Is you want to close?

closing is a fundamental part of the stackexchange model.

Ok, but at least wait three days

unless the post is offensive

make a comment

three days of bad answers is actively detrimental to the site.

if we don't foster an environment of good questions for good answers, how can we expect to build a library of high-quality questions and answers?

all your calls for tolerance are fine, but if you can't also answer that fundamental question, i don't see you getting anywhere.

I just thought of as feature that can resolve this

I don't know

just tell me what you think

the stackexchange model is built with a particular goal in mind. i'm all for tolerance, but tolerance that goes against our goal is detrimental.

@goldPseudo The downvotes makes everything

When I put the question

well my idea is that there be a feature that if a bad post is given, there will be the ability to hide it from public eyes until it is fixed

and see it is downvoted

and one or two comments that try to modify it like this

with a proposed method of refinement

I would be happy to refine

But If I see my question is immediately closed

And as much I modify it the people are not willing to open it again - based on the feelings

i believe if a post has three downvotes, it'll automatically be removed from the front page.

It would be the best decision for me to leave

(possibly six downvotes. can't remember the number)

Ok

No problem

but still open and can be modified

And this has a good message to the asker

But CLOSING only means a CLOSED and not democratic atmosphere

Voting = Democracy

Immediately Closing = Closed Society

what if we just changed the word "closed" to "frozen". would that make you happy?

:)

I am happy

Even when you made my questions closed

I tried to modify them

But I am thinking of many different users who will join the site in the future

Tolerance is a part of Islam

فارحم یرحم الله لک

@goldPseudo How did you find SE?

through jeff's blog back in the day.

I found stackoverflow after I found my answers there

and most of users find StackExchange when they find answers to a lot of their questions there

Agree?

that is (ideally) a major source of traffic.

@goldPseudo any comments?

And this not simply result in having more questions answered = more traffic?

stack exchange prides itself on not being yahoo answers.

answering low quality questions with low quality answers goes against the SE philosophy.

even if it ends up drawing more users.

what we want is a site to draw more experts.

quality over quantity.

In many cases you have no quality unless you have enough quantity

Imagine the current situation

We have few interested people

adding more uninterested people will not help that.

Can we provide good quality?

how do you get people interested?

Let a broader range of questions

to be asked

to be answered

and then

the people who find their answers right here

will be interested to joing

to ask questions

perhaps not good questions just when they are arrived

But their questions should not be immediately closed

they should be tolerated

if experts see the front page of the site, and see a bunch of low-quality questions, will they be interested to stay?

and they wil soon learn how to treat good

they are the ones we want to attract.

there will be no shortage of regular users asking questions.

what we want, and what the SE model is effectively selling, is expert answers to the questions.

which means attracting experts.

If we let the early arrived users learn how to treat

They would be experts after a while

and we will always have

90% people who know how to ask

and 10% newly joint users that perhaps don't know

So in the first page of site

There would be 90% good questions

And an expert is tolerate enough to ignore that 10% bad question

Don't be worried so much

The people will learn if we attack their posts

But would definitely better learn if we just comment them how to modify their posts

in my experience, people are unlikely to modify their posts if they get answers.

even bad answers.

and bad answers to a bad question does not help the site, nor does it help attract experts.

If they are temporary users

they will leave and there would be nothing offensive anymore

but if they are permanent

they will learn

and modify

after they see some downvotes is decreasing their reputation

Don't they?

in my experience, no.

too many people don't understand the SE model.

and coddling them by not applying the SE model regularly does not help them learn that.

closing is a fundamental part of the model.

Closing is a fundamental option, but the last!

no, deleting is the last.

My problem is that here is the first!

Ok

I have not seen my posts deleted by other people yet

But there are many options before it

downvote

comment

edit

Don't think these are better options than closing?

of course they are.

but how many people use those either?

there are different tools for different purposes.

