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3:57 AM

@goldPseudo Shouldn't the tag excerpt for sunnah be improved a bit (the grammar isn't too good, and it's takes a while to understand)

Actually, I think that the "May peace and blessings" part should be shortened to "pbuh" (which I've seen commonly used)

Since it makes the tag confusing

I didn't know what sunnah was, so I checked the exceprt-- and at first, it looked like sunnah was the blessings of the Prophet

Never mind, I edited it

> The sunnah are the specific words, habits, practices, and silent approvals of The Prophet Muhammed (May peace and blessings be upon him)

It initially was

> The sunnah is The Prophet Muhammad's May peace and Blessings be Upon Him His specific words, habits, practices, and silent approvals.

i just did the same thing :p

(my edit failed. presumably because you were doing it at the same time.)

"The sunnah includes the specific words, habits, practices and silent approvals of the prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings be upon him."

Btw, what is "celle cellalhu"?

That works too

I'll try to improve the grammar in the other tags

i used a comma where you used parenthesis. almost exactly the same edit otherwise :P

quran uses the words "celle celaluhu". I fixed the rest, but I dunno what that is

looks turkish.

4:05 AM

Is it the same as pbuh?

"Subhana wa ta'aala" (swt) is the common Arabic when referring to Allah.

Ah

"May He be glorified and exalted"

So you feel that it is the same as swt?

i think so. i don't know Turkish, so i'm not certain.

but Subhana wa ta'aala would definitely fit in it's place there.

4:08 AM

Btw, what is shia-sunni for? Comparisons between the two sects?

i'm still not sure we need that one. we already have shia-islam and sunni.

The excerpt ought to say what it is to be used for, currently its ambiguous

@goldPseudo kk

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Q: Removing some tags

Going through tags, I noticed there are some tags that don't make much sense. I think we should list them here so that we can avoid using them and they'll be automatically deleted. I'll post a community wiki answer and everyone can edit it to add and remove tags.

Ahh, Ahmadi made the tag

can high-rep mods or diamond mods burninate tags? or do we just need to de-tag everything and wait for it to clean itself out?

there's a lot of tags that could stand cleanup.

4:12 AM

@goldPseudo Nope

Burnination requires a dev, or Shog9

a lot of them will be cleaned up once we start adding synonyms.

@goldPseudo I'm currently just improving excerpt grammar

@goldPseudo Yeah, once you have mods you can do tag merges

that'll help a lot too, God willing.

i'd help, but tag excerpts are really not my strong point. i'm naturally wordy, which is not a good fit for excerpts of any form.

@goldPseudo kk

I'm keeping their content, not adding anything, just fixing grammar

I don;t know enough to add my own content

Do you think the excerpt of non-muslim is a bit provocative?

> A person who rejects God or who hides, denies, or covers the truth.

It may be offensive to non-muslims

that's a good description of kafir

of course, non-muslim could refer to kafir, or mushrik, or ahl ul-kitab. the tag itself is ambiguous.

4:20 AM

I'm basically concerned about the fact that the tag wiki, which ought to be objective, has a point of view

i would just say it's a person who is not Muslim.

Remember, this is a site about Islam, not a site exclusively for Muslims

@goldPseudo COuld you edit it?

(I have to go through approval)

so do i.

Oh, damn :P

i'm barely halfway to tag wiki editing privileges.

only just got "see vote count" privileges. :p

4:22 AM

Oh right, everyone has to go through approval

THough at 2k you can approve others' suggestions

1500, i believe.

Hmm

Got mod privileges on Chem.SE before I reached that, so I wouldn't know.

we got five people above 1.5k. two people above 2k.

Yep

Pretty good

Btw, tagwikis should not be copied from WIkipedia (I see a lot of them like this on Islam.SE)

If you like being long-winded, improve the tag wikis. You can type all you want there :P

just in case anyone cares - celle celalahu is the turkish transliteration for jalla jalaluhu, which roughly translates to "great is His glory" or something like that

yeah i don't like the wikipedia copying for the tag entries

4:28 AM

@Ansari So could you replace it with the English version?

i may. i've only written one tag wiki so far.

yes but it's not necessary

SWT or subhanahu wa ta'ala works as well

or anything

or nothing :)

but yeah i'll take a look

which tag is this for again?

i'm not a fan of wikipedia copying, but that's just because i consider it sloppy.

@Ansari quran

SE is an English network, you should use English only

For this site arabic is ok as well--but English translations in parentheses can be useful

i'm trying to think up a meta post right now.

4:31 AM

got it

approved your edit - will append a few things

kk

No prob

I'm just fixing grammar, I don't know enough to add stuff :P

:) thanks for taking the time to do so

No prob

so when does school start

do you know which hostel you'll be in?

