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12:04 AM
@PauloCereda If you're looking for the beamer theme file, the log file lists the files it uses…
 
@Seamus Ah good to know, thanks. :) I need to learn to always check the log file. :)
 
12:34 AM
@Werner Really good answer on that appendix question!
 
@lockstep Thanks!
@lockstep I had to break things up into chunks, which I'm not particularly fond of. I wasn't able to check yours though...
 
@Werner I've deleted it, but it should still be visible for 10k+ users. It contains a crude workaround to add the bookmarks.
 
@lockstep I know; I saw it, but didn't test it.
Why are you still awake?
 
@Werner Because of that question. ;-)
 
Is it nice to have a frametitle like this one?
 
12:38 AM
@lockstep He he... sorry to have "stolen" it from you then.
 
@Werner Don't mind. And by deleting my answer, I'll make sure you get an "Enlightened" badge for your one.
 
@lockstep Unless someone else provides something more useful.
@PauloCereda Did you consult a colour wheel?
 
@Werner I'm afraid I didn't, these are the congress colors. :)
 
@PauloCereda Read the last paragraph of Colors of the color wheel: "...for the colours diametrically opposed to each other… are those that reciprocally evoke each other in the eye."
I enjoy your colours though... what colour is the rest of the frame? Also, what would you call it?
 
@Werner Thanks. :) Blue and orange for the footer, and the bullets for itemize/enumerate are green. :)
The poor seagull didn't die in vain. :P
 
12:47 AM
@PauloCereda So what would you can this dead seagull? :)
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@Werner I was thinking of a bird name, like hummingbird. :)
Bed time. :) Good night friends! :)
 
Good night to everyone from me, too!
 
1:11 AM
@AlanMunn That's great to hear! My accent - South African - is still resoundingly evident, since "zee" doesn't roll over my tongue that well.
@PauloCereda See these bird images for inspiration.
 
@Werner The whole "zed" thing is a bit more complicated than the spelling part, since Americans really aren't very used to hearing it, so it's not terribly fair to students to use it all the time, so I moderate that a bit.
It helps that I'm in an area in which our students understand (or should understand) that language use and social identity are strongly connected.
 
@AlanMunn So you're originally from Canada?
 
I was born in the UK and moved to Canada when I was 6, so I'm more Canadian than British in most respects (although I have both passports).
 
@AlanMunn At the moment, I'm more South African than Canadian, although I'm a citizen of both. Freedom of travel on a Canadian passport is a huge bonus, since South African citizenship requires visas to virtually every country, including the UK (although that was a recent addition due to a Zimbabwean influence, if I remember correctly).
 
@Werner Yes, a Canadian passport is a good thing to have. Of course with an British passport the whole of the EU is available to me too, which is convenient. As for becoming more Canadian, I suspect that there will be certain South African things that will never disappear; even for me there are certain British things that make me distinct from Canadians (love of Marmite and dislike of peanut butter to name two).
 
1:27 AM
@AlanMunn Marmite! Hilarious! One thing I miss from home is the abundance of rusks...
 
@Werner Rusks?
 
@AlanMunn google.ca/…
I think in Europe, or perhaps only certain parts of Europe, it is referred to as biscotti.
 
@Werner I don't think biscotti is the same thing, (at least as I know them): they're always sweet, which at least from the Wikipedia entry doesn't seem to apply to rusks.
 
@AlanMunn Most of the time they are sweet, but they can also be somewhat savoury. My affinity for coffee goes hand-in-hand with dunking something in it. :)
 
@Werner Well I don't know about rusks, but surely you can get biscotti in Victoria? (You certainly can in Toronto).
 
1:44 AM
@AlanMunn Sure you can, but it is not as abundantly available. Moreover, I don't have the selection. I have to go to specialty stores and... I make it sound like a huge pain. I might just make my own, come to think of it.
 
@Werner If making them is like making biscotti, it's a bit of an enterprise. We've made them once, and they came out well, but we decided it wasn't worth the effort.
 
@AlanMunn I agree. I will most likely go through that enterprise and conclude the same.
 
@Werner Here's a great book that does a lot of the testing for you. tipsybaker.com/p/make-bread-buy-butter.html
 
@AlanMunn Thanks! I see the cover lists "cheese" under buy. I would think so, since making yoghurt yourself is slightly cheaper than buying it in the store. But there are plenty of steps inbetween which pushes up the cost from buying milk. Either way, it may answer some questions I've wondered about with regards to baking: Make or Buy?
 