:-)

closing is a tool for stopping people from answering the question.

neither downvoting nor commenting prevents answers.

if a question is fundamentally a bad fit for the site, then why should it be open to answers?

that's the question you need to answer.

otherwise you're just going around in circle.s.

if a question is off-topic, then allowing off-topic answers doesn't help the site.

if a question is non-constructive, then allowing non-constructive answers doesn't help the site.

Is it off-topic, offensive, non-constructive?

would not be useful to the others?

Is downvoted?

non-constructive.

Is voted closed by many people?

list questions do not work well with the stack exchange model.

List of how many?

this is strongly substantiated by most sites on the network.

2?

1 ?

100?

How many perfect online quran dictionaries are there?

you'll notice i linked you to a meta post.

Yes

I saw

in which i actively attempted to get a consensus on handling such questions.

in a more tolerant fashion.

you'll also notice that there was hardy any such consensus reached.

But hardly fair comparison

and that the predominant opinion was that, yes, such questions are not constructive.

recommending book is different from asking an online dictionary

barely.

the type of question is the same, regardless of what is being requested.

It would happen to any muslim that needs an online dictionary for Quran

He will google

If he finds it on our website

and how useful will it be to future users?

there would be possibility that he would join

when the site you linked is shut down for whatever reason?

or when a better site comes along, but it doesn't have any upvotes.

You are a stackoverflow user

yes i am.

so it's strange from someone like you to ask such a question

Because

my questions are rhetorical.

for instance consider a library

these are questions that you should be asking yourself.

it's very fastly updated

and each version may provide different solutions

it means that users should not ask or answer any question about libraries because they would be soon updated?

who would update it here? the community?

the community which we barely have, who at best seem to consider such questions non-constructive?

We will have the community

If we provide some place

that suits more people

You see

you are talking about the quantity now

You are absolutely true

the quality needs quantity also

So if you close many questions because they are not the highest quality

or the best suited the site

It would be no quantity

and so no quality in the future

@HosamAly Assalamu Alaykum

i don't close questions because they are not the highest quality. i doubt anybody here does.

questions that are closed are closed because they are fundamentally poor fits for the site.

To be honest, you are very optimistic

I have just translated and put question of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and it's still closed!

is the question useful? is it constructive? is it on-topic?

it's useful because other people will learn a new important Hadith if you permit it's answered

is it a practical, answerable question based on an actual problem that you face?

Ok

Put 10 restrictions

and then you will have rarely an accepted question

these are not my restrictions. these are the precepts upon which the Stack Exchange model is built.

laws are correct

But we judge

we can think very optimistic

then rarely a question in SE will remain

Have you seen so many problems in Stackoverflow that are really local and narrow but they are patiently answered by the other people?

we are not stackoverflow.

They can also easily judge: This is too local and close it

Is not stackoverflow on the base of SE?

we need rules and guidelines that work for our community.

Ok

that's why the SE team has left site policy to the community.

But I see most of the rules are the same with SO

i'm sure most of the questions on judaism.SE would be shut down hard on stackoverflow.

(disregarding the fact that judaism would be horrendously off-topic there)

however, they made it work somehow.

you can argue about tolerance all you want, but that won't change a thing.

what you need to do is come up with a model.

if you want tolerance, you need to find a way to make tolerance work with the SE model.

you need to come up with a way to achieve your goals that also gives the community a library of high-quality questions and answers.

otherwise, you are just going in circles.

@Ali Walikumu assalam

stack exchange is a business. that business sells a brand that can be associated with expert answers to expert questions.

if we can get expert answers to expert questions, without resorting to close votes, awesome.

but just saying that's what you want is not enough. you need a plan to make it work.

and then you need to convince the community that that plan is the best option.

or at least a viable one.

and ultimately, mods can't do anything special, really, when it comes to questions. anyone with enough rep can vote to close, open, delete, undelete, etc. any question.

right now, you can't even convince only the small handful of people in chat right now.