Nope

Not yet

4:33 AM

i see

i was in 13

when it was brand new

but it's been 5 years now since i left and i hear there are a bunch of changes

Hmm, freshers get only H1-H4 (except girls)

oh seriously? that's new

that's how it used to be a couple years before my batch :)

H1 is postgrad only though

Not anymore

oh hmm

Btw, do you use SO chat at all?

4:35 AM

the EP batch my year was interesting

oh

no not really

Your parent user is set to SO

Which is useless since there are nearly zero rooms on chat.SE related to SO

haha really? i thought they would be really busy and crowded

Setting the parent profile makes your chat profile link to it

yup just changed it

@Ansari chat.stackoverflow.com is crowded

But, one can make SO rooms on chat.stackexchange.com

4:37 AM

gotcha

The only use of the parent user is this: It links your chat to that profile, and it tells the system which profile should be checked for priliveges

interesting

For example, if you set it to a site where you have <20 rep, you can't chat without invitation

And if I set mine to a diffferent site, I lose mod tools till I change it back

Few more small differences, but only applicable to mods

i see

So now basically it's much easier for people to get to your islam.se profile from chat :)

That's all

4:39 AM

yeah makes sense since i'm not in any other rooms

even if i have a higher rep on SO

Chat rep is aggregate on chat.SE

(it is your SO rep on chat.SO)

Once you have 10k, you can handle certain chat flags

10k aggregate rep

@Ansari Btw, any idea how to make the tag non-muslim less subjective?

23 mins ago, by Manishearth

> A person who rejects God or who hides, denies, or covers the truth.

21 mins ago, by Manishearth

Remember, this is a site about Islam, not a site exclusively for Muslims

It's a bit provocative in its current form, I suggest something along the lines of:

> This tag is for questions about Islam's edicts regarding non-believers of Islam.

Or something like that

yeah that should be OK

let me make the edit

kk

It could be improved from that

@Ansari Can you make tagwiki edits without approval? I think you need 4k

yeah i just realized i couldn't

@Ershad will approve me when he's up i suppose

kk

Hmm, aside from the tags, most of the posts have grammar issues as well :\

Maybe I should fix that (because that, and asking questions, is the most that I can do on the main site)

4:48 AM

yeah a good number of them do at least

haha have at it :)

But you have to be careful about flooding the main page

side effect of having a target demographic in which English is often a second language.

exactly

I mean, if too many edits are made at once, the new questions get shifted down

@goldPseudo Yeah... Though sites like Italian and French don't really have the issue (then again, English is taught better there)

Aside from the fact that a major part of their audience is people with English as their first language studying French/Italian

French and Italian are also closer to English than the Arabic languages are.

(at the very least, they use the same alphabet.)

4:51 AM

Yep

It's not the same alphabet issue

The grammar structure is the same

not really. similar, but not the same at all.

English is Germanic, not Romantic.

Yeah, similar... sorry :P

I know

a lot of shared etymology though.

I've studied French myself, word-for-word translation doesn;t work :P

Languages like Hindi and Arabic have a radically different in terms of structure and etymology

God willing, if I'm active on this site for long enough, I'll learn how to write stuff at a reasonable pace.

I'm still on word zero of my meta post. Brain is not working today.

we need some form of guidelines for writing questions that are actually answerable.

4:59 AM

Hmm, I guess

been too many posts which just seem to imply or assume that all Muslims follow the same school, or agree with the same prohibitions.

Fish out examples of qs that are not answerable and work from those

@goldPseudo Then ask them to specify the sect

If it is a sect-specific belief

wouldn't help.

?

a lot of it, I feel, is coming from an outside perspective.

5:00 AM

kk

non-Muslims wouldn't know that such-and-such is a Hanafi-only view, or a Shia-view, or anything. they just know "Muslims believe this."

Ah, like a question I would ask, not knowing that there are different answers dep on sect

exactly.

That needs a meta post calling for suggestions, opinion, help

etc

the original version of the deaf muslim question was like that.

5:01 AM

MAKE YOUR BRAIN WORK!

:)

@goldPseudo Yeah, I know that not all muslim women wear burkha/etc

the question just assumed that the whole veil thing is a unanimous prohibition among all muslims everywhere. and didn't even bother to specify it, presumably because it's "obvious."

:P

@goldPseudo Yeah

reading the question, i could come up with three possible "reasons" off the top of my head that a Muslim woman would need special dispensation to do sign language.

so the question, as stated, was not really answerable. it was vague, but not really because the questioner just didn't know what sect to ask about.

even the "what is a beard" question could technically have different answers, depending on if the questioner is male or female.

(presumably male, because females are statistically less likely to ask about their beards...)