2:17 AM
@Werner For bread, it's a lot of work and so probably depends on whether you have a good local source of bread. For cake like things, it's probably cheaper to bake unless you have really fancy taste.
 
 
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7:58 AM
@Werner To a Brit, this conversation makes interesting reading! "Rusks" are a baby food. They begin life as a biscuity sort of thing but are easily smushed to make them easy for a small child to digest, and can be made into a sort of porridgey paste.
 
 
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9:33 AM
@Werner In Italian "biscotto" means "rebaked": "bis" is Latin for "twice" and "cotto" is "cooked" or "baked".
 
Hence also "biscuit" in English from the French for "twice cooked".
 
@AndrewStacey A dictionary says that "biscoctus" is medieval Latin, so the word can easily be passed to both French and Italian. Of course the English word is borrowed from French.
Nowadays, "biscotto" means more "dry cookie" than "rebaked bread". I wouldn't call rusks "biscotti".
 
Second attempt on the TeX.sx hierarchy document. :)

Novice/User/Wizard/Guru

... wonders if the "Community" is a real person.
... has a question tagged by lockstep.
... knows Joseph Wright's middle name.
... can answer a question only by the title.
... thinks Martin Scharrer doesn't sleep.
... has a question answered by Herbert.
... knows what a braid is.
... knows what editor egreg uses.
... can spot a real photo of Alan.
... tried to dissect a seagull.
... knows about Werner's garden.
... can visualize Jake's TikZ drawings without screenshots.
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@PauloCereda It's "Mittelbach"; congratulations for the long umlaut on Erdős!
 
@egreg Ah, those Latinates. They get all the best words.
@PauloCereda You've set that up so that you (and only you) get "Guru", haven't you?
 
9:50 AM
@AndrewStacey But we lack four letter words.
 
@egreg Oh my, terribly sorry. I knew something was wrong. About the umlaut: I originally copied from your text, so the merit is yours. :)
@AndrewStacey It's my evil plan. :) But I still can't understand Bruno's code. :D
 
@PauloCereda Nobody can, without studying it carefully.
 
@egreg :)
 
@PauloCereda By the way, do you know what I called the computer I have in my office? It's Prospero.
 
@egreg Really? How nice! :) I like machine naming patterns. :)
 
10:04 AM
@PauloCereda When I arrived in Verona, I discovered that the two servers for the students' lab were called Romeo and Juliet. So for my machine I decided to go on with names from Shakespeare's works. And for a new server, which was an ugly black box, I chose "Calibano". :)
 
@egreg Ah great pattern! :) My dad's netbook is called Shakespeare. Sadly, few Brazilians know Shakespeare's works besides Romeo and Juliet. I thought of adopting the same strategy, but with Dostoyevsky's work. The characters are way complicated to type, say, Katerina Ivanovna Verkhovtseva. :P So my machine is simply "Dostoyevsky", but now I'm using cities names, my laptop is "Alexandria". :)
 
@PauloCereda Верховцева and Достоевский?
 
@egreg Oh my! I can't even map the characters! :)
 
10:50 AM
I think I'll name my beamer color scheme as arara. :)
 
11:07 AM
@PauloCereda What's wrong with "Fred"?
 
@AndrewStacey Who is "Fred"? :)
 
@PauloCereda No-one in particular. It's just a name (though it does mean "peace" in Norwegian). But since you're going to name your beamer coloUr scheme, I thought maybe you should use a name instead of a random collection of letters.
 
This is an arara :) Quite suitable name for a color scheme. :)
 
@AndrewStacey Ah, arara is a brazilian bird. :) "Rio" features a blue-arara, but they are very coloUrful! :)
Though I've never seen an arara with orange in it. :P
"triiiiiimmmm" LOL
 
@PauloCereda So now when my kids start throwing birds around the iPad, I can tell them that that one is an arara. Nice.
 
