@SeanAllred :-)
 
@SeanAllred But since Jonathan Kew is back in the game and he’s the one who started this madness originally we migt do something as some point.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B most variants look creepy, like if someone poured black print ink over it.
 
@SeanAllred It is getting a little ridiculous, to be honest.
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer the ridiculous thing is the unresolved issues with compatibiblity with eTeX somehow, I'd say :-/
 
4:59 PM
@ArthurReutenauer To a point I agree, but we also have TeX advancing toward \pi, so I'm not sure how much stock I put in version numbers, anyway
 
@SeanAllred Sadly, we know when the final rounding will happen. :( /sob
 
@PauloCereda It will be a life well-lived.
 
yo'
@PauloCereda don't be too negative
 
@Johannes_B I think the point of blood pudding is that in all societies where pork consumption is approved of, it is the ultimate proof that you can really eat everything off a pig.
 
@ChristianHupfer Maybe it is growing old and like to taste new stuff. I don't like tomatos, zucchini and feta, but i made a meal consisting all of it for my "wife".
I tasted it, and i saw that it was good.
 
5:01 PM
@SeanAllred @yo' <3
For no reason, a quack to cheer you guys up! Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! :)
 
@ArthurReutenauer :-) what about brain? Or tongue?
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer indeed. I mean: why would you leave anything behind? In the Czech cuisine, the only thing left are the bones :)
 
@Johannes_B I used to quite like it as a child, until I was told what it was made of (it doesn’t have “blood” in its name in French).
 
@PauloCereda Quack.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B people claim brain tastes well. Tongue is one of the finest meets ever.
 
5:02 PM
@Johannes_B Well it still seems less disgusting - and illness-prone.
 
@Johannes_B Polyglot penguin FTW. :)
 
@yo' Agreed on the last part.
 
@PauloCereda @yo' seriously though -- even apart from TeX, he's given so much to his field. his works on formal methods are brilliant
 
yo'
@SeanAllred I meet his work daily, and I'm not even a CS guy :)
@Johannes_B and considering intestines, they're best in a goulash.
 
@Johannes_B @yo' And in French butchers are supposed to traditionally set aside calf lungs for cats, I don’t know why.
 
5:04 PM
@yo' ;)
 
@SeanAllred Yes, DEK's contributions are invaluable.
 
@Johannes_B oh come on, it's lunch time here.... :(
 
ewwwww
 
yo'
btw, have I told you that I hate strikes and railroad constructions? :-/
 
5:04 PM
Counterattack:
 
yo'
@Johannes_B I don't dare clicking that one
 
@PauloCereda YAAAAAAAAAAAS
 
@yo' Not sure what you mean with XeTeX’s incompatibilities with e-TeX.
 
@SeanAllred I watched that duing my lunch time today. Pasta still was yummy.
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer \Uchar doesn't behave like \char, AFAIK. But it's David's and Joseph's area
 
5:05 PM
@yo' Pretty harmless, actually.
 
@Johannes_B you are a stronger man than I
 
yo'
@PauloCereda your family? Ah I forgot, your current family is this:
 
@SeanAllred I just like something else than pasta every once in a while. ;-)
 
@yo' Oh yes, well, it’s bug. Software has bugs.
 
5:07 PM
@yo' oooh
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer indeed. I don't claim it does not
@PauloCereda :)
 
@yo' And it’s not an incompatibility with e-TeX that doesn’t have Unicode-related \char functions.
@yo' Actually I was going to ask David Carlisle about just that when he comes back.
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer in a sense, it is.
 
Speaking of penguins, I remember this ad:
 
@PauloCereda You really need to learn german. This song is great:
 
5:09 PM
@Johannes_B Nice song. :)
 
@Johannes_B: Your "wife" ? (confused)
 
@PauloCereda <3
@ChristianHupfer A very very good friend of mine.
 
@yo' We’ll have to agree to disagree.
 
@A.Ellett You sure?
 
@Johannes_B: Don't say more ....
 
yo'
5:14 PM
@ArthurReutenauer ok
anyways, I gotta go, it's close to 8pm, which is the meeting time for our dinner :)
 
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@yo' Have a nice time, Tom!
 
@yo' 맛있게 드세요
 
And naturally, @PauloCereda is at the head of it all.
 
@ChristianHupfer Why?
 
@SeanAllred LOL I didn't notice it!
 
yo'
5:17 PM
@SeanAllred :)
 
@Johannes_B Nevermind, it was not a really important message by me
 
@A.Ellett LOL I was deleting mine and posting below yours!
 
@PauloCereda Do you think that China looks like a duck?
 
@ArthurReutenauer I... have no idea! :) Maybe... no? :)
 
@SeanAllred Cool :-) And the head is not necessarily the part closest to the front, so the expression “at the head of” is ambiguous, I had never realised that.
 
5:25 PM
@ArthurReutenauer :)
be back later
 
@PauloCereda I was going to post a picture but didn’t know to. The upload button doesn’t work for me for some reason.
 
