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12:00 AM
in my example i use word 'maestro' some times TeX convert it into ma1estro some to ma3estro and some mæstro
 
@bardzo if you have glyph variants eg a standard Q and a fancy Q with extended tail they would normally both be Q ie Unicode U+0051
 
(meybe, I dont know it is possible)
How defining variant of glyphs?
What I can to do this?
 
@bardzo it's a feature of opentype fonts which xetex and luatex can use, personally I haven't much idea how to create a font (fontforge is one free tool)
 
@egreg You undestud what I write?
and xelatex use it automaticaly?
I must search that font
 
@David: Have you already bought M's presents? :)
 
12:03 AM
@bardzo Sorry, no.
 
@bardzo but for tex the situation of glyph variants for the same character has nothing on common with the situation of choosing different characters. So you first need to be very specific about how the font is constructed before thinking about how to access that from tex
@PauloCereda no, should I?
 
@DavidCarlisle Of course! :) Just don't give him a pair of socks, please. :)
 
och, and we start again
my english is not good (is horrible i know)
 
When I was a little boy, my Christmas presents were basically agendas and socks. :) Ironically, I need them more than never by now. :P
 
12:05 AM
if anybody undestud what i write ;D please correct my question
 
@PauloCereda I have faith that some flying reindeer and a bloke with a sledge will sortt that out and i don't need to do anything
@bardzo we can't correct it if we don't know what it means, sorry.
 
In america socks is for gift, in poland socks is a gift
 
@DavidCarlisle As long as you have a chimney, you'll be fine. Unless Dick van Dyke is escorting him during the journey. :)
 
@PauloCereda we do (with a real fireplace at the bottom)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh! :) That's something you almost never see in Brazil. :)
 
12:09 AM
my eyes is heavy
bye
 
12:22 AM
@bardzo good night:-)
 
@PauloCereda A fireplace in São Paulo would be like a fridge in Greenland.
 
 
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8:09 AM
Does anybody remember when TeXniccenter RC1 came out?
 
@JosephWright Saw that, but that can't be right?
 
@Johannes_B Why not?
 
@JosephWright Wasn't TC released much earlier?
 
@Johannes_B Yes, so?
@Johannes_B SourceForge has the first beta in 2003
 
8:13 AM
@JosephWright Oy, 2003. But you are right, the RC in 2008.
@JosephWright Don't tell anyone, but 2008 could have been the first time i ever heard of LaTeX. And the guy is was talking to said: »Na, don't mind it, you won't need it.«
 
@Johannes_B I heard about it at least by 2000, but while there was 'talk' I failed to follow it up, regrettably
 
8:52 AM
@egreg But it would be classy. :P
 
9:02 AM
It looks exactly like my mum's handwriting. :)Paulo Cereda 12 secs ago
True story. :)
@egreg: congrats, you are now the second top voter of the entire SE universe! :)
 
@PauloCereda Wow!
 
@PauloCereda Who is the first?
 
@FaheemMitha Yours truly. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh.
Congratulations. I thought it might be Gilles.
 
9:21 AM
@FaheemMitha I think the top value of SE is around 30k. egreg and I are 40k+ each.
Now @egreg will soon be president of yet another club. :P
 
@PauloCereda Well, 400K is not expected before next August. But I'm confident I'll arrive there before DPC reaches 300K. :P
 
@egreg LOL
 
Wow, ususally not much helper traffic on LaTeX-community, and today 2 mods and the admin.
 
9:44 AM
@JosephWright I was just playing around with the data explorer and somehow landed on this question.
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Q: Documenting on code revisions

MarijnnI have made modifications to a few files of a C++ program. I would like to document on these changes in a nice LaTeX report, by showing exactly what I modified and explaining why I did so. Since there are quite a lot of lines of code that have changed, it is not really an option to go through al...

That sounds quite familiar to me -> latex-community.org/forum/…
 
@Johannes_B Odd
 
10:01 AM
ooh M&M's!
Yaaaaaay!
 
