@DavidCarlisle MikTeX loads packages on-the-fly. My best guess at the moment (which is probably not very accurate one) is that libgreek mess with some of the libertine files.
@DavidCarlisle I haven't been fiddling with any of the font files manually, so I can't see what else it could be...
not me:-) ! Font EU1/fxl/m/n/10=[fxlr.otf]:Ligatures=TeX:+ccmp;+locl;+mark;+mkmk;+kern;+l iga;+clig;+trep;+tlig at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or installed fo nt not found.
@Mohan you could but that's just swimming upstream and means you will have problems at every update forever. best to make the mew vesrion work, sending bug reports if need be,
@DavidCarlisle I'm more than happy to do that --- but I have no clue where to start. I'm just in the middle of another uninstall/reinstall to try a different example.
@Mohan presumably, but I know nothing about fontspec naming conventions so can't really help I get no warnings with this version of the package
(/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/latex/libertine/libertine.sty Package: libertine 2012/12/06 (Bob Tennent) Supports Libertine and Biolinum fon ts for all LaTeX engines.
@DavidCarlisle Just running the package manager again. Earlier today, I only saw 'libertine'; right now, I see 'libertine-legacy' instead. When I actually try and grab that, it gives a 404. So it seems like they have updated the package , but the change hasn't fully propagated. I think?
I think http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86329/miktex-2-9-libertine-suddenly-broken is useless to man or beast. (Short v.: I did something stupid.) May I delete it? [NB. I'm about to head off to sleep, so won't see replies until the morning.]
@Mohan Not sure what the problem is in leaving it. If you made a mistake someone else may well make the same mistake in the future so this might help them. Why not just post an answer.
@AlanMunn Correct. I agree it makes no sense to make a plain vanilla package which used to be available on CTAN commercial (though I don't even know what the particular case is). If there would ever be a successful system for paying for packages, it would be some larger, appstore-like approach.
@StephanLehmke And I think that's what the person we were talking about has in mind. There's a large Arabic script market out there that is likely hungry for high quality typesetting. I'm not sure he'll be successful, but I bet someone could.
@Vivi I'm not sure that was a great question as it was written (a lot of work to get to the actual problem) and since the answer was clearly in the docs and it wasn't about a regular class or package people elected to close it. We take a lot longer to close questions than many of the other SE sites. (Just an observation, not a justification.)
@AlanMunn My problem is exactly with the "it was clearly in the docs". Everyone makes stupid mistakes and overlooks things that are very clear to others, but not clear for them. This how this site can get to be elitist: labelling things as "very clear", "too easy", etc. I am not saying this is a pathological problem in this site. Very often I see people being extremely nice and courteous, as for example lockstep here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86096/…
By the way, should the question linked have been closed?
I agree with you on the general point, and I've often given answers that simply quote from the documentation (package docs aren't always the easiest things to read after all) but in this case I think it was the combination of custom class + in the docs. (I wasn't part of the close vote, but that seems to be what Guido commented.)
And I also want to complain about the fact that A LOT of people are not explaining why they are voting to close, and the OP only finds out there is a problem when the question is actually closed.
There is a meta question about this. It is important to leave a comment when you are the first one to vote to close a question.
I think questions are being closed a bit too quickly. There was a question I posted an answer to that was closed, and I voted to reopen and it was reopened: tex.stackexchange.com/q/75116/14
I agree this site is quite good compared to others, but I think there is room for improvement.
@Vivi One thing I can see in common with all of these close votes is they were done by medium rep users. So maybe we're seeing a bit of the piling on mentality in these close votes. I agree it's not a good trend to encourage.
@Vivi And a good thing too, it seems, since there are two good answers there that go beyond the "just use listings (which was I assume the proposed duplicate.)
Anyway, I think my view on closing questions differs a bit from most people. I remember seeing a post on meta about "different disease, same treatment" or something like that. I think that rather than closing the question, links could be provided to similar questions to encourage different solutions. "Exact duplicate" should be used for EXACT duplicates, not similar questions. But I understand it is my view...