@ArthurReutenauer ooh please post it. :) The upload button disappears if you type something in the message box; it should work if the message box is empty. :)
Yay @DavidCarlisle is here!
 
@ArthurReutenauer about what?
 
Hi David. Well, that bug precisely: sourceforge.net/p/xetex/bugs/109 (\Umathchardef control sequences as number).
Evidently it’s still an issue, as I checked yesterday; was there any progress since early May? I didn’t really follow that part of the discussion with Jonathan.
 
Isn't the ornament package installed by default on Tex Live? It's not in mine.
 
5:45 PM
@Alenanno Neither on mine.
 
@egreg I thought it was on CTAN already. Apparently it's not.
 
@Alenanno CTAN \neq TeX Live. :)
 
@PauloCereda Isn't it its Database?
 
@Alenanno TeX Live just contains a proper subset of CTAN. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh.
"Proper"?
 
5:49 PM
@Alenanno CTAN accepts some entries that, due to licensing conflicts, cannot go to TeX Live.
 
@PauloCereda I see
 
@Alenanno -- tex live also requires source for any pdf file that is created by tex.
 
@barbarabeeton Any pdf file?
 
@Alenanno Any PDF file that is created by TeX, as Barbara says.
 
@Alenanno -- i presume that if a pdf file is really a graphic, required by an \includegraphics statement in a tex file, that "source" wouldn't be needed (and in fact may not exist).
@Alenanno -- the rationale for this requirement is that such pdf files are usually documentation, and in such cases, the absence of tex source is detrimental to a user's ability to understand what's going on.
 
5:54 PM
@barbarabeeton I see. I didn't know about these rules.
 
@Alenanno Agree with Barbara. Generally speaking, TeX Live’s policies means that anything has to be included with its sources, and that includes documentation.
@Alenanno If a PDF file was created with OpenOffice, I suppose that would mean including the .odt as well.
@barbarabeeton I think it also has to do with the ability to recreate the documentation locally.
 
@Alenanno -- and that is why the "short math guide" isn't in tex live (or on ctan either, for that matter). somehow the source managed to get corrupted, and in order to make it compliant (and indeed, really useful), we have to recreate the source.
 
@barbarabeeton For the same reason, using non-free fonts in a TeX document to be included in TeX Live is frowned upon, but I have never seen it used as a reason to remove that document from TeX Live.
@Alenanno The gory details are here: tug.org/texlive/LICENSE.TL
 
@barbarabeeton "we"? You're part of it? That sounds like a tedious job. :P
@ArthurReutenauer Thanks.
 
@ArthurReutenauer -- recreating documentation locally is certainly part of the rationale. presumably, outlawing non-free fonts would prevent things like the "comprehensive symbols list" from being included, so the rules might understandably be relaxed.
 
6:00 PM
Every document in CTAN should be typeset with that lovely cow font. :) (I saw it in an article written by Taco, perhaps?)
 
@Alenanno -- "tedious" is only part of the headache. everything involving that file was in michael downes' head. and he's not around to help.
 
@barbarabeeton Is he going to be back soon?
 
@PauloCereda -- wouldn't help much with the ipa character set.
 
@barbarabeeton We could use some Mooooooorse code. :) (bad pun, sorry)
@Alenanno Sadly no. :( Michael passed away in 2003.
 
@PauloCereda What. :|
That's the worst outcome ever.
That's even worse than being a tedious job. It's almost impossible.
Unless you guys have a backup plan?
 
6:08 PM
Reese Witherspoon will be Tinker Bell in a new live action movie. Oh my!
 
@PauloCereda Yes, the cow font is by Taco and Hans. Taco presented it at the EuroTeX conference in Debrecen in 2006, it’s probably in the proceedings. No duck font yet ;-)
 
@Alenanno -- sadly, michael passed away in 2003, the victim of a brain tumor. the latex companion is dedicated to his memory. i can't believe there's no memoriam for him in tugboat, but it seems we were all too shocked to react sensibly.
 
@ArthurReutenauer I will fix that someday. :)
 
@barbarabeeton I wasn’t aware the comprehensive symbols list was using non-free fonts, but it’s good to know that there is a precedent.
 
@barbarabeeton Yeah that sucks. I didn't know he was gone, well, I didn't even know him before now, but I thought he was busy elsewhere.
 
6:11 PM
@barbarabeeton There have been issues with the fontspec doc, which I think have been resolved, as well as the Polyglossia doc, which I know have been resolved by François early on. Although - fair warning - it takes a couple of hours to install all the fonts used in the Polyglossia documents on any new machine.
 
@Alenanno -- we cope. previous versions of the "short guide" exist, and there's enough other material by michael that we can "intuit" what was likely intended. besides, we can call on people like frank mittelbach when the going gets rough. that's what good tex friends are for. (part of the delay is unrelated, though, simply that our resources are too limited, and management has too many other things that have "higher priority".)
 
@barbarabeeton Well, as long as you have something to follow, even if it takes longer to do...
 