@PauloCereda Just got a new system
time for 4.0 now?
 
@LaRiFaRi the version is ready, but I'm stuck with the manual. :( I can't release the tool without a proper manual, sadly. :(
 
well, don't care for that. I'll search the installer
 
@LaRiFaRi No installer so far. :P
 
just wanted to know, if your code is ready
 
10:09 AM
@LaRiFaRi Do you use Windows? I can provide some package for you to extract.
 
@PauloCereda On work (sadly) yes
Win 7 since today.
super modern
But don't stress you self
I take 3 and wait until release
@PauloCereda don't want to give you more work than necessary
 
@LaRiFaRi You can hear about it here: vimeo.com/113328301
 
I'll do that soon. Thank you.
 
10:37 AM
@PauloCereda I don't understand what is meant by "top value of SE ".
@egreg Who or what is DPC?
 
@FaheemMitha The person with most votes in SE.
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@FaheemMitha David P. Carlisle.
 
@PauloCereda Oh, right. The sum of votes on questions and answers?
@PauloCereda Ok
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, there's a tab for that.
 
@PauloCereda Tab?
I notice egreg has not asked any questions. I wonder why not.
 
@FaheemMitha he can't figure out how to do it, and I'm waiting for him to tell me what to do.
 
11:31 AM
@DavidCarlisle Not sure I got the latter part of that.
 
@DavidCarlisle I blame the browser. :)
 
@FaheemMitha see how many questions I've asked;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I see.
 
Paulo: I’m sure everybody wants to ask you this: when will you post your first question at TeX.sx? :P
egreg: When I’ll have a problem that I’m not able to solve. :)
 
12:09 PM
@egreg Apparently that hasn't happened yet.
 
@FaheemMitha :)
 
 
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1:33 PM
Too quiet today.
We need more noise.
:)
 
@PauloCereda AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Better?
 
@FaheemMitha A bit.
 
So, did the Paulo interview happen? AKA DuckSpeak.
Hmm, doesn't look like it.
 
@FaheemMitha It did happen but the unreliable blog editor is sitting on it and hasn't released it as a blog entry yet.
 
@DavidCarlisle Who is this blog editor?
 
1:51 PM
@FaheemMitha wears a red hat, has a yellow face and a mouth that looks like a beak.....
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, him.
 
2:06 PM
Hi, I remember somebody mentioning that the \mathup range is default for capital greek letters (in unicode-math). How do I get the greek lower case letters as well?
Never mind. Found it.
 
2:37 PM
"...no one ever got fired for using Helvetica..."Adam Davis 22 hours ago
 
2:51 PM
@PauloCereda see comments above:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle lalalala can't see anything
:)
 
3:30 PM
@PauloCereda is Psmith around? @egreg was wanting to run battle
!!/help
 
@DavidCarlisle Let's see at the end of the month who's ahead.
 
@DavidCarlisle hold on. :)
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
@DavidCarlisle: go for it. :)
 
3:59 PM
I'll bite the bullet:
!!/battle
 
@PauloCereda Hi, Paulo! Could you please remind me the syntax for asking Psmith a question?
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 245 vs. 730 David. So far, David is winning.
 
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Q: How get a space values between every chars?

bardzoIs possible to write to file all information of chapter with spaces, lines and chars? I have text, and 5cm wide line. I need ascii text file with Śród (space x1) takich (space x2) pól (x3) przed (x4) laty(x5),(x6) nad (x7) brzegiem (x8) ruczaju,(x9) Na(x10) pagórku () niewielkim,() we () ...

Anybody knows whats going on there?
 
@GonzaloMedina Sure! It's !!/answer <question> :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Show off!
! ! /answer Will David overtake me before this year ends?
 
4:01 PM
@Johannes_B Nope. :) I think something could be done with LuaTeX and some custom hook. :)
@GonzaloMedina Oh! Yes/no questions go under !!/eightball <question>
 
!!/eightball Will David overtake me before this year ends?
 