@Vivi Well that questions are reopened is a sign the system works after all in my opinion. Closing a question is not always a signal that it's a hopeless case but can be a strong motivation for the OP to improve it. Most of the cases when I found a question was closed unjustly I got it reopened.
@AlanMunn Yeah, it seems like those commenting on the meta questions understand the need to make a comment when voting to close and they are not so keen on closing questions too quickly. It is unfortunate that not everyone reads the meta questions. I will keep the links handy so I can link them when I see people voting to close questions without comments or unfairly (IMO)
@Vivi and @AlanMunn Since you're talking about hastily closed questions, I think this should not have been closed. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86227/verbatim-inside-tikz-node/… The answer to the linked question does not work when \Verb!p! was replaced by \begin{Verbatim} p\end{Verbatim}
@StephanLehmke The problem, as discussed in the meta question Alan linked, is that new users might not take it so well and they should be given a chance to explain why the related question doesn't solve their problem. I am not against closing a question, but I don't think it is a good idea to rush to close a question to then have to reopen it later. Not the worst case scenario, but not the best either.
@AlanMunn Seconded. One problem I see is that sometimes you know a question is a duplicate but are unable to find the original, so settle for second best.
@Vivi Another aspect is that there is no easier way to get rep than to answer a duplicate question, while the SX system doesn't reward identifying a duplicate at all. Most often it's much easier to write "use \tabularnewline" or whatever than to search for the duplicate to link to. OTOH there are reasons not to want answers to the same problem spread out over a large number of almost-identical questions.
Sometimes, if the duplicate is not exact, it might be the best solution to edit the original question to be more general and match both cases.
@hpesoj626 Sometime back i have got a link which gives all TeX.SX good high voted highly popular questions. do you have the link for a bunch of questions in TeX.SX in the meta SX
@texenthusiast No. I do not keep tabs of all of them. I did keep some as favorites. When I can't find something I want, I just Google it and see those pertaining to tex.SX
@texenthusiast Apparently there used to be a way of searching in favorites, but it was dropped due to performance issues, see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/78946/… and related questions.
@texenthusiast Yes, but this user is giving more downvotes than upvotes, so I don't think he means them seriously.
@Vivi They (we) quite often do, but there aren't many downvotes on this site. E.g. for me, its 14 of 2100, and that is considered quite a lot (needed to note that some of them are on CW big-lists where I simply didn't like some answers and took the liberty of the CW system).
General note on voting: the information available to the moderators is actually pretty limited, and mainly focussed on 'sock-puppet' upvoting. We get just some general trend data
I would like to define a new environment that will modify an existing environment, but slightly non-trivially. I'd like the environment to take two parameters... any pointers?
Environments are written without backslash, in \renewenvironment
Define also \endorigquote
\let\origquote\quote
\let\endorigquote\endquote
\renewenvironment{quote}{%
\vspace{-0.5\parskip}
\origquote
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{\endorigquote}
@tohecz Well, then I just managed to find someone else with more downvotes than upvotes... Anyway, let's pretend I found the correct person otherwise I won't do my work!
A biologist, a physicist and a mathematician go for a hiking trip. On the opposite hill they see a black goat. Biologist says: In these mountains, there live black goats.Physicist says: No no! In these mountains, there lives at least one black goat.Mathematician says: No no no! In these mountains, there lives at least one goat whose at least one side is black.
Here's a tree with randomly chosen and sized snowflakes on the edges of nodes. If you can find more snowflake characters, they can be added to the list. Each time you compile the document the pattern will change. I've used LuaTeX to compile, since XeTeX doesn't provide good access to any quickly...