@ArthurReutenauer -- i'm not sure that there actually are non-free fonts in the comprehensive list, but it's the kind of document that, if it were excluded, would be a gross disservice to the community. many fonts, although not free to a user, may be used in distributed pdf files, probably with a subsetting restriction.
 
6:31 PM
@ArthurReutenauer no it got parked, but I was really happy to see progress on the utf16 stuff which was more important really, the Umath.... as a number one is odd really xetex fails that way and luatex fails the other: tug.org/pipermail/luatex/2015-April/005179.html
 
@barbarabeeton Wholeheartedly agreed. Thankfully Karl is sensible about those things.
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, I’ll have a look. Are you happy with the resolution of the bugs I closed yesterday on the tracker? (I think it’s all the UTF-16 issues we discussed, but I didn’t check in detail.)
 
@ArthurReutenauer the ones I got pinged on all looked good to me.
 
@DavidCarlisle Good
 
redd.it/36vbv5 "TIL a sailor who wishes to grow a beard in the Royal Navy has to submit a ‘permission to stop shaving’ form. He is then allowed two weeks to ‘grow a full set’ before he presents himself to the Master at Arms who will decide if his beard looks stupid or is respectably full enough to be permitted."
 
6:49 PM
@SeanAllred Like an English boss.
 
@SeanAllred we could have same rule on tex.sx
 
Fedora 22 Final on May 26, yay! :)
 
7:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Is it Lufthansa flight LH 906 you’re going back from Darmstadt with?
 
7:22 PM
@ArthurReutenauer LH 954 to BHX in my case at least
 
@DavidCarlisle I cannot afford flights to Germany (I expect comments on why do I need a plane if I am a duck)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah sure, should have thought you would fly further North. Well, I’ll settle for a flight to Heathrow, it’s a nice change from Gatwick from once :-)
@PauloCereda But why do you need a plane if you’re a duck? :-o
 
@ArthurReutenauer Oh no! :)
 
@ArthurReutenauer I'm exactly half way between heathrow and birmingham, but birmingham's just a simpler airport:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Admittedly :-)
@PauloCereda Glad to be of service.
 
7:28 PM
@ArthurReutenauer Thank you. :)
I wish I had money to go to this year's UK-TUG meeting.
 
@PauloCereda Do you change avatar every 2 days? :P
 
@Alenanno Oh no, I've been spotted! Quaaaack!
 
@Alenanno LOL
 
@PauloCereda Revenge! >:D
 
7:40 PM
@Alenanno evil quack
 
@PauloCereda I was thinking of posting my clock version to the clock's question. ¬_¬
 
@Alenanno Do it. :)
 
@Alenanno and link :) i'm not familiar with the Q; sounds interesting
 
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Q: Generate analog clock with numbered face, add seconds, Roman numerals

JosephLooking at the excellent answers here, I can't help wondering how I can accomplish two apparently simple modifications: I wanted to be able to generate a traditional Roman-number clock; It would be very helpful to add seconds to the labels, so that it would be easy to help children learn how to...

It's one month old but... it's not against the rules... :D
 
@Alenanno Huh, apparently I've already upvoted that question XD
 
7:48 PM
@SeanAllred Ahah :D
 
Oh, I remember it now!! Lots of cool stuff in here :)
 
@SeanAllred Do you remember the clock I was playing with the other day? Well, it changed a bit since then XD
 
@Alenanno Yeah I've heard you "pimped" it XD
 
@SeanAllred The old .gif was 811 KB. This .gif is 5 MB
LOL
 
@Alenanno What? Does it spin in 3D now on three axes?
Four?
 
7:51 PM
@SeanAllred LOL No but it's a bit larger and it has more complex stuff. You can see it here
:D
 
@Alenanno oh good grief
 
ahah
 
personal taste: lighten the shadow (I tend to like black!5 (or maybe it's white!5?))
 
Now it's black!80. Originally it was black + opacity .5, but the shadows showed lines (how they were made basically) so it was ugly.
 
nice phrase, by the way
by my translation: with marvelous skill he tempers the mortal's hours
 
7:56 PM
@SeanAllred Thank you. If with "tempers" you mean "measures", yes. That's the meaning.
 
interesting remark on the job of watchmaking
 
@SeanAllred :D ahah
 
tempers/measures/regulates
restrains/etc.
 
@SeanAllred Ah ok. Didn't know the word. :D
 
@Alenanno -- is there any significance to the fact that the second hand is paused on a half-second?
 
7:57 PM
@Alenanno took latin for six years :) a few things stuck
 
@barbarabeeton LoL didn't notice that. I just entered the angle 44 quickly because I was testing other things and then it stayed like that I think.
@SeanAllred Nice!
The code is about 150 lines. lol
 
too bad you haven't shown any of the "internals". (i happen to be a devotee of "open-face" watches. mechanical or electr(on)ic, doesn't matter; i have both.)
 
@barbarabeeton Oh! But how could I show them? Do you have examples (images)?
That'd be awesome!
@barbarabeeton Like these?
 
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