11:24 AM
@AndrewStacey Yes. :) Arara is a tropical bird, very common in Latin America. They are very very smart -- and funny too. :)
@egreg Cute photo! :)
 
11:40 AM
Is this off-topic?
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Q: Fast PNG embedding using pdflatex

porst17I have a LaTeX document, that includes a lot PNG images. It takes about 18 second to compile. Most of the time is spent for the inclusion of the PNG images. The pdfTeX 1.40 manual from ctan states on page 40, that PNG are recompressed during the pdfTeX run in general, but in some cases, a direct ...

 
@lockstep Perhaps not. There are a few people here who do know about the 'back end' stuff.
 
A identify run on those images might reveal some clues about the possible explanation.
 
12:05 PM
@JosephWright I have an answer for that question! :)
 
@PauloCereda Is it the bit depth? I think somebody resized and compressed all the images :P Just guessing
 
@percusse I think it's about the palette itself. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, probably the smaller one is running on 32-bit and the large one is on 24 bit palette.
But I don't have any picture software in the computer to check.
 
12:26 PM
The pdftex manual talks about interlaced images (both aren't) and of gamma-correction.
 
@lockstep No, I think it's clearly on-topic.
@PauloCereda: Very nice answer, btw
 
@MartinScharrer As I wasn't sure, I didn't cast a closing vote.
 
@lockstep I find it a very good question actually, because people can learn more about the internal handling inside pdftex. I for once, thought that PNGs (as well as JPGs) are always included as they are.
 
@MartinScharrer Thanks. Now someone needs to explain me what I just wrote there. :)
 
12:55 PM
@egreg: This answer of yours saved my life! :) enumitem and beamer where conflicting, and your code made complicated things easier to achieve! :)
 
1:15 PM
what does "page-spanning outlines" mean?
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Q: Custom tabular environments

recluzeI'm trying to create the following structure using the best possible "user-interface" in LaTeX: --------------------------------------------- | Week 1 | 1. Topic 1 | | | 2. Topic 2 | --------------------------------------------- | W...

 
1:44 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, they are incompatible. :(
 
@egreg But your code works like a charm. :)
 
 
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2:52 PM
Perhaps this old question could be closed as a duplicate?
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Q: Blank pages header

benekireI have a problem that I'm not able to solve with LaTeX: I'm in book mode. Then LaTeX leaves a blank page just after the table of contents to start the first chapter on an odd page. Before it I have configured LaTeX with fancyhdr to make my own header and my own footer (which contains the page nu...

 
3:22 PM
Could someone proofread my blog post draft with Werner's interview?
 
@PauloCereda I'll do.
 
@lockstep Thanks! :)
 
@PauloCereda The "everything" in "I'm doing everything from scratch." should be emphasized.
 
@lockstep fixed. :)
 
Also the "extremely" in "the ladder is extremely tall".
 
3:32 PM
@lockstep fixed. :)
 
Not a typo, but Marco used "tex stackexchange" at least one time. Perhaps this could be abbreviated to "tex.sx".
 
@lockstep done. :)
 
Perhaps you should only use "tex.sx" (in lowercase). I see a lot of variation. :-)
 
@lockstep Done. :) I opted for TeX.sx, since it's the same case of the category. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Marco writes "First question" one time, and then "First private question". I suggest to leave out the former and to change the latter to "Private question".
 
3:39 PM
@lockstep done. :)
 
@PauloCereda I still see "First question".
 
@lockstep oh my bad. Done. :)
 
@PauloCereda egreg uses "viceversa" one time. This may be correct in Italian, but the English form is "vice versa". Not sure if you should change this one.
 
@lockstep Of course change it.
 
@lockstep Uh-oh, and it's vice-versa in Portuguese. Better leave this one unchanged. :)
 
3:45 PM
@egreg, @PauloCereda Slug it out then. ;-)
 
@lockstep done. :)
 
@PauloCereda It's "Frank Mittelbach", not "Frank Mittlebach".
 
@lockstep done. :)
 
@PauloCereda When Werner states "since was also in that boat once", there's possibly an "I" missing --> "since I was also in that boat once".
 
@lockstep done. :)
 
3:51 PM
@PauloCereda Perhaps you should also emphasize the semicolons after "Start small" and "Ask questions".
 
@lockstep Done. :)
 
Speaking of emphasis , there's "Welcome to the TeXtalk!" right at the beginning.
 
@lockstep done. :)
 
@PauloCereda I used a ";-)" one time. Perhaps change it to "code sample" like you've done with the smilies.
 