I am not trying to convince you

If you have a bit increased tolerance to the posts

Would be enough to me

i spent a month or two actively not closing posts that i felt were terrible fits for the site, just to see if the community could handle them by itself (or at least flag those that needed moderator attention).

they couldn't.

there's just not enough active users with high enough rep to moderate the site themselves.

If you allow me @Ali (especially since you called me), I do think that some posts deserve more flexibility (and I'm showing this in my comments). However, many of your posts won't receive the same attention.

Simply put, you're too argumentative. I believe you should look for a forum in which you can have a discussion about the topics you wish.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing BTW, nor am I saying it's a good thing. Just characterizing your discussions. You try to persuade people with your beliefs, but such discussions don't really fit here.

If you really want to conform to the SE model, you'd need to change the way you're used to. For example, my answer to your Prophet salutation question does not match your view. You may ask about it in a comment, or request a citation of a reference. You may also reject it citing your reference, but you'd better write another answer in this case, and let the community decide.

However, if the discussion is more than 2 replies in length, then it's probably moving into a topic that was not at the core of the question, or the question itself needs to be divided into multiple questions. In this case, just ask another specific question targeting this topic, and we'll each cite our references there. This is how SE works: Qs and As.

@HosamAly Thanks brother so much

I saw your answer

and I praised your view of thinking in most of it

and for one item

I taught maybe there are other things to think about

You referred to a Fatwa

As you know there are many Fatwas

By many scholars

for what it's worth, i closed the "dictionary" question only after it had already garnered multiple close votes and non-constructive (i.e. they belonged on meta) comments.

So I think referring to some scholar's Fatwa may not be an excellent idea when the audience are so broad

@goldPseudo If you let the community of 5 people voted and closed that post, it would be so much better for me

:)

If you were a bit more patient probably it would happen

if we had enough regular active users with close privilege, i would've.

@goldPseudo we have

my other question is still closed with 5 votes

@HosamAly Why didn't you make it reopen? I saw you said it seems no problem anymore

before that, i can't even remember the last time i've seen a post closed with five votes.

@goldPseudo :-)

Interesting

@Ali I'm only referring to my answer as an example. Don't take it literally.

OK, I accept

And I don't have enough permissions to open or close

The original question was really off-topic

But I tried my best to fit it to SE

@HosamAly I mean a single vote for reopen

It would be so good!

And @goldPseudo is right. We don't have enough admins. And even if we did, many people might not have enough time for that.

I accepted my original post was not good at all

I don't have enough reputation to even cast a vote.

Really?

@HosamAly what kind of vote?

So tell me your answers and I will upvote all :)

are you referring to close or reopen vote?

@Ali serial upvoting goes against our site policy, and is also automatically reversed in many cases. You should vote on quality of question or answer, not on the person.

500 rep needed for a close/reopen vote.

@ashes999 I was just kidding :-) don't take it serious

if you really like a user's answer, you can totally give him a bounty.

(even if it's someone else's question)

@Ali it is actually something serious. There are a number of ways people can (and have, in the past) try to undermine or "cheat" the system. This is a more harmless example.

@AlUmmat both

@ashes999 Yes I know, just making a lot of accounts and upvoting like spider!

I said I was kidding, I did n't propose serial upvoting seriously

@HosamAly You have 12.3 K reputation in SO!

How much here?

It does not show

<400

Like me :-)

But I could vote reopening my question

@AlUmmat So you still feel that question needs to be closed? :-)

@Ali :)

@HosamAly I like your smile so much

no

الحمد لله

:-) I am so happy!

@HosamAly It's a nice photo

I think @goldPseudo is also smiling in his picture but the half of face is hidden!

more of a smirk.

:ي

@Ali thanks

:D

does anyone know what linked in is about?

@AlUmmat It's a professional society

A social network, just like facebook

But the people are connected through their profession, not friendship

This is one line idea behind it

@HosamAly Congratulations for 400!

I just upvoted your answer about Kufr of Muslism

Please note my question is about a group of muslims, not a single muslim, to be told Kafir