@RakeshJoshi there Pratyaksha Pramana is working. Sai is not mentioned in any Purana. But people are getting their wishes fulfilled after going to Sai temples.

see even if mentioned then also just name is not enough

further puranas can be interpolated too

Dwaraka Shankaracharya says no one must worship sai.

@TheDestroyer you know my opinion on sankaras right . swaroopanand is a waste. more of politician less of saint

@RakeshJoshi yes. But their wishes are fulfilled.

@TheDestroyer its mass following ... like how it works in vaishno devi or itirumala or sabarimala

@RakeshJoshi haha. I don't know much about him to comment.

@RakeshJoshi not simply mass following. Their wishes are fulfilled.

@Seeker

@RakeshJoshi but wishes also getting fulfilled for people. Else, their marketing won't work.

it will work yar .. in many temples its working

ajmer sharif .. haji ali , nizamuddin auliya etc

siddhi vinayak

@RakeshJoshi mosques?

yes people wish getting fulflled , majority of visitors are hindy

hindu

and sikh etc

Yes. Some idols have specialities such as Venkateswara of tirumala, kasi Vishwanatha..

before 20-30 years siddhi vinayak temple was not famous ..now suddenly it got famous cos of bollywood stars

@RakeshJoshi ok.

@RakeshJoshi yeah. It's not swayambhu too.

and many swayambhu temples are falsely created for money also by the priests

in past people were easy to fool.

@RakeshJoshi which temples?

any cylindrical stone could be mistaken as swayambhu lingam.

Haha.

you can go to a forest and in a remote jungle establish a stone and say that i have found old swayambhu linga

then find some scriptural references of that forest

These cases are rare now.

but in past was heavy

so hard to know which temple is what

another logic is why would god say that " i have appeared here in xyz place , start worshiping me "

What do you mean by that?

What will you get if you do that?

fame ...

that god chose only him for dream ...

he must be a noble man

further you will becone priest or trustee of that temple :)

No. It doesn't work like that. We can't play with God

hundred percent

it works

no one is going to do carbon dating of the idol

@RakeshJoshi carbon dating techniques are vague.

even if there no one is going to do it

It may work initially. But ultimately one wilk face their karma.

who cares

Puranas must be referred. Don't say everything is interpolated in puranas. Swayambhu idols have no prana pratishta ritual. So, if wishes are fulfilled, then idol must be swayambhu

there is no connection of wishes and idol

idols are not made to fulfil wishes

Wishes can be materialistic or spiritual

@RakeshJoshi why not?

it depends on your luck ..

many a times it is a co incidence

maybe when you grow older you will realize.

where do you live

Lol.what luck? So you think people are fools?

not fool but they can do anything for getting better results.

i can make a stone into temple and people will worship it and their wishes will coeme true

@RakeshJoshi it depends on sincerity

if 10 women are pregnant and i predict boy for everyone then certainlky 4-5 will have boys ... they will think my predictions r right

which cirty you from ?

@RakeshJoshi it doesn't work like that. Lord should come to Stone.

its brahminical business man ...

@RakeshJoshi i live in Vijayawada

you can make n number of idols and bring n numbers of idols

@RakeshJoshi you say all this because you don't believe in Puranas.

temple is not based on puranas

what about those priests workuing at tirumala ? why no spark is happening in their life

@RakeshJoshi they are doing their Dharma. No. There are also priests who realized.

@RakeshJoshi what spark?

but proportion is very less .. very less

kraanti . aandolan . evolution .

brilliance

We just don't know.

We may have many problems but they may not many problems.

i m not talking of problems but

evolution

enlightenment

i have been close to many priests ...

and many of my relatives are also there

A persona going to temple daily may think nothing is happening to him. But he doesn't think that no bad is happening to him.

one of rameshwaram temple priest contacts me regularly for mantra upasana

in TN most of temples will have story .. rama visited here ... lakshmana sat here... seetha bathed here etc...

every temple will have supernatural linkage with ancient deities

@RakeshJoshi you can't say that. They may achieve through jnana and bhakthi yoga

may remains may onlly ... rarely becomes have

@RakeshJoshi what supernatural? Don't bring western views.

in tirumala hills there is temlple japali hanuman they also claim rama and seta bath here

in north india most of temples have stories related to pandavas

@RakeshJoshi what's wrong with that?

not all the stories are true

making false claims r wrong

@RakeshJoshi we call it kalpa bheda.

you make a list of enlightned people or higher masters ...

and let me know how many were priests.

@RakeshJoshi a person with equanimity or a stitha prajna can be called as realized.

You can find it out by taking to them.

indian history has several names in the past no

from them you see how many were priests

instead priests should technically have more chances of spioritual progress than othes because they service god whole day and stay in divine atmsphere

but no

@RakeshJoshi how can you say they are not realized?

What's the Pramana for realization?

u not understanding my point

You are generalising. That's my point.

those men you can make a list there are plenty of them

akkalkot swami . tukaram . sripada .

what are your plans of shivaratri ?

abhishekam ? :)

No. Upavasam and Rudram chanting

no milk or water abhishek ?

Our house has no shiva Linga.

so will u do on it\\

Sorry no shiva Linga

ok you can do in temple as well

@RakeshJoshi yes. But temples will be full and it's not quite possible. Instead i can meditate on shiva for sometime and read his stories. I'm planning to start Upanishads.

oh ok

Where do you stay?

cchennai

How do you celebrate shiva ratri?

where in Chennai?

near chennai centra. (Parrys)

But Lingodbhava is best muhurta. Last time i felt divine mysterious energy during Lingodbhava.

I'm waiting for that time again.

cosmos is abundant of energy but we have to be active to recive that is important

Yes. Sometimes Shiva or lord shows his Grace easily.

maha nisheetha kaalam

but its not good that to worship alone in special days (like most people do )

upasana should be as regular as possible

Yes. Nishitha kala

I sing his songs while working

ok

Ok. Bye. Sleeping will talk tomorrow

Gn

Good night @TheDestroyer@RakeshJoshisir