@lockstep done. :)
 
3:56 PM
That's it from me. Really good interview!
 
@lockstep Indeed. :)
Interview published! Thanks @lockstep. :)
 
4:26 PM
Late to the party, but my convention for naming computers is to call them after characters in Futurama. This laptop is called elzar and my old laptop was called morbo.
 
@Seamus wow, really?! I love Futurama! :)
Morbo will destroy you! :P
 
5:12 PM
Please tell me that this is off-topic:
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Q: Java AVL tree challenge problem

MelvicHi i have the following avl tree and i'm having a problem when running it. A null pointer exception is being given to me. The problem is in the search method. Can someone implement it for me pls so the program will work. Here it the code: package testavltree; import java.io.IOException; import j...

 
@lockstep It should be migrated as soon as possible.
 
@JosephWright Is a "proposal for migration" a proper cause for flagging as "It doesn't belong here?"
 
@lockstep Oh yes, of course.
In the mod room, there is a feeling that posts should only be migrated if they already have good answers/are good in themselves. We're quite laid back, but I'm not sure if the SO mods will take the question here.
I'll ask
Quick answer: the feeling is 'Not a Real Question'
@lockstep It's so far OT for us that I'm making a mod decision to delete it
 
6:01 PM
I just got three upvotes on the same answer within 13 seconds. :-)
 
@lockstep So it was a good answer! What's really the use in German for "von" names?
 
@JosephWright That's a shame. I was hoping @BrunoLeFloch would post a Plain TeX solution. If the OP wasn't already confused, that would finish the job. :-)
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@egreg It's for the gentry. :-) (And in Austria, we don't even have that.)
 
@egreg Is it any different than "di" in Italian names?
 
@AlanMunn In general we consider it as part of the last name even if it's lowercase, that is, denoting nobility.
@lockstep I was asking about sorting and citing.
 
6:09 PM
@egreg Ah .. pardon me.
 
@lockstep I misunderstood the question too.
 
@lockstep I mean, you cite and sort "Goethe", not "von Goethe".
 
@egreg Indeed. But I'm not so sure what to do about "van".
 
@lockstep That's the misunderstanding Beethoven hoped in. :)
You'll certainly know the joke about Austrians being smart: they made everybody think that Beethoven was an Austrian composer and "another guy" a German.
 
@egreg Yep. The one from Braunau.
 
6:37 PM
Is this table / graph easy understand? It shows probabilities dependent on two parameters:
 
WRT that Java question: besides being off-topic, the OP wanted us to implement a search method ("Can someone implement it for me pls so the program will work"). I'd love to answer that by inserting a obfuscated recursive file removal from the root directory. If you have no files in your computer, the search is very fast. :P
@MartinScharrer I think it is. :)
 
I used the following \block macro to create the graphic part in every cell:
\newcommand{\block}[1]{%
    \adjustbox{trim={\tabcolsep} 0pt}{\textcolor{gray}{\rule{\blockwidth}{#1\blockheight}}}%
}
So actually I just have a gray \rule with the correct dimensions, but then trim \tabcolsep from left and right, so that they spill in the cell margins and touch each other.
 
@MartinScharrer Is the first row for all instances of e? If so, the dash seems somewhat inappropriate.
 
@lockstep Yes, I still have to add the explanation for the first column.
It is actually for an random e , i.e. when there is no e is given.
 
7:04 PM
I took the liberty to kill the tag (3 questions since July 2010, the third one today).
It seems that @TorbjørnT is becoming our expert. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Thanks again for the interview!
 
@lockstep A slight exaggeration I think ...
 
@Werner The honour is mine. :)
Yay, my first steps with LaTeX3! I used \DeclareDocumentCommand with my first optional argument! :)
 
7:34 PM
@egreg Thanks for the enlightened lesson in linguistics. I wouldn't call rusks baby food though - how would they chew rebaked (or dried) bread without teeth?
 
7:48 PM
Can I call someone into chat who's never been here? Let me try: @MikeStay can you hear me? If so, I'm still confused as to what you want to be able to do. You've edited your question after accepting my answer so I'm not clear if that was just for clarity or because actually my answer wasn't quite what you want.
 
@AndrewStacey They person must have a chat id, this means he/she must have been in some chat room at least once.
Then you can call him/her using @<chat id number>.
 