This would be an excelent X-mas card for linguists. :)
It could be worse... Since I only feel pain when I cycle, I am hoping getting my bike professionally fitted will solve the problem. I just need to book the appointment, but I have been procrastinating for months. In any case, at least it is hot and sunny here! Tomorrow I will procrastinate at the beach :P
@Vivi Strange, especially since cycling normally is the cure to most knee problems :-) Are you using fixations (sorry dunno the correct name) on your pedals? If those are skewed is the only reason I get knee problems cycling.
@Vivi Well, I hurt my knee and shoulders around 6 months trying to learn the skate board. Haven't been running since. It hurts just to see some people running. But it's just my procrastination that hasn't get me started again. Get well soon...
@StephanLehmke What? Cycling is hard on the knees... Especially for mashers like me. I use cleat shoes. I think they were the problem, and that's why I think getting a professional bike fitting will solve my problem.
@hpesoj626 I did jiu-jitsu for 2 years when I was 15-17. Got to blue belt. After that I tried a few times to get into it again but it doesn't stick. I end up quitting.
@StephanLehmke yes, that is exactly what it means. I have very strong legs and I get my pleasure from pushing really hard with high gears. Not sure I agree with you that I should change. I think it is about what you body is suited for. I read a bit about it after I hurt my knee and I found evidence to support this (but it may be because I get extreme pleasure from the mashing!)
@StephanLehmke :( I will work on the other theory (adjusting the angle of the shoes, bike fitting) first. I think I would rather not cycle than cycle without mashing, but I might reconsider if my theory is incorrect.
@Vivi re pleasure: It's all a question of the right mixture maybe. If you get used to cycling at a higher frequency for everyday use, there shouldn't be harm in "mashing" up a tough hill. But you need to ask yourself whether the pleasure is worth damaging your knees for the rest of your life.
@Vivi I used to do karate, taekwondo and judo. Broke my back once, but not seriously. Now that I have kids it is no longer fun breaking bones for the fun of it :) I'll leave that to Jackie Chan.
@StephanLehmke I think there is some truth in that. If you are interested in seeing other arguments, google "mashers vs spinners" (a lot of people agree with you, though)
@hpesoj626 I was never good with the standing up part of jiu-jitsu (ie, learning judo would have helped me). Karate and taekwondo are not for me! I am not flexible and not good with throwing punches (even though I broke a girl's nose with a punch once!) and kicks.
@Vivi We have a very prominent person here on Germany (Helmut Schmidt) who's almost 100 by now chain smoking every day. Of course he thinks the current discussion about smoking bans is pointless. There will always be exceptions, but statistics is mostly on the side of truth.
@Vivi It's fun to see kids go at it. It's a healthy way of directing the lilun's energy. Discipline and stuff like that are good to learn while young. I am enrolling my first daughter next year when she gets four.
OK, it is late and I need to try and get 30 mins of work done today if I want to go to the beach tomorrow! :) Good night everyone, it was great talking to you. I should come here more often!
@DavidCarlisle Actually, well, I think I am looking for something along the following lines: there is an ever changing LaTeX file which contains Exercises and I am writing some solutions. What I want is, some sort of automation: my solution file counts according to the old one...
@PauloCereda we were talking about F#, some of your other programming languages are also mentioned in this history : james-iry.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/…
1936 - Alonzo Church also invents every language that will ever be but does it better. His lambda calculus is ignored because it is insufficiently C-like. This criticism occurs in spite of the fact that C has not yet been invented.
@DavidCarlisle TBH, without some concept of O(1) accessible data structure I wouldn't really count it as a programming language. However funny, all the other languages mentioned are indeed real languages...
@DavidCarlisle 1978 - Donald Knuth decides to piss off language purists by introducing a insanely complex programming language based on macro expansion written for the sole purpose of letting him typeset his equally insanely complex mathematical formulae. TeX is praised as a fantastic typesetting system and easy to use as a chainsaw to cut a pineapple.
@DavidCarlisle With O(1) access to arbitrarily wide finite arrays, this is equivalently efficient with any existing computer system. If I can get that in TeX I'm satisfied.