5:06 AM

:P

Salam Alaykum aall

wa alaykum assalam

wa 'alaykum assalaam

whats up Johnathan?

brain no work

5:15 AM

good.. let it rest..

i can't. this is important.

someone is wrong on the internet.

its is 8:15 A.M. here.. awake all night!!

Q: How do deaf Muslims interact while veiled?

:P

Ashu

hey guys... this question is sort of off topic, isnt it

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Signed languages depend not just on movements of the hands, but also on subtle facial cues. Direction of eye gaze, puffed cheeks, and mouth movements are all essential elements of a signed language. Given that, wearing a full facial veil (as is the practice of many Muslim women) can significantly...

fiqh

not anymore. i fixed it.

Ashu

5:19 AM

a veil is not compulsary though

Q: What does the Quran say about shrine worshiping?

that's why i fixed it.

the new wording is explicitly asking for point of view from those who do consider the veil compulsory.

which brings the scope down to a particular interpretation of the religion, which is definitely on-topic.

"For those Muslims who consider the veil to be obligatory, are there any special provisions which would allow deaf Muslim women to communicate effectively via sign language?"

well, ok

Assalamualikum,

wa 'alaykum assalaam

regarding this Q

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There is a large contrast in the way the Kuffar media have reacted to the removal of the shrines in Timbuktu and news orginsations in the Muslim world. What does the Quran say about the shrines in the city, and are our brothers right to remove them?

quran

i dont think we have the right to remove shrines do we?

5:26 AM

one could make an argument based on the hadiths where the prophet smashed the 360 idols.

but that was a special case.

Ashu

@goldPseudo yeah exactly

we have the permission to visit shrines if we do not perform idol worship. If we go there just with the intention of sight seeing

so breaking them down down not hold good

In Saudi in the last century they have removed many shrines.. before it becomes saudi arabia actually.. a scholar called mohammed ibn abdulwahhab...

Its good to make to earth level/

overall its not allowed to keep grave high, else decorative.

is it?

yup..

I remembered the words of prophet Abu bakr(peace be upon him) after the death of Prophet Muhammmed(peace be upon him)

If you were worship Prophet Muhammmed(peace be upon him) then he is not more and if you worship Allah(God) then Allah is yet there and Allah will be/

Shrines worship one of cancer among....now a days specially in asia

5:41 AM

I do not recall that abu bakr was prophet.. perhaps you meant Sahabi..

yup/ I just used translated word

Actually in Arab countries there are also people who worship shrines..

compare to here is less,

and there, commands having in the hands of rights peoples yet/ salfhis

here where?

A: Special worship on the night of mid-Sha'ban (also known as Shab-e-Barat)

Arab

you are from?

Just here case of yesterday OMG it burn my soul when I seen pupils in masjids and graveyards, celebrating...

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SHAB-E-BARAT: The month of Sha’ban is the eighth month of the Islamic lunar calendar. The fifteenth night of this month is known as Laylatul Bara’ah or Laylatun Nisfe min Sha’ban in the Arab world. In India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Afghanistan, etc., it is known as Shab-e-barat. THE BELIEVE...

5:52 AM

I am an arab..

from saudi

are you tourist?

what do you mean....?

I live here.. not a tourist

in profile, :P

loves flying around the world

:)

I was flight attendant..

me too but don't have any resources:(

what kind of job is this?

cabin crew inspector. o_0?

5:55 AM

mmmmm

we inspect cabin crew for safety

don't know how to explain it..

@HaLaBi in your words/ no need to do any extra preparation :P

but we are responsible for monitoring the crew performance and to make sure they follow safety policies and procedures...

@RobinHood I did not get you..

still.. didn't get you :D

you said don't know how to explain/ and I said in your simple words :D

there is no India in your list?

@HaLaBi yet didn't get you fully :D, anyway!

I have been to India like 1000000000 times...

five or six cities there..

there is india..!! first line...

oooh, I missed

6:01 AM

;)

@HaLaBi :P

how you felt in India?

Night?

How did I feel in india?? night??

I felt great.. I love india.. specially south..

:)

I thought its your sleeping time, so said night;)

Anyway!

Allah hafiz, nice time with you :)

6:17 AM

thanks bro

i am half a sleep

my head kept falling..

good night all..

Salam Alaykum

wa 'alaykum assalaam

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6:46 AM

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7:36 AM

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discussion

8:09 AM

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10:36 AM

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As new users are coming in we'll be seeing unclear questions or answers with mere opinion and no references. It would be very helpful if we can add two banners on the left side with the text How to ask a question? How to answer a question? There is plenty of white space on the left side and h...

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Al Ummat

12:11 PM

Asalamu wa alaikum

Ershad

1:11 PM

@AlUmmat Walaikkum Assalam

2:10 PM

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