Hi, sorry I'm late!
Yes, your answer was correct as far as I can tell. It just complains about the int function.
 
@Werner You put them in their milk?
 
@AndrewStacey I have a mac, and my pgf installation is managed by port, so I just did port upgrade pgf. texdoc pgf pulls up the manual for 2.10.
 
@egreg That sounds like a soggy mess! Then again, that's probably what baby food looks like.
 
7:58 PM
@Werner Yeah, I wouldn't even try it. :)
 
@And
 
@MikeStay MacTeX is surely better than MacPorts. You just install it and update every now and then.
 
@egreg @MikeStay I was just about to say the same thing.
 
OK, I'm happy to switch.
 
MacPorts? I'm with Fink/Rudix. :)
 
8:02 PM
@PauloCereda That's the first step! Go forth!
 
@egreg @AlanMunn Does MacTeX get updated more often than the mac port?
 
@MikeStay Run \documentclass{article}\usepackage{tikz}\show\pgfversion\begin{document}\end{do‌​cument} and report back.
 
@MikeStay Yes. With respect to binaries it's updated once a year (same schedule as TeXLive) and with respect to packages, it's always up to date; you can update as often as you like.
 
@AndrewStacey I guess I've also got texlive on here :( It says 2.00
How does one tell texlive to update?
 
@MikeStay MacPorts TeX is based on TeX Live. If you say "pdftex --version", you'll see what version it is.
 
8:08 PM
@egreg pdfTeX 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/MacPorts 2011_3)
kpathsea version 6.0.1
 
Here's a nice example of a "canonical" answer by @MarcoDaniel:
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Q: How to change the indentation before sectioning titles in the table of contents?

Ilya GinzburgI'm preparing a document using the book class. In the table of contents, the indentation before the subsection title is too long. How to reduce it?

 
@MikeStay The problem with distributions such as MacPorts is that they lack "tlmgr" as they prefer to have "big bundles". The standard TeX Live (provided by MacTeX) uses tlmgr so that every package can be updated as soon as it is in the repository.
 
@egreg @AndrewStacey I'm happy to uninstall some version/distribution and use another.
 
@MikeStay You don't even need to uninstall the MacPorts version: you can try MacTeX and decide if it suits you better (it will). Uninstalling it is very easy.
 
@lockstep And the OP gave no feedback. That is really frustrating.
 
8:14 PM
@MarcoDaniel The general feedback is "Nice Answer".
 
@egreg OK; I guess I just point /opt/local/bin/latex at the MacTex version, wherever it gets installed?
 
@lockstep That's true. That shows the answer helps other users ;-) but not the op ;-(
 
@MikeStay MacTeX installs a soft link /usr/texbin that points to the binaries and puts that at the top of the PATH variable. That's why you don't need to do anything. It will also install a preference panel that will allow you to switch to other distributions you happen to have on your machine (MacPorts included).
 
@MarcoDaniel BTW, one feature of tocstyle is the automatic calculation of the necessary indentation. Perhaps you could mention this in your answer (though you have my upvote already).
 
@egreg cool, downloading now.
 
8:18 PM
@lockstep This is really a benefit of tocstyle.
 
Oh my, I forgot to ask what editor @Werner uses. :)
 
@MikeStay Imagine that a project doesn't compile with the new MacTeX: you can go back to MacPorts, if you have a deadline. Then you can update the project with all the time you need to the new setting (it happens, rarely).
 
@lockstep Done
@PauloCereda: I have seen I have a new watcher on GitHub ;-) -- I uploaded a "new" beta version ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Ah cool, I'll try it. :)
Oh my, our blog had 208 pageviews until now!
 
@MarcoDaniel Did you change "2" to "12" on purpose in the code example?
 
8:26 PM
@PauloCereda At the moment, I use TeXnicCentre 1 RC 1. The reason for this is that it allows me to set up a compilation profile that can execute stuff after the compilation (do some automation) which I enjoy. I'm sure other editors have this as well; I've just grown comfortable with TC.
 
@Werner Ah nice! TC is also my editor of choice when in Windows. I tried the 2.x series, but I didn't like it; some features simply didn't work. :(
 
@MarcoDaniel I'd rather leave it unchanged, but comment the code line out (so that one can test the example with/without it).
 