Of course O(1) is abstracting from the log log n or whatever you get for low-level memory access.
what's a log log n between friends. There's a disjoint sets algorithm whose running time is always cited as O(n \alpha(n)), where \alpha is the inverse Ackermann function.
@StephanLehmke well if you ignore hash lookup (and finite hash table size) then \@namedef{myarray(1,2)}{5} ... \@nameuse(myarray(1,2)} accesses values in time independent of teh array index
@StephanLehmke It's particularly bad if you use csnames as I suggested (constant prefix with index by changing the suffix) as I think you will get almost guaranteed collision and linear time lookup but at least you can think you are using an efficient hashed index, and that's the important thing:-)
@StephanLehmke aha! I didn't know (or I'd forgotten) that. Good that I can still recognise people by second hand reported prejudices:-)
@DavidCarlisle Is this really so? I mean that the prefix is the significant part? That would be a strong argument against the current practise of writing the package name in front of a macro name to disambiguate!
@StephanLehmke It probably doesn't make any practical difference until you try to use an "array" implementation with hundreds or thousands of macros sharing a prefix. But really I'd have to check what the actual hash algorithm is. I know luatex changed it.
@DavidCarlisle - My question is really about the spacing, not the syntax: I prefer the atop layout, I find the amsmath substack to give subscripts that look too big to my eyes, but substack seems to be considered better. I wonder if folk can give reasons for their preferences.
@CharlesStewart wel.l... atop gives scriptscript size which is smaller than it would be if it were a simple subscript, whereas substack gives scriptsize so each line of the stack uses the same font as a simple subscript. So it depends which your eye most wants to normalise: the fonts used in subscripts (in which case you should use substack) or the overall size of the subscript in which case using atop shrinks the fonts so the two line construct almost matches the size of a normal subscript.
@CharlesStewart But please please also consider that constructs like \atop make life hard to TeX-to-xxx processors...
And IIRC if we could thoroughly do away with \atop and consorts, we could also eliminate \mathchoice which is one of the biggest time hogs in math typesetting. @DavidCarlisle or what else is \mathchoice neccessary for?
@StephanLehmke \mathchoiceis useful; but without \over and friends, it could be implemented in a more straightforward way as an \ifcase based on a "style level" (0=display, 1=text, 2=script, 3=scriptscript).
@JosephWright well yes but that doesn't really help much as a modified frac could (even though the latex one doesn't) similarly set some flags so you know which style you are in, just at the macro layer. (which is what the ams versions do of course which is why amsmath tries hard to bury \over and \top
@DavidCarlisle I'd need an example to check: I remember a discussion with Taco where he more-or-less said it seemed like a good idea, but looking back did not add much
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@DavidCarlisle As I said, the feeling when it came up before was that it was a bit pointless (given the fact that most primitives don't have a convenient macro alternative)
@JosephWright yes. I cannot get to the ad stats now, but I was there once and the new ones were getting unbelievably much more clicks than the old ones.
Could I ask... if I want to request a specific improvement to answers to a question (where the merit of answers is relatively subjective), should I edit the question or start a new one?
@Mohan Depends on the change required. If the question was in hindsight too broad, you can probably edit. If however you need something different to what you actually asked, then I'd go with a new question.
@Mohan In case of confusion just ask a fresh one. That would also limit the scope of the edit required. Otherwise some answers grow into almost full packages by a limiting process of asking a change here and another there.
Since our community is super nice they try hard to help and the edits accumulate to something that doesn't even answer the question.
@tohecz How about |ab| = |a| |b| and hence |-b| = |b| with a=-1 ? Because the ones you have provided a strong emphasis on the special case as if something is really special.
Environments are written without backslash, in \renewenvironment
Define also \endorigquote
\let\origquote\quote
\let\endorigquote\endquote
\renewenvironment{quote}{%
\vspace{-0.5\parskip}
\origquote
}%
{\endorigquote}
I don't understand the formula you are trying to typeset, but maybe this is what you want?
\sum_{i \in S \atop i \in T} i
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