@GonzaloMedina Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it ain't happening.
 
You are wise, Psmith :)
 
@GonzaloMedina :)
 
@PauloCereda I just used @egreg's regexpatch to patch something multiple time. Apparently, the output showed, doesn't work. Later i noticed, i forgot to place the star. I used a typeout in the failure argument to be more comfortable and not have to switch to the pdf again and again. After staring at the screen for much too long, i switched to the pdf, and wow, it works. Turnout my \typeout{IDIOT} was in the success argument, failure was empty.
I feel soo stoooopid.
 
4:05 PM
!!/eightball O Great Oracle, will David reach 300K before the end of August?
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: as I see it, yes.
 
Psmith is wrong, sometimes.
@Johannes_B Also \tracingxpatches is useful.
 
@egreg I used that and wondered, why there is no helpful error message. Either i need a vacation, or this cold i got me off my knees.
 
@Johannes_B Oopsie. :)
 
Good maen
 
4:13 PM
@ChristianHupfer Hi
 
@Johannes_B: Hello, sorry not much time for TeX.SX! Not answered a question for days :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Hello!
 
@PauloCereda: Hello Darth Duckius
 
4:32 PM
Something logged me off.
 
@GonzaloMedina blame @PauloCereda for distributing bounty
!!/help
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
 
!!/eightball will @PauloCereda ever publish that interview?
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: been there, done that.
@DavidCarlisle No. :)
 
!!/eightball should I ask the site mods to give me blog publishing powers?
 
4:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: not a snowball's chance in hell.
 
@DavidCarlisle I will publish this weekend, don't worry. :)
 
!!/eightball can we trust Paulo to publish?
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: ask again later.
 
5:04 PM
!!/eightball can we trust Paulo to publish?
Psmith went to sleep.
 
@tohecz: So far, great experience with F21. And dnf seems like a great replacement for yum, way faster and more robust. :)
@michal: ^^ :) (forgot you are a proud Fedora user as well)
 
5:48 PM
@PauloCereda so everything worked well after upgrade? I am little bit worried about my customizations.
 
@michal.h21 So far so good, apparently. :) But I didn't delve that much. I was thinking of documenting my adventures, if you feel like taking a peek. :)
 
also I was stupid that I installed 32 bit version (I have fairly old laptop and didn't knew whether it support 64 bit) and it seems that it's not easily possible to upgrade from 32 to 64 bit (only reinstall, which isn't something I'd like do)
@PauloCereda sure :)
 
@michal.h21 Personally, I think a fresh install would be great. :)
 
I am thinking about buyng new laptop (not really new, some used Dell Latitude or ThinkPad), my current laptop is really dying (missing keys on keyboard, screen works only when opened at certain angle - about 170, so it is not really comfortable :)
 
@JosephWright There are some question which did not land on my list for the answer the unanswered. You seem to answer them one by one :-)
 
6:03 PM
@Johannes_B Working through the old ones, looking for ones I can close or tackle
@Johannes_B Another one coming up shortly
 
@JosephWright I was confused by the latest question, i didn't understand the real use in this. So i didn't answer.
 
@Johannes_B Which one?
 
@Johannes_B Well it is odd but I think it can have an answer
 
@JosephWright And you already got an upvote ;-)
 
6:09 PM
5
Q: Beamer ToC: vertical spacing compressed when making ToC in columns environment

MatthijsI am trying to adapt the Beamer table of content to my needs. I use the columns environment to change the lay-out of frames with a lot of white space. This works fine in most cases, but when I use it with the ToC, the vertical spacing is wrong, and the list is compressed. See the example below. A...

@Johannes_B There are I think quite a number of older questions that can get answered
 
@Johannes_B I'm hoping to do all of 2013 by Christmas to be sure that the remainder really are at least OK questions that I can't get anywhere with
 
@JosephWright But who has the time? Also: most of them require some psychic powers. huh? what does he want?
 