@Werner Anathema! :)
 
@egreg Because of the mighty Windows? ...or rather Windoze?
 
@Werner The combination. :)
But, you know, windoze computers refuse to work when I'm in front of them. :)
 
8:34 PM
@lockstep I changed it
 
@egreg Well, old habits die hard. I use cygwin whenever I feel an itch... :)
@egreg ...there's your problem!
 
@Werner On the other hand, when someone with a Mac has a little problem, it's solved as soon as I'm near it. I don't even have to touch it. :)
 
@egreg You've just earned the first gold i-Mac-ulate badge. Way to go! Not to be mistaken with its dirty cousin, the Immaculate badge.
 
Bye -- I have to go to bed
 
@egreg Speaking of "another" saint Gregory... :P
 
8:40 PM
One more vote to close needed:
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Q: Blank pages header

benekireI have a problem that I'm not able to solve with LaTeX: I'm in book mode. Then LaTeX leaves a blank page just after the table of contents to start the first chapter on an odd page. Before it I have configured LaTeX with fancyhdr to make my own header and my own footer (which contains the page nu...

 
@PauloCereda Computers have a kind of soul and they know when they're loved by somebody near them. Since nobody loves Windoze boxes ...
 
@lockstep Done
 
@lockstep Too late! :)
 
@JosephWright, @egreg Thanks to both of you.
 
@egreg It's true. :) When in my TCS keynotes, when someone says about CS being an exact science, I usually reply it's some kind of witchcraft + luck + prayers.
 
8:55 PM
@PauloCereda A car stops. A mathematician, a physicist, an engineer and a computer scientist are on board. They try in turn to repair it and when also the engineer fails, the CS guy says: "We've done all wrong. Everybody in, then everybody out and in again."
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@egreg LOL
 
Is this pretty much what you'd expect from a package manual? ifile.it/x47mif6/PNmanual.pdf
 
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Q: Make MS Word document look like it has been typeset in LaTeX

TheodorA few years back, I used to use LaTeX for writing reports and such, and I really liked the look of them. However, nowadays I am forced to use MS Word to write my reports, but that does not hinder me from playing around with the document layout. When I see a document typeset using LaTeX, I can ...

Printscreen an article typeset in LaTeX, paste in Word. qed
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@PauloCereda This is exactly what I was thinking of another question where someone was trying to submit a resume in Word but wanted the LaTeX formatting!
 
@rdhs Apart using \rm and \sf it seems OK; would you improve the listing? The letterspacing makes it unsightly.
 
9:03 PM
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Q: Converting TeX to MS-Word for recruiters asking for resumes in word files

user700648What do you do when you have spent considerable effort finessing your resume in TeX and a recruiter asks you for your resume in MS-Word? Do you: Spend the time to produce something that looks half as good as the TeXed result, Ignore the openings advertised by that recruiter, or Somehow convert...

 
@Werner Oh my, we are really evil. :)
 
@PauloCereda Don't worry, I won't flag your post! He he.
 
@PauloCereda How can I modify my Smart car to look like a Ferrari?
 
@Werner :P
@egreg Hm let me see. :) Paint it red? :P
 
@egreg \rmfamily and \sffamily instead?
 
9:11 PM
@rdhs Yes: \rm, \sf and company are deprecated.
While the LaTeX police won't come in case of moderate and personal use, it will if you use them in manuals for general delivery. :)
 
Noted and changed. As for the .sty file: I plead the fifth.
 
@MikeStay Sorry, computer got co-opted for TV watching. Reads as though you've made progress on getting PGF2.10. Let me know if you run into more problems with that code.
 
9:35 PM
@AndrewStacey @egreg After installing MacTeX, everything's working great. Thanks for all your help!
 
@MikeStay You'll find TeX Live Utility in the TeX folder under the /Applications folder; it's easier than using tlmgr from the command line.
 
@egreg ...and, if you want to do the same from within Windows, click on the Start Menu -> All Programs -> TeX Live 2011 -> TeX Live Manager.
 
@Werner It's probably the Perl-Tk GUI, isn't it?
 
@egreg YuP.
 
@egreg I think so. One of the great advantages of TL over MiKTeX is that a TL has a bundled Perl interpreter, so most of the Perl scripts run flawlessly. :)
@egreg: can I ask for enlightment? :)
 
9:52 PM
@PauloCereda Whenever you want!
 