@Johannes_B That sort should be closed
@Johannes_B If I can make some headway I will: the bigger issue is not the ones I think I can tackle but the ones I can't
 
@JosephWright You want to answer answerable questions by christmas?
 
6:11 PM
@Johannes_B Something like that
@Johannes_B For the ones from before this year
 
@JosephWright All <2014? Still a lot
 
@Johannes_B Not so many: the system automatically removes older ones with poor views/votes as they are unlikely every to be answered
@Johannes_B For example, pre-2013 there are less than 50 on the list
 
@JosephWright Oh ok, didn't know that.
@JosephWright How do you filter by year?
 
@Johannes_B I think there are probably around 200-300 before this year
 
@JosephWright: for this X-mas we could have some adopt a question campaign, much like those adopt a letter things they do on post offices. :)
 
6:13 PM
@Johannes_B Unanswered -> Newest and go to last page :-)
@Johannes_B I always tackle the unanswered in date order
 
@JosephWright I was expecting some super foo :-D
 
@PauloCereda I really do think most of the unanswered questions can either be tackled or closed
The issue is older ones which probably should have had a 'please add ...' comment but never did
There are actually very few really good questions that don't have answers (perhaps no more than a couple of dozen a year)
 
@JosephWright Don't worry. The OPs of 2013 don't wait for answers, and the open questions don't hurt anyone. But they are a chance for new users who don't succeed in the rep race at new Qs: they can filter old questions and answer peacefully.
 
@PauloCereda nice :) do you use tmux?
 
@michal.h21 Used to, but I get too confused. :)
 
6:17 PM
@JosephWright Those are the ones i meant earlier. There seems to be some information missing for a clear and to the point answer. If the user is still active, super; if not ...
 
@PauloCereda you should try it again, it is really great!
it is one of few things I really use everyday: tmux, vim, vimperator, TeX and mpv
 
@michal.h21 Installing it now. :)
 
@PauloCereda I understood it little bit after reading this book: uploads.mitechie.com/books/tmux_p1_1.pdf (
 
@michal.h21 Thank you!
 
@PauloCereda you're welcome :)
btw, I have a feeling that my simple tex4ht tutorial is going to be little bit hardcore, as I started playing with babel's otherlanguage environment:
(the hardcore part isn't written yet, but I have config file and it uses etoolbox's command patching, iflang package and some really nice TeX hacking) I really suck in writing for beginners :(
 
6:35 PM
@michal.h21 Me too, I'm stuck with a new release due to the lack of manual. :)
 
I am stuck with release of at least 5 packages because of manual :)
 
I am going home. @StefanKottwitz @JosephWright @ChristianHupfer @GonzaloMedina latex-community.org/forum/…
See you guys.
 
7:08 PM
@Johannes_B: Bye, till next time... get well soon!
 
7:45 PM
@StefanKottwitz I'm mainly hunting questions which have been missed and can be closed, but the ones I am tackling are not normally 'straight-forward'
 
7:59 PM
@PauloCereda wait, there's a new package manager?
 
@tohecz There is. :) But you can stick with yum if you like.
 
@PauloCereda ah that's strange
can you use them in parallel?
 
@tohecz Actually, it seems to be in Fedora since version 18. :)
@tohecz Yes you can. :)
It's the very same usage.
 
@PauloCereda ok, thanks :)
 
8:16 PM
@tohecz: in any case: github.com/cereda/f21-setup
 
8:36 PM
@PauloCereda cool!
 
@ChristianHupfer "a little bit weird" and me "interesting" seems we were both struggling to find polite adjectives:-)
 
@Paulo did you do a clear install or an upgrade from F20?
 
Any Texmaker users here?
 
@DavidCarlisle: And as usual the British version is much more polite as the straight German "weird" (well, in a translated manner, of course) ;-)
 
9:14 PM
@tohecz I did a clean install.
 
@PauloCereda ah ok. I'll probably upgrade
 
@JosephWright What should I do when an answer is patently copied without attribution and used for answer the same question?
 
@egreg I'm pretty sure I know which one you mean, but the best thing is to flag as that gets seen by all mods and is logged by the back-end
@StefanKottwitz might well want to have a look for a start
 
well, I gotta go, see you another day :)
 
@JosephWright Done and removed comment. I'm pissed off.
 
9:19 PM
@egreg OK
@egreg Noted
@egreg Please give the mod team time to consult with one another
 
@JosephWright The moderators refused to remove a comment by the same user that I flagged as non constructive. I stand by my opinion.
 
@egreg Remind me of the relevant question
 
@JosephWright Question 215590
 
@egreg Thanks
 
9:54 PM
@Masi Concerning your bounty on tex.stackexchange.com/q/18904/17423, check out the canonical editors question: tex.stackexchange.com/q/339/17423
The question you've placed a bounty on doesn't really ask the same question as your bounty message, in my opinion.
 
@DavidCarlisle Why should one insist after being shown wrong?
@JosephWright Ahem. :(
 
10:11 PM
Guys, what do you recommend me to check if a macro is empty? :)
 
@PauloCereda Drink it. If it produces no sensation, then it's probably empty.
 
@egreg LOL :)
The macro is half empty. :P
 
@egreg Yes, I'd seen that
 
\if\relax\detokenize\expandafter{\foo}\relax<empty>\else<nonempty>\fi
 
@egreg I think it's clear that there is a difference of opinion at the technical level: one approach is 'write only sufficient code to answer the task at hand' and the other is 'write general code which can be reused in various places'. There is not that much common ground between the two.
 
10:13 PM
@egreg Grazie. :)
 
@egreg Bruno did some testing on this: he tells me \expandafter\ifx\expandafer\relax\detokenize\expandafter{\foo}\relax is faster
 
@JosephWright I can understand that, although I prefer good code to bad one, if possible. But the comment is just offensive.
@JosephWright Possibly.
 
@egreg Tight but relevant in the low-levels of expl3
 
@JosephWright Of course.
 
@egreg Noted: I'm going to think about it and probably do something in the morning (late for me: not a good time to take action)
 
10:17 PM
@JosephWright Thanks
How to ruin an evening. :(
@PauloCereda \tl_if_empty:NTF or \tl_if_blank:VTF (for “contains only white space”)
@PauloCereda The classical test, of course, is \ifx\foo\@empty, but if somebody redefines \@empty
I once found a package where \value was redefined. A user reported issues. ;-)
 
@egreg That's what we do for \tl_if_empty:NTF, but with \c_empty_tl of course
 
@JosephWright Hoping for the best. ;-)
 
@egreg Indeed
 
10:34 PM
@egreg Thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda Do you have conditionals in your macro expansion language?
 
@egreg I do! :) Quite ugly, but they exist. :)
 
@PauloCereda Don't call \if the expanding one and \ifx the non expanding one.
 
@egreg and make them remove both branches while expanding:-)
 
@egreg If I present the syntax, you will cry blood. :)
 
10:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle That too would be a good idea!
@DavidCarlisle But in this way you couldn't supply \fi from the replacement text of a macro.
 
@egreg: it's so beautiful to have a conference 100% TeX-powered. :)
 
@egreg good:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle \def\afterfi#1\fi{\fi#1}
 
@egreg \ifthenelse{a=b}{true}{false} doesn't seem a bad syntax, if you need to construct in bits from separate macros so be it
@egreg I wouldn't have \fi probably
 
@DavidCarlisle You must balance braces!
@DavidCarlisle No more \ifnum`{=0\else}\fi; what a pity!
 
10:58 PM
@egreg the number of times when the extra confusion is worth it seem limited
@egreg we could have a primitive \thinglikebgroupthatdoeswhatyouthoughtbgroupdidbutitdoesntatthestartofalignment‌​s then you wouldn't need such trickery
 
@DavidCarlisle Nice name. File it as a feature request to DEK.
 
@egreg German influenced, naturally
 

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