@egreg I'm so sorry if it's a 'newbie' question: I'm looking at this awesome answer of yours: tex.stackexchange.com/a/22717 If it's not too much, could you tell me what \dimexpr-\height+\ht\strutbox\relax means? I'm trying to achieve the opposite, I mean, a \bottomincludeimage. :)
 
@PauloCereda It's not that a big deal. Just install, e.g., Strawberry Pearl.
 
@lockstep Ah, I didn't know about Strawberry Perl! Is there any difference from ActivePerl?
 
@PauloCereda If you don't rotate images, they will always have their reference point at their lower left corner. However there's Martin's adjustbox package that already does all kinds of alignments.
 
@PauloCereda Not sure, but in the times when one had to build biber, I seem to remember that Strawberry Pearl gave me less headaches. (But I prefer my current situation: biber and Perl included in TeX Live.)
 
10:01 PM
@egreg hm interesting! :) \adjustbox{valign=t}{...} worked. :)
 
I've deinstalled Strawberry Pearl only recently.
 
However, when you build a LaTeX box, for instance with \makebox or \raisebox, \height will always refer to the natural height of the box. So \raisebox{\dimexpr-\height+\ht\strutbox\relax}{...} pushes the reference point to the upper left corner, but then it raises the box so that it's as high as a parenthesis (\strutbox can be thought as high and deep as a parenthesis).
@PauloCereda I suggested that enhancement to Martin. :)
 
@PauloCereda Do you know what \dimexpr<stuff>\relax does?
 
@Werner No, only \relax. :(
 
@PauloCereda It's an extension provided by eTeX: it computes the "dimension expression" up to \relax and presents it to TeX as if it was a dimension parameter.
 
10:06 PM
@egreg Ah, so when the expansion reaches \relax, the value is simply presented! :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, and the \relax vanishes.
 
@egreg Oh my, I'm making progress! Thanks thanks thanks a lot!
 
@PauloCereda Yes, it does what the calc package does. For example, calc allows the following magic: \setlength{\mylen}{2pt+5cm}.
It does so by redefining \setlength (and friends) so that the second argument is interpreted as a \dimexpr<stuff>\relax.
 
@PauloCereda Be careful when you say "simply presented" to an algebraist. :)
 
@Werner Neat! :)
@egreg Oh sorry! :)
 
10:09 PM
@Werner calc's implementation without eTeX's \dimexpr was very clever (but the computation was not expandable).
 
@PauloCereda Yes, and since it's perfectly acceptable (yet superfluous) to say \setlength{\mylen}{\dimexpr 5pt\relax}, it even works for just setting and not calculating lengths.
 
@PauloCereda We have "simply presented" groups and modules, for instance. Classifying simply presented modules is usually far from simple. :)
 
@egreg My knowledge of "expandability" is very limited, I must admit. I know it is great to have expandable macros, since it can easily be used by other stuff, but the "which ones are" and "how to make them" is still tricky.
 
@Werner If you say \edef\x{\the\dimexpr 4pt+\textwidth\relax}, \x will expand to a <dimen> specification.
 
@egreg I'm scared to ask for more details of these groups. I had nightmares when tried to understand Galois groups. :P
 
10:12 PM
@egreg Ahh, yes.
 
Or even the naive set theory. :P
 
@PauloCereda Ah! Évariste!
 
@egreg The very same! :)
 
@PauloCereda Computer scientists often use so called Galois connections, that are modeled from the Galois correspondence between groups and fields.
Lagrange and Abel had in their hands the same concepts as Galois, but he succeded in weaving out the details.
 
@egreg Indeed! :) But I didn't go any further. My PhD was about mapping adaptive devices through Category theory. Unfortunately, I had some personal problems and had to give up. :(
 
10:21 PM
@PauloCereda Very interesting. Many CS use category theory.
 
@egreg It wasn't so common here. :) Now people seem to see the real potential. :)
 
@PauloCereda It's really a very general language.
 
@egreg Indeed. But it's very abstract. People here tend to be more experimental than theoretical. :P
 
@PauloCereda It used to be called abstract nonsense :)
 
@egreg LOL arrows here, arrows there... :P
When I mention theory, people twist their noses. :)
 
10:29 PM
@PauloCereda You might enjoy my notes on Stone duality. It's quite an old topic, but uses categories and topology in a very clever way to prove some difficult results on Boolean algebras.
 
@egreg Sure, I'd love to read them! :) Are they available for download?
 
@PauloCereda They should be on my (very poorly presented) home page.
 
@egreg molte grazie! :)
I'll read it. :)
@egreg would you like to redesign it? We could use sphinx. :)
I'm thinking of using it too for my stuff.
 
10:53 PM
@PauloCereda What's that?
 
@egreg sphinx is a documentation generator written in Python. It's very easy to use. You write your documents in the rst format, add links, images, sections, code snippets with syntax highlighting etc. Then you can output to several formats, including HTML. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'll give a look
Hi Martin!
 
Funny, I get the following warning with an empty MWE which only loads hyperref and caption:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\usepackage{caption}
\listfiles
\begin{document}
\end{document}
 
@egreg If you need any help, just tell me. :)
 
Package caption Warning: \caption will not be redefined since it's already
(caption)                redefined by a document class or package which is
(caption)                unknown to the caption package.
See the caption package documentation for explanation.
 
11:07 PM
@MartinScharrer caption should be loaded before hyperref
 
hyperref.sty 2011/12/04 v6.82m Hypertext links for LaTeX
caption.sty 2008/08/24 v3.1j Customizing captions (AR)
 
@MartinScharrer: no warnings here...
 
@egreg I know, same warning the other way around!
@wh1t3 Which version do you have?
 
A very old hyperref apparently :P
 
maybe the new hyperref version causes it.
 
11:09 PM
@MartinScharrer You have a very old caption!
 
hyperref.sty 2009/10/09 v6.79a Hypertext links for LaTeX
caption.sty 2009/10/09 v3.1k Customizing captions (AR)
gotta love TexLive on ubuntu, right....
 
hyperref.sty    2011/12/04 v6.82m
caption.sty    2011/11/10 v3.2e
 
@egreg Yes, I wondered about that myself.
:-D :
$ kpsewhich caption.sty
/home/martin/texmf/tex/latex/unsorted/caption.sty
Ok, there we are. An old local installation.
 
hah, well there you go :)
 
@MartinScharrer You bad boy!
 
11:11 PM
@egreg Mea culpa!
 
11:37 PM
Martin has accepted 29 questions in the last hour, bringing his accept rate to 84%. :-) (And I received the reputation for 3 accepts.)
Correction: Martin has accepted 24 questions.
 
@lockstep 60 rep more for me. :)
@MartinScharrer You might enjoy the answer I gave to ikks
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A: is it possible to have multiple paragraphs inside a multicolumn using xcolor or a replacement?

egregThe problem is in colortbl that's loaded when you load xcolor with the option table. This package wrongly redefines \multicolumn without the \long prefix. A patch is the following magic trick to be written in the preamble somewhere after loading xcolor (or colortbl): \toks0=\expandafter{\multic...

 
@egreg And 30 for Martin Scharrer. ;-)
 
@lockstep We're better than him, of course. :)
 
@egreg "A patch is the following magic trick..." - Fantastic. :)
I want my votes back, so I can spend them again. :D
 
@PauloCereda Just wait 20 minutes before upvoting it. :)
 
11:45 PM
@egreg I need to wait anyway. I'm already out of votes. :D
 
Actually, in the following question, I provided the "standard" solution, while Hendrik Vogt (with a little input from me) came up with a very interesting alternative. My bet would have been on Hendrik's answer being accepted.
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Q: How to prevent linebreaks after hyphen if word starts with hyphen?

Martin(Remark: Maybe this is a typically German problem, I'm not sure in which other languages that might be relevant) Sometimes there are words which start with a hyphen, as they are connected with a word used before, e. g. Werkstoffforschung und -entwicklung is a shorter (and I think more elegant) w...

@egreg That's what I thought, too. ;-)
 
@lockstep It's curious that this bug has not been discovered before, as many people use xcolor with the table option (for beamer, for example).
 
@egreg One can only guess that paragraph "breaks" are rather sparingly used in tables.
 
@lockstep Yes, I'd say that multiple paragraphs in a \multicolumn are not so common.
 

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